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lew wolff interview

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/01/22/BUGN8GOSIJ1.DTL

Chronicle has long interview with Lew Wolff today. Main points include:

 1) Site north of Coli going nowhere because landowners want too much.
 2) Triangle south of Coli is attractive at the right price because a parking lot could be built there, allowing a stadium to be built in existing North Lot.
 3) Oakland doesn't have a lot of time to deal with the issue.
 4) They want to stay in Alameda -- next stop Fremont?
 5) Not optimistic about San Jose because Giants don't need to negotiate over it.
 6) New Coliseum configuration is not a conspiracy to lower attendance but more a way to reduce security costs -- but Coli outdated in any configuration.
 7) He doesn't want Kotsay injured because of damage to the field once football starts (how 'bout that for a weird argument.)

 

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Interesting plan:
From the above linked interview:

What cities do have, especially in the area of growth, and the Bay Area, good or bad, is growing, whether it's growing right or not is not my decision totally, they have zoning rights. We call them entitlements; you're entitled to build 1,000 apartment units.

Those entitlements are the new currency, in my opinion, for cities, governments and regionals and counties and so forth.

So let's assume there is the Oakland army base, and that has a lot of demands from a lot of groups, and it's not a great location for a ballpark. It's a piece of land I think the city owns, but if not, they can get to it.

Let's assume that developers, not so much ourselves, feel that is a great housing location. Our idea might be that since it's not zoned right now but is to be zoned or to be entitled, why not entitle it for 3,000 apartment units?

Those units might be worth $100,000 a piece. It's sort of your land value. Whether we're the developer or we join with a developer or a developer that we're not associated with says, "We'll pay $300 million for those entitlements rights."

We're saying to the city, "That's the subsidy we want, but we don't want it for free. Put it into the ballpark. If the ballpark costs $500 million, we'll add the $200 million, take care of the overruns, and we'll do the land under it."

That entitlement is a value, is a currency they can help us with. So what do they get out of it? They get a ballpark, which they'll own, and we'll have a longer lease than we have today, and somebody will build 3,000 apartment units. We think it's a very interesting idea.

by OaktownTribesman on Jan 22, 2006 11:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

About the Army site
The reason that this area isn't already developed is because of clean up costs. There is a lot of old ordinance on the site that will be hard to get rid of. There is also the toxic waste/asbestos issue that is tricky to deal with as well. The property isn't attractive enough to deal with all of the headache involved. This is why they're finally trying to develop hunters point navy shipyard and finally developed camp parks in the former Santa Rita. Once the demand out values the cost and headache, the land is cleaned up and built on. The idea is an excellent one. It'll be interesting to see where they finally end up.
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by haren4prez on Jan 22, 2006 11:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

best thing mr. wolff said
"I want to win a World Series"
"you know it's way cooler to be an A's fan" - billy beane to larry krueger

by gotgreen on Jan 22, 2006 11:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Also
On the topic of revenue sharing:

That money we get, the charity we get, that money from the league, the only reason we're getting it is we are in a market where we're not supporting ourselves, so we get support. It's wonderful. If the Yankees want to keep giving us money that way, that's fine. Somewhere, that will come to an end. We would rather be paying it out rather than receiving it.

by OaktownTribesman on Jan 22, 2006 11:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

With friends like this . . .
"Unfortunately, I'm a close friend of the commissioner's."

Wow, that doesn't say much for Bud.

by Jeff in Seattle on Jan 22, 2006 11:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
That came out really funny...

by OaktownTribesman on Jan 22, 2006 11:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Coliseum parking lot is still the best spot.
And he pretty much acknowledges that.  And if the city can provide replacement parking for the Raiders and Warriors along Hegenberger, I don't see where it can miss.

Sure, we'd all like to see a park in Jack London Square or some place similar.  But being wedged between the freeway and BART has been and still is a major selling point for the ol' Coliseum, and NO OTHER site so far has that.

Of course everyone is going to try and read into what he said about San Jose and territorial rights. But if you're the Giants, what do you want?  Well, if I'm the Giants, I want the A's to leave the Bay Area. (can I get an "Amen" on that?)

In short, San Jose will always be a possibility.  But if there's been some secret deal made behind the scenes, we have a very long way to go before San Jose becomes a realistic spot.

by Rob on Jan 22, 2006 12:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is anyone missing
the sheer volume of the interview devoted to San Jose?  There seems to be a lot of "double speak" going on there.  First, he all but stated he is looking for a negotiating partner in San Jose.  Second, "I know San Jose better than I know Oakland", and sports would be great there (paraphrased).  It sounds to me like sweet Lew just went on a big fishing expedition....wonder if he gets a bite from SJ?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 22, 2006 1:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Really, I thought that...
...the interviewer was leading him there.  Lew seemed to be putting up a real fight to stay on message (the message being that staying in Oakland is his first choice and the current plan).  I don't think that Lew was at all responsible for the volume of San Jose talk in this interview.    

Lew says, "Our goal is to try to stay."  Interviewer follows that with, "Is there a threshold (after which you would be forced to)...look at other options outside of Alameda County?"  Lew replies, "We have to look at all options...and those will, at this point, remain in Alameda County."  Interviewer: "You're looking at an area that not only has a fairly skimpy corporate base...Why are you still looking at Oakland?"  Wolff: "(The Coliseum)'s logical.  It's got BART...access to the freeway system...It would be nice to stay."  Interviewer: "How long will you wait before you entertain an offer from San Jose or Las Vegas?"  Wolff: "We aren't considering offers...We may talk to the Giants, but I haven't really exercised a lot of energy on that."  Interviewer: "If not for territorial rights, would San Jose be your first choice?"  Wolff: "Our first choice is the one we are focused on.  Life is a lot easier for us.  Our next choice would be Fremont or San Jose."

If there was any trial ballooning going on, I'd say he was testing for public reaction on this entitlement/zoning approach to subsidizing a new ballpark.  It's too bad he's not a better storyteller, because I imagine that most were totally confused by what he was talking about.  

"I'm a lexicon devil with a battered brain."--Darby Crash

by lexdevil on Jan 22, 2006 3:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But Lew
alluded to the fact that talks with Oakland were not leading to tangible results.

A: "The threshold is the very one I said eight months ago: If the exciting next season starts, and we don't have a firm direction -- and this is more our responsibility than the community's -- we will have to look at all options that are on the table, and those will, at this point, remain in Alameda County"

So Oaklands deadline remains the same, but now they are at square one again with slightly more than 3 months before time expires.  Wolfe states that Alameda county (Fremont) is next in line.  Wolfe was not shy in extolling the virtues of San Jose....not so much with Fremont.  

"I know San Jose better than I know Oakland, and I think there are some opportunities there, but right now, that area is Giants territory. We may talk to the Giants, but I haven't really exercised a lot of energy on that."

I'm very partial to downtown San Jose. I think sports there could be very great for the community. But in order to have negotiations, you have to have someone (to negotiate with). The other side says there is no negotiation. I'm the world's leading negotiator.

"Would they deserve anything? It's really up to Major League Baseball. The answer is we would be happy to figure out what's fair. If we're hurting somebody moving somewhere, there should be an adjustment someplace"

On the subject of the Giants territorial rights:

 "they have a very important territorial right to them and their sponsors, and I have not disputed that. I feel differently about it, but I'm not the umpire here."

To me this sounds like Lew reaching out and letting SJ knows that he is interested.  He is also letting them know that they will have to raise a little hell with the commissioners office....but the issues are not insurmountable.  

Maybe I'm reading a little too much between the lines....but I don't think so.  

"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 22, 2006 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're both right
Wolff very much wanted to stay on message, that message being that Oakland has about 10 weeks to ante up with a site, land aquisition and financing plans.  And he just happened to have a financing idea for them.  He probably didn't want to talk about San Jose as much as he did.  But once asked, his answers were effectively "that's not on the table right now, but once it is, my good friend Bud and I will talk with the Giants about the possibilities."  He did seem pretty upbeat about that hypothetical situation to me.

I was actually quite impressed with the Chron side of the interview...the last sentence lists 16 Chron staff who participated, so they clearly mined pretty hard for tougher questions than we've heard asked of Lew.  Some of both the Q and A seemed aware of the more critical analyses of A's intent which we've seen here on AN and elsewhere.  

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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 22, 2006 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it seems to me the
condensed version is"
  1. Oakland, your running out of time...not that you had a chance anyway.
  2. Sure, we want to stay in the east bay.....how about Fremont....By the way, ARE YOU LISTENING SJ?  
  3. Need someone to step up and start talking from SJ.  
  4. Good friends with the Commish, really don't believe that territorial rights will be much of a problem when the time comes.
Did I miss anything?  Thats what the interview boiled down to in my opinion.  
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 22, 2006 9:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you missed the part
where Wolff would gladly stay in Oakland if Oakland weren't treating the A's like plague-riddled rats with boils on their butts and shirts that read "I'm with contagious leprosy". What exactly is any A's owner supposed to do if Oakland simply doesn't want the A's to stay?

by Nico on Jan 22, 2006 10:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And it could just come down to that...
"That" being the city of Oakland, and Jerry Brown in particular; feel the A's are no longer a community asset worth saving.  At least for what it would take for them to do so.

Remember, it's the voting citizens of OAKLAND these politicos have to answer to.  Not the citizens of San Leandro, Fremont, Walnut Creek and wherever else the bulk of our fans come from.

I think it's very fair to say that 2/3 of the residents WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS care more about jobs, crime, and schools more than anything else.More than that, they probably can't even afford to go to a game(or at least think they can't)

You get those people to change their minds, and you have(to pardon the phrase) a whole new ballgame.

And yes, it was the Raiders deal that is responsible for much of this negative attitude.  But before everyone blames Al Davis again remember, it was the Oakland city leaders that approved it.  And if they approve another one for the A's, they're likely out of office come the next election.

by Rob on Jan 22, 2006 10:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oakland does want the A's to stay
I think you do the city a disservice by conflating inability to keep the team with treating the team like crap.  The current, meaningful governing crowd (which is to say, not including the irrelevant Jerry Brown) does want to keep the A's, and the city is working, believe it or not, to something together.  Here's the question, though:  if Oakland's offer is sufficient to build a park, but not sufficient to equal $300 million subsidy plus lucrative development options, does that mean that Oakland "doesn't want the A's to stay?"  Or just that it can't afford to keep them in the style to which MLB owners have now grown accustomed?
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 22, 2006 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I were in Oakland civic government ...
... and someone walked up to me offering me free Ebola samples (on the heels of those guys in silver & black who gave me syphilis and charged me for it), I'd treat them like much worse than a leper.

Wolff's "creative" land-use schemes strike me as precisely that: creative schemes.

Wolff has every right to make as much money as he wants -- and the City of Oakland has a right to protect the financial interests of its citizens. Wolff hasn't suggested anything I've seen that satisfies (let alone satisfices) those two sets of interests.

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 22, 2006 11:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
I guess I'm the guy with the t-shirt on that says "Hi, my name is contagious leprosy".  You can call me Mr. Leprosy.  Wanna meet my friends?
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 23, 2006 10:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bite?
San Jose has long swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker. SJ recently purchased alot of land in a prime spot for a ballpark. The mayor really wants to bring an MLB team to his city.

by OaktownTribesman on Jan 22, 2006 4:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't sound good for an Oakland stadium
He seems very pessimistic about the A's chances of getting a stadium done there.  Fremont seems more and more possible.

Rob makes a good point about the Giants' stance on this issue--the best thing that can happen for them is the A's going to Sacramento, Vegas or Portland.  So even if they can't block a change of territorial rights, the Giants might try and make it expensive enough so that an out-of-area site makes more financial sense for the A's.

A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Jan 22, 2006 1:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree that
this is bad news for Oakland.  But it follows a consistent pattern.  I fully believe SJ has always been the primary target for Wolfe.  It has far too much in the way of demographics going for it to make me beleive otherwise.  To me it seems that Wolfe is creating coencentric rings until they branch out far enough to encompass SJ.  Can't get a deal done with Oaktown? Fine, how about Alameda county? Fremont no good?  Well, how about the greater bay area?  Territorial rights?  Say, doesn't Mcgowan have a hard time making those strokes on SBC?  A little creative financing, vola, SBC is paid off (or nearly so) and the A's have a new home in SJ. It's all very reasonable....and if anyone gets shafted (Oakland), well afterall, it's their own damn fault....and it will be too.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer

by alox on Jan 22, 2006 2:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Coliseum or bust?
A few points:
  • The only viable location in Oakland is on or near the current Coliseum property.
  • Workable sites for a stadium can be put together in San Jose.  There is a possible location near the downtown SJ arena that was discussed here recently.  Maybe the Santa Clara site that the Giants wanted several years ago can still be pieced together.
  • Maybe there will be an under-the-table deal between Wolff and the Giants -- but rather than a deal that allows the A's to move to San Jose, maybe it will be a deal that puts big money in Wolff's pocket for staying in Oakland or leaving the Bay Area.  The Giants' "territorial rights" probably would not survive a court test if Wolff wanted to take them on, so the Giants might be motivated to pay Wolff to not challenge the Giants.

by socal on Jan 22, 2006 2:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think
#7 is a very valid argument! I had the same exact thought!!
"If you know Nick, having someone to talk to is a prerequisite for his sanity." ~Billy Beane on Swisher playing 1st Base.

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Jan 22, 2006 2:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Baseball Village Concept Isn't Looking 2 Good.
Has anyone heard how badly the Fruitvale Transit Village is doing? I read somewhere that many of the businesses are closing or operating at a loss. How can the city get behind another 'village concept' when the first one isn't even panning out?
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Martin Luther King

by sf drift king on Jan 22, 2006 3:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

good interview
very creative idea on the selling of entitlements.  i just wish something would get done in oakland.
ohio roots

by nickatt7 on Jan 22, 2006 3:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Development entitlements not a free lunch
If they are going to develop anyway, which seems likely given the history of growth in the Bay Area, the real question is where they spend the money, on a ballpark, or on some other project in Oakland (which surely needs all the help it can get). It still may be a good way to build a new ballpark, but it's not free money.
"Next year might be an all-out zoo." -- Barry Zito

by TomB on Jan 22, 2006 4:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right...
Wolff might have illustrated how Oakland can raise $300 million with entitlements, but he hasn't convinced the Oakland pols that this $300 million is better spent on a ballpark than on anything else.

by socal on Jan 22, 2006 11:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The question is....
Where in the City of Oakland or in Alameda County is there land that is owned by, or available to government that would be worth 300 Million to a developer??

As he states...there aren't many options.  

by ImissHENDU on Jan 22, 2006 5:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oakland-based companies
I'm trying to develop a list of high-profile and/or somewhat large Oakland-based companies. So far I have:

-- Dreyer's ice cream (now owned by Nestle, but still based in Oakland)
-- Mother's cookies
-- Kaiser Permanentne (non-profit HMO)
-- ANG Newspapers (publisher of Oakland Tribune and other Bay Area papers; a subsidiary of MediaNews Group)

Sure there are others. Help? Just thought this might be an interesting exercise.

by hunger on Jan 23, 2006 1:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Some more...
Either HQ'd in Oakland or with substantial Oakland profiles:

Clorox, Southwest Airlines, United Airlines, Alaska Airlines,UPS, Fed Ex, Summitt/Alta Bates Medical, Port of Oakland (public but big and well heeled).  Obviously the airport figures large in this list.  Oh, and noteworthy Giants friends SBC (which has way more Oakland employees than SF ones) and KTVU Channel 2 (located in Oakland but part owner of Giants).

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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 23, 2006 1:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Clorox Company
Good call on Clorox. Did you know they also own the Brita filter and Glad bag brands? The things you learn on the internet...

by hunger on Jan 23, 2006 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I find something kind of disturbing...
...about Clorox owning Brita. Bleach & drinking water...  :\
"You don't look up truthiness in a book, you look it up in your gut." ~ Stephen Colbert

by Poppy on Jan 23, 2006 2:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bleach is drinking water's best friend!
Are you kidding? Bleach is exactly what you want in your water disinfecting arsenal.  Friend's weekend cabin or post-apocalyptic bivouac with dodgy water?  Bleach, my friend!  Bio-agents crawling on your cutting board?  Bleach is your ticket to stopping smallpox, anthrax AND the plague!  We should thank our friends at Clorox for bringing these goals into sweet antiseptic harmony.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 23, 2006 10:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Any more ????
(sounds of crickets chirping)

by Rob on Jan 23, 2006 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Acme Cricket Supply?
  • Amalgamated Thrown-Chair Repairs
  • Al 'n' Lew's Franchise Movers
  • Baseball-Related Osteopathic, Kinetic, Ergonomic, Bone, And Chiropractic Kneading, Squeezing, Teasing, And Debilitating-Injury Unguent Men
  • Cap'n Hatte's Chemistry Shack
  • Addlepated Clown Translation Services
  • Bobby's Wrecking Balls
  • I Can't Believe It's Not a Pitching Prospect!
... unfortunately, Eric's Flyball-Route 'Round-the-Bay Tours By Air relocated ...
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 23, 2006 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your Black Muslim Bakery......
Good for a couple of bullet proof skyboxes at least!  Great for Raider Games too!

And the Hell's Angels, I forgot about them!
They could get a price break because they won't need as much parking space

by Rob on Jan 23, 2006 6:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Your Black Muslim Bakery
Actually, did you know that they do colon cleanings? Yeah I just found this out here. Yeah apparently, they see ass-ets in more ways than one.

by hunger on Jan 24, 2006 1:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Those aren't crickets, they're cash registers!
Fun facts:
  • The City of Oakland alone hosts 250 companies with 100 employees or more.
  • Teams obviously draw from the larger area; EDD reports that in 2005 Alameda County hosted over 48,000 businesses employing 671,000 people
  • The Economic Development Alliance for Business (those pinkos!) reports that the East Bay (Alameda+C2 counties) includes 23 firms employing 2,500 or more, and 97 emploring 1,000 or more.
  • EDAB also observes that the East Bay labor force (i.e. ticket buyers) includes 1.3 million people versus the South Bay's 850,000.  Over the past two years the East Bay's is growing while the South Bay's is shrinking.  Oh, and the ones in the East Bay have more jobs--4.1% December unemployment versus South Bay's 4.6%. (I refer anyone interested to EDAB's excellent monthly econ analyses prepared with UCLA's prestigious Anderson School)
  • EDD says the East Bay had 1586 firms with 100 or more employees in the latest data.  The South Bay had 1774 such firms.  With firms employing 250+ it's East Bay 453, South Bay 520.  At the 500+ level it's East Bay 180, South Bay 212.
So, the South Bay appears to have a slight edge in sizeable businesses, but it's hardly a rout.   OTOH, the East Bay has more workers (and more employed workers), and that edge is approaching a rout and trending to more of the same.

Conclusion:  there is no particular reason Oakland can't be a lucrative business market for a ball team and its park.

(They're not booing...they're saying Louuuuuuu!)

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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 23, 2006 5:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome
Nice work. I didn't really ask the question to prove a particular point... Though I desperately do want the A's to stay in Oakland, and also think it's capable of happening...

by hunger on Jan 24, 2006 1:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Right across the free way
Zhone Technologies,Inc. has their corporate headquarters in Oakland.
"At this point I bleed Green & Gold,"- Lew Wolff

by BashBrothers89 on Jan 23, 2006 4:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

World Savings...the nation's best bank...
(according to Fortune Magazine), is HQ'd in Oakland

by ImissHENDU on Jan 23, 2006 7:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

World Savings
Didn't know they were Oakland based. Nice. I had a little savings account there when I was a kid. Wish I still had that money. :p

by hunger on Jan 24, 2006 1:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Stop Casting Porosity!
I'd work for them for free, just to find out what the hell they do.
"Keep the juices going by jangling around gently as you move." - Satchel Paige

by McFood on Jan 24, 2006 9:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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