AN,should foolshgame22 pay up? With Poll
First of all, i'd like to thank the A's and AN for a great season of baseball. In April I predicted a 84-86 win season for the boys in green/gold but they far exceeded my expectations with their general level of play and courage. I believe this ball club is VERY close to getting back into the playoffs....and then, well, everything is a crap shoot.
Anyway, the reason for this diary is simple. Many on AN will know a certain lovable loudmouth who had (has) a strong manlove for a certain player currently sitting on the bench in Baltimore. We here on AN, have had to endure countless comments from foolshgame22 re: byrnes and his "greatness". Reading through some previous exchanges between foolsh and some AN memebers is truly entertaining (one such encouter between foolsh and grover was hysterical). Yes my friends, foolshgame22 was pure hyperbole when it came to that jackass byrnes. BUT, dammit, one day foolsh went too far. Too far I say!
It started with a challenge. Now, I'II admit, I fancy myself as a betting man. I can also assess odds and such and see when I'm getting suckered. But when foolsh dropped this one down, against some strong odds, i bit. (i.e. total ABs for players for an ex). To refresh your memories:
http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2005/6/24/75025/3841
Now, as you read through the diary you'II notice FIVE of us took up foolshgame22's challenge. We were commonly called (mainly by foolsh) "The Foolsh Five";
"bigelephant", "novaoakland", "JSCHWAN",
"capper3" and "nickolai".
The Foolsh Five tolerated many barbs from foolsh regarding this bet but we stuck to it. Some examples:
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/8/3/33920/63395/2#2
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/7/24/23570/3577/14#14
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/7/13/23179/7290/9#9
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/7/9/25516/89355/4#4
So, just like the season is almost over for our beloved A's, so is this bet. I believe, without a shadow of doubt, foolshgame22 should soon be paying "The Foolsh Five" $500-$100 per. Read the numbers:
AB AVG OBP SLG
Byrnes vs RH: 254 .205 .270 .327
Kotsay vs RH: 395 .261 .310 .403
People, the numbers are in and they don't lie- Foolshgame22 needs to pay up....and fast! Now, I don't know how the others in The Foolsh Five gang feel, but I'm willing to let AN ultimately decide if foolsh actually honors his bets. You've read the challenge, you've read the remarks, you know the depth of foolsh's manlove for Byrnes and you've seen the numbers. So, I ask you, what do we do...............?
EDITORS NOTE: Eventhough foolsh can be a royal pain in the ass I'm hesitating on holding his feet to close to fire on this. Foolsh does have "a little foolshgame22" on the way and I'd hate see little foolsh go without. I just wish daddy foolsh would grab some friggin' brains and stop being so, well, foolsh. If Foolshgame22 promises to take his wife out for dinner and buy little foolsh some new Nike sneakers...well, I'm willing to let it slide...THIS GD TIME ONLY!
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somebody suggested
by Apricot on Sep 28, 2005 9:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this idea the best
by Athletics fan and runner on Sep 28, 2005 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the "comments" links
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 9:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"edit diary"
by xbhaskarx on Sep 28, 2005 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bets are Bets
Payup, Foolish, payup.
by Zonis on Sep 28, 2005 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by TheO4Ever on Sep 28, 2005 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too Funny!
Foolsh was blinded by his passions, which we may have all been guilty of at one point or another. I just wonder if he would have been so generous as you with the offer, if the tables were turned.
I'd like to say let the punishment fit the crime (commonly the approach I take with my kids). So Foolsh, if you're reading this what's the deal? Do you buy each of the Fab5 an A's jersey with Byrnes' name on the back or will you buy a peewee A's jersey for your new one on the way with "Watson" and his number placed on the back of it?
Now, if you have the means to pay up, then let the punishment fit the crime.
by Gerard on Sep 28, 2005 9:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you're right G
i couldn't believe foolshgame22 basically put his money in byrnes' pocket and tried riding him to the finish line. usually, a bet is a bet with me also.....but i have a 7 year old and, well, should a child (whatever name foolsh decides on) go without because of the stupidity of their father?
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly what the problem is
by Melody on Sep 28, 2005 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mel, i can assume you voted
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, unless he names the kid what I suggested
by Melody on Sep 28, 2005 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, very close 2nd 4 me
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Melody, The whole bet was ludicrous...
It's not the 1st time in history bets such as this have appeared. Personally, A's fans, I believe are a superior sort and we shouldn't doubt the integrity of those involved.
To err is human but to forgive is...divine!
I actually like the thought of Foolsh pledging his allegiance to Kotsay and wearing a Kotsay or Watson tshirt/jersey for 2006. Also, we should stipulate that his child can't have any reference to anything Byrnes. eg wearing #22, learning phrases such as "I am my biggest fan", etc.
by Gerard on Sep 28, 2005 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if he had already given his money to
I think that buying everyone [including himself and one for his baby!] one of those Kotsay shirts is fair, just because he was the one who initiated the bet. $500 is just way to much money and kind of takes the fun out of the whole situation.
by Melody on Sep 28, 2005 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record Mel:
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To add on to BigE's point
And likewise, he had proposed giving the $ to an intermediary the DAY AFTER byrnes was traded to the Rockies. Instead of contacting us by email to finalize the trade then, he calls us out in a diary implying that we don't have the stones to honor the bet?! Come on.
I don't really care if he pays up now, and I sure as hell don't expect him to. But I would hope he would treat others on AN with a little more respect.
by nickolai on Sep 28, 2005 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NICKOLAI!!!!!!!!!!!!
doe-ray-me or what!!!! HA, HA, HA. Can you believe it?? Imagine, Byrnes out-hitting Kotsay against righties!!! It was like taking candy from a baby my friend, like candy from a baby i say.
So, what are you're plans with your $100???
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's obvious...
I don't think I've ever had 10 thousand of anything at once. Except maybe rice.
by nickolai on Sep 28, 2005 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly...
by kaweahkaweah on Sep 28, 2005 9:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another compromise solution
Foolsh has to buy six Mark Kotsay t-shirts (not jerseys, just the $20 ones you can get at the Coliseum). One each for every bettor, and one for himself. Foolsh has to wear the Kotsay t-shirt to each and every A's game he attends next year.
by jeepers on Sep 28, 2005 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i like it jeepers!
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
by lansfords1 on Sep 28, 2005 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA HA, right, now i remember
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct
by jeepers on Sep 28, 2005 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say the same thing
by almostreggie on Sep 28, 2005 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ain't that the truth
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh-oh, early returns...
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted yes
by jeepers on Sep 28, 2005 10:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well, we'ii see
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for Cohibas and Scotch
by lansfords1 on Sep 28, 2005 10:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
right on:
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got one more Cuban left
by lansfords1 on Sep 28, 2005 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
congrats bud!!!
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks BigE
by lansfords1 on Sep 28, 2005 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I remember it well
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 28, 2005 10:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Imagine if the whole site took him up on that bet!
by kaweahkaweah on Sep 28, 2005 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Can See the Headlines Now...
Allegedly, a bet took place b/w a man who had a striking resemblance to Eric Byrnes and a band of 5 individuals led by a large pachyderm.
The blog's founder, Blez, had very little to say as he was hand-cuffed outside of his N. California home. All that was heard was, "hrrrumphhmm-mrpfpfhhflshgm22mpprhh" as they stuffed a sock in his mouth when he refused to take the 5th Amendment. While he claimed, he recalled nothing of the bet. His alibi, Billy Beane, the Oakland Athletics GM was unavailable for comment.
by Gerard on Sep 28, 2005 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
very good G, very good
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
beane
by xbhaskarx on Sep 28, 2005 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to know if Chavy's dog...
by Gerard on Sep 28, 2005 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true tyler,
If foolsh ends up paying, I'II buy you two some rounds of Coronas.
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pay up, of course
But for the other four, of course he should pay up. If he were a teenager I might say let him off a hook, but he's a grown man and should treat "responsibility for your actions" as more than a catchphrase. (I wonder if Mrs. Foolsh knows about the bet.) What they choose to do with the money - keep it, return it, or give it to charity - is their own business, not ours.
by andeux on Sep 28, 2005 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also...
I think that if the people who bet with him were ready to pay up if they lost, then it is reasonable to expect the same from Foolsh.
BTW, where has Foolsh been these days?
by kaweahkaweah on Sep 28, 2005 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's over on SB Nation's Camden Chat
by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 28, 2005 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if so, he should definitely pay up
by xbhaskarx on Sep 28, 2005 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a man, let him keep his word.
If he owed me, I probably wouldn't make him pay, but that's why I didn't make the bet in the first place. But he did, so...
Pay up.
by McFood on Sep 28, 2005 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bet/Taunting
If he thinks he is responsible enough to have a kid, he should be responsible enough to pony up and honor his word.
~ Matt
by Vaillant on Sep 28, 2005 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well put Matt,
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why shouldnt he pay? He made the bets?
On the other hand, it would be a cool act if the people who beat him got together and went with the Kotsay shirt idea someone suggested..a great idea.
by OaktownPower on Sep 28, 2005 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what is all this nonsense...
maybe if the five each individually agree. even then, it seems like social pressure on each of them to do so. if you don't want your $100, just rip up the check.
but the fact is he owes them $100 each, pure and simple. he made such a big deal about them paying up all year long, this is additional evidence that the bet wasn't some joke that can just be forgotten about. it's not a "hey, the point was made, let's just drop it and be friends" situation.
where is the wiggle room here?
and i don't think he should be sending novaoakland's $100 directly to hurricane relief. send it to one of the other people or blez and let them donate it so there is a witness and the money actually gets to the red cross.
by xbhaskarx on Sep 28, 2005 12:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
As one of the Foolsh 5...
However, I think there is 0% chance he will honor the bet, so all I ask is that he put the $100 he owes me to a good cause, like buying AN merchandise to support this site.
by nickolai on Sep 28, 2005 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed Nick
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a sidenote
by redruin on Sep 28, 2005 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that even if someone...
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 28, 2005 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you'd think, LowCJoe
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the baby naming diary
by Cutthemullet on Sep 28, 2005 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Foolsh should have to buy a baby Kotsay jersey
by blueconversechucks on Sep 28, 2005 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
well, its been a few hrs now,
All I know is I'II be taking the advice of AN.
Thanks,
E
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who found enough merit in ByrnesBrain
Some posters like Foolsh22 actually believed that if Bumblin Byrnesy played regularly, he'd hit well. Hmm, after ByrnesBum left the A's, he did play regularly in Colorado and Baltimore. Result: ByrnesBrain hit somewhere below the Mendoza line.
He ain't a regular anymore even with the strugglin O's, who likely have seen enough of him. Look for Baltimore to release that clown after the season.
Foolsh, look on the bright side: yer hero can always be a brainless clown prancing a la Krazy George on the dugout of some Class A minor league team... ;-)>
by reztips on Sep 28, 2005 4:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
jesus, i'd forgotten...
by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally, speaking
It's all about integrity, not about baseball or babies on the way. And I assume he WILL pay up, so I hope it's a non-issue. If the recipients want to turn around and donate $100.00 to the Hurricane Relief effort, or some other good cause, more power to them. But a bet was made and should be honored.
by Nico on Sep 28, 2005 6:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Foolsh
by OaktownTribesman on Sep 28, 2005 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Member of the "Foolsh 5".
Now, Foolsh...I am a terrible gambler. I love winning bets against friends and not making them pay but will always pay the ones I lose. This makes for a terrible gambler. I don't think I should change my ways now.
A few weeks ago I became an uncle for the first time. I am seeing second hand what a little shit does to your life. Do me this. The kid needs clothes so I will not feel bad asking you to buy the little sucker some A's clothing and post the pics on AN. If you do that by the beginning of spring training..all is even steven. If you don't do that by the first A's game of ST...please send me a money order for $100..sucker. Byrnes, lol.
by capper3 on Sep 28, 2005 11:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
CAPPER3!!!!!!!
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by bigelephant on Sep 29, 2005 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah... but, FG22 has already...
by FoolshGame22 on Sep 29, 2005 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Right on!!!
by kaweahkaweah on Sep 29, 2005 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FOOLSH!!!!
by bigelephant on Sep 29, 2005 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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