Who will be gone next year?
By my rough count there were 8 players long gone at the beginning of '05 from those who ended the year with the A's in '04 (excluding Sept call ups).
It is never to early to start thinking ahead to Game No. 1 in 2006. I predict that the goners will be:
Easy ones: Ginter, Rincon and Yabu
Not so easy, but gone: Hatteberg, Kielty, Melhouse and Witasick
Difficult to say good bye to, but till gone: NONE
For a total of 7 players.
Oh, I almost forget: Ken Macha will also be gone, and will be comuting to work from his home for 81 games next year.
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Leaving Players...
Dotel
Witasick
Hatteberg
Payton
Rincon
Ginter
Melhuse
Kielty
Yabu
by Zonis on Sep 21, 2005 12:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
The most curious name not mentioned is Zito.
by carp on Sep 21, 2005 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers
I don't see both Payton and Kielty being gone-- one or the other instead.
by oaktoon on Sep 21, 2005 12:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy stays, Cruz gone
Kielty would be a nice platoon player against lefties ONLY.
by china bob on Sep 21, 2005 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How are we gonna get rid of Ginter?...
by vignette17 on Sep 21, 2005 12:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait for BB's winter follies.
by china bob on Sep 21, 2005 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I for one
by apocalyptica on Sep 21, 2005 2:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Zito, Chavez, and...
by LowcountryJoe on Sep 21, 2005 5:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha...ridiculous
by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2005 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
... and ...
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2005 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i expect dotel back...
plus, i'm not expecting "foolish" back either...he'ii soon been paying up big time or we'ii never hear from him again.
by bigelephant on Sep 21, 2005 6:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dotel isnt playing for free or for real cheap...
by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2005 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what he could do
by Cutthemullet on Sep 21, 2005 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude,
by bigelephant on Sep 21, 2005 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Witasick (likes it here and will re sign)
Dotel (play for cheap)
Ginter (next years Kielty)
Either Kielty or Payton. Payton has a 4 million option, Kielty is in Arby i think. Beane will choose one of them. If he pulls a trade for Carlos Lee (please billy!) then both are gone i think. Kielty, Cruz and Jason Windsor? What do you think Brewers?
Leaving:
Hatty
Rincon
Yabu
Durazo
Melhuse
Now, there are a few options. Like re signing Durazo on the cheap as our DH again, and choosing between Kielty and Payton.
If we resign witasick and Dotel. Boy oh boy, look at this pen.
Long relief: Sarloos/Kennedy (whichever is not starting. Sarloos probably starts)
Middle Relief: Witasick, Calero, Duke
Set up: Dotel, Duke Calero, Witasick
Lefty: Ron Flores
Closer: Street
Oh boy!
I can't wait until wintertime either! Thats not to say that i'd rather just skip the rest of the season....
by ohad on Sep 21, 2005 6:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty close to what I'd do.
2B Ellis
C Kendall
3B Chavez
DH Lee
CF Kotsay
SS Crosby
1B DJ
LF Payton
RF Swisher
Less pressure on Croz, Swish, and DJ this way. I'd bring back Durazo on the cheap. He provides LH power off the bench, and if any of the OF's or DJ need a day off Durazo's the DH and Lee plays LF. Payton covers for Swish or Kots and Swish covers DJ. Ginter, Scoot, and Melhuse or Brown round out the bench.
Zito
Harden
Blanton
Haren
Kennedy
Saarloos "Long Relief/Groundball Machine"
Flores "Lefty"
Dotel "Mopup/Middle Relief"
Duke, Calero, and Witasick "Middle Relief/Setup"
Street "Lights out"
If Durazo regains his form, we either have a strong bench or trade him for solid talent. As much as I would like to see Barton and Ethier soon, we might as well try something else first and give them a little more time.
by gatling on Sep 21, 2005 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Lee
by Cutthemullet on Sep 21, 2005 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think he provides
The Brewers lose offense in Lee and Overbay, but it's likely to be made up by Fielder, Hart, a full year of Rickie Weeks, and a better year by JJ Hardy. That doesn't include whomever they could pickup at 3B.
by gatling on Sep 21, 2005 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers' 3B...and C
Come to think of it, if they need to make room for Fielder at 1B and this guy Hart, with whom I'm only vaguely familiar, at corner OF, and with Damian Miller playing maybe one more year for them, I wonder about a Kendall + prospect(s) for Jenkins + Overbay type deal (doubt Lee could replace either)...thoughts?
by Cutthemullet on Sep 21, 2005 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, maybe not.
by gatling on Sep 21, 2005 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They arent trading Carlos Lee..
by OaktownPower on Sep 21, 2005 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Ginter
- Ellis, obviously, has won the starting job back. He's really not an injury risk, and he'll likely play 150+ games next year. His backup will be Marco Scutaro, because he's versatile and can play an adequate shortstop---which he's likely to have to do at some point next year.
- Despite Ginter's crappy year, he has too much of a track record to be a sixth infielder--he'd never play. Plus, I believe he's eligible for arby, and I can't imagine the A's paying anything more than the minimum for a sixth infielder--unless he's an experienced veteran.
- Ginter wants out bad. He's said so--and I think Beane will oblige. He won't get much for him--but he didn't really give up much so who cares. Ginter is different from Kielty because the A's had more of an opening in the outfield this year than they will in the infield next year.
by Alien on Sep 21, 2005 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by dylantravis on Sep 21, 2005 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to LA not of A, perhaps
by Cutthemullet on Sep 21, 2005 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
And I think Ginter will be in the final year of a deal he initially signed with the Brewers.
by Sharon on Sep 21, 2005 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
by Alien on Sep 21, 2005 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
- Ginter's under contract for next year
- His '06 contract is reasonable if he's actually given PT
- Ginter cost us Lehr & Cruz -- which I wouldn't exactly call cheap
- Beane doesn't trade guys when they're at their lowest perceived trade value
- If he gets any amount of PT, he'll almost certainly bounce back and give us some decent ABs
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2005 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
re
I agree that Beane doesn't generally trade guys at their lowest value--but if he doesn't get any playing time, how is the value going to go up?
by Alien on Sep 21, 2005 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Ginter is our DH.
The only way his value rises is if he produces at the plate. Everyone knows that his defense is crap and will likely stay crappy.
by Sharon on Sep 21, 2005 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just
As for him being the DH, thats a possibility although if Durazo is healthy by spring he'd almost certainly be a better option.
by Alien on Sep 21, 2005 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Durazo also.
by Sharon on Sep 21, 2005 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy
by dylantravis on Sep 21, 2005 9:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Bocachica ...
Ellis
Kotsay
Kent
Chavez
Crosby
Johnson
Payton
Swisher
Kendall/Melhuse
With that lineup there is still room for a young guy (Ethier, Barton, Rouse) to make the team out of spring training, sign Kielty, or carry 13! pitchers, which leaves some options.
The only problem I see with this is that Kent and Payton may bust the budget. The answer to that is that is true, but only for one year, which may be workable. It still keeps the plans intact for 2007, when the young guys are in their prime.
by iceplant on Sep 21, 2005 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
trading for Kent
by Cutthemullet on Sep 21, 2005 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey "mullet":
by bigelephant on Sep 21, 2005 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he looked lost
by Cutthemullet on Sep 21, 2005 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but Saturday football was decent
by Cutthemullet on Sep 21, 2005 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks,
thanks again.
by bigelephant on Sep 21, 2005 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you didn't miss much
by Cutthemullet on Sep 21, 2005 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
by doublehustle22 on Sep 21, 2005 12:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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