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win exp, july 27th.

Star-divide

look at the horrible overlays!
the 'zzz' refers to the boring states of the graph, not me during that period of time...

anyhow.. PoG: Kendall, mostly because scoots had a 9th inning ab (see the big decrease between dj+jp and kendall... that was scoots) and 3 beforehand that were unimpressive to wpa.

prior to bott9: 9.4%
Kielty hit: +8.8% - 18.2%
DJ hit: +15.5% - 33.7%
Payton hit: +18.5% - 52.2%
Scutaro botched bunt: -18.5% - 33.7%
Kendall hit: +50.5% - 84.2%

prior to bott10: 64.2%
Hatty out 4-3: -5.9% - 58.3%
Kielty out 4-3: -4.8% - 53.5%
Ellis single: +2.8% - 56.4%
Payton double: +6.9% - 63.2%
Scutaro walk-off: +36.8% - a W and happy A's fans

The most important hits are all in there.
I'll leave it at that.
Great game. Let's do it in a simpler way next time.








- below is an analysis of baseballgraphs v walkoffbalk -
By the way, I'm still using the "computer says" part of this to do the graph; I've found that "history says" and "computer says" really aren't off that much when the computer is on default RPG (4.7 per side)- however, the computer also takes run environment into effect. I personally have no idea what effect it has, but I think it works (eg: in Coors or TX, a 6 run deficit isn't as much as it was in preremodeled Comerica)...

Also, history says gives some absurd versions of zero due to small sample size.

Take this series of numbers:
bott9 - 6-0 visitors:
a) begin: 1/3062
b) runner on first: 1/768
c) runner on first and second: 0/204
d) runners on first and third, run in: 0/24
... basically, that doesn't make much sense.
in the same situations, computer says:
a) .996
b) .994
c) .983
d) .960
... that makes a little more sense.

Basically, that and run environment are the reasons I don't use walkoffbalk. However, I am getting fed up with .500 at the end of any inning at a tie.. that should favour the home team.

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The color commentary
on the graph makes it SO much cooler.  U rock.
Change is for the better. For both the A's and in life.

by WhiteElephantGuy on Jul 27, 2005 6:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks jjjsix!
LOVE the graphs!  :)
GO A's!!!

by AsGirl on Jul 27, 2005 6:35 PM PDT reply actions  

One Suggestion
for the bottom part, can you set it to the Inning instead of whatever those numbers mean?
Dr. Baron Von Evil Satan, in person.

by Zonis on Jul 27, 2005 7:11 PM PDT reply actions  

i wish i knew how to do that.
except i don't.

those numbers are play numbers. =/

let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

the a's fan lj community.

by Jjjsixsix on Jul 27, 2005 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Explain WPA for me . . .
Please . . . how is it calculated? Is it just an individual player's contribution to the overall win exp? I take it defense is not included?

by Josh @ Athletics Nation on Jul 27, 2005 7:29 PM PDT reply actions  

WPA is...
basically how a certain player's play contributes to the team's winexp. Right on.

Defence is not included because I do not watch games.  If I did watch games, I'd eyeball range factor, but I don't, so I can't.  
I only count defence in three situations:

  1. stolen bases/caught stealing (usually 50%C-50%P, or about so)
  2. rundowns.
  3. errors. (usually 90-100% to fielder)
That's it.
let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

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by Jjjsixsix on Jul 27, 2005 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks . . . I like this.
Obviously the individual player WPA numbers are VERY situational and game to game. It is a cool way to view the game though.

The WPA is very dependant on the situation of the ball game (e.g., Kielty's HR while alone accounting for 1/5 of the total winning score only seems to jump the win exp around 10%, while Scoot's GW RBI drives it up around 50%). I argue that independent of the game situation, Kielty's HR (both R and RBI) was more important (on an individual level) to the win than Scoot's simple RBI.

That being said, WPA could maybe be averaged in the aggregate (after the season is over) and a player's average WPA can shed some interesting light on how they do with situational hitting.

A different way to measure the elusive "clutch" factor possibly?  

Are you going to average the A's WPA at the end?

Good shit.

by Josh @ Athletics Nation on Jul 27, 2005 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

nope.
i don't do this everyday, alas, even though I probably should.

Guys like Jeff at Lookout Landing and (who?) at McCovey's Chronicles do do it everyday, and they'll probably just add it up at the end of the year.

I do it when I feel like doing it... basically a game which could yield a "cool" winexp graph.

let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

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by Jjjsixsix on Jul 27, 2005 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't get to watch this game either
What did Crosby do to get fielding credit?

by wilyc on Jul 28, 2005 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

the alert toss to nail [someone] at home.
it says on the box score CS __ at home plate.

That was Crosby's doing.

let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

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by Jjjsixsix on Jul 28, 2005 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

tricky to score
because as I recall, Haren picked off Grady from 1st to Johnson, so I think Haren should split the credit... maybe with Kendall if he called the pickoff?

by Apricot on Jul 28, 2005 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I meant
Haren split with Crosby, but maybe Haren's half probably should be split with whoever called the play... ahhh too complicated.

by Apricot on Jul 28, 2005 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

i did split it with Haren, actually.
66.6 croz - 33.4 haren
let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

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by Jjjsixsix on Jul 28, 2005 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love the commentary
These are awesome. Thanks, Jjjsixsix.

by Squeaky on Jul 27, 2005 8:31 PM PDT reply actions  

graphs graphs!
You ARE doing one of these for the AN softball game right?

Foolshgame22 breaks ankle, -10%
Nico foul ball maims passing goose, +5%

etc...

ps. For some reason I just like the historical data better. Its biggest problem is that run scoring is up so it's easier now to overcome big leads. Nonetheless, there's something comforting about knowing it's based on data not a simplistic model (especially one that's home field neutral).

by Apricot on Jul 27, 2005 10:13 PM PDT reply actions  

i like the historical data too..
just.. the differences are basically max 1.5% in Oakland (your average MLB run environment), so i'll let it slide.

In places like Texas and Colorado, the run environment is too high for the historical data to take, so I'll use the model.

That being said, if anyone takes the walkoffbalk thing and puts it into the spreadsheet like the model, I'll startusing walkoffbalk for most games (read: pretty much everything except Texas)

let's go oakland [clapclap clapclapclap]

the a's fan lj community.

by Jjjsixsix on Jul 27, 2005 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like it
especially Wickman scratching his head

"D'oh, I still get to eat after the game, huh?"

"He threw me a pitch I'd never seen before, Sexson said. The umpire asked me what it was, and I said, 'I don't know.' This guy throws ghost pitches.''

by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Jul 27, 2005 10:44 PM PDT reply actions  

hmm
on reflection, thats a little mean. Poor Wick...
"He threw me a pitch I'd never seen before, Sexson said. The umpire asked me what it was, and I said, 'I don't know.' This guy throws ghost pitches.''

by Alien @ Athletics Nation on Jul 27, 2005 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

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