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Ambiguity on AN: New Community Guidelines

For the past few months as AN has grown to traffic proportions beyond my wildest dreams, there have been some growing pains to go along with it.

Several people have questioned the community guidelines and said that there was a lot of gray area.

Well, I've set out to change that and also change the procedure for reporting complaints.  Together with an AN subcommittee, we've developed a new set of community guidelines (notice the new link in the menu) to try and clarify my position on everything from personal attacks to just having a general respect for your fellow ANer.

The AN subcommittee was formed out of a couple of things:  first, longevity on the site and a clean track record in terms of personal attacks.  Second, I used the newly instituted rating system and chose people with good ratings.

Why would I create a subcommittee you ask?  The truth is that I realized recently that I've often spent more time trying to respond to the insane amount of email I get instead of working on the site quality.  I need to somehow lighten that load.  Instead of emailing me with complaints or reporting of community guideline violations, I ask that you email the AN subcommittee in the future at cgv@athleticsnation.com.  The subcommittee will be reviewing each and every complaint or report of a Community Guidelines violation (thus cgv in the email address).  The subcommittee will serve mostly as a filter.  I will ultimately have the final decision.

The goal for all of this is to make AN a welcome place for all A's fans and have a clear set of rules.  Of course, AN will always get the inevitable troublemaker that surfaces whenever Internet anonymity is in play and in that case, I will use my discretion accordingly.

When I created AN, my goal was to have a place where we could celebrate our Athletics in our OWN online sports bar.  But even sports bars have rules.  This isn't Thunderdome.  We just finally took the time to make these rules more clear.

In the future, if you believe someone has committed a community guidelines violation, please email cgv@athleticsnation.com and be assured that it will be considered.  Please don't email me with complaints or concerns directly.

Thanks.  My hope is that I can spend more time in the future working on interviews instead of playing community monitor.

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nice guidelines
AN is a wonderful site.  Thanks Blez!!!
The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.

by JJ on Aug 5, 2005 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

oh
and congrats on having over 3000 registered on the site!!!
The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.

by JJ on Aug 5, 2005 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

no
but I think it eminently fair to all involved that we would know that-- shouldn't be any problem with it?
oaktoon

by oaktoon on Aug 5, 2005 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do agree with you on this one.
I think we should know who these people are.  Maybe we could have yearly votes on who the sub-comittee members are....this would be a very democratic method moving forward.
Now THIS is Billy Ball

by Masaryk on Aug 5, 2005 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

But don't forget
AN is not a democracy.  And I have no problem with that.

And why do we need to know who's on the subcommittee?  They are trusted by Blez and they are trusted by the site (through the comment ratings).

by nickolai on Aug 5, 2005 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, you don't have a right to know
As a moderator on another large site, with similar issues, it appears, I'm sure that committee members who out themselves will start getting a ton of crap from disgruntled ANers or trolls.  It's a real disincentive to being a committee member in the first place.

I like the rules, fwiw.

I sipped the Kool-Aid, and it tastes gooooooooood!!!

by kaweahkaweah on Aug 5, 2005 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

i was gunna ask that...
then i realized that people would begin hating those in the subcommitte when they got violations.

So, we'll put this one up to Blez to see if he tells.

let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

the a's fan lj community.

by Jjjsixsix on Aug 5, 2005 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

End the dictatorship, elect me for subcommittee!!!
As a member of the subcommittee, I feel I will justly interpret the bylaws and not legislate from the bench... oops, I think I am breaking one of the rules!
The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.

by JJ on Aug 5, 2005 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

New thread mojo for CGV committee member!
It's tough out there, Pootie. You got drugs ... crime ... gorillas ...

by monkeyball on Aug 5, 2005 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suggest
that you do it strictly by post count.
Andre Ethier: The One.

by tblazrdude on Aug 5, 2005 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah
that way, when I make personal attacks, I know who to avoid... ;)
RFB

by Tim J on Aug 5, 2005 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Subcommittee
that I was not contacted to be a part of the AN subcommittee means I need to get my priorities straight and spend more time on AN. Obviously, two hours a day isn't cutting it.

The rules are becoming complex, but as you say, the site is growing fast. I've been impressed the past week or so that the number of diaries has been curtailed a bit. I think ideas like the "daily link dump" are fantastic and really help out.

Celebrate good times, come on!

by gojohn10 on Aug 5, 2005 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Free Speech
is a good thing...

I think people who want to move my Athletics out of Oakland and to some bush-league (pun intended) city like: Sacramento or Fremont, should write letters to bud selig, to get a expansion team.

by GrewUpAtTheColiseum on Aug 5, 2005 1:23 PM PDT reply actions  

limited diaries!
"A user may not post more than 2 diaries in a given day. "

very cool.  Is this enforced by software or by mods manually?

Also when is the cut off point?  12am midnight?

so I could post 4 diaries right quick in a row from 11:59pm-12:01am?

Just kiddin!

Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 5, 2005 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

So through great interviews
We have seen that Billy Beane and Mr Wolf both read AN are they not protected from cirticism.

If Ratto reads here is he protected. Is Joe Morgan protected? IS Ken Macha Protected?

If you can not use language on AN that one could use on the street in front of a police officer I think this site is in big trouble!!!!!

by novaoakland on Aug 5, 2005 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I would like to make a formal complaint.
In the diary Stringently Gobbledygook or whatever it was called, GnGG made a CLEAR attack on GnGG.  Attacking physical appearance and calling each other HIGHLY offensive names (especially to females).  Is there not a higher crime?

Are schizo's allowed to break AN violations by attacking their other personalities?

Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 5, 2005 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

This is insulting to persons with schizophrenia
Schizophrenia is not multiple-personality disorder (which itself is a heuristic that is much debated in the psychiatric community).
It's tough out there, Pootie. You got drugs ... crime ... gorillas ...

by monkeyball on Aug 5, 2005 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

having read the Free Speech section
of the new "Community Guidelines", I'll say right here and now that there could be a lot of gray area. On every point. One person's ethnic slur is another's dark humor (no pun intended!) Kind of like a moving strike zone, you know what I mean?

2 diaries per day-- even though it might throttle me back-- I can live with. But the free speech stuff is a slippery slope. This is all way too much Big Brother for my taste.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Aug 5, 2005 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I would not worry about it
Community policing is the best kind of policing there is, and I think the new rules will just serve as a reminder to people that they should help the site by policing themselves.  I doubt that the sub-committee will be required to do step in very often.

Viva AN!

Fearing Mecir since 2000.

by salb918 on Aug 5, 2005 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

The subpart about electrical
shocks delivered to a culpable person's keyboard seems harsh.
Royale with cheese. (resubscribed to cable recently)

by ak_A on Aug 5, 2005 1:41 PM PDT reply actions  

comerical implications.
Blez some were in the past cirtical of AN's move to a more comerical site. (I fully supported the move) and think the site and the sportsblog community as a whole have benefited.

This move though shows you do not care about comerical success, because this will clearly hurt you.

by novaoakland on Aug 5, 2005 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

do you mean
'commercial' and 'critical'?
i've got no problem with the commercial-ad campaigns on AN. But, if I interpret you correctly, you mean that commercial success will hurt Blez and therefore AN? there's no where to go but up, baby! like the athletics are doing now.
well, i can't see this KC game, but we bet greinke last year.

by brothersky on Aug 5, 2005 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Misspelled the words
But I am saying the opposite of you implication. I think the site was headed in a great direction. Clearly this is a drastic change. Not sure it is the right change at this point.

by novaoakland on Aug 6, 2005 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blez, good move
I think established rules combines with community policing is appropriate at this time.  These guidlines are far from "BIG BROTHER" tactics.
Now THIS is Billy Ball

by Masaryk on Aug 5, 2005 1:48 PM PDT reply actions  

re: Community Guidelines
After much consultation with my legal representatives and agents, I would like to state I have never, ever knowingly used language or posted diaries contrary to the Community Guidlelines. If I have done so, I would like to say, I have no idea this happened. I would like to apologize to AthleticsNation, my fans, my family and to baseball fans everywhere. Again, I have no idea how this has happened but I have every reason to believe it will never, ever happen again. This will be the last time I speak about this issue.

BigElephant

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Aug 5, 2005 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

"I'm not here...
to talk about the past." -MM
Picker of Nits since '63. Or so I thought until I discovered AN. Now I feel like a nitpiker.

by McFood on Aug 5, 2005 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Poor Mark :-(
We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Aug 5, 2005 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eau contraire...
Big Mac is a very wealthy individual. And if he ever becomes poor, he could make a mint just selling memorabilia, or his body parts.

Why, I heard that one of his balls sold for millions...

Picker of Nits since '63. Or so I thought until I discovered AN. Now I feel like a nitpiker.

by McFood on Aug 5, 2005 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

You smell different ...
... it must be the Eau contraire you are wearing ...
It's tough out there, Pootie. You got drugs ... crime ... gorillas ...

by monkeyball on Aug 5, 2005 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read in Canseco's book ...
... that he and Jose would sneak into a stall and use a wireless device to log on to AN and post offensive messages to each other ...
It's tough out there, Pootie. You got drugs ... crime ... gorillas ...

by monkeyball on Aug 5, 2005 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easy "monkeyball", or...
...I'II see you in a court of law. You have no idea what Jose and I were doing in that bathroom stall! STOP speculating!!! It does no one any good and only reported to "The Committee".

"One day, it will happen like this. One day you'II be on AN, day like this. And someone you know, someone close to you, will ask you a question. Any old question....and...

We're not dunderheads here...

by bigelephant on Aug 5, 2005 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

You won't see me ...
... because I'm intangible!
It's tough out there, Pootie. You got drugs ... crime ... gorillas ...

by monkeyball on Aug 5, 2005 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Folks
The goal of this isn't to make AN a police-state like you are all claiming it will be.  They will only be dealing with emails regarding reports of CGV and taking that responsibility off my plate.

It dawned on me that I needed it when I was preparing questions for interviews and I had to take a lot of time away from that by responding to multiple complaint emails.  My goal is to always make AN a better place for everyone and everything I do is to attempt to do that.

And I believe it's better for the subcommittee to remain anonymous to make sure that people don't just try and email them directly on matters (I know most probably wouldn't, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't happen).  That was NOT the goal of setting this up.  The rating system was set up for this purpose.  As long as you keep rating people, you are, in essence, choosing the subcommittee.

I'm sorry several of you feel like I'm being Big Brotherish, but the truth is that before it was only my eyes that were judging community violations.  Now, you'll have four sets of eyes plus mine looking at complaints.  To me, it's a hell of a lot more democratic.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 5, 2005 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Omigod!
OK, if I EVER said anything bad about anyone's hair, I am so, so sorry! Like Staci, I totally know you can't help it, and Brandi, I'm sure that style was in at some point. So best friends 4 life, all of you, ok? Byeee!!!

-Cindi

Nico

by Nico on Aug 5, 2005 2:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Forget it Cindi.
I've already reported you to CGV to have you banned, expelled from school, and (if possible) eaten by a three-headed toad.
Fearing Mecir since 2000.

by salb918 on Aug 5, 2005 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait...
is that a CGV?
let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

the a's fan lj community.

by Jjjsixsix on Aug 5, 2005 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well the joke's on you,
'cause I hardly ever go to school anyway!

-Cindi

Nico

by Nico on Aug 5, 2005 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha ha
Touche, Cindi.  I never thought you'd outsmart me...or, anyone, for that matter...but, you got me.
Fearing Mecir since 2000.

by salb918 on Aug 5, 2005 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Blez Unfair to Thunderdome..
Thunderdome had rules, in particular "Bust a Deal, Face the Wheel."

by calvin @ Athletics Nation on Aug 5, 2005 3:00 PM PDT reply actions  

All I want to know
is if I can still make fun of Joe Morgan.
No, I do not want to FIRE MACHA NOW, nor do I think Blanton is fat. Now leave me alone.

by pbruins92 on Aug 5, 2005 3:10 PM PDT reply actions  

viva moneyball!
down with joe, great player that he was.
read the book, idiot.

by brothersky on Aug 5, 2005 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also
"My Chihuahua knows more about baseball than you do,"

What if happen to be the owner of an literate Chihuahua who has read Moneyball a dozen times and has a membership to BP and can calculate a player's VORP in his head?

No, I do not want to FIRE MACHA NOW, nor do I think Blanton is fat. Now leave me alone.

by pbruins92 on Aug 5, 2005 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Then I would say
you stole my dog, and ask for him back.
Fearing Mecir since 2000.

by salb918 on Aug 5, 2005 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have nothing
over Poochini, who has eaten the entire works of Shakespeare.
Nico

by Nico on Aug 5, 2005 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the stands......
I know I can't use that on AN, but do you mind if I blurt it out in LF?   Of course I own a wiener-retriever, so it would change slightly, but I don't want to infringe.
Furiously working on a Vodoo, Zombie, Bender beat.

by Duke of left field on Aug 5, 2005 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa!
A 'wiener-retriever'?

I had to cock my head back on that one [confused reaction].  Would that be like the detective that found the evidence in the John Wayne & Lorena Bobbitt case?

by LowcountryJoe on Aug 6, 2005 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Picture this......
A golden retriever that has been stepped on.   And, just for a kicker, he has no ears.   I call him Jimmy.
Furiously working on a Vodoo, Zombie, Bender beat.

by Duke of left field on Aug 6, 2005 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

"he has no ears"
"I call him Jimmy"

It doesn't matter what you call him, if he has no ears, he won't come, right?

Picker of Nits since '63. Or so I thought until I discovered AN. Now I feel like a nitpiker.

by McFood on Aug 6, 2005 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why do I get a feeling
that the CVG committee is going to be an running joke about the all-powerful all-knowing.  I can hear it now...

"Shh...the cvg is coming!!! hide!"
"Where did Cindi Go?  I think the CVG got her in the dead of the night"
"I heard this thread is tapped by the CVG.  So hush!"

Also...I'm sure its just a coincidence that CVG sounds like and reminds me of the Russia's KGB.

Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 5, 2005 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

No one EVER expects the CVG Committee!
It's tough out there, Pootie. You got drugs ... crime ... gorillas ...

by monkeyball on Aug 5, 2005 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

KGB impression.
In my native homeland, zee Athletics Nation, yoo don't post threads, threads posts yoo.

hmm doesn't make sense.  

Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 5, 2005 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our chief weapon is...
...surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless pitching.... Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless pitching...and an almost fanatical devotion to the General Manager.... Our four...no... Amongst our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.

[CGV Committee exits]

WhiteElephantGuy: I didn't expect a kind of CGV Committee.

[JARRING CHORD]

[The CGV Committee bursts in]

NOBODY expects the CGV Committee! Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless pitching, an almost fanatical devotion to the General Manager, and nice green and gold uniforms - Oh damn!

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by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Aug 5, 2005 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

and the spanish inquisition
it isn't.
we're here to talk baseball.
the glory of the green and gold.
who's with me?

by brothersky on Aug 5, 2005 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Add that
to the fact that AN has a manifesto...
No, I do not want to FIRE MACHA NOW, nor do I think Blanton is fat. Now leave me alone.

by pbruins92 on Aug 5, 2005 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

hahah
good point.  Who's reading me my rights when I get banned?
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 5, 2005 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

who
is policing the police?
No, I do not want to FIRE MACHA NOW, nor do I think Blanton is fat. Now leave me alone.

by pbruins92 on Aug 5, 2005 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do we really need
AN terrorists?
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 5, 2005 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

BOOM!
comment bomb?
No, I do not want to FIRE MACHA NOW, nor do I think Blanton is fat. Now leave me alone.

by pbruins92 on Aug 5, 2005 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry,
that was one of my jokes.
Nico

by Nico on Aug 5, 2005 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rock on, Blez.
Delegating is a good thing. And it's nice to see the 2 diaries per day implimented, that'll make this site a hell of a lot easier to keep up with!
"While I was there, it didn't always seem perfect, but when I look back on it I just might think it was perfect." --Eric Byrnes

by Kyli on Aug 5, 2005 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

A question to the Community Police
CP, or MP, or TP (thought police)-- what are you?

That's not my question.

Last night-- late-- my time-- I posted a thread. because it was rather unusual-- ahypothetical meeting of the brass to discuss whether or not to attempt to resign BZ--and long, I broke it into two parts. (Both of which were recommended, by the way)

So are those my two diaries for the day?

And if so, is the standard Pacific Time, or can I make a new thread/diary after midnight my time tonight?

The reason I ask-- speaking up for those of us in more eastern time zones-- is that at some point after that day's game is a logical point to make a diary. That is often after midnight back here. But if those of us who want to post then do-- then we are essentially limited to just one more diary the entire next day, whereas you guys in Pacific World can get your diary (or both) in before midnight-- and then post again twice during the next day.

I'll abide by whatever the rule is, but I do want to point out a basic inequity. i fwe go on Scouts' Honor, and post based on our own midnight the system would work much better. IMHO. Dear Community police or whatever you're knon as.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Aug 5, 2005 3:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I realize
I just argued against myself.

It's confusing!

OK-- those of us Back East have to realize that basically we get one diary during the day pre-night game, and one diary afterwards, presuming we post it before 1200 pacific. Right?

The problem comes when you're a night owl-- as some of us are-- and post a really late thread, but this is true for folks in all the time zones.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Aug 5, 2005 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking just for my own
sense of logic, I would think that as long as no more than two diaries appeared in any 24-hour cycle (whether you looked from 3:00am Tuesday to 3:00am Wednesday, or from 7:30pm Sunday to 7:30pm Monday), you'd be fine.
Nico

by Nico on Aug 5, 2005 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nico
you're a wise man. That makes eminent sense.
oaktoon

by oaktoon on Aug 5, 2005 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

From a programmer's
point of view thats annoyingly harder to develop than just a reset every midnight.  But hey, thats why we love AN.
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 5, 2005 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

clarification for me too!
If I happen to post GoG stats and a winexp graph (sans witty game recap) in one day, and I still feel like posting a diary that (God forbid) makes sense and requires thought, can I?
let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

the a's fan lj community.

by Jjjsixsix on Aug 5, 2005 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

it ain't my job
but I'd have to say no.
oaktoon

by oaktoon on Aug 5, 2005 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

solution: outsource to other ANers
I'd be willing to post as I infrequently write Diaries but check the site regularly
Celebrate good times, come on!

by gojohn10 on Aug 5, 2005 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Macha says,
"The bloggers write the lineup"  

We'll be fine without Blez's 24/7 supervision, now that we have AN's version of Young, Hudgens, Geren, Lacheman and Washington.  

Nature's first green is gold...

by prana160 on Aug 5, 2005 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Eh, um, well,
eh, I call dibs on being, uh, er, Young.
Nico

by Nico on Aug 5, 2005 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

well,
we knew you're part of the subcommittee anyways.
let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

the a's fan lj community.

by Jjjsixsix on Aug 5, 2005 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think
Cindi is a more likely to be a member. Which is scary unto itself. ("Oh totally ban her--what was she THINKING with those braids?")
Nico

by Nico on Aug 5, 2005 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good thing? Bad thing?
Blez and AN- It is amazing to me how popular AN has become, with mentions in the press, on other blogs and even (almost advertised!) on Channel 36!
And  I have done my share of telling A's fans about our community here.

I have mixed feelings about the Community Guidelines issue. Good that we have them...bad that we need them. That may just be a corollary to growth.

I miss some of the discussions that early AN used to have...I miss some of the people who used to post regularly and wonder where they went..
I laugh at/with some of the posts these days, and then scan through much to get to some posts that are more specific to baseball, A's baseball.
 It just sometimes feels that the best of AN gets buried these days.

Don't get me wrong here, I appreciate the heart and soul of AN (thank you Blez) and welcome the diverse perspectives and opinions...maybe we are just having growning (growing, groaning??) pains.

Looking forward to the KC series and really looking forward to being back at the Coliseum next week. Hope to see you there. Go A's!!!

by LongTimeFan on Aug 5, 2005 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

People really email Blez complaining about posts??
My goodness...I cant believe someone would care that much about a post on a blog site to actually whine to the creator.  Goodness.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 5, 2005 4:46 PM PDT reply actions  

best thing I've read in this thread
nicely put
"Why do they call it the 'A's Replay'? It's always just 'The First Good Thing to Happen to the A's'". ~ArakSOT, 7/14/05

by rich @ Athletics Nation on Aug 5, 2005 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

hey...
I got an e-mail from one who shall remain unnamed correcting me on their points total on one of the GoG stat posts.
let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

the a's fan lj community.

by Jjjsixsix on Aug 5, 2005 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't see anything in the community guidelines
About copyright infringement.  That might be a good addition.  All in all, the guidelines make great good sense.
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Aug 5, 2005 4:47 PM PDT reply actions  

I agree
And also, I would like to see a general rule against image leeching... I don't want to single anyone out about this, but image leeching is a serious offense and we should try our best to avoid it. If one wants to post pictures, they should upload them to their own account [sites like photobucket and imageshack offer free hosting] and not leech off of other websites as it forces those sites to pay extra for the bandwidth we use :) Image hosting is just as bad/even worse than copyright infringement. At least when you copy/paste text, you're just stealing words and most people credit the author anyway. Image leeching, on the other hand, is not just stealing pictures, but bandwidth as well.

Great job on the site Blez!! Sorry that all we do is complain and complain.

by Melody on Aug 5, 2005 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Learn something new every day.
Apparently I am guilty of the "image leeching" but I claim ignorance as my defense. I don't know very much about bandwidth issues and stuff but what you said makes sense, so I'll upload pictures to my photobucket account before posting them. :)
"A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings." -Earl Wilson

by whiteshoes40 on Aug 5, 2005 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

is this clause...
this = Note that as the site's chief administrator Blez may, at any time, choose to bypass the 3-strikes process and ban a user if he judges that a user has the primary motive of disrupting and/or upsetting the community.

Is this clause meant for guys like 3e8/JoeCool24 who were trolling+breaking up perfect games+account spamming?

let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

the a's fan lj community.

by Jjjsixsix on Aug 5, 2005 7:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Probably less
about perfect games and more about spamming/trolling. My favorite generic disclaimer is: "Prices subject to change without notice."

"A pack of gum? OK, that'll be $1,000,000.00."
"What??? It says 25 cents."
"Yeah, just changed it, didn't tell you. Sorry. Debit or credit?"

Nico

by Nico on Aug 5, 2005 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh God..
What other restrictions will occur as a blog gains in popularity?  The irony...

(I can say God, right?)

by fadedash on Aug 5, 2005 8:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Lemme see if I've got this straight...
... My planned posting in which I call Blez and Nico "poopyheads" who should "stop wearing frilly dresses" because they refuse to recognize that the A's are doomed to fall short of the playoffs because they have too many "lazy minorities and hippie long-hairs" on the roster, probably because "Bush and his war on Iraq have placed all the red-blooded American boys overseas instead of on the ballfield where they belong"...

... Is that ONE violation, or FOUR?

"In the Mexican League his nickname was 'El Coyote', which means 'The Coyote'." - Tommy Lasorda, color-man extraordinaire

by seedspeed on Aug 6, 2005 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Zero,
because two are so undeniably true that they get special dispensation and cancel the other two out.
Nico

by Nico on Aug 6, 2005 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

i guess i have to ask
which of the two are true?

by fadedash on Aug 6, 2005 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can still make fun of the
Right Field Bleachers can't I?
Furiously working on a Vodoo, Zombie, Bender beat.

by Duke of left field on Aug 5, 2005 10:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Tangentially: Larry Krueger
Larry Krueger just got suspended from KNBR for a week because of remarks that were deemed racist in his now-famous rant after a Giants' loss to the Rockies on Wednesday.

Krueger referred to "brain-dead Caribbean hitters" and said that the Giants have a manager (who is Latino) that has a mind that's been turned into "Cream of Wheat."

I listened to that rant and thought -- as an A's fan -- that it was vastly entertaining, especially the part about the Giants having the worst farm system in the Majors and being doomed to a hellish existence for many years to come. Talk like this helps turn Giants fans into A's fans.

I am really surprised by the reaction. Krueger didn't say that the Caribbean players were brain-dead "because" they are Caribbean or that the manager has a mind like Cream of Wheat "because" he's Latino. In fact, Krueger said nothing about Alou being Latino. If Krueger had said that J.T. Snow sucks or dissed "whacked-out Norwegian players", he wouldn't have been pilloried for offending white people.

Who else listened to Krueger's rant? Do you think he crossed the line? Obviously this is relevant to the CG discussion and where the line should be drawn at AN.

It's a shame, because Krueger has been one of the few people at KNBR who hasn't been contemptuous of the A's, and he's interviewed a bunch people of A's people on his show. He'll probably be nuzzled like Poochini when he comes back.

Let us not continue to debate how many Angels can be dashed on the head of a pin. Let's just get to it while the gettin' is good.

by Checkswing HR on Aug 6, 2005 10:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Awww...
now I have to go kiss my sweet dog. As far as AN is concerned, I guess the answer is that now these interpretations will be left to a "consensus" of a group of people rather than to one person's interpetation as he takes an unplanned break from interviewing people like Lew Wolff.

IMO, anyone who sees the new guidelines as moving toward censorship or "big brother"ism, really ought to re-read the guidelines until they understand them. Seems to me that making rules clearer doesn't make them more harsh, and that talking about the rules doesn't make them more threatening.

Nico

by Nico on Aug 6, 2005 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, I'm probably one of the hard liners
I've never understood why people can't just post, "I disagree," instead of "I disagree, Pond Breath."

The Krueger thing set me off because it reminded me of how the people who slammed O.J. for offing his ex-wife were dismissed as racists in some quarters.

Let us not continue to debate how many Angels can be dashed on the head of a pin. Let's just get to it while the gettin' is good.

by Checkswing HR on Aug 6, 2005 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

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