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An Heir To The King, Of Sorts

Congratulations are in order to Vince Cotroneo, the new "#2 man" in Pirandello's 3 Broadcasters in Search of a Radio Station. Perhaps Vince (is it okay if I call you Vince? I mean, I've heard of you for nearly 24 hours now) will stumble upon this thread, and might even see your comments, who knows? My question today: What is most important to you in a play-by-play announcer? Are you thinking to yourself, "I just hope he __"? What really matters? I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts...

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Always turn to AN for the news...
anybody have any links to some of his work? I'd like to hear what he sounds like!
Thank You Bill...
Go A's

by NomAd on Jan 14, 2006 5:16 PM PST reply actions  

I just hope he...
I just hope he's coherent and thoughtful. No endless ramblings about the importance of the bunt or stolen base, and occasional insight, and I'll be happy.

by MrIncognito on Jan 14, 2006 5:40 PM PST reply actions  

Coherent, for sure and
no contrived "added entertainment" value....don't try to impress us.  And when Nico begs for an autograph..."good luck kid, best wishes, vince."
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005.

by ak_A on Jan 14, 2006 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

Funny you should
mention that, AlaskaA. Unfortunately, my most meaningful encounter with Bill King was not a positive one, though I don't hold it against him. I asked both Lon and Bill one year if they would join me for an inning of my spring training broadcast. Lon said yes and it was quite an unforgetable experience to hear his voice coming through my headset. Sometimes you can hold onto 5 minutes for a lifetime, and it was that kind of 5 minutes. Bill kind of sneered and said, "No way--I don't want to work on my day off." Oh well. Definitely my loss.

by Nico on Jan 14, 2006 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I had forgotten about
your broadcast career!
the great playoff miss of 2004 followed by the good try of 2005.

by ak_A on Jan 14, 2006 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't.
But I have tried.
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Jan 15, 2006 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I am going to try very hard
NOT to compare him to King. That would be completely unfair. If he's knowledgeable about the A's as well as about the game, and keeps things descriptive while not going too far off (after all, the radio guys paint the whole game for listeners), I'll be happy.

by OaklandSi on Jan 14, 2006 6:35 PM PST reply actions  

Dear Vince
Try to be like Bill and Ken.
That's all.
Andeux

More specifically?

  1. Always put the game first, not yourself.
  2. Let your personality come through (without violating #1).
  3. Have a sense of humor.
  4. Establish a good rapport with your partner.
  5. Don't be too much of a homer and don't fake excitement. Just tell me what's happening, and let the game's emotions come naturally.
  6. There is no rule 6.
  7. Find a way to make the game enjoyable even if the A's are losing 17-4. Baseball is supposed to be fun.
  8. Make me want to tune in again tomorrow.
Bright moments!

by andeux on Jan 14, 2006 6:48 PM PST reply actions  

Excellent priorities
(especially #6). One of the things I care about most is I like broadcasters who are themselves on the air, rather than creating a phony "on air" persona and voice. Obviously, as a prerequisite, "being yourself" has to be good enough but if it isn't, a phony persona won't help or disguise this.

Overall, I think andeux's list would be a good starting point for any young broadcaster.

by Nico on Jan 14, 2006 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I completely agree with...
rule #6.  Seriously, you've pretty much nailed it.  The game dictates itself, when a big moment happens, your natural emotions will kick in and the audience will feed off it.  

Games 19 & 20 of the big win streak are perfect example of this from both Ken & the King.  None of those emotions are faked or over-done, they were perfect, which is why it's always a thrill to hear them.  If the two of them over did every play and homered us with a lot of BS excitement, those two moments lose their impact on us and would have meant nothing.  

The only thing I'd add to that list is #9: During the first year, just sit back and take in Ken's style and learn.  You don't have to mimic him in any way, just understand what he does and infuse it with your own.  

And oh, what the hell, (for the sake of a certain AN member who desperately needs an even list) #10: There is no rule #6, consequently, there is no rule #10 either.

by DMOAS on Jan 14, 2006 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

What, no #9?
Sharon must have paid you off.
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Jan 15, 2006 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more
with what's already been said. As tempting as it might be to go overboard and make a big impression right off the bat to establish oneself in a situation like this, there's no need to try and compete with the fans' memory of Bill King. Much better to be yourself, I think, and take it easy. Let the rapport with Ken develop naturally.
One fun idea aside from that would be when there's a break in the action, or during a real blowout game, to even ask Ken and Fosse about the A's players, coaches, front office, etc. and discuss. Nobody could possibly expect you to know everything about the organization, having just come here. Those conversations would likely be enjoyable and provide insight for many listeners, too.

by still bills kingdom on Jan 14, 2006 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

That is such a good idea
I hope they really do it. It's a gentle way to bring in the new guy, and a great excuse to share stories about the A's. I'm sure there's a lot of them I haven't heard, and if I have, if it's a good story I can hear it again.
"Next year might be an all-out zoo." -- Barry Zito

by TomB on Jan 16, 2006 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

please, oh please let this not be true
http://joe.siegler.net/archives/2003/09/texas_rangers_r.html

I'm praying that Mitchell's (insert MST3K joke here) comments about him being an ego maniac are as another poster characterized as coming from "an idiot whose small mind and self serving ego is so frail that you lashed out at Vince Cotroneo with unfounded criticism".

Either way, welcome to the club Vince.

------ 84.6% of all statistics are made up.

by gallopingael on Jan 14, 2006 9:16 PM PST reply actions  

I saw that, but
decided it had no credibility. I wouldn't want to be judged by what some angry blogger had to rant--this guy obviously has an axe to grind. Later in the thread, someone "points out" that there must be something to it since Vince C. was fired. Even stupider. When someone is fired, it says something about either the employer or the employee, but nothing about which one. A bunch of rubbish, IMO.

by Nico on Jan 14, 2006 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

OK...I got one...
"How do you like your scotch, Mitchell?"

Servo: "By the quart."

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by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jan 15, 2006 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

rule 11...
Rule 11: don't pay attention to Ray Fosse.

Rule 12: Ken Korach had to replace Lon Simmons, try, if it's possible, to listen to Ken's first couple of years to get an idea of how to assimilate yourself into the booth following the departure of a true legend.

Rule 13: if all else fails follow rule #11

by dpetri2000 on Jan 14, 2006 10:24 PM PST reply actions  

please no "insider" phrases...
that really came from Bull Durham.

If I hear another announcer say "Grab some pine, meat" I'll hurl something at them.

Please don't say "Say hello to my liddle freend" in a cuban scarface accent like those guys on espn always do.

don't do the bermanisms...("Roberto Remember the Alomar" etcetc)

Don't use trendy phrases that you hear on reality TV shows. People don't really talk like that.

I heard the guy on lurie's show the other night, and he doesn't sound like he's got it in him to do any of this stuff. Just "keep it real", right...?

by giambizombie on Jan 14, 2006 10:41 PM PST reply actions  

I've got some advice for you, g-zombie
kill your TV (or at least espn).  I don't have cable now (though I still get action 36), and I am so much happier not watching that east coast biased crap (half the time the A's aren't highlighted anyway and the other half of the time it's the very last minute of sportscenter).  The big plus: I hadn't heard ANY of those stupid lines you mentioned (which would drive me batty too).

"Keep it real"-- absolutely!

by Brian in 317 on Jan 15, 2006 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

vocabulary
Not that I'm asking anyone to imitate Bill King, but I'd love to hear the occasional interesting word -- but only if it's used naturally and correctly, not in a phony way.

Also, is it too much to ask that the new guy be more interested in the A's than in the Giants?

You'd think that would go without saying, but then....

by iglew on Jan 14, 2006 11:34 PM PST reply actions  

The VC era
Congratulations on the job.  I think overall, Ken Korach just sounds like he'd be fun to work with.  I'd let him drive for the first few months until I got the feel for it.  

Texas and Oakland are much, much different markets, which actually may bode well for you, considering they accused you of not connecting with the fans there.  

As a collective group, I think I can safely say it makes us happy that Texans would not bond with you.  Damn dirty chair throwers...

by Leopold Bloom on Jan 15, 2006 12:01 AM PST reply actions  

Mention the score frequently
Old time play by play guys give the score every couple of minutes and work it into the play by play as naturally as breathing.

Johnny Miller is of the old school like that when he is on radio. I hear him a lot because he broadcasts alot of my 2nd favorites team's games.

People join games in progress, they run errands and are in and out of the car. Give the score and the inning often so they can get a feel for the drama of a given situation. You just might draw them in and keep them listening.

2nd favorite team: WHOEVER IS PLAYING THE GIANTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ConcordFanSince1968 on Jan 15, 2006 8:45 AM PST reply actions  

I think Red Barber...
...made a point to frequently mention the score and inning by using a 2-minute hourglass. When the sand ran out, he'd say the score and inning and flip the hourglass.
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by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jan 15, 2006 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

A "handlebar mustache" of course...
This is like asking "What do you desire most in a closer" just after Eck left... we've been spoiled!  I know that I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ANOTHER GAME BY HANK GREENWALD!

Andeux nailed it with the rules... I hope Ken & Vic become good friends, and more laughter is brought in with the addition of Ray!

 

Jose Rijo still haunts me.

by BillyBall 81 on Jan 15, 2006 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

easy
be professional, tell people what is happening

show a small amount of excitement when the home team excels

never disparage the opposing team

by eastcoaster on Jan 15, 2006 9:46 AM PST reply actions  

paint a picture of the game
As much detail as possible.  That is what made the King so great...
"Macha, Howe...whatever." --salb918

by BruceBochte on Jan 15, 2006 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

Don't be...
... Ken ('The Homer') Harrelson, Joe ('The Ego') Morgan, Chris ('The Hack') Berman, Mark ('The Doofus') Grant, Rick ('Ol' Yeller') Sutcliffe, Matt ('The Cliche') Vasgergian (or however the hell you spell it - hey, you're lucky I got "Mark Grant" right), Rex ('One Too Many Concussions/Three Kilos Too Much Weed') Hudler, or Skip ('My Grandfather Was A Better Broadcaster After A Case Of Budweiser Than I Am On My Best Day') Carey and you'll be fine.
"In the Mexican League his nickname was 'El Coyote', which means 'The Coyote'." - Tommy Lasorda, color-man extraordinaire

by seedspeed on Jan 15, 2006 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

Yes
and respect the job that you have been given to call A's baseball.
The tragedy of life is not that it ends so soon, but that we wait so long to begin it.-W. M. Lewis

by doublehustle22 on Jan 15, 2006 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

Rule 78: Be a human being.
There's nothing worse from a broadcaster than someone who is 'always on'. Be a guy, talk to us like you would across a bar, with a cold one in your hand. Not a polished TV guy, and not an ESPN 'catchphrase' geek.

We will, in turn, pay homage often.

by Ozzz on Jan 15, 2006 3:43 PM PST reply actions  

Be witty & funny
And try to be the best everyday, like Bill did.
C'mon Billy, make it Hurt so good.

by As Man on Jan 15, 2006 4:20 PM PST reply actions  

Baseball is a game...
...not a game show. Don't be Wink Martindale.
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by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Jan 15, 2006 6:28 PM PST reply actions  

Advice for Vince?
I think Steve Martin said it best...

"Be courteous, kind and forgiving,
Be gentle and peaceful each day,
Be warm and human and grateful,
And have a good thing to say.

Be thoughful and trustful and childlike,
Be witty and happy and wise,
Be honest and love all your neighbors,
Be obsequious, purple and clairvoyant.

Be pompous, obese, and eat cactus,
Be dull and boring and omnipresent,
Criticize things you don't know about,
Be oblong and have your knees removed.

Be tasteless, rude and offensive,
Live in a swamp and be three-dimensional,
Put a live chicken in your underwear,
Get all excited and go to a yawning festival."

Words all of us could learn something from.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Jan 15, 2006 6:30 PM PST reply actions  

And, of course,
make sure you know from which side of the plate Julio Franco generally bats.

by Nico on Jan 15, 2006 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

OK, I'll bite...
and just who will ascertain from which side of the plate Nico bats?

(sorry, bro.)

Can't wait till Spring Training!

Thank You Bill...
Go A's

by NomAd on Jan 15, 2006 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Via Catfish Stew
http://catfishstew.baseballtoaster.com/archives/312510.html
2.   johnny mostil
I'm a longtime D/FW resident.

Cotroneo got fired here because Rangers owner Tom Hicks didn't think he was enough of a blatant homer. He's a professional, and you'll like him OK.

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Jan 15, 2006 11:40 PM PST reply actions  

Three Points
1. A voice that doesn't annoy.

Silky, deep, scratchy... whatever. As long as it doesn't get in the way.

2. Cadence.

Fosse doing play-by-play is a good example of poor cadence. Love his color work though.

3. An ability to build tension properly.

#3 is the one that gets me with most announcers. Bill King and Lon Simmons really spoiled me growing up, because there was almost never a play where the end result surprised me based on their calls. For example, there was never a "fly ball, left field, home run" moment from either one of them. They conveyed the tension I would feel about a play if I were sitting in the stands watching myself.

by ToddyBaseball on Jan 16, 2006 12:35 AM PST reply actions  

Great point about #2
As a former broadcaster and mentor to young broadcasters, I always focused a lot on cadence. Nothing separates amateurs from professionals faster than this issue, and Ray Fosse is an excellent example--a fine color commentator who could never develop the cadence necessary to be a competent play-by-play guy.

by Nico on Jan 16, 2006 9:02 AM PST reply actions  

Vince
As an A's fan living in Rangers country, I will say that Vince is a good radio man. He won't make us forget Bill King anytime soon, but when I read in the Dallas papers that he was going to Oakland, I was excited. He has a good voice and describes the game well.

Give him time, he will be different to what we've been used to, but you will like him.

Go A's

by mikeburnstx on Jan 25, 2006 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

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