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Joe Morgan (cough, cough) loves the A's!!!

That's right, I couldn't believe it either.  But he hypes the A's as possibly the best team in baseball now that St. Louis has been beset by injury.  Granted he still gives no credit to our boy Billy, but hey, it's a start.

Here's the relevant portion of the article that deals with his analysis on the A's:

In case you hadn't noticed, the Oakland Athletics have the best record in baseball since the All-Star break (11-3).

Going further back, the A's are 38-14 (a winning percentage of .731) since they lost eight straight toward the end of May. Earlier in May, the team had suffered another eight-game losing streak. Oakland went 7-20 in May, including a 4-20 stretch lodged between a May 1 victory and wins on May 30 and 31.

At that time, everyone was saying the A's were done -- except one guy who e-mailed during my weekly ESPN.com chat. He said the A's were still a good team and would recover when they got healthy. That's the only guy I know of who still believed in the A's in May.

  At the moment, the A's appear to be the best team in the baseball.  
I don't know, maybe that was actually GM Billy Beane who e-mailed -- but whoever it was, give him credit, because now everyone is on the A's bandwagon ... including me!

The St. Louis Cardinals are the most complete team in baseball, but they've been hit by some injuries lately. So, at the moment, the A's appear to be the best team in the game. They've gone from the struggling A's to the amazing A's in two months. Clearly, they're playing better than any other team.

Two months ago, it looked as though Oakland had no chance to catch the first-place Angels. But the A's are proving that their 7-20 May was an aberration. Now they are in second place, only four games behind the Angels, and they lead the wild-card race.

How have the A's bounced back?

It has been a team effort, and let's start with the pitching staff. Rich Harden will be a superstar as long as he stays healthy. He's the anchor of the staff, even with Barry Zito still in the rotation as the last remaining member of Oakland's old Big Three.

After Harden and Zito, the rest of the rotation features Danny Haren, Joe Blanton and Kirk Saarloos. Zito, 27, is the oldest of the group.

This is a good nucleus, though the last three aren't better than Mark Mulder and Tim Hudson (the departed members of the Big Three). The jury is still out on those three young pitchers, but they're pitching well this season.

But the jury isn't out on Harden. He's the same caliber pitcher as the Big Three, and he'll be an ace.

Meanwhile, I've been surprised at how productive the offense has been. Since the All-Star break, the A's have scored more runs than any other team. Offense has been a weakness for Oakland since Miguel Tejada became a free agent and signed with the Baltimore Orioles before last season.

When I look at the A's offense, I don't understand how it's generating all those numbers with the personnel available. The only proven RBI guy is Eric Chavez (17 HRs, 60 RBI), but the A's are scoring runs. It's a perfect example of the whole being better than the parts.

Between the surprising offense and the solid pitching, Oakland has been winning in different ways. The A's can beat you 2-1 or 12-11. They took seven of eight recently from the Texas Rangers by outscoring them, and they took two of three from the Angels by shutting them down (because the Angels' pitchers threw well). The A's are getting good pitching when they need it, and they're scoring runs when they have to.

As Sunday's trade deadline approaches, I don't see the A's making any big deals. But the big-market teams like the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox, who might end up battling Oakland for the wild card, could make some big deals that would shift the balance of power in the AL.

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It's times like these when I wish
I still had my security blanket......
Now THIS is Billy Ball

by Masaryk on Jul 28, 2005 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If your really sacred
I wouldn't want to touch you without some sort of ritual cleansing of my soul... I'd be too scared

by RickeySteals on Jul 28, 2005 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan is bogus
Anything Morgan says about the A's is bogus in my humble opinion... Morgan is a consumate Anti-A's person.  He hates Billy Beane, He hates the A's, only talks about Derek Jeter (who hasn't done anything remarkable in 4 years)...

Anything he has to say about the A's is either derogetory or lame.

by theDyeiscast on Jul 28, 2005 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan annoys me
even when he's on the bandwagon. I love where he states he can't figure out how the A's are scoring all those runs. If he looked at a stat line for once in his life, maybe it would become clearer to him. Then again, that's too much to ask.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by lansfords1 on Jul 28, 2005 12:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly
Usually he says something with out useing anything to back it up. He does it again now, he admits that he doesn't know how the A's are scoring runs. Well gee Joe, maube if you did some research you would be able to figure that out. Or do computers still bother you because they caused Enron? Nice job Joe, you went from saying the A's are horrible because Billy Beane philosophy is wrong, to saying the A's are winning but I can't be bothered to find out why.
No, I do not want to FIRE MACHA NOW, nor do I think Blanton is fat. Now leave me alone.

by pbruins92 on Jul 28, 2005 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I give him no credit either
Because even a wind-up mechanical monkey would have to admit the A's are the best team in baseball right now. He was on the bandwagon saying they were the worst team in May and now he's on the bandwagon saying they're the best in July. Well duh, any W-L report can demonstrate that. Tell us something insightful.

So again, all Joe Morgan proves is that he's not interested in reading "that book that Billy Beane wrote" to help shed some light on why the A's are making a run at the post season for the 6th consecutive year.

"I don't care what anyone calls it as long as the umpires call it a strike." ~ Rich Harden, on his "Spluckle Ball"

by almostreggie on Jul 28, 2005 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone check the weather forecast...
Hell must have frozen over!!  
President of the Brent Gates Fan Club

by SoCal As Fan on Jul 28, 2005 12:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

joe morgan is cool..
he acknowledges that he was wrong and actually admits he doesn't understand an aspect of the A's.

by AllThingsOakland on Jul 28, 2005 1:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For his next trick:
Joe will admit that the sun does indeed rise in the east.

And we will all once again nod, saying "yep."

by Ozzz on Jul 28, 2005 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen to that!
Rock and roll around my head like a 6 string belief

by andeux on Jul 28, 2005 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best quote...
"They took seven of eight recently from the Texas Rangers by outscoring them." Gee, Joe, isn't that how you normally beat teams? By outscoring them?

by jeffds1205 on Jul 28, 2005 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Or this...
"When I look at the A's offense, I don't understand how it's generating all those numbers with the personnel available"

Give him credit, at least the man can admit that he just doesn't get it.  On the other hand, if he wanted to, he could probably try thinking outside the box and realize there are other ways to generate runs besides relying on "big RBI guys."

Although I won't hold my breath waiting for that.

by sonomanate on Jul 28, 2005 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How could the A's possibly be scoring runs?
I mean, it's not like the bunt or steal!  What a travesty.
GO A's!!!

by AsGirl on Jul 28, 2005 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

puh-leeeeze
He says ONE person in the whole friggin' world thought the A's would turn it around? ONE GUY emailed him? Way to give your conventional wisdom report some credibility, Joe.

Re-post from a less apt thread:

Pay no attention to the inept commentator. He spends his time trying to regurgitate some form of conventional wisdom. Joe has soundly declared that he has noticed some headlines on articles over the past two weeks (but has he read them?). Big deal! If the A's come back down to earth, he'll jump off that bandwagon and sling his sloppy analysis around and tell us it's gospel.

"Now there's a guy who knows how to play the game." - common Joe Morgan insight.

by eebie on Jul 28, 2005 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Loser
Morgan is worse that Ratto.

by Fongpay on Jul 28, 2005 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Since when did Joe Morgan become insider content?
That's a waste of my money!

Insider in general, is a waste of my money.

"so what was it? the pork chop or the booty???" -rly723

by secret ASian man on Jul 28, 2005 1:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Plus...
...um...way to insult Barry Zito there, Joe!
Best Coliseum promotion of the year? 2005 Oakland A's baseball.

by baseballgirl on Jul 28, 2005 1:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The worst part
is that he takes ANOTHER not so subtle jab at Billy, with the whole "the only guy who emailed me was probably Beane" thing...to go along with his whole "Billy wrote Moneyball" shtick.

by nycfan on Jul 28, 2005 2:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope
Just the first (and major) part of the article.  The rest of it discusses the Marlins, Nomar, Nevin, etc.

by bigthree17 on Jul 28, 2005 2:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why does everyone hate Joe Morgan
so much? I never noticed that he "hated the A's" till I started coming to this site.
A's Fan in Philly

by Duby on Jul 28, 2005 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Because he's a stubbornly ignorant
Another recent diary brought this site to my attention, good for more than a few reasons to hate Joe Morgan:
http://firejoemorgan.blogspot.com

The reason I (and I suspect many other A's fans) started to hate Joe Morgan is that he continuously tries to rebut Moneyball, both as a book and as an operational philosophy, while proudly stating he's never read and never will read the book.  And, for about 2 years after the book came out, he thought Billy Beane wrote the book.

by nickolai on Jul 28, 2005 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not the he hates the A's
he is just unapolagetically ignorant of what the A's try to do, what Moneyball is about, who wrote Moneyball, what statistics mean and how an offense works. Other than that he is excellent baseball analyst <sarcasm>
No, I do not want to FIRE MACHA NOW, nor do I think Blanton is fat. Now leave me alone.

by pbruins92 on Jul 28, 2005 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm...Joe..
I don't think you understand the concept of the phrase "the jury is still out on..."

Yes, the jury is still out on or back half of the rotation...which means that like in a court of law, they are still deciding about whether they are good or not.  

But when you say "the jury isn't out on harden" that makes no sense.  It just means Harden was never tried and prosecuted for (in this case) being a good pitcher.  So what does that mean? Harden is "innocent" of being a good pitcher?  You crazy sob!  If you are going to take a well-known phrase and switch it around at least KNOW what it means.  If you have to say a backwards comment like that say, "The jury is BACK on harden, and they say he is good."  

Then again, why would you understand our judicial system.  You can't learn anything by studying or READING about law.  You'd have to be in a courtroom for 20 years and say "Now there's a lawyer who knows how to defend his case.  I don't care how many times he lost in the courtroom, if I wanted to plug numbers into video games, they would spit out things to say he's good.  If you're going to testify, you have to play smallball and sacrifice a few jury members to get the winning testimony across."

Moron.

Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Jul 28, 2005 4:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe Morgan's a moron!!!!
but not really in this case.

Linguistically speaking, "the jury isn't out on Harden" in no way implies that the jury was never out on Harden. Taken literally, all it conveys is that the jury is not currently out. The jury may be going to be out later, it may have returned from being out, it may be on break from being out - planning on returning to an out state at a later point, or it may never be out.

The jury may have been out and returned a decision that Rich Harden is guilty of being a good pitcher. The case may not have gotten to the point where the jury had the chance to decide since the judge threw out the case because Harden was clearly innocent of pitching below his magnificent abilities or the prosecuter may have never brought it to trial.

Taking the statement in a literal fashion, any of those possibilities are entirely linguistically possible.

But - since this is clearly not a statement meant to be taken literally, as, clearly, their is no jusry examining either Rich Harden or the back of our rotation, it would be entirely appropriate to grant Mr. Morgan a little bit of literary license since it is entirely clear to anyone with even a quarter of a brain - including you, I might add - what it is that he intended to convey.

The next time I slap a guy's ass, can we all just assume it's because I wish I was a baseball player?

by devo on Jul 28, 2005 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we were going to
grant Morgan a literary license, half the population of A's fans would be in trouble for their nitpickings of Joe's comments.  Because I think we all know what he is TRYING to convey, just he does it in a poor fashion.  Cuz I personally never heard the opposite of that saying used that way.

Also, no need to insult me, it was a joke, or is that a quarter of the brain you dont' use?

Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Jul 28, 2005 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol
you should write for the firejoemorgan blog that is my 2nd favorite blog. (behind AN of course)
No, I do not want to FIRE MACHA NOW, nor do I think Blanton is fat. Now leave me alone.

by pbruins92 on Jul 28, 2005 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SWING... and a MISS
"When I look at the A's offense, I don't understand how it's generating all those numbers with the personnel available. The only proven RBI guy is Eric Chavez (17 HRs, 60 RBI), but the A's are scoring runs. It's a perfect example of the whole being better than the parts."

Just in case you were wondering.. He still doesnt get it. RBI's Joe? You can do better. I have faith in you. Please tell me he doesn't really think that the only way to score is to have a "proven RBI guy". Somebody should tell Swisher that he has to stop knocking in guys because he doesn't have a history of RBIs. Whatever, the A's have scored more runs than the CWS.

"In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone"

by Parklife on Jul 28, 2005 4:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that comment
I laughed so abruptly at that line it scared my dog.

R..O...F...L

by MrIncognito on Jul 29, 2005 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This just in: Joe Morgan doesn't get it
tune in at 11!

But then again, maybe he's finally starting to. "It's a perfect example of the whole being better than the parts."

Yes, it is - in fact, that's a central tennant in the offensive philosophy generally associated with Moneyball. That's what the concept of avoiding outs is all about - even if you don't get the job done, you don't make an out, giving your teammate a chance to get the job done.

The next time I slap a guy's ass, can we all just assume it's because I wish I was a baseball player?

by devo on Jul 28, 2005 4:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you, thank you, thank you....
for sharing the article.

and yes, I agree with the rest of you - Joe Morgan is a super moron.

by sf drift king on Jul 28, 2005 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I Believed in them in May
"At that time, everyone was saying the A's were done -- except one guy who e-mailed during my weekly ESPN.com chat. He said the A's were still a good team and would recover when they got healthy. That's the only guy I know of who still believed in the A's in May."

I believed in them so much that when I was in Vegas in the beginning of June, I put down $50 for them to win the World Series and hedged myself by also putting down $50 for them to win the American League Championship. The odds during the first week in June? 300-1 for the WS, 150-1 for the ALC.

So I figure come October I'll be celebrating an A's World Series by cashing in $22,500!

Let's go OAK-LAND clap-clap-clapclapclap

by Zeavran on Jul 28, 2005 7:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is this thread for real?
Some of you nerds are working WAAAAAAAY too hard to hate on ol' Joe. I can't believe some of the reactions to his article. The guy had many positive and accurate things to say about the A's. I liked his article.

When he doesn't like the A's or criticizes their approach to the game, ANers say he's an idiot. The A's were pretty lousy not too long ago. Remember? There were plenty of people on this site begging for base stealing, small ball, big bats, high priced pitchers, etc. Now Joe's saying the A's are for real and he's an idiot because he's stating what some people think is so obvious. Cut him some slack.

by Reg on Jul 28, 2005 8:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't listen to Joe Morgan when he talks trash
about the A's.  Why would I listen to him when he praises the A's?  Chances are, either his conclusion or logic is wrong, regardless of the way he feels about my favorite team.

It's the process that important.  Joe Morgan forgets that all of the time, and I think some ANers are forgetting that now.

Fearing Mecir since 2000.

by salb918 on Jul 28, 2005 8:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a joe morgan fan either...
but I look at it this way: the A's are getting noticed and getting respect! I'm so happy to read a lot more national articles about the A's.  It diminishes the time spent on the Crankees, Dumb Sox, and Barry "the gimp" Bonds.

by baseballbabe on Jul 28, 2005 11:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually really enjoyed this column.
In defense of Morgan, I'm not sure how the A's are currently scoring more runs than everyone else.  I know they're good (a good deal better than most think they are), but would any of us here have predicted that they would be the highest scoring team in baseball for a significant chunk of time.  This year?  Be honest.

In truth, however, what I enjoyed most about this article was watching the contortions Morgan went through to avoid giving any credit to Beane or the A's philosophy (I expect he'll visit his chiropractor tomorrow).  Writing about the A's current run w/out reference to their organizational philosophy is an impressive feat of denial.  All I can say is, "wow!"

"I'm a lexicon devil with a battered brain."--Darby Crash

by lexdevil on Jul 28, 2005 11:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It seems pretty easy to understand to me
Their post all-star OPS is .779 as a team.

by MrIncognito on Jul 29, 2005 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Morgan is an ex Baseball Player
Not an evaluator of talent
A's Fan in Philly

by Duby on Jul 29, 2005 2:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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