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Crazy Strategies II

Time for another round of Crazy Strategies.  This diary is to talk about strange things we should, could, or "why not?", in baseball.  

  Previously, we had the infield wall where a bunch of our players would surround the batter's box preventing a hit at the risk of their lives.  As well we had the catcher be played as an extra fielder.  What have we got today?

  Well today, I thought we would develop some unique pitching as well as defense.  Yes, we all know our beloved ex-Athletic, the submariner who baffled people as well as our screwball pitcher, Mr. Fear Mecir himself.  Well here we go...

  The Switch Pitcher
    I was thinking about matchups and how important it is to our not-yet-fired Macha.  Every now and then he would bring in folks from the bullpen for a lefty-lefty match-up as well as having bats that can hit only certain pitchers a la Byrnes.  Well, if we're going to have switch-hitters, then why can't we have switch-pitchers that throw both ways?  That would take some serious talent, but think of all the advantages!  
1.Less wear and tear because the workload is divided in half.
2.Nullifies the advantage of switch hitters.
3.Give hitters way too may looks for them to think about.
Grooming a switch-pitcher would be cutting edge but it would be worth it.  Now of course crazy strategies brings up a few questions.  The pitcher would need two gloves on the mound, if thats legal.  And theres gotta be some way to sort out the switch-pitcher-switch-hitter match up seeing that they'd both keep switching until they're dizzy and fall to the ground.  Now if we can get a switch-pitcher that submarines...

  The Ultimate Curveball
    Another strategy that would take a ridiculously amount of skill is to have this around-the-world curveball.  I'm talking about a curveball that you throw as high as heck as you can in the air, and with enough practice you can consistently land that ball ON the homeplate.  And guess what, if its going vertical enough, thats a strike that doesn't even touch the catcher's mitt!  And for anyone who has ever played, its damn hard hitting a ball coming vertically down after being 50 feet in the air.  All we need is for B-Zito to practice launching balls toward the Good-year blimp and having it land on the homeplate consistently.  Not only is this impossible to hit, but it would be impossible to be called a ball.  I mean, if a pitch is landing on the homeplate from a vertical path then it HAD to be in the strike zone.  Find a guy that can do that and we can have someone's line for the night be: 9IP 81pitches 81strikes 27Ks.

    The Fake-Error Throw-To-First
  This one is kind of a stretch.  Okay they're all kind of a stretch, but then it wouldn't be crazy.  I noticed that when a first baseman misses a throw, like bobbles it or drops it, the runner always thinks about an extra 90 feet.  Of course, if the ball doesn't get far away enough, he stays on his base, but not until he leans away first.  So what I'm thinking is in the situation of man on first, we can have the RFer play very shallow.  Then on the executed play, have him sneak behind the first baseman.  The pitcher would purposely miss the firstbaseman and throw to the RFer, or the first baseman can purposely not catch it.  The ball will fly by Dan Johnson, forcing Figgins to learn towards second while looking back to see where the ball is.  By this time, hopefully Figgins will be offbase and Swisher, our RFer can just scoop it to DJ and tag Figgins out.  This strategy is soley based on the runner "thinking about it".

    The Wildest Pitch
  This is also a crazy defense strategy to trick baserunners.  With so many nitpicks at the balk rule, theres bound to be some loopholes.  This works on the premise that a pitcher will throw a wild pitch thats so off its mark that it hits the ground 1 feet in front of the pitcher so that it bounces vertically right back to him.  As a result, the baserunner usually goes an extra few feet after the windup since he can't be picked off.  Thus, the pitcher just grabs the ball that he bounced on the ground back to himself and throws to first.  Obviously that counts as a ball, seeing that its about 50 feet from the strike zone, but a ball for an out?  Any day, my friend, any day.  This is one of those bang-bang plays.

True, I'm sure I will receive a bunch of obvious loopholes in these strategies, and perhaps a few violations of the rulebook (I, myself have never read the thing).  But, with the help of AN members, maybe we can tweak it enough for it to work for some team crazy enough to try it.  

So, have any of you guys thought of any crazy strategies?  Any of you guys see anything wrong with the aforementioned crazy strategies?  Feedback is good for crazy people like myself.

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I think I like your 'switch pitcher' best
But your other strategies definitely have merit. :P I want to see Barry Zito launching balls at the Good Year blimp and see what happens. Then again, I want to see Harden do it, too, and see if he punches a hole in the blimp.

"Okay, Harden, you just aim for the blimp and throw hard. Your aim is for the ball to come down ON homeplate."

"On homeplate, eh? Well, we'll give it a try." FASTBALL

POW!!!!!

"Oooops....I guess the fact it's falling is a bad thing, eh?"

by Squeaky on Aug 3, 2005 3:37 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hahaha...
Wheres the ball???!@!!! I'm covered by a huge white Blanket!!!!  
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 8:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...
Did I hit the plate, Ken? I can't see, eh?

by Squeaky on Aug 3, 2005 8:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ever heard of the ephus pitch?
It is not too unlike your SUPER DUPER CURVE BALL!!!

It probably originated from thinking along the same lines as yours.

The last two people I saw throw it LIVE were Don Sutton and Phil Niekro.

And Carlos Pena looked like he was stoned on acid! - Bill King

by saint on Aug 3, 2005 3:47 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What happened
when they threw it?  not practical was it...
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 3:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a sucker pitch:
They'd try and get the hitters to swing at it and mess up thier timing. Pop ups were common, but, I also remember Jose Canseco taking one deep!!!
And Carlos Pena looked like he was stoned on acid! - Bill King

by saint on Aug 3, 2005 4:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

El Duque used to
throw an eephus every so often.  In 2002, he got A-Rod to swing and miss at one.  A-Rod timed the next one and hit it out of park.

Ted Williams, if I'm not mistaken, hit an eephus pitch for a home run in an all-star game.

Fearing Mecir since 2000.

by salb918 on Aug 3, 2005 4:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2002
16-inning marathon of a game. Huddy versus El Duque.

El Duque throws Chavy an eephus pitch that I will never forget. Chavy is so far out in front of it he could almost pick up his front foot twice before the pitch got to the plate. Chavy struck out, but the pitch was a thing of beauty.

by Jennifer on Aug 3, 2005 5:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It worked.
The problem is that the time differential is so big (the pitch is so slow) that even if you trick the batter, he often has enough time to check his swing, then set up again and smack the tar out of it.

It only really works if you really trick the batter so that he makes a full swing before the pitch is even near the plate.  That can be hard to do, because the eephus has such a high arc that it's pretty recognizable.

by Inquisitor on Aug 4, 2005 1:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ehh..
I remember someone throwing A-rod that.  And then A-rod looked all pissed like he was insulted they threw that to him.  So they threw it again and he knocked it out of the park.  

Its more of a slowball than a launching rocket curveball though.

Also after the A-rod thing, a guy said "well, we knew he could hit a fastball, a change up, a cutter,  a slider, a curveball, a splitter, and a knuckle ball.  Now we know he can hit a slow ball."

Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 8:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was...
Orlando Hernandez for the Yanks. He still throws that crap.
The Baron Davis era has begun.

by rook on Aug 3, 2005 8:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually I was reading about a switch pitcher
he was a bp pitcher for a ML team.  You have to have a mitt with an extra finger.  I think there have been like 4 ever.  It would be really hard to throw strikes though but some have mastered it.
"The difference between Jose Canseco and Kobe Bryant is that Kobe doesn't believe in giving his teammates any shots." -Jay Leno

by vignette17 on Aug 3, 2005 3:53 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man...
seems like someone always beats me to the crazy strategy.
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 3:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

6 fingered glove
so it can be switched from either hand.

Someone in the early century tried the vertical pitch... tossed it underhand - way up high... had a strike out.

Also - a runneron first could steal HOME on your super curve ball pitcher.

by Kaybeejay on Aug 3, 2005 3:55 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ah...true.
Good point.  I guess it'd be a bases-empty gig.
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 3:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lick your fingers!!!
If you want to intentially walk someone simply move hadn to mouth 4 times. It avoids the yearly wild pitch on an intentional walk.

by novaoakland on Aug 3, 2005 3:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two Catchers
One behind the plate (normal), the other one to block the batters view of the pitcher.  Both will be in head-to-toe catchers gear (between your pitcher and catcher)

It's kind of like double tennis, so the catcher between needs to be awfully quick.  

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Aug 3, 2005 3:59 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For a ground ball pitcher...
Bring in the outfielders to cover all bases. The problem is if the pitcher messes up....

The 'fake bunt': Set up for a bunt...as the pitcher winds up, change grip and prepare for full swing...the pitcher can't stop...FOOLED YOU!

You know, on second thoughts, that probably wouldn't work. Oh well.

by Squeaky on Aug 3, 2005 4:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't Byrnsie
do that and hit a HR?  Just this year too.
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 8:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nah..
He muffed two bunt attempts, got to 0-2 and hit it yard.
The Baron Davis era has begun.

by rook on Aug 3, 2005 8:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really?
I thought Kline threw it down the middle because he thought it was a bunt.  I think it was the second or third game of the year.  Probably the second we hit 4 homers that game.
"The difference between Jose Canseco and Kobe Bryant is that Kobe doesn't believe in giving his teammates any shots." -Jay Leno

by vignette17 on Aug 4, 2005 12:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about this one:
With two outs and a runner on first, the batter hits a chopper to short.  The shortstop gloves it flicks to second while the baserunner slides hard into second.

It is well-known that sliding into a base slows you down.  The slide doesn't do that much good because the fielder need only keep his heel on the bag and doesn't need to pivot for the DP.

So why doesn't the runner just overrun second base and make the turn to third.  If he's out, he's out.  If he's safe, then he's in a rundown - at least there's a chance of something wacky happening at that point!

Fearing Mecir since 2000.

by salb918 on Aug 3, 2005 4:07 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats gotta be
super aware base running by the runner to be close enough to be able to affect them by sliding into them (Which works sometimes, and the ball is dropped and he's safe), and guess that you can't do it in time and run around second...though it'd be funny.  The guy's out!  he's still running around second...heading towards home...whats he thinking?
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 8:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really funny ideas, w.e.g.
Was there ever such thing as a baseball version of the Harlem Globetrotters?  That's what it made me think of.

The way the A's are playing right now they could probably pull a few of those plays.  How about trying a few against the Orioles next week?

by miguel on Aug 3, 2005 5:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Greg Harris
BASEBALL/HISTORY: The Switch-Pitcher from Cork
In 1995, Expos reliever Greg Harris pitched with both hands, becoming the first pitcher in the major leagues to "switch-pitch" in over one hundred years. According to the Baseball Library web site, only four pitchers in baseball history have ever pitched ambidextrously and the first man to have ever done it is also the only man to have done it more than once, Anthony "Tony" Mullane. Nicknamed "The Apollo of the Box" as well as "The Count", Tony Mullane played between 1881 and 1894 and had a fascinating life and career.

http://www.baseballcrank.com/archives/cat_baseball.php

Olympian Amil Gartenamo, world record holder in both the javelin and the hundred yard dash--only person who ever died by throwing a spear into his own back.

by Furious George on Aug 3, 2005 5:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More of the story
Stupid Red Sox

http://www.baseballlibrary.com/baseballlibrary/ballplayers/H/Harris_Greg.stm

Olympian Amil Gartenamo, world record holder in both the javelin and the hundred yard dash--only person who ever died by throwing a spear into his own back.

by Furious George on Aug 3, 2005 5:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1995
wow...thats recent.  I wonder why I dont' remember hearing about it.
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 8:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The No Homers Defense.
For power hitters with a strong tendency to pull, move the OFs deep, and switch the LF to CF, or the RF to CF, as hands be.

This will give the OFs the chance to set up a fast human pyramid / catapult style jump to catch any long-gone HR.

OK, it would never work, but it would be the best highlight ever.

"Yucky Head Bad Guy!" - my 5-year-old daughter to Manny Ramirez. She got ice cream immediately afterward.

by DMtShooter on Aug 3, 2005 8:09 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fake Balk
Chone Figgins on first, Saarloos on the mound. Suddenly, Saarloos walks off the mound to third, seemingly yelling at the umpire for calling a balk. Figgins starts for second, Saarloos throws to first, out.

Very bush league, but fun to think about.

"Yucky Head Bad Guy!" - my 5-year-old daughter to Manny Ramirez. She got ice cream immediately afterward.

by DMtShooter on Aug 3, 2005 8:12 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hahaha
That reminds me of a Kurt Warner play he pulled against the 49ers where he ripped off his face mask and walked towards the sideline seemingly about to call a time out.  THen he says Hike and the 9ers are caught unaware.  I'd be sooo pissed if someone did that against my team, the fake balk.  But then I'd laugh so hard if it was pulled off by Sars.
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 8:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Venus Flytrap Caught Stealing.
Steal attempt by the baserunner, and Kendall  completely airmails Ellis... because Kotsay is in on the play and has been running hard in all the way, and the overthrows goes right to him. He guns down the runner at 3B.
"Yucky Head Bad Guy!" - my 5-year-old daughter to Manny Ramirez. She got ice cream immediately afterward.

by DMtShooter on Aug 3, 2005 8:15 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thats like..
a better version of "fake throw to first".  You're a genius.
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 8:19 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

knowing our cs%
we SHOULD do that!
let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

the a's fan lj community.

by Jjjsixsix on Aug 3, 2005 9:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually...we DO.
If anyone remember what DMT described did happen.  By accident of course - the guy got thrown out at third.
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 9:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Except it was a pitcher
not kendall overthrowing it.
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 9:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Billy Ball... the original.
Billy MArtin Style play...

With runners on first and third the A's used to....

Runner on first would "Accidentially" slip and fall down. the pitcher would throw to first and the runner on third would sprint home - in the confusion - the runner on first would dart for 2nd.

by Kaybeejay on Aug 3, 2005 10:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fake Bonehead
This would have been a perfect play for Byrnes, but we'll have to make do.

Man on first, 1 out. Fly ball to Swisher in right in foul ground. Swish makes the catch and OH NO!... he's flipped the ball into the stands because he's forgotten how many outs there were!

But, um, actually he didn't, and as the runner takes off to take advantage of the mistake, Nick throws to first for the inning-ending double play.

Like many of these, they'd get answered with a fastball in the ears on your next at-bat, but if it's a critical situation...

"Yucky Head Bad Guy!" - my 5-year-old daughter to Manny Ramirez. She got ice cream immediately afterward.

by DMtShooter on Aug 3, 2005 10:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How would "fake a throw"?
A little AND1 basketball action there?  I think it'd be hard to trick the runners.
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Aug 3, 2005 10:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easy.
Just turn to the stands, pantomime an underhand flip with your back to the runner, then whip your head around like you've made a terrible mistake and run back to the stands....
"Yucky Head Bad Guy!" - my 5-year-old daughter to Manny Ramirez. She got ice cream immediately afterward.

by DMtShooter on Aug 3, 2005 11:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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