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I cannot imagine many poeple here are going to like this, but it needs to be said.

First of all, lets start with a weak substantiation of my credentials as an A's fan.  First game was in 1979- A's/Red Sox.  A's won in extra innings, I was not there becuase I was 4 and had fallen asleep.  I am so greena nd gold that the other day I was in NYC and some guy found out I was from the bay and asked me if I thought Barry was using steroids.  I told him I sincerley doubted it and was 5 minutes into the liklihood of a curveballing pitcher using performance enhancers before he started laughing.  It never even occured to me that there might be another Barry in the bay.  I wera my A's jerseys to fenway, and cheer loudly nad accept the beer that is dumped on me.  In short, I love the A's, but its tough love, and frankly everone around here seems to have a rainbow up their collective *sses lately, so I thought that I would chime in to share my doubts, the same doubts that keep me up at night, and perhaps bring a little balance into the AN mix:

We are talented and young but there are some very real concerns with the team next year, some historical, some injuries, some we just needed to look beyond the press releases.

Pitching:

BZ- I love you man, this hurts me as much as it hurts you.  

Barry is not really an ace any more.  He is really very good, but he has declining strikeouts and since the league learned to lay off the curve, he has been effective, but hardly an ace.  He is not getting better, but is likley not geting worse.  this is not news..in fact, I think most people here accept these facts and have assumed we will likley get 220 innings, at a 3.75 clip from BZ.  Of course, if I am B, I beg to pitch when frank sits.  I mean, Bradley, Payton, and Kotsay for a fly ball pitcher?  Thats sick.  

Harden- not that worried.  I dont care he is high torque and not 6 feet.  The man is a tornado.  How injured can a 26 year old stay.  I have faith here.

Haren- again, he has been pitching now 3 years, and he has adjusted to the league who adjusted to him.  I think he is solid #2 stuff.  moving on...

JB- oh cupcake, here i get a little worried.  The man/boy had a heck of a rookie year, and adjusted on the fly, but right now, while he is home knee deep in galic stix and red vines in Kentucky, there are data geeks all over the nation, in ball parks near you, cutting and pasting together his pitch sequences on their mac laptops.  Several months from now, the best hitters on the planet are going to have a year of electronic data and video on JB, and they are going to catch that farm boy.  They are going to be in his head, and know his release points, and his preferences.  They probably will know his facial ticks when he throws heat.  The fact is, the man is likley to stumble before he rises, and I expect that JB is going to look a little flat next year, likley in the 4.5-5.0 era range.  

Loiza- The guy threw 220 innings last year.  THis is a feat he has accomplished only one other time in his career.  How did he get this rep as an innings eater?  I think his agent has been sending the press notes.  He has been consitently innefective except for 2003, the year it all came together- and what a beautiful year it was- and last year where he pitched in a national forrest of a park in a league where the hitters did not know him.  Sure, proably he is better than Saarloos, but lets be sober here. The man owns a 4.6 career era.  I mean, Pat Hentgen has a Cy young on his mantle. It happens- people have freaky good seasons. But me,  I close my eyes, and I see John Halama with better hygine.  

The Pen:

Huston: we all know what happens to japenese relief pitcher imports with kooky deliveries, they dominate for a year, and then the league sends them back to Japan.  And Huston- you have one kooky delivery. So what, because he has an american passport he is not going to have that novelty smacked into the iceplant [Note: Al, if I ever find you alone, we are going to talk about that iceplant].  The man jumps off the rubber.  Seriously, I love that he is on our side, but the guy violates the rule book like charels barkely used to when he drove to the basket.  Huston is likley the real deal, but the real deal is not a 1.79 era.  I conservatively hope he sees under 3.00 this year.  I think the miracle of video is going to cause Mssr. Street a little discomfort next year as the league learns to time that drive to the plate.  The guy is good, but he is young, and he is pitching from the batter's lap.  

Kiko- Yo' Kiko.  Sure, I believe.  What the h*ll.  Kiko has been doing this too long to be a freak.  Kiko, I will buy. And his name is Kiko.  Ask Baseball Prospectus- it is almost impossible to predict accurately the career trajectory of guys named Kiko.

Watasic.  Jay sucked for a whole career.  he had a nice year last year.  Thats nice Jay. Good for you.  Everyone deserves a nice season.  But this is not going to last. Jay has been pitching for nearly a decade, and owns a carer 4.54 era, and a whip north of 1.5.  As a reliever.  I think this is about what we can expect next year.  

Ron Flores.  Frankly, never thought much of Rincon.  I have an ulcer named Ricardo.  Welcome Ron.  Loved your interview.  But seriously people, its  good thing I am not a believer in the LOOGY. If I were, I would have to doubt that Greenie here is going to be a shut down lefty specialist in his first year in the bigs.  Worse than Ricardo though?  probably not, and frankly, personality goes a long way.  

Saarloos. Probably very effective out of the pen. Still, there is that pesky fact that his arm is taped on.  Just thought I would mention it.

Duke: he has been effective since he got here.  I doubt he will be 2.21 era effective again, but that is just becuase that is too sick to keep up.  Still, keep your eye on the bouncing bad back.

Joe Kennedy- sure he can repeat. I cannot imagine the league is up all night learning his preferences.  

Does anyone know if Harrikala is even still on the team?

Ok, moving on...

Jason Kendall.  Everyone points to the fact that he has a career .380 OBA as an indicator that he will bounce back.  Sure, I can go with that too.  But there is the fact the Jason Kendall had a father, Fred, who was a catcher who never really could hit, but what he could muster with the bat abandoned him entirely at 29.  Oh, and Joe threw out 5 runners in his career.  I hope Jason learned something, or got his mother's aging genes, but Jason worries me a little.  

The Verge:  Everyone seems content to light another insense stick in the BBeane alter and offer up oranges and myrr over the great deal that Beane worked out for Frank thomas, but folks, lets be realistic here.  Frank signed for 500k.  Something tells me that if his medical reports did not dry up new mother's milk he could have, and would have, received more.  I could be wrong.  I think the rest of the league two years ago spent a lot of the season watching Vlad poundd out home runs thinking "They signed him for WHAT?".  Sometimes you gotta ask.  I dont know what is in those reports, but I know that noone else in baseball even put in an offer.  Maybe Frank just likes white shoes.  He COULD play 100 games, but I am going to pencil him in for the playoffs and everything else is gravy.

Ellis.  Love me some Mark.  He is not .850 OPS good, but noone expects him to equal thes totals, so Mark seems to be well valued by AN.

Chavy- why is everyone h*ll bent on him being a leader?  So he isnt a leader, who cares...what just becuase he is making the most money he needs to throw chairs?  I dont care if Macha needs to call him a "silent leader", or if he carries JB's bag for him for validation, he can play a wicked third base, and he can mash.  He is, however, borrowing Kirk's duct tape.  This concerns me a lot. Its really hard to hit those outside pitches with one arm. Ask Pete Grey.  

Crosby- noone can be unlucky for three seasons in a row.  I am sure this year he will be fine.  I dont know what fine means for him, being that he has not played a lengthy stretch in a long time, but I am not that concerned about the boy.  He cannot hit the inside fast balls, but hey, who can these days?

DJ- probably going to take a hit, then get his in.  I think he is likley, realistically, good for .800 OPS, which, my Yankee loving friend points out to me is not actually very good, but hey, it beats Hatte v.2004.  I am an A's fan.  .750 OPS is just dandy.  

Swish- this guy has got to get better. Not that worried even if we get what he offered last year.

Kotsay- knees man, knees.  One days the dudes knees are going to wake up and say "Mark, why dont you take a seat...now." and then we will have a tendonitis filled left feilder with a .715 ops.  Lets hope thats not soon.

Payton- read the history, .330/.440 career ops.  Thats WITH Coors feild.  Thats who he is, love him or hate him.  

Bradley- not that worried about him, although I was in cleveland when he was playing there, and it was one of those times when you can open the paper every day and ask yourslef why Milton didnt tie a strong on his finger that reminded him to shut and and thank his lucky stars he lives in a country that pays your hundreds of thousands a year to play baseball.  The guy can rake though.

Keilty- .750 OPS and bad hair- I think he can provide that again.  

We have a lot of rookies entering sophmore years.   One of them is going to slump.  I bet its Johnson.  Doesnt matter though, we have to give them time and patience to play through it.

Every team has problems.  The A's probably have fewer than most.  But I want to love them for who they are, not some delusion.  I think this is a good jumping off point for anyone to express doubts or concerns for next season.   It is, after all, part of being a fan.  

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Nicely done.
I share your concerns except I think the pitching will be better than you fear it might, and Chavy might be worse, foe various reasons. He had a lot of cold streaks last year without the torrid hot streaks to make up for it.
"Keep the juices going by jangling around gently as you move." - Satchel Paige

by McFood on Jan 27, 2006 8:52 PM PST reply actions  

Totally Agree with you
You're right, its been all smiles and rainbows around here.  Pre-Spring Training is all about optimism I guess.  Its been a good offseason, and the team is deep.  I've questioned the "talent" of our beloved A's for a while now, suggesting they succeed by winning when the league is less competitive.  I love our team and our possible success, but I also don't think it will be half as easy as AN has been spouting recently.  Go big frank, get 500 HR in Oakland.
Yo La Tengo! hey, I got it! -Richie Ashburn

by Dig the Long Ball on Jan 27, 2006 8:58 PM PST reply actions  

I think you make a lot of valid points
but I have a couple of bones to pick.  First, don't you think that players have been studying tape all last year with Street and Blanton?  Because it's a full year, that makes them more likely to fall.  Truthfully, advance scouts and video was around all last season.  And Blanton got better as the season went along.  He had a 2.65 ERA after the all-star break, a 4.44 ERA before it.

I agree that I think Blanton won't be a stud this year.  But at the same time, it isn't because someone suddenly invented video tape.

I'm also much more concerned about Kotsay's back, not his knees.  Kotsay has had a lot of back problems and I think those have been much more nagging.  But then again, we currently have two other center fielders who can give Kotsay time off.

Loaiza...he's also someone who became a different pitcher after he developed a new pitch three years ago.  So in many ways, you have to think that much of his statistical history is irrelevant.  At the same time, Loaiza is far from an ace.  He's a good pitcher and a solid 3 or 4.  The good news is, that's all the A's are expecting him to be.  Harden and Haren will probably be 1 and 2 with Z being a more than adequate number 3.

Most of the other stuff I agree with.  Don't know why you said that people would be upset.  A lot of this is very valid and this team isn't a sure thing by any means.

Also, this kneeling at the alter of Beane idea is getting old.  No one ever said the guy was infallible.  It's just that more often than not, he makes this team competitive.  I believe this team has only played 10 or so (I'm not sure of the exact number right now) meaningless games over the last five years (meaning they had been eliminated from playoff contention).  To me, that deserves some appreciation.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 27, 2006 8:58 PM PST reply actions  

well,
Kneeling at the alter of Beane is a little dramatic, but I noticed that the assumption was that this was a steal, becuase Beane has gotten a lot of steals in his day.  I think The Thomas signing is going to be a little like the Justice signing, a good influence, good addition, but ultimately a little sad. A good, but not great value. Beane would stand by that.  He is effective and a great general manager because he looks at transactions dispasionately, and becuase he is not looking to get a steal every time, but slightly more value than that for which he pays.  He is right more often then wrong, but that is becuase he hires some very smart people, trusts them, and does his homework.  I just get the feeling that people around here and elsewhere occasionally think he has a crystal ball- which is a diservice to him.  He works hard.

I know thta video, and digital imagery is not new, but I notice that it seems to be in the offseason that hitters find the time to study the stuff, espcially when the pitcher in question is a rookie, and therefore an unknown quanitity his first year.  Blanton changed his mechanics halfway through the season if i recall, so hitters can throw out the first half video.  It just seems when you play every day, you might not study the stuff as much as when you have some months off.

Since Loiaza discovered the new pitch, he has had eras of 4.86/8.5 and 3.77 in a cavernous park in a new league.  And a BB to K ratio slightly under 1:2.  Admittedly, we might want to throw out the year with the Yanks, but, still, 04 in Chicago did not look good.  Whips of 1.43, 2.05, and 1.3. He is going to be 34...I am not saying he is trash, but many people were pointing out similarities in his peripherals with Zito. Well, I think that is more hopeful than realistic to think he will be as effective.

by mikedaviswhereareyou on Jan 27, 2006 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Points well taken
I just happen to be more optimistic about this team than in the past few seasons.  And I think Thomas could possibly be a difference maker with this team.

That is, if he can someone possibly remain healthy.

But overall, I think this is a good post.  I just happen to be more optimistic and mostly because of the depth.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 27, 2006 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Spoken like a...
...truly neurotic A's fan whose in love with his team. Good job.
I loved the kielty comment, just wondered if that was an "either or" or an "and" proposition?  The .750 I'm not so sure about but the bad hair is a given.
"I've been accused of using too many words...I suppose that's like accusing Mozart of using too many notes." Bill King

by Gerard on Jan 27, 2006 8:59 PM PST reply actions  

This is the best A's team since the Haas-LaRussa
Rosters.

I have commented on our players brittleness and slow starts for 3 seasons.  But I can't complain this season;

  • The A's have one of the best defenses in MLB.
  • The A's have one of the best pitching staffs in MLB with 20 pitchers on the 40-man roster.
  • With Frank (300 at bats) and MB (450 At Bats) the A's have a top 10 offense.
This CAN take you to the Series.

This roster actually has the depth built in to cure most ills except Kendall's inability to throw out basestealers!

It also has the depth to trade the player(s) come June that can bring back any missing pieces. This is a good thing.
This is new.
This is what it is all about

1/25/06 JayPay; "I'd be open to whatever else is out there. ... If Boston had an everyday job in center field, I certainly wouldn't block that."

by A s Eh on Jan 27, 2006 9:14 PM PST reply actions  

Street
Via Google, I found a blog entry about Street's delivery from last season that mentioned a conversation on AN, so this may have already been covered, but...

A) This picture seems to indicate that Street is acceptably "in contact" with the rubber when he releases the pitch, very much unlike Dave Stewart (see how far back the ball is with his foot already coming off the rubber).

B) No manager will ever challenge Street's motion for fear of his own pitchers getting called for nit-picky rule violations.

Finally, every single other team in MLB would be satisfied, if not genuinely happy, to have a rotation of one fantastic pitcher with a little bit of an injury concern (Harden), one very good pitcher with no injury history (Zito), one potentially great pitcher who this year will likely be above average and within a few years will be excellent (Haren), and two guys who could be anywhere from mediocre to serviceable to above average (Blanton and Loaiza). And all that's not to mention the above-replacement starting pitching depth beyond those guys. No Al Leiter-type grasping for straws with this team.

by deadteddy8 @ Athletics Nation on Jan 27, 2006 10:25 PM PST reply actions  

Two memorable '05 performances;
Saarloos
I consider his 29 starts during the 2005 season quite masterful. All data shows Saarloos should throw 60 pitches and let the next guy take the mound.
...with, as you said, his arm taped on he gave us many quality starts with a couple shut outs thrown in, taking a lot of pressure off the rotation and bullpen. The man steps in with reliever's credentials, health issues, gives quality starts, gets  and gets criticized for it. Harden gave us 19 starts. BB acquisition of Loaiza was influenced by these two pitchers 2005 performances. Harden is actually #5 on the staff since he skips turns to stay healthy. I doubt he will ever start 35 games like Zito.

Saarloos in the process proved he is a pitcher, not just a thrower, and as such, worth 20 or more Cruz's & Jairo Santiago Garcia Casillas.

Zito
While on the mound in something like his 1st 16 starts he got 21 runs of support. (I think it was actually 21 runs his first 18 games). Yet he came back and battled the next games like an ace.
On a different team with runs support he easily gets 20+ wins and Cy Young considerations again.

...Z may not be an ace but will do until one comes.  

1/25/06 JayPay; "I'd be open to whatever else is out there. ... If Boston had an everyday job in center field, I certainly wouldn't block that."

by A s Eh on Jan 27, 2006 10:26 PM PST reply actions  

I think that taken as a whole,
your assessments are pretty right on (and nicely written). I'm not as worried about Street and Duke as you are, maybe have a little less confidence in Calero (you can only throw so many sliders in a row before Michael Cuddyer sits on one). Mostly, though, little with which to quibble.

But the season is graded on a curve, and every team has uncertainty and potential weaknesses. I feel the A's have fewer than most; hence the optimism. The key to 2006 will be health. We should be used to it--health turned out to be the key to 2005.

by Nico on Jan 27, 2006 10:54 PM PST reply actions  

one small point... one big point
Harden is 24, not 26.

You can get pessimistic about everything.

They are deeper.

It is highly unlikely they will suffer as many key injuries as last year.

Most of their offensive perfomers are either more likely to improve rather than decline, or are likely to play more than the less productive players thay have replace did last year;

A fair assessment of this team-- even allowing for the upgrades throughout the league (partic. in Toronto and Texas, but overall more talent has come to than left the AL)-- has them winning close to 100 games. TGhey should have won 93-94 last year, even without the injuries-- this team is clearly better.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Jan 27, 2006 10:55 PM PST reply actions  

Has AN been hitting the Kool Aid
particularly heavy lately? 'Cause I don't know why you'd worry about backlash from this post.
Why yes. I am a ray of Fucking sunshine.

by grover on Jan 27, 2006 11:54 PM PST reply actions  

Yes, but...
Each point you make is valid, but while most good things that can be projected wont really happen, i doubt all your pesimistic concerns will be the case either. What will happen probably will be something in the middle, which is fine, because that still makes us pretty good.

by WWBBD on Jan 28, 2006 2:41 AM PST reply actions  

I don't agree with everything you say,
and it's not all grounded in fact, but i'm all for tempering the expectations of our boys a little bit in '06.  High expectations suck, and it's why my past few relationships have failed-- the girls set the bar too high and are bummed when I don't turn out to be exactly who they want me to be cuz I have my own life, or whatever.

Ok, so that was a bit off topic and I won't go further down that road, but the point applies to the A's too-- if we set the bar too high, we'll more than likely end up disappointing ourselves.  I think there is a chance we can go all the way this year, and it's great as a fan to be able to say that, but we must be realistic about it, and understand that, as Forrest Gump so aptly states, "Shit happens."

For this reason, I'm not so upset to see stuff like the latest ESPN MLB poll that has 52% of the country thinking the Angels will win the AL West, vs. only 28% favoring the A's.  In fact, I welcome this underdog status-- it takes some of the pressure off of us, and like it or not, I believe that pressure does affect output-- usually for the worse (in my own experience, at least).

I, like many, am super stoked for our chances this year, but we do need to come back to reality a little bit.  It's a long season, so to expect that nothing will go wrong, no one will get hurt, and that all of our players will have career years or even that all of them will play to their potential at all times is just foolish.  Streaks happen just as slumps happen.

We look great on paper, but we have to remember-- especially in the offseason when no baseball is being played-- that the paper is just part of it; the vast majority of our fate will be determined on the field.

"...and in Joe [Blanton]'s case, it's almost like he crammed the whole rookie year in a month, then became a veteran." --Billy Beane

by rungood on Jan 28, 2006 5:29 AM PST reply actions  

Valid Concerns
While the Parent Poster makes some good points, his position sounds a little like Chicken Little---we are only weaker, it seems to me , if a vast majority of his concerns come to pass.  We are such a deep team that if, say, Kendall continues to suck, we drop him down and let the other guys play---and that includes the much under-appreciated Melhuse.  We are certainly better than we were last year at this time---World Series bound?  No one can say---life is too unpredictable.  But certainly we are positioned to make a good solid run.
"Greatness is achieved one day at a time"---Huston Street

by Buck18 on Jan 28, 2006 7:37 AM PST reply actions  

This time of year,
no one is World Series bound. In January, you just try to be in position to be in a position to be World Series bound. The A's are there, and that's the best you can do until pitchers and catchers report...

by Nico on Jan 28, 2006 8:49 AM PST reply actions  

that's exactly
what I was trying to get at in my post above.  Concision was never my strong suit.
"...and in Joe [Blanton]'s case, it's almost like he crammed the whole rookie year in a month, then became a veteran." --Billy Beane

by rungood on Jan 28, 2006 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

You could always
practice the "circum" part and launch a new career as a rabbi.

by Nico on Jan 28, 2006 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Did anyone besides me get that?
"Joe Morgan doesn't like it when facts interfere with his opinions"-Billy Beane

by harendaman365 on Jan 30, 2006 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

any reasonable A's fan must agree with your post
I'm not sure if anything you've pointed out is too dramatic. It's the typical "glass is half empty" side of the arguement. I tend to ride the middle road with my sports teams anyway. So with any type of subjective discussion there is always room for conjecture, so I'II offer two:
  1. I've never been a big Zito fan but the dude impressed me last year. I liked his focus, competitiveness and willingness to adjust (the slider was very effective i thought). Plus Zito is coming into a FA contract year so I might disagree with your assessment of Zito's '06 fortunes. I expect a 15-18 win year.
  2. Beane IS God. Don't you dare forget it.

by bigelephant on Jan 28, 2006 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

But let's face it:
God isn't having the best year, is he?

by Nico on Jan 28, 2006 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends on which God
you're referring too. The Old School Fire & Wrath God is having an All-Star year.
Why yes. I am a ray of Fucking sunshine.

by grover on Jan 28, 2006 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Most definitely--
I'd lock that God up with a multi-year deal in a minute if it meant avoiding arbitration.

by Nico on Jan 28, 2006 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I give him a multi-year deal
if it keeps him from smoting me with a lightning bolt.
Why yes. I am a ray of Fucking sunshine.

by grover on Jan 28, 2006 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

But
He doesn't get a NTC. You've got to draw the line somewhere.
Why yes. I am a ray of Fucking sunshine.

by grover on Jan 28, 2006 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that way you can
trade him later for Satan.  And I'm not talking about the hockey player.  

Satan is more than willing to play outside the lines to win. God is too straight-laced.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 28, 2006 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you suggesting...
...that Satan brings a grittier, more hard-nosed set of intangibles to the field and clubhouse?  A deadline pickup of evil chemistry could be just the thing to put this team over the top!
They're not booing...they're saying Leeewwwwwww!

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 28, 2006 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I've got nothing
that can top the Ron Artest comment below.
Why yes. I am a ray of Fucking sunshine.

by grover on Jan 28, 2006 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

eh
I guess I meant above.
Why yes. I am a ray of Fucking sunshine.

by grover on Jan 28, 2006 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Glass half empty
To me, this is a silly question, easily answered. The glass is half empty if you've been draining it. It's half full if you've been filling it.

Why do people get so worked up over it?

by Alon on Jan 28, 2006 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

What I want to know,
is: if there's more than one way to skin a cat, what's the "one way" everyone else seems to take for granted?

by Nico on Jan 28, 2006 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean
you never saw the original ginsu knife commercial?

All I can say is WOW!

And they were still able to slice a tomato paper thin afterwards...

Why yes. I am a ray of Fucking sunshine.

by grover on Jan 28, 2006 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

M-m-mmm....
I love thin slices of tomato paper.

by Nico on Jan 28, 2006 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

M-m-mmmm..
..i love skinned cat with a tall glass of JD.

Signed,

Cupcakes

by bigelephant on Jan 29, 2006 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Tiny nit pick
Rich is only 24. Other than that, I don't agree on many players, and I think that it's difficult to predict what will happen to one player based on previous situations with other players. (naming no names)

I think that this year is going to be very exciting, and also that we should wait and see what happens before we rush to announce who's going to be hot and who's not.

I was nothing more than an almost innocent bystander.

by Squeaky on Jan 28, 2006 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

I don't know, cirquegirl--
Isn't it pretty easy to predict that Street and Harden will be hot?

by Nico on Jan 28, 2006 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

some nice points
I think u may underestimate Baryy a little.  This guy did win a cy young.  Barry is up there with the best when he has his stuff, he just doesn't seem to have it as much as he used to.
"Baseball is 90% mental -- the other half is physical." Yogi Berra

by smartkidfromcarmel on Jan 28, 2006 2:37 PM PST reply actions  

great diary
but all these points being as they may, this is still the deepest and best small-market team in all of organized sports.
1972...1973...1974...1989...2006

by emperor nobody on Jan 28, 2006 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

Congrats & admiration to BB for the great
roster engineering.

...the baseball G*ds should be pleased

1/25/06 JayPay; "I'd be open to whatever else is out there. ... If Boston had an everyday job in center field, I certainly wouldn't block that."

by A s Eh on Jan 28, 2006 9:03 PM PST reply actions  

Couple issues
  1. Zito's K rate hasn't really been declining all that much. He had a terrible year a couple years ago and his past two years have been down total, but his whip (~1.2) has been pretty damn consistent, meaning his control has gotten much better, which is a plus
  2. Looking at VORPs and other stats, as someone said above the A's are mathematically projected to win ~100 games, although efficiency is a commodity that some small market teams don't have due to less depth. However, this year we've got that. Even if we finish at the same efficiency as last year, it would still put us at ~95 games won. That's usually solid enough to get a team into the playoffs, especially if the Angels regress in their youth movement (if they get better, then we can only hope the A's are operating with some pretty smooth gears)
  3. .800 OPS is pretty good. That can be anything from a .300 OBP - .500 SLG to a(more likely for the A's) .380 OBP -.420 SLG. That ain't bad. Ask your Yankee buddy what he thinks of Robinson Cano, and then ask him what he thinks of him after this year (Cano due for a fall due to pretty terrible walk ratio), and your friend will be drooling over DJ's .800 OPS. Or, if you want a 2b comparison, Ellis's .750-.800 OPS.
  4. As far as Fank the Tank, worst comes to worst we swallow $500,000 (not that much for a ballclub, even the A's). Best case, we're paying 3.1 M for ~35-40 HRs (juding by his recent #'s) and a .380 OBP. That ain't bad either.
The Real Oakland Athletics? Probably not the team that a few (and even here on AN, a very small few) people make it out to be (AL favorite etc), but it probably ain't as bad as you make it. Maybe ~97 wins? And if we're really lucky, a playoff birth? And if we're even luckier, a 1st round win? And if we're even MORE lucky, a 2nd round win, and if we're one of the luckiest baseball team in the world, a potential WS win(singular)? And then if we're THE luckiest team in the world, a WS championship?

Long road, I'd rather not think about it.

by Alon on Jan 28, 2006 9:26 PM PST reply actions  

Surely, if we can
pay Yabu more than $500,000 to do nothing, and we can pay Ginter even more to do more harm than good, then we can afford to pay Frank Thomas $500,000 to go, "Ow! Well, I tried."

by Nico on Jan 28, 2006 9:32 PM PST reply actions  

and stop calling us Shirley
"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Jan 28, 2006 10:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta agree about the kooky delivery
I think Street's career is doomed to failure just like Bob Gibson, Satchell Paige, Dontrelle Willis, and Dennis Eckersley before him.

Or maybe i'm as close-minded as every scout who works for Baseball America and believe there's only one right way to throw a fastball.

by Nick86 on Jan 29, 2006 11:11 AM PST reply actions  

Well said
What a buntch of fuck ups you got there.  

And another thing (not being directed at you Nick86)  Why is it that you make it seem like we're the only ones who have video working against us.  Don't you think that maybe we've realized that there's such thing as a video camera and we've learned to use it too?

by somuchforplanb on Jan 29, 2006 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

well
Pitcher's effectiveness seems to slump the year after the league has had lengthy exposure to them.  I blame this in large part on better preparation.  OF course the A's do this also.  I was just noting that we should expect hitters to catch up a bit with our golden haired rookies.  

by mikedaviswhereareyou on Jan 29, 2006 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Their hair isn't gold
and the rook pitchers have that much more chance to study the hitters they'll face. Maybe they'll fall a bit, but not a lot. Are you aware of any stat studies that prove what you're saying (soph pitchers  with incredible rookie numbers tend to have far worse soph campaigns)? May I see it?

by Alon on Jan 29, 2006 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Davis and Alon
You're both a little wrong.  Rookies with incredible stats do decline, but not because the hitters can study him in the tape room or any laughable thing that Tim McCarver might tell you.  Anyone who is exceptionally great at anything one year is likely to be less exceptionally great-er the next year. It's called regression to the mean, and you'll hear about it in any stats 101 class.

If I'm 6 feet, 9 inches tall, I'll probably have a son that's tall, but not quite 6 foot nine.

If the Yankees win 114 games one year, chances are they'll be good the next year, but there's nary a chance they'll win 114.

If Huston Street has a spectacular rookie season,   chances are he'll be very effective but not quite as spectacular the next season.

The reason for this is pretty simple: if you have an incredible performance, everything is going your way.  Chances are, next time around, NOT everything will go you way.  So you'll be somewhere between the average and the spectacular self you once were.  Ok, that's enough stat talk for today.

But yeah, your reasons for Street going to suck are laughable.  They also change as the thread goes on.  Street will (probably) be worse, but he'll good.  But most of the other A's (Swisher, Crosby, Chavez, and Bradley, to name a few) will probably get better.

by Nick86 on Jan 29, 2006 8:07 PM PST reply actions  

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