AN,should foolshgame22 pay up? With Poll

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 9:05 AM PDT

First of all, i'd like to thank the A's and AN for a great season of baseball. In April I predicted a 84-86 win season for the boys in green/gold but they far exceeded my expectations with their general level of play and courage. I believe this ball club is VERY close to getting back into the playoffs....and then, well, everything is a crap shoot.

Anyway, the reason for this diary is simple. Many on AN will know a certain lovable loudmouth who had (has) a strong manlove for a certain player currently sitting on the bench in Baltimore. We here on AN, have had to endure countless comments from foolshgame22 re: byrnes and his "greatness". Reading through some previous exchanges between foolsh and some AN memebers is truly entertaining (one such encouter between foolsh and grover was hysterical). Yes my friends, foolshgame22 was pure hyperbole when it came to that jackass byrnes. BUT, dammit, one day foolsh went too far. Too far I say!

It started with a challenge. Now, I'II admit, I fancy myself as a betting man. I can also assess odds and such and see when I'm getting suckered. But when foolsh dropped this one down, against some strong odds, i bit. (i.e. total ABs for players for an ex). To refresh your memories:

http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2005/6/24/75025/3841

Now, as you read through the diary you'II notice FIVE of us took up foolshgame22's challenge. We were commonly called (mainly by foolsh) "The Foolsh Five";

"bigelephant", "novaoakland", "JSCHWAN",
"capper3" and "nickolai".

The Foolsh Five tolerated many barbs from foolsh regarding this bet but we stuck to it. Some examples:

http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/8/3/33920/63395/2#2

http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/7/24/23570/3577/14#14

http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/7/13/23179/7290/9#9

http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/7/9/25516/89355/4#4

So, just like the season is almost over for our beloved A's, so is this bet. I believe, without a shadow of doubt, foolshgame22 should soon be paying "The Foolsh Five" $500-$100 per. Read the numbers:
AB AVG OBP SLG

Byrnes vs RH: 254 .205 .270 .327
Kotsay vs RH: 395 .261 .310 .403

People, the numbers are in and they don't lie- Foolshgame22 needs to pay up....and fast! Now, I don't know how the others in The Foolsh Five gang feel, but I'm willing to let AN ultimately decide if foolsh actually honors his bets. You've read the challenge, you've read the remarks, you know the depth of foolsh's manlove for Byrnes and you've seen the numbers. So, I ask you, what do we do...............?

EDITORS NOTE: Eventhough foolsh can be a royal pain in the ass I'm hesitating on holding his feet to close to fire on this. Foolsh does have "a little foolshgame22" on the way and I'd hate see little foolsh go without. I just wish daddy foolsh would grab some friggin' brains and stop being so, well, foolsh. If Foolshgame22 promises to take his wife out for dinner and buy little foolsh some new Nike sneakers...well, I'm willing to let it slide...THIS GD TIME ONLY!

Poll

Should Foolshgame22 pay on his bet:

Yes, Foolsh shot his mouth off and lost- Pay up sucker!

99 votes

No, but Foolsh should be banned from AN for 1 month

1 votes

Yes, in fact, Foolsh should send Cohibas and scotch to all on AN

12 votes

No, Foolsh was blinded by his manlove for Byrnes and can't be held responsible for his actions

32 votes

Yes, let's shut up Foolshgame22 once and for all- he should pay AND be banned by Nico!

9 votes

No, let Foolshgame spend his money on his family

28 votes

181 votes | Poll has closed

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somebody suggested

FG22 should pay up, but The Five would give him a gift certificate to some baby store. I like the idea of that.

by Apricot on Sep 28, 2005 9:23 AM PDT reply actions

I like this idea the best

yeah

Kendall Haiku by FormerHuntsvilleStar, " Ball in hand, a leap,--- a veteran catcher blocks--- and secures a win"

by Athletics fan and runner on Sep 28, 2005 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions

the "comments" links

are missing the word "comments"....dammit!

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 9:25 AM PDT reply actions

"edit diary"

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 28, 2005 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Bets are Bets

and you have to keep your word.

Payup, Foolish, payup.

First time is Hapenstance. Second time is Circumstance. Third time is Enemy Action.

by Zonis on Sep 28, 2005 9:39 AM PDT reply actions

Agreed

Bets are bets - Foolsh should insist on paying.

by TheO4Ever on Sep 28, 2005 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions

Too Funny!

I liked your odds when you took on the bet, BigE.

Foolsh was blinded by his passions, which we may have all been guilty of at one point or another. I just wonder if he would have been so generous as you with the offer, if the tables were turned.

I'd like to say let the punishment fit the crime (commonly the approach I take with my kids). So Foolsh, if you're reading this what's the deal? Do you buy each of the Fab5 an A's jersey with Byrnes' name on the back or will you buy a peewee A's jersey for your new one on the way with "Watson" and his number placed on the back of it?

Now, if you have the means to pay up, then let the punishment fit the crime.

by Gerard on Sep 28, 2005 9:44 AM PDT reply actions

you're right G

love can be blind.

i couldn't believe foolshgame22 basically put his money in byrnes' pocket and tried riding him to the finish line. usually, a bet is a bet with me also.....but i have a 7 year old and, well, should a child (whatever name foolsh decides on) go without because of the stupidity of their father?

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions

That's exactly what the problem is

"If the tables were turned" I doubt you all would be so eagar to pay up. And we have no means to prove things either way - it's just easy to pick on him now. I mean, he even offered to pay up ahead of time and give the cash to a go-between, but as far as I can remember no one took him up on that idea. So maybe he should buy each of the people an AN shirt or something, but requesting $500 from a guy on the internet for a silly bet seems a bit drastic.

"I was the ugliest girl I've ever seen." - Noah Lowry

by Melody on Sep 28, 2005 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions

mel, i can assume you voted

for the last choice???

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions

No, unless he names the kid what I suggested

I voted for "No, Foolsh was blinded by his manlove for Byrnes and can't be held responsible for his actions."

"I was the ugliest girl I've ever seen." - Noah Lowry

by Melody on Sep 28, 2005 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions

LOL, very close 2nd 4 me

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions

Melody, The whole bet was ludicrous...

...but foolsh is as foolsh does.

It's not the 1st time in history bets such as this have appeared. Personally, A's fans, I believe are a superior sort and we shouldn't doubt the integrity of those involved.

To err is human but to forgive is...divine!

I actually like the thought of Foolsh pledging his allegiance to Kotsay and wearing a Kotsay or Watson tshirt/jersey for 2006. Also, we should stipulate that his child can't have any reference to anything Byrnes. eg wearing #22, learning phrases such as "I am my biggest fan", etc.

by Gerard on Sep 28, 2005 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions

Well if he had already given his money to

a go-between, I think we'd all just be like, "You know what, he's stupid enough to commit to this, let him pay up." But it seemed that no one really would cough up the cash when he asked people to bring money to AN day and hand it over to Blez... Who wouldn't even acknowledge such a bet, much less get involved ;)

I think that buying everyone [including himself and one for his baby!] one of those Kotsay shirts is fair, just because he was the one who initiated the bet. $500 is just way to much money and kind of takes the fun out of the whole situation.

"I was the ugliest girl I've ever seen." - Noah Lowry

by Melody on Sep 28, 2005 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions

For the record Mel:

There was no way I was going to fly 3500 miles to give Blez my $100 bucks on AN day. BUT i did try to contact foolsh through e-mail and explain to I have a PayPal account and my bet was legit. When I bet, I pay, IF I come out of the short end of the stick. alas, all I got back from foolshgame was crickets. It was then I knew foolsh was all talk and no action.

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions

To add on to BigE's point

We the 5 had offered to firm up the conditions of the bet via email. My email address has always been listed on my AN profile page, but Foolsh NEVER posted his. He never tried to contact me about the bet, and I had no way to contact him.

And likewise, he had proposed giving the $ to an intermediary the DAY AFTER byrnes was traded to the Rockies. Instead of contacting us by email to finalize the trade then, he calls us out in a diary implying that we don't have the stones to honor the bet?! Come on.

I don't really care if he pays up now, and I sure as hell don't expect him to. But I would hope he would treat others on AN with a little more respect.

by nickolai on Sep 28, 2005 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions

NICKOLAI!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's good is see you chiming in here on our little discussion! Are we rolling in the
doe-ray-me or what!!!! HA, HA, HA. Can you believe it?? Imagine, Byrnes out-hitting Kotsay against righties!!! It was like taking candy from a baby my friend, like candy from a baby i say.

So, what are you're plans with your $100???

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Well that's obvious...

I'm going to change the $100 in at the nearest bank for 10 thousand pennies. Then, I'm going to fill my tub with them, and sit in em.

I don't think I've ever had 10 thousand of anything at once. Except maybe rice.

by nickolai on Sep 28, 2005 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions

honestly...

I thought it was a bad move making a bet like that for so large an amount. I didn't realize he made a bet with five people, making the bet...foolish.

I sipped the Kool-Aid, and it tastes gooooooooood!!!

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 28, 2005 9:49 AM PDT reply actions

Another compromise solution

Here's an idea to lessen the financial impact that might be satisfying to the bettors, but lessen the burden on LittleFoolsh:

Foolsh has to buy six Mark Kotsay t-shirts (not jerseys, just the $20 ones you can get at the Coliseum). One each for every bettor, and one for himself. Foolsh has to wear the Kotsay t-shirt to each and every A's game he attends next year.

A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 28, 2005 9:54 AM PDT reply actions

i like it jeepers!

I wonder where the other 4 guys are???? i heard novaoakland get pissed about something and banned himself from AN. the others......?

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions

I think

that Nova's last post mentioned something about donating his winnings to a Katrina fund.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by lansfords1 on Sep 28, 2005 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions

HA HA, right, now i remember

let's not pick old scabs...hopefully nova is doing well, whereever he went to(i think i know of a few blogs i could find him on!). i wonder if he knows he's $100 bucks richer?

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions

Correct

He got pissed off about Oaktoon's Katrina diary, which disintegrated into a series of personal attacks on his part (and counterattacks by others), and reported himself to Nico for it.

A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 28, 2005 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions

I was going to say the same thing

But I thought both he and his new child should have to wear Kotsay shirts all season long next year. Because those of us with kids realize that what your kids wear is more important than what you wear!

"That dude's out of his tree." ~Barry Zito on Mark Ellis's hitting streak

by almostreggie on Sep 28, 2005 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions

ain't that the truth

my 7 yr old is a "clothes horse"

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions

oh-oh, early returns...

...don't look good for foolshgame22!

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 10:02 AM PDT reply actions

I voted yes

Because a bet is a bet. But if all of the bettors agree on a compromise like mine or Apricot's, I'd change my vote to no.

A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Sep 28, 2005 10:07 AM PDT reply actions

well, we'ii see

i notice the vote is getting even. i'm surprised.

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions

I voted for Cohibas and Scotch

After all I'm a founding member of AAN.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by lansfords1 on Sep 28, 2005 10:21 AM PDT reply actions

right on:

A quick glance at the voting tells me it doesn't look good for ol' foolsh. I personally voted for the last one, but I also like my cubans and single malt.

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions

I've got one more Cuban left

from my last trip to the Virgin Islands. I'm trying to save it for when I get married in about 18 months.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by lansfords1 on Sep 28, 2005 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions

congrats bud!!!

Hope the humidor is working or it'ii be dried out!!!

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions

Thanks BigE

You know what they say though... "A dried out Cuban's more flavorful than Macha arguing with an umpire".

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by lansfords1 on Sep 28, 2005 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Ah, I remember it well

It was a day that I was actually interviewing Billy. Since five people had already taken him up on it, I figured it would be unfair to let him lose even more money. That's why I stayed out of it.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 28, 2005 10:36 AM PDT reply actions

Imagine if the whole site took him up on that bet!

:-)

I sipped the Kool-Aid, and it tastes gooooooooood!!!

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 28, 2005 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions

I Can See the Headlines Now...

Dateline- The well repudiated on-line blog that caught the sporting world's attention for it's sophistication and wit was indicted by the FBI for on-line gambling taking place in California at a location outside of a Native American Preserve.

Allegedly, a bet took place b/w a man who had a striking resemblance to Eric Byrnes and a band of 5 individuals led by a large pachyderm.

The blog's founder, Blez, had very little to say as he was hand-cuffed outside of his N. California home. All that was heard was, "hrrrumphhmm-mrpfpfhhflshgm22mpprhh" as they stuffed a sock in his mouth when he refused to take the 5th Amendment. While he claimed, he recalled nothing of the bet. His alibi, Billy Beane, the Oakland Athletics GM was unavailable for comment.

by Gerard on Sep 28, 2005 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions

very good G, very good

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions

Nowt that is freaking funny

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 28, 2005 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions

beane

was probably walking chavy's dog or giving haren a haircut and shave (seriously, it's in the contract).

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 28, 2005 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions

I just want to know if Chavy's dog...

...is a good alibi or not.

by Gerard on Sep 28, 2005 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions

true tyler,

Both you and Nico displayed remarkable restraint to foolsh's goading.

If foolsh ends up paying, I'II buy you two some rounds of Coronas.

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions

Pay up, of course

I believe it is really the foolsh 4: in the original thread capper3 asked foolsh to email him with official terms of the bet or it was off, and I believe he said in another thread (one of foolsh's taunting "so are you guys going to pay up" posts) that that never happened.

But for the other four, of course he should pay up. If he were a teenager I might say let him off a hook, but he's a grown man and should treat "responsibility for your actions" as more than a catchphrase. (I wonder if Mrs. Foolsh knows about the bet.) What they choose to do with the money - keep it, return it, or give it to charity - is their own business, not ours.

The revolution starts now.

by andeux on Sep 28, 2005 11:02 AM PDT reply actions

Also...

the bet was also Foolsh's idea. If he can't pay then he needs to keep his trap shut and at least not initiate it.

I think that if the people who bet with him were ready to pay up if they lost, then it is reasonable to expect the same from Foolsh.

BTW, where has Foolsh been these days?

I sipped the Kool-Aid, and it tastes gooooooooood!!!

by kaweahkaweah on Sep 28, 2005 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions

He's over on SB Nation's Camden Chat

since he's in Baltimore now ;-)

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 28, 2005 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions

if so, he should definitely pay up

traitor...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 28, 2005 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions

He's a man, let him keep his word.

If he couldn't afford it, he shouldn't have made it. If that $500 is going to make the difference in his kids life, he shouldn't have made the bets.

If he owed me, I probably wouldn't make him pay, but that's why I didn't make the bet in the first place. But he did, so...

Pay up.

"HRs by second basemen are sexy. They're rare and exotic." -Kyli

by McFood on Sep 28, 2005 11:15 AM PDT reply actions

Bet/Taunting

Well, if he had just made the bet and then made no more mention of it (and everyone kind of forgot about it), that'd be one thing. But he kept bringing it up and rubbing it in, so I say he should pay up.

If he thinks he is responsible enough to have a kid, he should be responsible enough to pony up and honor his word.

~ Matt

Macha Lekka Hi - Macha Hiney Ho!

by Vaillant on Sep 28, 2005 11:41 AM PDT reply actions

Well put Matt,

Of course, this is the reason for my diary today.

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions

Why shouldnt he pay? He made the bets?

He should absolutely pay....if he wasnt going to pay, he should have run his mouth and made the bets.

On the other hand, it would be a cool act if the people who beat him got together and went with the Kotsay shirt idea someone suggested..a great idea.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Sep 28, 2005 12:03 PM PDT reply actions

what is all this nonsense...

about reducing the financial impact on foolsh or buying him sh*t in exchange for him paying up??
maybe if the five each individually agree. even then, it seems like social pressure on each of them to do so. if you don't want your $100, just rip up the check.

but the fact is he owes them $100 each, pure and simple. he made such a big deal about them paying up all year long, this is additional evidence that the bet wasn't some joke that can just be forgotten about. it's not a "hey, the point was made, let's just drop it and be friends" situation.

where is the wiggle room here?

and i don't think he should be sending novaoakland's $100 directly to hurricane relief. send it to one of the other people or blez and let them donate it so there is a witness and the money actually gets to the red cross.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 28, 2005 12:34 PM PDT reply actions

As one of the Foolsh 5...

I would just echo what has been said above. Foolsh proposed the bet, then he taunted us after Byrnes was traded to Colorado and Baltimore. He should pay up.

However, I think there is 0% chance he will honor the bet, so all I ask is that he put the $100 he owes me to a good cause, like buying AN merchandise to support this site.

by nickolai on Sep 28, 2005 1:08 PM PDT reply actions

agreed Nick

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions

Just a sidenote

its difficult to go 84-86 in a 162 game season. The only team with a shot is the San Diego Padres, and that's counting their postseason games

by redruin on Sep 28, 2005 2:12 PM PDT reply actions

wins

between 84 to 86

by AllThingsOakland on Sep 28, 2005 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions

thanks

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions

I believe that even if someone...

...were to let him off the hook, that he'd still insist on paying. He seems to be a stand-up guy, and stand up he shall...I think. I mean he really did flop 'it' out there for all to see, didn't he? Publically stepping on 'it' at this point is gonna hurt even worse, no?

by LowcountryJoe on Sep 28, 2005 2:39 PM PDT reply actions

you'd think, LowCJoe

we'ii see.

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions

in the baby naming diary

which was pretty sweet, he said he would pay, didn't he? He hasn't been back since, though...

Rock over London, Rock on Oakland. Wheaties: It's the Breakfast of Champions.

by Cutthemullet on Sep 28, 2005 2:42 PM PDT reply actions

Foolsh should have to buy a baby Kotsay jersey

for his coming little one.

by blueconversechucks on Sep 28, 2005 2:44 PM PDT reply actions

well, its been a few hrs now,

And it certainly does look good for our friend foolshgame22. I do want to say that this poll was created by me, and me alone. The other members of "The Foolsh Five" may do as they wish.

All I know is I'II be taking the advice of AN.

Thanks,

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 3:14 PM PDT reply actions

Anyone who found enough merit in ByrnesBrain

to bet on his skills--NOT--deserves to pay the piper.

Some posters like Foolsh22 actually believed that if Bumblin Byrnesy played regularly, he'd hit well. Hmm, after ByrnesBum left the A's, he did play regularly in Colorado and Baltimore. Result: ByrnesBrain hit somewhere below the Mendoza line.

He ain't a regular anymore even with the strugglin O's, who likely have seen enough of him. Look for Baltimore to release that clown after the season.

Foolsh, look on the bright side: yer hero can always be a brainless clown prancing a la Krazy George on the dugout of some Class A minor league team... ;-)>

by reztips on Sep 28, 2005 4:53 PM PDT reply actions

jesus, i'd forgotten...

...about Crazy George. Well done rez! Crazy George was big up in Vancouver at the BC Lions CFL football games.

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Sep 28, 2005 6:03 PM PDT reply actions

Personally, speaking

philosophically, I think any blogger should be banned if he makes a bet on a blog and fails to honor the results. (And I am just speaking as one of 3,000 users as I have no authority whatsoever on this matter.)

It's all about integrity, not about baseball or babies on the way. And I assume he WILL pay up, so I hope it's a non-issue. If the recipients want to turn around and donate $100.00 to the Hurricane Relief effort, or some other good cause, more power to them. But a bet was made and should be honored.

Nico

by Nico on Sep 28, 2005 6:51 PM PDT reply actions

Foolsh

It's been like months since I last saw Foolsh post around here. I guess he already knew he was going to lose the bet and decided to lay low for a while. Maybe like forever.

by OaktownTribesman on Sep 28, 2005 7:19 PM PDT reply actions

Member of the "Foolsh 5".

Here I am. Owed a cool hundy from the Fool himself. Now I lost a bet earlier to Apricot and BBGirl for a total of 3 beverages at AN Day. I paid my debt to BBGirl on AN Day. (How could I not...she needed the liquid courage to talk to the door guy to our section! ;) Now I still owe Apricot 2 bevs of his choice and he will get paid at next years AN Day. I guess this years was a bit hectic with the little one around. I am pretty sure Apricot is understanding that I am good for it.
Now, Foolsh...I am a terrible gambler. I love winning bets against friends and not making them pay but will always pay the ones I lose. This makes for a terrible gambler. I don't think I should change my ways now.
A few weeks ago I became an uncle for the first time. I am seeing second hand what a little shit does to your life. Do me this. The kid needs clothes so I will not feel bad asking you to buy the little sucker some A's clothing and post the pics on AN. If you do that by the beginning of spring training..all is even steven. If you don't do that by the first A's game of ST...please send me a money order for $100..sucker. Byrnes, lol.

"Don't you play the flute, Huddy?"

by capper3 on Sep 28, 2005 11:41 PM PDT reply actions