Least Popular A's Diary
I cannot imagine many poeple here are going to like this, but it needs to be said.
First of all, lets start with a weak substantiation of my credentials as an A's fan. First game was in 1979- A's/Red Sox. A's won in extra innings, I was not there becuase I was 4 and had fallen asleep. I am so greena nd gold that the other day I was in NYC and some guy found out I was from the bay and asked me if I thought Barry was using steroids. I told him I sincerley doubted it and was 5 minutes into the liklihood of a curveballing pitcher using performance enhancers before he started laughing. It never even occured to me that there might be another Barry in the bay. I wera my A's jerseys to fenway, and cheer loudly nad accept the beer that is dumped on me. In short, I love the A's, but its tough love, and frankly everone around here seems to have a rainbow up their collective *sses lately, so I thought that I would chime in to share my doubts, the same doubts that keep me up at night, and perhaps bring a little balance into the AN mix:
We are talented and young but there are some very real concerns with the team next year, some historical, some injuries, some we just needed to look beyond the press releases.
Pitching:
BZ- I love you man, this hurts me as much as it hurts you.
Barry is not really an ace any more. He is really very good, but he has declining strikeouts and since the league learned to lay off the curve, he has been effective, but hardly an ace. He is not getting better, but is likley not geting worse. this is not news..in fact, I think most people here accept these facts and have assumed we will likley get 220 innings, at a 3.75 clip from BZ. Of course, if I am B, I beg to pitch when frank sits. I mean, Bradley, Payton, and Kotsay for a fly ball pitcher? Thats sick.
Harden- not that worried. I dont care he is high torque and not 6 feet. The man is a tornado. How injured can a 26 year old stay. I have faith here.
Haren- again, he has been pitching now 3 years, and he has adjusted to the league who adjusted to him. I think he is solid #2 stuff. moving on...
JB- oh cupcake, here i get a little worried. The man/boy had a heck of a rookie year, and adjusted on the fly, but right now, while he is home knee deep in galic stix and red vines in Kentucky, there are data geeks all over the nation, in ball parks near you, cutting and pasting together his pitch sequences on their mac laptops. Several months from now, the best hitters on the planet are going to have a year of electronic data and video on JB, and they are going to catch that farm boy. They are going to be in his head, and know his release points, and his preferences. They probably will know his facial ticks when he throws heat. The fact is, the man is likley to stumble before he rises, and I expect that JB is going to look a little flat next year, likley in the 4.5-5.0 era range.
Loiza- The guy threw 220 innings last year. THis is a feat he has accomplished only one other time in his career. How did he get this rep as an innings eater? I think his agent has been sending the press notes. He has been consitently innefective except for 2003, the year it all came together- and what a beautiful year it was- and last year where he pitched in a national forrest of a park in a league where the hitters did not know him. Sure, proably he is better than Saarloos, but lets be sober here. The man owns a 4.6 career era. I mean, Pat Hentgen has a Cy young on his mantle. It happens- people have freaky good seasons. But me, I close my eyes, and I see John Halama with better hygine.
The Pen:
Huston: we all know what happens to japenese relief pitcher imports with kooky deliveries, they dominate for a year, and then the league sends them back to Japan. And Huston- you have one kooky delivery. So what, because he has an american passport he is not going to have that novelty smacked into the iceplant [Note: Al, if I ever find you alone, we are going to talk about that iceplant]. The man jumps off the rubber. Seriously, I love that he is on our side, but the guy violates the rule book like charels barkely used to when he drove to the basket. Huston is likley the real deal, but the real deal is not a 1.79 era. I conservatively hope he sees under 3.00 this year. I think the miracle of video is going to cause Mssr. Street a little discomfort next year as the league learns to time that drive to the plate. The guy is good, but he is young, and he is pitching from the batter's lap.
Kiko- Yo' Kiko. Sure, I believe. What the h*ll. Kiko has been doing this too long to be a freak. Kiko, I will buy. And his name is Kiko. Ask Baseball Prospectus- it is almost impossible to predict accurately the career trajectory of guys named Kiko.
Watasic. Jay sucked for a whole career. he had a nice year last year. Thats nice Jay. Good for you. Everyone deserves a nice season. But this is not going to last. Jay has been pitching for nearly a decade, and owns a carer 4.54 era, and a whip north of 1.5. As a reliever. I think this is about what we can expect next year.
Ron Flores. Frankly, never thought much of Rincon. I have an ulcer named Ricardo. Welcome Ron. Loved your interview. But seriously people, its good thing I am not a believer in the LOOGY. If I were, I would have to doubt that Greenie here is going to be a shut down lefty specialist in his first year in the bigs. Worse than Ricardo though? probably not, and frankly, personality goes a long way.
Saarloos. Probably very effective out of the pen. Still, there is that pesky fact that his arm is taped on. Just thought I would mention it.
Duke: he has been effective since he got here. I doubt he will be 2.21 era effective again, but that is just becuase that is too sick to keep up. Still, keep your eye on the bouncing bad back.
Joe Kennedy- sure he can repeat. I cannot imagine the league is up all night learning his preferences.
Does anyone know if Harrikala is even still on the team?
Ok, moving on...
Jason Kendall. Everyone points to the fact that he has a career .380 OBA as an indicator that he will bounce back. Sure, I can go with that too. But there is the fact the Jason Kendall had a father, Fred, who was a catcher who never really could hit, but what he could muster with the bat abandoned him entirely at 29. Oh, and Joe threw out 5 runners in his career. I hope Jason learned something, or got his mother's aging genes, but Jason worries me a little.
The Verge: Everyone seems content to light another insense stick in the BBeane alter and offer up oranges and myrr over the great deal that Beane worked out for Frank thomas, but folks, lets be realistic here. Frank signed for 500k. Something tells me that if his medical reports did not dry up new mother's milk he could have, and would have, received more. I could be wrong. I think the rest of the league two years ago spent a lot of the season watching Vlad poundd out home runs thinking "They signed him for WHAT?". Sometimes you gotta ask. I dont know what is in those reports, but I know that noone else in baseball even put in an offer. Maybe Frank just likes white shoes. He COULD play 100 games, but I am going to pencil him in for the playoffs and everything else is gravy.
Ellis. Love me some Mark. He is not .850 OPS good, but noone expects him to equal thes totals, so Mark seems to be well valued by AN.
Chavy- why is everyone h*ll bent on him being a leader? So he isnt a leader, who cares...what just becuase he is making the most money he needs to throw chairs? I dont care if Macha needs to call him a "silent leader", or if he carries JB's bag for him for validation, he can play a wicked third base, and he can mash. He is, however, borrowing Kirk's duct tape. This concerns me a lot. Its really hard to hit those outside pitches with one arm. Ask Pete Grey.
Crosby- noone can be unlucky for three seasons in a row. I am sure this year he will be fine. I dont know what fine means for him, being that he has not played a lengthy stretch in a long time, but I am not that concerned about the boy. He cannot hit the inside fast balls, but hey, who can these days?
DJ- probably going to take a hit, then get his in. I think he is likley, realistically, good for .800 OPS, which, my Yankee loving friend points out to me is not actually very good, but hey, it beats Hatte v.2004. I am an A's fan. .750 OPS is just dandy.
Swish- this guy has got to get better. Not that worried even if we get what he offered last year.
Kotsay- knees man, knees. One days the dudes knees are going to wake up and say "Mark, why dont you take a seat...now." and then we will have a tendonitis filled left feilder with a .715 ops. Lets hope thats not soon.
Payton- read the history, .330/.440 career ops. Thats WITH Coors feild. Thats who he is, love him or hate him.
Bradley- not that worried about him, although I was in cleveland when he was playing there, and it was one of those times when you can open the paper every day and ask yourslef why Milton didnt tie a strong on his finger that reminded him to shut and and thank his lucky stars he lives in a country that pays your hundreds of thousands a year to play baseball. The guy can rake though.
Keilty- .750 OPS and bad hair- I think he can provide that again.
We have a lot of rookies entering sophmore years. One of them is going to slump. I bet its Johnson. Doesnt matter though, we have to give them time and patience to play through it.
Every team has problems. The A's probably have fewer than most. But I want to love them for who they are, not some delusion. I think this is a good jumping off point for anyone to express doubts or concerns for next season. It is, after all, part of being a fan.
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Nicely done.
Totally Agree with you
by Dig the Long Ball on Jan 27, 2006 8:58 PM PST reply actions
I think you make a lot of valid points
I agree that I think Blanton won't be a stud this year. But at the same time, it isn't because someone suddenly invented video tape.
I'm also much more concerned about Kotsay's back, not his knees. Kotsay has had a lot of back problems and I think those have been much more nagging. But then again, we currently have two other center fielders who can give Kotsay time off.
Loaiza...he's also someone who became a different pitcher after he developed a new pitch three years ago. So in many ways, you have to think that much of his statistical history is irrelevant. At the same time, Loaiza is far from an ace. He's a good pitcher and a solid 3 or 4. The good news is, that's all the A's are expecting him to be. Harden and Haren will probably be 1 and 2 with Z being a more than adequate number 3.
Most of the other stuff I agree with. Don't know why you said that people would be upset. A lot of this is very valid and this team isn't a sure thing by any means.
Also, this kneeling at the alter of Beane idea is getting old. No one ever said the guy was infallible. It's just that more often than not, he makes this team competitive. I believe this team has only played 10 or so (I'm not sure of the exact number right now) meaningless games over the last five years (meaning they had been eliminated from playoff contention). To me, that deserves some appreciation.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 27, 2006 8:58 PM PST reply actions
well,
I know thta video, and digital imagery is not new, but I notice that it seems to be in the offseason that hitters find the time to study the stuff, espcially when the pitcher in question is a rookie, and therefore an unknown quanitity his first year. Blanton changed his mechanics halfway through the season if i recall, so hitters can throw out the first half video. It just seems when you play every day, you might not study the stuff as much as when you have some months off.
Since Loiaza discovered the new pitch, he has had eras of 4.86/8.5 and 3.77 in a cavernous park in a new league. And a BB to K ratio slightly under 1:2. Admittedly, we might want to throw out the year with the Yanks, but, still, 04 in Chicago did not look good. Whips of 1.43, 2.05, and 1.3. He is going to be 34...I am not saying he is trash, but many people were pointing out similarities in his peripherals with Zito. Well, I think that is more hopeful than realistic to think he will be as effective.
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Jan 27, 2006 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Points well taken
That is, if he can someone possibly remain healthy.
But overall, I think this is a good post. I just happen to be more optimistic and mostly because of the depth.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 27, 2006 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
Spoken like a...
I loved the kielty comment, just wondered if that was an "either or" or an "and" proposition? The .750 I'm not so sure about but the bad hair is a given.
This is the best A's team since the Haas-LaRussa
I have commented on our players brittleness and slow starts for 3 seasons. But I can't complain this season;
- The A's have one of the best defenses in MLB.
- The A's have one of the best pitching staffs in MLB with 20 pitchers on the 40-man roster.
- With Frank (300 at bats) and MB (450 At Bats) the A's have a top 10 offense.
This roster actually has the depth built in to cure most ills except Kendall's inability to throw out basestealers!
It also has the depth to trade the player(s) come June that can bring back any missing pieces. This is a good thing.
This is new.
This is what it is all about
by A s Eh on Jan 27, 2006 9:14 PM PST reply actions
Street
A) This picture seems to indicate that Street is acceptably "in contact" with the rubber when he releases the pitch, very much unlike Dave Stewart (see how far back the ball is with his foot already coming off the rubber).
B) No manager will ever challenge Street's motion for fear of his own pitchers getting called for nit-picky rule violations.
Finally, every single other team in MLB would be satisfied, if not genuinely happy, to have a rotation of one fantastic pitcher with a little bit of an injury concern (Harden), one very good pitcher with no injury history (Zito), one potentially great pitcher who this year will likely be above average and within a few years will be excellent (Haren), and two guys who could be anywhere from mediocre to serviceable to above average (Blanton and Loaiza). And all that's not to mention the above-replacement starting pitching depth beyond those guys. No Al Leiter-type grasping for straws with this team.
by deadteddy8 @ Athletics Nation on Jan 27, 2006 10:25 PM PST reply actions
Two memorable '05 performances;
I consider his 29 starts during the 2005 season quite masterful. All data shows Saarloos should throw 60 pitches and let the next guy take the mound.
...with, as you said, his arm taped on he gave us many quality starts with a couple shut outs thrown in, taking a lot of pressure off the rotation and bullpen. The man steps in with reliever's credentials, health issues, gives quality starts, gets and gets criticized for it. Harden gave us 19 starts. BB acquisition of Loaiza was influenced by these two pitchers 2005 performances. Harden is actually #5 on the staff since he skips turns to stay healthy. I doubt he will ever start 35 games like Zito.
Saarloos in the process proved he is a pitcher, not just a thrower, and as such, worth 20 or more Cruz's & Jairo Santiago Garcia Casillas.
Zito
While on the mound in something like his 1st 16 starts he got 21 runs of support. (I think it was actually 21 runs his first 18 games). Yet he came back and battled the next games like an ace.
On a different team with runs support he easily gets 20+ wins and Cy Young considerations again.
...Z may not be an ace but will do until one comes.
by A s Eh on Jan 27, 2006 10:26 PM PST reply actions
I think that taken as a whole,
But the season is graded on a curve, and every team has uncertainty and potential weaknesses. I feel the A's have fewer than most; hence the optimism. The key to 2006 will be health. We should be used to it--health turned out to be the key to 2005.
one small point... one big point
You can get pessimistic about everything.
They are deeper.
It is highly unlikely they will suffer as many key injuries as last year.
Most of their offensive perfomers are either more likely to improve rather than decline, or are likely to play more than the less productive players thay have replace did last year;
A fair assessment of this team-- even allowing for the upgrades throughout the league (partic. in Toronto and Texas, but overall more talent has come to than left the AL)-- has them winning close to 100 games. TGhey should have won 93-94 last year, even without the injuries-- this team is clearly better.
Has AN been hitting the Kool Aid
Yes, but...
by WWBBD on Jan 28, 2006 2:41 AM PST reply actions
I don't agree with everything you say,
Ok, so that was a bit off topic and I won't go further down that road, but the point applies to the A's too-- if we set the bar too high, we'll more than likely end up disappointing ourselves. I think there is a chance we can go all the way this year, and it's great as a fan to be able to say that, but we must be realistic about it, and understand that, as Forrest Gump so aptly states, "Shit happens."
For this reason, I'm not so upset to see stuff like the latest ESPN MLB poll that has 52% of the country thinking the Angels will win the AL West, vs. only 28% favoring the A's. In fact, I welcome this underdog status-- it takes some of the pressure off of us, and like it or not, I believe that pressure does affect output-- usually for the worse (in my own experience, at least).
I, like many, am super stoked for our chances this year, but we do need to come back to reality a little bit. It's a long season, so to expect that nothing will go wrong, no one will get hurt, and that all of our players will have career years or even that all of them will play to their potential at all times is just foolish. Streaks happen just as slumps happen.
We look great on paper, but we have to remember-- especially in the offseason when no baseball is being played-- that the paper is just part of it; the vast majority of our fate will be determined on the field.
Valid Concerns
This time of year,
that's exactly
Did anyone besides me get that?
by harendaman365 on Jan 30, 2006 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
any reasonable A's fan must agree with your post
- I've never been a big Zito fan but the dude impressed me last year. I liked his focus, competitiveness and willingness to adjust (the slider was very effective i thought). Plus Zito is coming into a FA contract year so I might disagree with your assessment of Zito's '06 fortunes. I expect a 15-18 win year.
- Beane IS God. Don't you dare forget it.
Depends on which God
Most definitely--
I give him a multi-year deal
But
Yeah, that way you can
Satan is more than willing to play outside the lines to win. God is too straight-laced.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 28, 2006 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
Are you suggesting...
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 28, 2006 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
I've got nothing
Glass half empty
Why do people get so worked up over it?
What I want to know,
You mean
All I can say is WOW!
And they were still able to slice a tomato paper thin afterwards...
Tiny nit pick
I think that this year is going to be very exciting, and also that we should wait and see what happens before we rush to announce who's going to be hot and who's not.
some nice points
by smartkidfromcarmel on Jan 28, 2006 2:37 PM PST reply actions
great diary
Congrats & admiration to BB for the great
...the baseball G*ds should be pleased
by A s Eh on Jan 28, 2006 9:03 PM PST reply actions
Couple issues
- Zito's K rate hasn't really been declining all that much. He had a terrible year a couple years ago and his past two years have been down total, but his whip (~1.2) has been pretty damn consistent, meaning his control has gotten much better, which is a plus
- Looking at VORPs and other stats, as someone said above the A's are mathematically projected to win ~100 games, although efficiency is a commodity that some small market teams don't have due to less depth. However, this year we've got that. Even if we finish at the same efficiency as last year, it would still put us at ~95 games won. That's usually solid enough to get a team into the playoffs, especially if the Angels regress in their youth movement (if they get better, then we can only hope the A's are operating with some pretty smooth gears)
- .800 OPS is pretty good. That can be anything from a .300 OBP - .500 SLG to a(more likely for the A's) .380 OBP -.420 SLG. That ain't bad. Ask your Yankee buddy what he thinks of Robinson Cano, and then ask him what he thinks of him after this year (Cano due for a fall due to pretty terrible walk ratio), and your friend will be drooling over DJ's .800 OPS. Or, if you want a 2b comparison, Ellis's .750-.800 OPS.
- As far as Fank the Tank, worst comes to worst we swallow $500,000 (not that much for a ballclub, even the A's). Best case, we're paying 3.1 M for ~35-40 HRs (juding by his recent #'s) and a .380 OBP. That ain't bad either.
Long road, I'd rather not think about it.
Surely, if we can
and stop calling us Shirley
Gotta agree about the kooky delivery
Or maybe i'm as close-minded as every scout who works for Baseball America and believe there's only one right way to throw a fastball.
by Nick86 on Jan 29, 2006 11:11 AM PST reply actions
Well said
And another thing (not being directed at you Nick86) Why is it that you make it seem like we're the only ones who have video working against us. Don't you think that maybe we've realized that there's such thing as a video camera and we've learned to use it too?
by somuchforplanb on Jan 29, 2006 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
well
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Jan 29, 2006 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
Their hair isn't gold
Davis and Alon
If I'm 6 feet, 9 inches tall, I'll probably have a son that's tall, but not quite 6 foot nine.
If the Yankees win 114 games one year, chances are they'll be good the next year, but there's nary a chance they'll win 114.
If Huston Street has a spectacular rookie season, chances are he'll be very effective but not quite as spectacular the next season.
The reason for this is pretty simple: if you have an incredible performance, everything is going your way. Chances are, next time around, NOT everything will go you way. So you'll be somewhere between the average and the spectacular self you once were. Ok, that's enough stat talk for today.
But yeah, your reasons for Street going to suck are laughable. They also change as the thread goes on. Street will (probably) be worse, but he'll good. But most of the other A's (Swisher, Crosby, Chavez, and Bradley, to name a few) will probably get better.
by Nick86 on Jan 29, 2006 8:07 PM PST reply actions

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