World Baseball...Classic?
When I think of the word, "classic", I think of something that's been around for a long time and has great significance. I know classic can also mean that something belongs in the highest rank or class, but when used in a sports context, it usually means something, well, larger. Obviously the first thought that comes to mind is the fall classic.
So when Bud Selig and company got together and dreamed up the World Baseball Classic, I wondered, what makes this so classic?
Honestly, it might sound pessimistic, but I'm really not that excited about this tournament. I'm more afraid of it than anything. The A's have Esteban Loaiza, Kirk Saarloos, Huston Street and Eric Chavez listed on the current rosters. In addition, Danny Haren is listed for both the Netherlands AND the United States. Marco Scutaro is also listed on the roster for both Italy and Venezuela.
Haren has already stated in a recent Susan Slusser article that he will not be participating in the event because he wants to do the prudent thing and concentrate on getting ready for the 2006 season. I wish the rest of the A's players will do the same. Let A-Fraud go play third base. Let someone else pitch for the Dutch team than Saarloos. Leave our closer free to come to Phoenix.
Yes, I know it's good exposure for the game around the world and it would be very exciting to see a U.S. and Dominican Republic matchup, but honestly, I don't care who wins this tournament. Al Michaels won't be screaming "Do you believe in miracles? YESSSS!" at the end of this tournament (unless maybe the Chinese team wins).
So I approach this "classic" with trepidation. I hope Chavez never sees the field. I hope Scot Shields, Chad Cordero and Brad Lidge keep Street in the pen. The A's may have more depth than in seasons past, but they don't need to start off the season with their five-time gold glover sidelined, their closer on the DL and their new starting pitcher on ice. On the other hand, maybe that level of competition would mean Chavy would get his early season struggles out of the way in the tournament? Maybe Street gets a new level of confidence facing a team like the Dominican Republic? And maybe Kirk Saarloos will learn to be an ace due to his place on the Netherlands team? Yeah, that's the ticket.
I wanted to get a sense whether I was alone in this feeling about the WBC. Or if AN feels the same way. I added a front page poll for you to weigh in.
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I agree with you
by oaklandbbfan on Jan 30, 2006 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's not that big
by alox on Jan 30, 2006 11:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is simply not true
That is the reason for concern.
by SeanR on Jan 30, 2006 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't believe they'll train more than a week.
by Ozzz on Jan 30, 2006 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Intensity
by Alon on Jan 30, 2006 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mixed metaphor
by monkeyball on Jan 31, 2006 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do it at the end of the season....
Better still, let an important player or two go down with a season ending injury. That'll end the WBC in a hurry.
by Rob on Jan 30, 2006 11:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited
I hear what you're saying Blez about guys getting hurt or tired or whatever, but I think that every other team is risking just as much as, if not more, than the A's by having their guys out there this spring.
When I think of the WBC I think of David Ortiz and Miggy at the All-Star HR contest 2 years ago. I know that the HR Contest is just another contrived money making event, but the passion/excitement that those two guys (with DOrtiz as towel boy/flag waver) brought to that event is what makes me look forward to the WBC. I hope the US loses in the round robin and we get to see teams that actually care about it battle it out. Cuba, the DR, Puerto Rico, Japan, Korea, even CA, those guys are interesting to me.
by david32 on Jan 30, 2006 11:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait for Japan to woop up on everyone.
by capper3 on Jan 30, 2006 11:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Are all the players in the WBC on pitch counts?
by Instant Replay Umpire on Jan 30, 2006 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even Cuba?
This is the weirdest rule on earth.
by Instant Replay Umpire on Jan 30, 2006 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have to be fair ...
by devo on Jan 31, 2006 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which countries are in this thing?
If there has to be an event like this, they should make it a baseball World Cup, and have it every four years with only the top 12 nations competing.
by Lefty on Jan 30, 2006 11:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
There is already a World Cup in baseball
by elcroata on Jan 30, 2006 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Dutch have played baseball for a long time.
by Ozzz on Jan 30, 2006 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't care at all
by rich on Jan 30, 2006 11:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100% blez.
Back on the East Coast this thing is getting 0 play or interest.
by bigelephant on Jan 30, 2006 11:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
by Ozzz on Jan 30, 2006 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This may be Miggy's only chance....
by Rob on Jan 30, 2006 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more
Incompetence, cronyism, lack of long-term real-world planning -- heckuva job, Buddy.
by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2006 12:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I Live in San Diego...
At Petco Park, ticket prices (last I checked, when they first went on sales) ranged from $75 to $135 and you had to buy tickets to the two semi-final games and the finals. For glorified spring training games? Please.
I don't want any A's involved in this mess and believe me, as an American, I won't think less of any player who doesn't want to play.
by Aaron C on Jan 30, 2006 12:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ticket prices for all three games
by Aaron C on Jan 30, 2006 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really care that much
But on the other hand, I agree that maybe it is something that should be played at the end of the season. Why risk the health of any of the players before the season starts. I would absolutely hate to see someone hurt in this game and not be able to start the regular season.
But if they approach it like a Spring Training game and just take it all lightly, then it will probably be ok.
Personally, I would rather them NOT play this series, but since they are, I will most likely watch it.
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Jan 30, 2006 12:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The reason it's before the season...
It'd be nice if they did this because they wanted the sport to thrive in Namibia, but the reality is it's an entirely political move aimed at about one hundred Olympic officials.
by Ozzz on Jan 30, 2006 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno....
by 510inDenver on Jan 30, 2006 12:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great Idea for a few reasons / bad idea for a few
- Calling the MLB championship 'the World Series' is BS...they don't even invite teams in other countries to participate. (Oh, except Toronto). I've always wished our champion could/would face Cuba's or Japan's or enter another tournament, or that they would at least change the name. The WBC will at least be a true international championship.
- Eventually the World Baseball Classic could become as important, even worldwide, as the World Cup. The World Cup (in soccer) is my favorite sporting event of all. Partly because every country in the world takes it so seriously, partly because it only happens every four years which cranks up the tension exponentially, and partly because the US team is a rising underdog that will eventually shock one of the dominant sides and therefore the world and make the final. Because of this, I can totally relate to how Japanese and Cubans and others will feel about their chance to knock off the US in the WBC. And hopefully the US will take seriously the opportunity to defend our place in baseball and the title of our so-called 'World' Series. Hopefully, the WBC will only take place every four years (does anyone know?)
- We need to back it up. If we're going to call our championship the world series and if we think the US produces the best baseball players in the world, we need to field a team with the talent and the desire to go out there and win it. All our talk is a lot of hot air if there is no true international championship at the highest level. Nothing in pro sports disappoints me more than seeing highly paid professional athletes skip international competitions like the Olympics. They'll play for the dollars but not for their country. Which am I to think: they're greedy, lazy, xenophobic, scared to travel, etc? (Why do we look up to these people again?)
- Having it right before the season. This is really the only time that is realistic, except maybe smack in the middle of winter, like Dec or Jan. Nobody could be convinced to participate at the end of a grueling 162 game season. However, this is the only time it can be held until it gains more prestige. The concern over injury is overblown. This year it seems higher than it will in the future, because this event is something new. But in soccer, players go 100% both for their club sides and their national sides. Doing anything else would be unimagineable. There is friction between the national team management and the club management over access to the players, but they work it out because it's worth it. I know it's not going to be this way at first, but I would like to see the day when every body expects their favorite players to go 100% both for their MLB team and their national team. Most smart MLB players today stay in shape throughout the offseason. Going a little harder than spring training a little bit sooner than most years, shouldn't be that big of an adjustment. We lost Ellis for the year in a spring training game in '04. This is not that different. I don't hear anybody calling for the cancellation of spring training.
- So far, it seems pretty disorganized. All this nonsense about people being signed up for countries they've never been to. If it's not done right, it'll be a long time before people will give an event like this another chance.
by blueconversechucks on Jan 30, 2006 12:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think the timing of it
Then you also have so many weather concerns unless you decide to do it strictly in warm weather climates.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 30, 2006 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Two options:
- Use the WBC to replace the Al-Star weekend, which, let's face it, nobody really cares much about anyway. "Go American League!" = not heard yelled very often.
- Run it during the playoffs, with players from teams not competing, or right after the World Series, when the players have nothing to do anyhow.
by Ozzz on Jan 30, 2006 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
okay, good
by Poppy on Jan 30, 2006 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dammit
I'm having serious problems with reply placement this week... :(
by Poppy on Jan 30, 2006 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"snarkdar"?
by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2006 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tokyo, Orlando, Scottsdale, San Juan, San Diego
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jan 30, 2006 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Cuba vs DR
Who makes the money here? MLB? Do the players get extra incentive dollars for it? I would love to hear that proceeds go to support kids baseball training programs in the innercity and developing countries.
by LongTimeFan on Jan 30, 2006 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
World Series
The reason MLB can rightfully call their championship the World Series is that players from any nation can play MLB without restriction. The best players from every baseball playing nation are represented without restriction from MLB.
WBC will be fun. I have my tickets for the last three games and just going to enjoy a long weekend in San Diego with good weather, great baseball players and what I am sure will be a much more interesting/exciting baseball atmosphere than I will get this side of October.
by Jimmie Foxx on Jan 30, 2006 12:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"players from any nation...
Anyway, I'm excited about the prospect of the WBC, but I'll reserve judgement until I actually see it. It's sort of like Olympic baseball, it was hard to get excited about it unless you got to know the players a bit, which I never did because they only showed highlights of the games.
If the players are playing to win, then it'll be interesting to me. If they take it like spring training, then it won't. I went to spring training a few years ago and, frankly, found it somewhat boring. If the players and managers aren't playing %100 to win, then why should I care about the outcome? I understand they need ST to get in shape for the season, but I don't. I'm ready to go from game 1 of the regular season! As for spring training - meh.
by McFood on Jan 30, 2006 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not buying it either
I like that there's a big step taken towards a REAL World Series, and I think that star players should participate. Baseball has a real uphill battle to become a worldwide sport and something like this can only help.
I don't have the expectation that the first run needs to be breathlessly anticipated to be a success. They do, after all, have to balance out the injury concerns.
by achiappanza on Jan 30, 2006 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, also stupid.
by achiappanza on Feb 2, 2006 7:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think WBC is good
by niallmack on Jan 30, 2006 1:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If improving the sport in other countries was..
This is really just a little muscle-flexing for the Olympics - that's why it had to happen pre-season rather than post, and is being so rushed.
Which is a shame - the sport could use a world-wide approach. For example, Australia doesn't even have a national league anymore (Gee thanks, Dave Nilsson), and Japanese baseball is in tatters in every way except the product on the field.
MLB could do a lot more to help those nations, but that's not really their main concern.
by Ozzz on Jan 30, 2006 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The World Series
Another reason it i literally a World Series is because players are from all over the world. Even if we don't have actual countries participating we do have the best players in the world.
Chances are that if you are a great baseball player anywhere in the world you will end playing in the MLB.
MLB is similar to the NBA in that respect.
by BashBrothers89 on Jan 30, 2006 1:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WBC
It's one of those ideas that sounds good in theory, but isn't practical.
by johnspaz7 on Jan 30, 2006 1:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blez you just don't get it do you?
by Bearcat on Jan 30, 2006 1:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hey
by rich on Jan 30, 2006 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This really cracks me up....
A. The owners aren't rich already? And they aren't trying to become richer?
B. All owners will charge just as much as they can for food, beer, etc. so long as folks like us will pay for it.
Come on.
by EastCoastA on Jan 30, 2006 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of you guys need a humor transplant.
by Ozzz on Jan 30, 2006 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Money making venures such as what?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 30, 2006 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mexico city
by Bearcat on Jan 30, 2006 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I just don't know...
The most recurring theme around here is "don't want to see any of our guys getting hurt". Well, nobody does, whether it's WBC, spring training, MLB game or carrying deer meet. The question that troubles me, though, is how much right do we have to call these guys "ours". Do they belong more to their employer than they do to their country?
There are countries where success does not come in abundance, where a mere chance to compete with a giant can be an inspiration to many. Why does everybody pose a question "Is it really a good marketing move?" and nobody says "Great, a chance for all those Dominicans to make their families and friends proud"?
Imagine for a second if it were the other way around. You follow the Huston Streets and Daric Bartons for years and just as they come into their prime they leave to play baseball in, say, Turkey. You never see them play live anymore. Couple that with the imaginative situation that USA is really only good in baseball, no other sport. Wouldn't you be more excited about a chance to get a great team together and let them play? Honestly?
As for the Classic itself, I don't think the format and the timing are ideal. But you know what, "Lefty"? There is a World Cup, it's just that MLB doesn't manage to notice it. Sure MLB teams pay a lot of money for their players to perform for them. But guess what? Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Manchester United do, too, and the mere idea of Ronaldo, Beckham or Ballack skipping a World Cup to avoid injury is hillarious.
I will never forget a summer of 1992. Barcelona, the basketball finals, Dream Team (the real one) and Croatia in the finals. There was not a soul on the street, everybody and I mean everybody was watching. Those were the times of hardship most of you can luckily not even imagine. Yet for couple of hours, that little country was being able to be proud, to enjoy once again all our players that grew up in our neighbourhoods, went to our schools, played in our local teams and then went on to play abroad. Heck, we even led for 17 seconds.
So the concern about injuries is the same from this side. Bud Selig gets about the same amount of respect around here as Bud Light does. This we have in common. But I'm just not sure if we, the "Team Fans" have the exclusive right to "our" players.
Sorry for the length and I hope you can tolerate a slightly different view on this topic.
by elcroata on Jan 30, 2006 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
since you bring it up ...
(And, yes, I do love and defend the founding and operational principles of the U.S.A. ... but, honestly, when it comes to the international stage, isn't the US team essentially [and in more than just an eponymous way] the Yankees?)
by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2006 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you opposed to the olympics as well,
I agree with you on the nationalism thing, but still find the idea of representing a place where one grew up and actually knows something more than a local hotel very heartwarming.
by elcroata on Jan 30, 2006 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good point ...
I do have to confess, though, that the US-USSR hockey game in '80 was -- and remains in replay -- astounding drama.
by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2006 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I should also add...
Nowadays all you get is twenty minutes about how little Peggy had to trudge to her gymnastics workout in six inches of snow each morning, and once got dumped by her boyfriend, and now she's going for gold - along with 12 seconds of highlights from the final she never made it to.
I remember when I was ten years old, sitting on the couch with my dad watching the Olympic diving finals. We had no idea who the hell was in it, we didn't have any national representative in the contest, yet the drama of watching the entire event unfold in front of us was awesome.
I tend to think my dad just liked seeing slender women in tight swimsuits, but still... You don't get that anymore, and it ends up making the Games a complete wash to anyone but the most hardcore plastic flag-waving SUV driver.
by Ozzz on Jan 30, 2006 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hardcore plastic flag-waving SUV driver
by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2006 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, my college roommate...
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 30, 2006 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
<Annika sorenstam venereal disease>
by monkeyball on Jan 31, 2006 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Way to slam everybody who gets an...
That view is cynical crap.
How the hell can you enjoy baseball, you can make the same argument about it, too!
by McFood on Jan 30, 2006 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"the same argument"
by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2006 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, ballplayers were more slender...
by McFood on Jan 30, 2006 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
color film?!?
by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2006 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, if you like the 'emotional tales'...
by Ozzz on Jan 31, 2006 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a lot of "embellishment"...
Does "Scooter" ring a bell?
by McFood on Jan 31, 2006 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You had to ruin all of our good time, didn't you?
dammit!
gosh!!!!
what's wrong with people?!!??!?!?!?
by devo on Jan 31, 2006 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Carrying Deer Meet
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Jan 30, 2006 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask the Rockies' Clint Barmes...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jan 30, 2006 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or Larry Walker ...
by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2006 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of injuries
by elcroata on Jan 30, 2006 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
new sig line
by monkeyball on Jan 31, 2006 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball World Cup
MLB could play only a half season once every four years, then July-September have best-of-nine series with, say, the top 16 qualifiers in an international play-off. I can't see something like that flying with the MLB owners for numerous reasons, but seing the true elite of the Dominican Republic squaring off in a series against the best of Japan, in mid-season form, would be awesome!
by Lefty on Jan 30, 2006 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From Mychael Urban's most recent mailbag
In his words, "I just want to make sure I'm fresh and ready to peak when the season starts. This could be a huge year for us, and I want to make sure I put all of my focus into being the best I can be for the A's."
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 30, 2006 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My God, if BaZi gets it...
by bigelephant on Jan 30, 2006 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you mean
I don't know if you intended it that way but I feel that your statement suggests a hostility for players who do opt to play, and that makes me extremely uncomfortable. Your opinion of the WBC is simply that -- it's your opinion. Maybe you don't get it. And you know what? That's fine. But what are you suggesting about players who don't "get" your perspective?
by hunger on Jan 30, 2006 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
here's to "getting it"
furthermore, i don't spend enough time or energy becoming "hostile" about this subject.
by bigelephant on Jan 30, 2006 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez
As for hostility: honestly, I didn't mean to point fingers. I just feared that was something Blez was expressing.
by hunger on Jan 30, 2006 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
woah
by hunger on Jan 30, 2006 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my answers:
point two: yes! everyone likes to "get it".
by bigelephant on Jan 31, 2006 5:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect
I'm excited about it. I plan to go and I cannot wait to see Team USA, Team DR, Team Cuba, Team Japan and the rest face off ... It'll be awesome.
by devo on Jan 30, 2006 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm dutch...
by R14 on Jan 30, 2006 2:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Mark Cuban on this one...
If they want a competitive international tournament, either follow the NHL's Olympic model and stop the season for a couple of weeks, or do it smack in the middle of the offseason.
by deadteddy8 on Jan 30, 2006 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Because this is America...
by McFood on Jan 30, 2006 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
apart from...
by Poppy on Jan 30, 2006 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And, according to my Yahoo inbox...
Thank goodness I've saved so much from the 900 re-motgaging my home offers that I can afford them!
by McFood on Jan 30, 2006 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remortgaged my <CENSORED>
by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2006 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Couldnt disgaree more...
I hope Chavez sees the field every game and Street is in to close the Champ game..Cant think if a better way to get big game exerience.
I dont get the people who say people dont care...Maybe A's fans who dont want guys to get hurt, sure....but the tickets have sold well and this tournament is huge in latin America....DR winning this would be huge for their country...Hell, Abreu winning the Home Run was ENORMOUS in Venezuela and that is the freaking Home Run Derby. I think people here are looking at it way way too short sighted...This means a lot to a lot of people outside the US....and I think some great games in the Semis could create a lot of rivalries than can be re-lit every year in March.
I cant wait and have my tickets already. A hell of a lot more fun than watching Spring Training.
by OaktownPower on Jan 30, 2006 3:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I don't mean this in a rude way, but I'm going to echo what OP said and say that I think some of the critics fail to recognize how special this can be for baseball fans living in other countries, or for fans who have immigrated to the US. Fact of the matter, baseball is an extremely international sport and I don't think it always gets that recognition. Sure, there are international players in the major leagues, but there's so much going on outside of that.
Look, I'm not a huge fan of country vs country sports competitions, but I do really like the idea of promoting the sport and just giving these countries and their players some recognition. That's pretty much the bottom line, the way I look at it.
by hunger on Jan 30, 2006 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Time will tell
by sslinger on Jan 30, 2006 3:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just like
by doublehustle22 on Jan 30, 2006 3:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Would it be wrong...
Or would I just end up on some government watch list?
by Mission1929 on Jan 30, 2006 3:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
or, South Africa?
by LongTimeFan on Jan 30, 2006 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just have to see how it goes...
I would prefer it in November, however, after the playoffs. MLB players not in the playoffs would be able to have some times with their teams to practice and stay loose.
I think having it every other year (a la the Ryder Cup) or every four years (Olympics, World Cup) or every three years (just to be different) would help keep it fresh.
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jan 30, 2006 3:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You Might As Well Enjoy It
I bought my tickets to the Finals/Semis in SD the day they went on sale. I wish I could attend the 1st and 2nd round games in Arizona and Anaheim but I don't have enough vacation days.(Obviously, I'm saving the vacation days for October, and everyone on this site knows why.)
TWO REASONS WHY THIS WILL BE THE BEST SPORTING EVENT OF 2006 THAT DOESN'T FALL IN THE MONTH OF OCTOBER:
- I can't really imagine a more intense spectator experience than attending the USA v. Mexico match-up in SCOTTSDALE, ARIZONA. The historical path of baseball, the shifting demographics of our nation (not to mention the distribution of wealth in and around Scottsdale, AZ) is going to make this game ESPN Classic worthy. When your grandkids are in college pursuing soft science degrees they will write their senior theses on this game.
- When my friends and I drive down to San Diego for the March 15-17 Semis and Finals, we will be tailgating all day Saturday. Needless to say, we will be holding an INTERNATIONAL TOURNAMENT OF DRINKING GAMES before and in-between all SemiFinal Round Match-Ups. Look for my diary posted early March urging you to contact us. We already have a lot of participants eager to drink for the American Team and the Mexican Team. We are heavily recruiting anyone looking to represent any other potential country/team. Games will consist of Flip Cup, Pong, plus games not native to the USA. All ideas welcome.
by deerock on Jan 30, 2006 3:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE.
by baseballgirl on Jan 30, 2006 4:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't hate the players...
Oh!
Nevermind.
by McFood on Jan 30, 2006 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's OK with me.
And we'll get to watch extra baseball games.....They will be televised won't they?
by AthleticRaider on Jan 30, 2006 5:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Classic"
by secret ASian man on Jan 30, 2006 6:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Because
by OaktownTribesman on Jan 31, 2006 8:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Step back from short-term A's fandom...
by politic ball on Jan 30, 2006 6:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like it.
Does the WBC have flaws? Definitely. There's certainly some questions about the schedule's, the US government's attempt to butt in about Cuba was unpleasant, and stuff like the Haren situation creates eye-rolling.
And yeah, MLB doesn't have altruistic purposes with this, though I personally support a drastic shove to try and get baseball to remain in the Olympics. I think baseball in the Olympics is a great thing, and it's refreshing to give young, talented players who haven't been jaded into what we see on the major-league level get to shine on such a huge stage. Young guys who give a glimpse at the future, the Sheets and Oswalts and Kotsays of the world.
Despite problems, I think the WBC is a good thing and given the degradation of the ASG, having a more positive, interesting exhibition game (or games, in this case) to look forward to is FUN.
Guys can get hurt, sure. But they certainly can at Spring Training. We lost Ellis that way, Crosby got that HBP, tons of others have been injured there... going to ST instead isn't a cure all.
And yeah, they may have to start prepping earlier, but these are MLB players. They're still in shape in the offseason and I doubt they'll all be tiptop going into it. If players have a problem dealing with the long season, the MLB crackdown on amphetamines will have a HELL of a lot more to do with it than a preseason exhibition.
And having it in ST makes more sense than the ASG's timing. The ghost of Fosse's shoulder still hangs over home plate there, I'd rather have this game when players still have time to recover from an injury rather than have it in the middle of the pennant race. Chavez will tear up his shoulder no matter what we do -- and hell, A's players are probably SAFER when they're far from Crosby.
I'm normally disdain rampant nationalism, but if there's a place for it, it's in sports, the very core of an "us versus them" mentality.
Personally, I think it's fun to think of Huston Street representing the US, regardless of my feelings of politics, social issues, whatever. I think it's fun to see how the USA stacks up against other teams, I can't wait to see how those insane DR hitters go, how Japan's pitching works against everyone else, and the heck that crazy band of Dutch players will do. I think that this kind of reshuffling will be fun to watch and I'm eager to see it. I don't want anyone to get hurt, I hope they don't play insane, but I think that it's silly to think that they're risk-proof if they're at ST. Hell, if Harden can hurt himself on an alarm clock, NOWHERE is safe for our boys.
We decry players for being mercenaries, for going after the money, for being the Giambis and the A-Rods of the world. For ignoring the home team in favor of New York, for selling out and forgetting about the game.
So why are we not applauding guys who want to represent themselves, their families, and their history in this way?
If a guy doesn't want to play, I understand. Getting hurt IS a risk, and guys have their own offseason rhythms. It ain't for everyone. If owners want to discourage their players from going and not encourage the WBC, I understand. It's their money at stake. But banning them? No.
It's the same reason I can't think ill of players, high paid or not, that go play winter ball or some other offseason game for their home country. Why I respect guys that go home and play for their home fans. I believe that pride's not dead, and that guys who find meaning to the game and what it means to a culture and to family beyond the paychecks from MLB owners deserve a tip of the hat, not scorn.
I'd rather see owners negotiate incentives into contracts that are affected by going to winterball, WBC, or similar things that would help protect them financially but would give the player the choice of deciding what matters to him. These guys are getting huge paychecks, but if they want to do something beyond that, if they feel like their playing has meaning beyond that, that can be expressed in anything from helping coach the local high school team to playing in the Olympics or WBC... I respect that a lot.
by Kyli on Jan 30, 2006 10:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
True Dat!
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 30, 2006 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm stoked
I dunno, but I for one would be proud at seeing Street in a Team US jersey blowing Vlad or Manny away... and not at watching some more hype thrown the way of the likes of John Lackey or Francisco Rodriguez instead...
by OaktownTribesman on Jan 31, 2006 8:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
View from outside the USA
The primary aim is to show the IOC that baseball is not just the (extremely unhelpful) MLB, but is a genuine worldwide phenomenon worthy of Olympic inclusion. The second aim is basically a "Plan B" - if baseball remains excluded from the Olympics the WBC (as a 4-yearly international tournament) is intended to become big enough to overshadow the Olympics in the future.
Try and look at it from outside the USA - baseball is played all over the world (and actually its a struggle to keep it going sometimes) and this is our chance to compete on an international stage with the best teams in the world. If all the best players from the USA drop out YET AGAIN its like you're snubbing the rest of the world baseball community. Again.
At some point you have to decide - do you want baseball to be a true world sport or do you just care about MLB? Or even no further than the Coliseum?
I'm one of the coaches of the under-16 Great Britain team, laying the foundations for the GB adult teams for 2012 or future WBC's (we didn't make it this time around). Every time an MLB player drops out of the WBC its like telling my players not to bother because the USA will never take international baseball seriously.
Of course I hope that Huston Street doesn't pick up an injury at the WBC, but baseball IS bigger than the USA. Get used to it!
(BTW the decision to put baseball back in the 2012 Olympics is due in about a week)
by Star35 on Feb 1, 2006 1:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
slightly off topic
by elcroata on Feb 1, 2006 7:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not personally...
by Star35 on Feb 1, 2006 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, thanks
by elcroata on Feb 1, 2006 12:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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