A Long Post for One Simple Question
Last season, about this time, the A's went into New York and got swept in a three-game, heartwrenching series against the Yankees. The losses came in large part because of a nuclear bullpen. Seriously, I almost expected to see the three-eyed fish from The Simpsons sitting behind homeplate whenever the A's bullpen door swung open.
But it happened repeatedly until finally, Billy Beane had all he could stand and he can'ts stands no more. He popped some spinach, got on the phone with Baird and Hunsicker and worked out a deal for Don't Ask, Do-tel. Not all the A's problems were solved obviously because the A's still missed the playoffs, but the team suddenly became a contender again.
Ironically, Cleveland was having the same problem with their pen. Again, it's 2004 all over again, but this time it's the miserable offense that appears to be the weak link. Cleveland is having the same problem with their offense as well. I'm thinking Shapiro and Beane need to stop spending the offseason passing around Greg Brady's tiki idol.
Any way, theories abound about the A's nuclear offense (this time the three-eyed fish is in the A's on-deck circle). Mr. Hitting.com should be fired. Macha should be fired. The A's need new bats. The A's need a whole bunch of players to go with those bats. Thomas needs to go to Sacramento. Chavez should be caned, tarred, feathered and then given a wedgie. I want to know what you think the solution to the hitting woes are. What is going to awaken these bats from their seemingly eternal slumber?
Just remember, most of last season, AN was calling for Curt Young's head on a stick. And Beane and company were patient with the A's much-maligned hitting coach, which seems like the right move now with most of the kids pitching very well right now.
But many hitting and pitching coaches get too much credit when things are going well and blame when things are going bad. Although a shakeup in the coaching ranks can sometimes spark a team.
I'm not sure what the answer is. I honestly think this team is severely lacking from a slugging percentage deficiency as I wrote yesterday. Take for example that inning today against the Yankees when the A's loaded the bases with no one out. Had any one of those hits been an extra-base hit, they would've scored at least one, possibly several runs. But instead, you have hit, walk, hit and because of one of the base runners being cautious, it didn't score a run. If that third hit is a double in the gap, the A's score two. Course if the first hit was a double, they still might not have scored. But that to me is the biggest problem with this lineup right now. Even when people like Chavez actually get a hit, it's a single. So, my personal opinion is this team needs to add some slugging percentage.
Here's another person the A's should pursue, if they can:
Mike Sweeney. Yes, he's an injury risk, but the Royals are essentially rebuilding (again) and Sweeney shouldn't need to toil in obscurity for forever. It would mean a salary hit and Lew Wolff would need to approve of something like this. But, get Sweeney to bat in the number three hole in the lineup and then you have this:
Kendall
Kotsay
Sweeney
Chavez
Kielty
Hatteberg
Ginter (or Crosby when healthy)
Thomas (or Swisher when healthy)
Scutaro
To me, adding someone with a .628 slugging percentage in 2005 and a .377 OBP for his career is exactly what this offense needs. He's a true number three hitter. Chavez then slides down a spot, and becomes someone who can grip and rip without having to be "The Man."
I don't know what Baird would ask for to complete a deal like this. Maybe a Durazo and/or Dan Johnson with Eric Byrnes or Rheinecker. The Royals have a lot of holes right now and they're looking toward the future. Sweeney is 32 years old, so it goes against the common belief of the A's building towards 2006. But the truth is that this team could possibly compete this year. The AL West is not as strong as it's been in years past.
But that's just one man's opinion. Maybe I'm just speaking from my heart. But this team has won 14 games with little to no offense. You add a stick like Sweeney and you're bringing someone who is a leader and can perform with RISP (his batting average in those situations is .419 and his OPS is 1.154 - he's the bizarro-Athletic with RISP).
I want to know what AN thinks. Click on entry link below to vote.
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Gee... Sweeney?
by FoolshGame22 on May 8, 2005 11:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hey
by ucla kid on May 8, 2005 11:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh...
by FoolshGame22 on May 8, 2005 11:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha...Hes prob the only manager worse.
by OaktownPower on May 8, 2005 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweeney....
by OaktownPower on May 8, 2005 11:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
missing some time isn't such a bad thing...
by FoolshGame22 on May 8, 2005 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never thought I'd say this, but....
I'm just concerned that we sacrifice too much of our future by doing a short fix now. By shaking up the troops via a Macha dismissal, you accomplish much of the same at a lower cost.
Unless we have a real shot of making the playoffs, of course. Right now, it's just hard to see that.
by Rob on May 8, 2005 11:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure what the answer is...
I also agree that we can be competitive this year for the West. The division is a bit off, and we have many of the ingredients required for winning. Many pundits said we would stink this year because of the departure of Hudson and Mulder. But this isn't even close. The pitching is doing fine. As we all have painfully seen, we can't hit. This is the most anemic A's lineup I can remember seeing in a long time. Billy needs to get us a bat or two and we will all be looking at a very competitive run for the division.
I have reservations about Sweeney given the injury risks. I don't think I could handle a DL. I don't have an answer for how we might solve this problem. I am sure Beane is working away on this problem (I trust). Although this year is something of a rebuilding one, I can't see him throwing in the towel on this season. He is too much of a competitor.
by island of misfit toys on May 8, 2005 11:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
FIRE MACHA
by UCD Stomper on May 8, 2005 11:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to Blez.
I hate to be sarcastic, but this place is already overrun w/ this kind of talk. It's getting to the point where I will avoid AN on days after losses.
by Inquisitor on May 8, 2005 11:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying something needs to be done
Ouch.
That's why there is an option to do nothing.
by Tyler Bleszinski on May 9, 2005 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it would take so much
As for the Indians, well thats an interesting one. The thing is, their offense is one of the worst right now as well. Who could we get that they would give us for Dotel? Ben Broussard and Ronny Belliard? I don't think they have anyone we reallly want, and Hafner is a lefty.
by ohad on May 8, 2005 11:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Byrnes and Johnson won't do it...
by FoolshGame22 on May 9, 2005 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC
No one in their right mind would want Eric Byrnes on their 40-Man Roster.
by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broussard?
by AlwaysSweatin on May 9, 2005 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Kotsay can get Sweeney on his
by robber23 on May 8, 2005 11:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, hell yeah!
Our lineup would look like this:
- CF M. Kotsay
- C J. Kendall
- 1B M. Sweeney
- 3B D. Wright
- LF M. Cameron
- DH K. Ginter/Hatty (platoon of plyrs - assuming Durazo is packaged in a deal w/ DJ + a minor leager to KC)
- RF B. Keilty or (N. Swisher)
- SS M. Scutaro or (B. Crosby)
- 2B M. Ellis
by sf drift king on May 9, 2005 12:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a downright pathetic
by devo on May 9, 2005 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put your coaches cap on.
by sf drift king on May 9, 2005 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Austin?
by limecat on May 9, 2005 12:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a change of heart,
by Tyler Bleszinski on May 9, 2005 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think hitting coaches matter that much
so hudgens is endorsed by giambi, tejada, chavez, and byrnes, that's a .250 average which isn't good enough.
if that doesn't shake things up enough, fire macha in another two weeks. i don't even dislike macha, but changes must be made...
by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 12:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
a's 12 step program
1 move chavez down in the lineup
2 fire hudgens
3 bring someone up from sacto
4 hire a motivational speaker
5 put ginter at third base
6 trade for sweeney or huff (not kearns or sanders, please)
7 some sort of public ridicule/humiliation
8 hire a hypnotherapist for chavez to convince him he doesn't suck
9 get those new contact lenses brian roberts is wearing, force every hitter to wear them
10 fire macha
11 break chavez's hand, it worked last year.
12 clubhouse rampage
by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 12:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i would go with
by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 4:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Melhuse
by kkdaz on May 9, 2005 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why melhuse ????
by bigelephant on May 9, 2005 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Melhuse needs to play more because ...
by iceplant on May 9, 2005 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Huse yo daddy?
I also vote for a mixup in the coaching staff and some shuffling of players to and from AAA. I can't believe we're not even doing that at this point. After we test that, then pursue some trades and get rid of guys whose value is high. Personally, I don't think Dotel is worth what everybody else in the league thinks he's worth. His ERA would be over 5 if you charged him with all the runs he lets in (instead the mid-relievers get dinged every time he comes in the game). Look at those BB/IP!!! Horrible.
by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to YOUTH?
Although I have not given up on this season at all, I believe that any move that is made should be made looking to the future and the strength of the A's when Crosby, Haren, Swisher, Blanton, and Meyer have all had a couple more years under their belts.
We should look for power now, but young power that we can hold on to for some time and have grow with the team.
by Josh on May 9, 2005 12:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, I like Sweeney a lot...
So, if all that can be worked out, Sweeney would be a great addition. We could bat him DH more than playing him at 1st to ease the stress put on his back, and maybe help him stay more or less injury free. We wouldn't be selling away the future as Durazo and Byrnes wont be back next year anyways, DJ will only be around until Barton makes his way up, and we have plenty of young outfielders and pitchers that giving up one wont hurt.
It would take a genius Billy Beane move to get all this accomplished, and possibly another team to get enough pieces together to make the package enticing to KC, but it could work!
I'm up for anythign that will help the A's offense come around so we can compete. And I like Sweeney better than anyone else mentioned to date (cept maybe Huff)
by ZeroIndulgence on May 9, 2005 1:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweeney
by FuriousB on May 9, 2005 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweeny sounds good.
I've always had the impression that Sweeny has been tough on the A's (the stats folks will share the reality with us I hope). And I'm a firm believer in getting the folks who can cause you trouble over to your side.
Add this to the fact that he is a solid hitter and a trade for him would send a serious signal to the players and fans... I'm all for it!
by NomAd on May 9, 2005 1:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweeney under the right conditions
But I agree, shop for an older player and give him a 1/2 a year (under the premise that we don't have enough trade bait to get a rising star). I don't like the way we're losing and even if there's a chance we can turn it around, there is also a risk that if we go in the dumper this season, our guys will lose that winning edge that we've built up over the past 5 years and we'll go into "rebuilding mode" where wins are no longer required in the near future. NO. We actually still have a very solid nucleus. They're all cold as ice, that's all. We're playing like crap and we're only 4 games under .500. That's actually the sign of a pretty good team!
Let's make some shake-ups and add a bat (not an OBP). A pure hitter with a little pop.
I'm also thinking it's time to consider bringing up a potential starting pitcher from the minors.
by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hire...
by timed exposure on May 9, 2005 1:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice...
by secret ASian man on May 9, 2005 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes me smile...
by secret ASian man on May 9, 2005 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Capital "D" Drama
Picture Bowa as manager and Joe Morgan doing the game. Morgan would be spewing his guts out with praise and admiration... 'nuff said.
by NomAd on May 9, 2005 2:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just say 'No' to Larry !!
remember 'track record' is very important to BB !!
Larry Bowa is also Billy Martin without the drink in hand either !!
Larry is a 'top-stepper' as a manager. those guys wear out their welcome and effectiveness very soon.
Macha's not the problem, but he is the obvious scapegoat. it comes with the job description.
by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While Larry Bowa would be fun to watch
Just my two wheat pennies
by noava22 on May 9, 2005 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No easy solutions
We can't slug. We can't play small ball.
Sweeney isn't the answer. He's on the downside of his career and is injury-prone. And he would only make sense if the A's are in the race this season. At this point, even though the division is weak, I'm not persuaded that we're a contender.
And then there is the matter of Calero. I don't know if he's still hurt, or if the loss of his best pitch has turned him into a very hittable pitcher. But suddenly, our bullpen is looking mighty vulnerable. Our two prize relief acquisitions, Cruz and Calero, can't be used if the game is close. I don't know if Calero needs surgery, time to get his stuff back, or whether he's just damaged goods. But this remains an alarming development.
As for the hitting, we are probably reaching a point where a change needs to be made, simply for the sake of doing something. But I don't know what would help.
by bear88 on May 9, 2005 2:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Downside of his career?
by Tyler Bleszinski on May 9, 2005 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Downside
Sweeney is a terrific hitter who is off to a very good start. But he seems out of our price range and not worth a long-term investment even if Fisher/Wolff/Beane wanted to make it. I'm also not sure they will want to make such a short-term investment.
Would Sweeney improve our lineup this year? Absolutely. I just don't see it happening.
by bear88 on May 9, 2005 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this assessment ...
- He stays healthy
- This A's team, even with Sweeney, is good enough to compete in this mediocre division this year.
by iceplant on May 9, 2005 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly why I pick players and teams
We can't always pick and choose who we want. The situations have to also be right for the other team.
by Tyler Bleszinski on May 9, 2005 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Situational trades you're right Blez
It has to fit both teams. It's funny I found myself watching the Reds vs. Dodgers game last night on ESPN doing some scouting if you will. Same thing with the Giants vs. Nationals. Allthough, I really don't see what all the rummors were about with the Nationals GM talking to Billy. I didn't see any players in particular, right handed bats with power for a corner outfield spot on our team.
The Al West is still up for grabs. For all our problems we are not burried yet. Sept. schedule looks like a killer though. If we are to contend is this year of so callled rebuilding it will take some Billy magic.
And maybe......Macha finds his way to the door. I have never liked the way he uses the bullpen. Just my opinion, but when a reliever or maybe even a starter for that matter gets into trouble it seems to me he has hasn't even got any one up yet. I remember in the playoff agains't Boston when Barry came out to warm up in the 5th inning I believe he was pitching on three days rest and bounced two of his warm up throws to the plate before he even faced a batter that inning. I think he walked a batter gave up a hit and then the bomb to Manny. That's when Macha got someone up. I know has an ex catcher you don't want to waste a guy warming up in the bullpen and not bring him in. But, I don't see the harm in having one or two guys just soft tossing in the pen just to stay lose and turn it up if needed. This has always bothered me even with Art Howe.
I also would like to see Washington get his chance. I know from listening to Robert Baun that Macha has respect of many players on the team but he is to timid to me. He doesn't show much emotion on or off the field. I listen to extra innings almost daily after every game and the Macha post game interviews are almost painful to listen to. They are so routine. ".......good hit there in the ...inning acouple of big outs from...... or no clutch hits.....need to do a better job" I and the way he says it slow and drawn out. again lacking emotion in my opinion. I certainly would not miss that in the post game show or pregame for that matter if he were gone.
What about bringing Carney back has hitting coach or thirdbase coach ,or move him to first. If Washington is promoted. A hardnosed player who could hit. I have read somewhere he has coached his son in High School in Santa Clara I believe. It might be jump to the big leagues but, I bet he could do it if he wants to. What do you think fellow AN'ers
by Mike Heath on May 9, 2005 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cruz was a miracle worked by Leo Mazzone,
by noava22 on May 9, 2005 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why eliminate Durazo...
If Oakland must obtain power - which is debatable - why not think completely outside the box?...Cliff Floyd and Mike Piazza (while he's cold)! Of course Oakland would have to sacrifice a lot (and also need to clear salary significantly) in order to get what we 'need' in return. Think Kendall (who we all know is a two/three year rental anyway...come to think of it, isn't everybody a rental when you get right down to it?), Zito, and a certain very popular center fielder who I will take much grief from the rest of the AN for even suggesting that he be dealt for what 'needs' to a shake-up.
by LowcountryJoe on May 9, 2005 3:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep Durazo
by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 4:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed-don't dump Durazo
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Ohad,
by LowcountryJoe on May 9, 2005 3:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sweeney
Will Beane go this route? Probably not.
by sommers on May 9, 2005 5:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Patience is a hard thing to acquire-
I came to the conclusion that if this team really wants to compete in years to come- we have to sacrifice a little bit this year and accept the fact that we can't have a playoff team every year. We have to build on our young pitchers slowly and intelligently- and not trade away our future young talent for aging but perhaps more productive talent such as Sweeney.
Patience is hard to promote, especially if your team is playing pitifully- but we've got to keep our heads straight and not sell the farm.
by greenmachine on May 9, 2005 5:24 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately,
Byrnes will soon be gone .. thank goodness, man, he's bad. Just bad all around.
Chavez .... well, he's got to look himself in the mirror everyday knowing he's stealing money. If he can live with it, so can I.
It will be 2006 before you know it ... it's a shame though too, because Macha will probably be fired, and the players will be to blame. Maybe Wash will get his chance after all.
by Vacafan on May 9, 2005 5:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
I would like to see Dan Johnson get called up. Can anyone explain why he isn't get a shot? I'm sure there's a good reason...I HOPE there's a good reason.
by keNbO on May 9, 2005 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm....
Looking at Sweeney's numbers over the past few years, and because of injuries, you pretty much
get Byrnes' 2004 season- 20 or so HRs, maybe 70-80 RBI. Of course Sweeney puts up these numbers in just 400 ABs, but if he can't stay healthy...
Also, i noticed he wears the captain's 'C' for the Royals. Does anyone know what the fans think of him there? Do they want him gone?
by easyrichboy on May 9, 2005 5:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sweeney NOT the answer, long/short term
injury-prone (chronic lower disc problems) to be taken seriously as a trade option.
IF BB does make a move it'ii be:
- firing hudgens (what, does this guy have compromising pix og billy or something?) and hope whomever he bring in will light a fire.
- trade for a cheap, short term contract who is an older player with a high RBI/HR history who can bat BEHIND chavy OR a cheap, not yet arbie eligible with a high-end future power bat potential.
a severe rut.
by bigelephant on May 9, 2005 6:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Make a move or wait for a July firesale
by boilerdan on May 9, 2005 6:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Feeling Very Patient Today
And calm. Very, very calm.
Because I've got a good feeling about this series in Boston.
No changes for me, thanks.
Just as long as I have my medicine.
by Mission1929 on May 9, 2005 6:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can I have some of that medicine too?
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twenty-twenty-twenty four hours to go...
by LowcountryJoe on May 9, 2005 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last week, it was the Talking Heads....
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing at all
Now I guess I'll have to tell 'em, that I got no cerebellum.
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're both NY bands
by AlamedaAphid on May 9, 2005 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Worries, Gabba Gabba
At least I think so.
by Mission1929 on May 9, 2005 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glue a performance enchancing drug?
"I wanna sniff some glue, now I want something to do..."
by franks a lot on May 9, 2005 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well new york city really has it all
oh yeah, oh yeah.
by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
see you down at CBGB tonite!!!!
"hey ho, let's go"
by bigelephant on May 9, 2005 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO to Sweeney
That said, I'd trade for Carlos Lee. Not as expensive, extremely durable (has never had fewer than 492 AB in a season), and with more power than Sweeney. Plus he plays a position that currently represents our weakest spot in the field and in the lineup (LF).
by OaktownTribesman on May 9, 2005 7:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i would love lee
by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee won't make the rest of the team better.
by paul75 on May 9, 2005 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extra $$$
by Ryan Hadden on May 9, 2005 7:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lee
by sommers on May 9, 2005 7:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would Lee not be available?
by OaktownTribesman on May 9, 2005 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This early in the season
by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about..
I would hate to get a Sweeney when the A's possibly already have a in-house slugging first baseman in Johnson. Give him a chance already! And just hire Hatteberg as the hitting coach so we don't have that log-jam at first...<man dreaming>
by franks a lot on May 9, 2005 7:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen!
by Jeff in Seattle on May 9, 2005 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
- send CT and Clark to AAA, and fill their spots with Watson and DJ. Send Cruz to AAA and bring up Rhinecker. Evaluate whether to put Calero on DL. If so, then Cust can come up as a pinch-hitter from the bench.
- Move Chavvy down the lineup, say to 6th. Don't put Hatty as the cleanup hitter!
by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rhino
by OaktownTribesman on May 9, 2005 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two Holy Grails...
by franks a lot on May 9, 2005 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe the A's can trade for Cameron
Durazo, Cust and Cameron !!
by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
isnt JD Drew part of that GRAIL fraternity
by redclay22 on May 9, 2005 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Must Two Buck Chuck Suffer For Chavvy's Sins?
The shake-up from 2002 included a trade of Jeremy Giambi, right? And two starting position players being sent down? Thomas doesn't start and Clark is a spare part.
by floyd on May 9, 2005 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well.
Thomas should be sent down just to get himself at bats. He's looked like crap at the plate and, surprisingly, he's looked even worse on the field. I'm willing to bet that this might be more mental than physical. Consistent ab's might do the guy some good.
Clark was brought up to rot on the bench. The A's could just leave him be, and nobody would notice.
The whole point is that something needs to be done. The most logical first move would be to look internally. The guy that needs to be called up is Watson. It's an absolute must, in my opinion.
by Sharon on May 9, 2005 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CT needs to go to Sacto
Clark is not being used by the A's. If they are looking for pop then he should be exchanged for someone at the AAA level who does.
by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas should go
by kkdaz on May 9, 2005 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was limited by the title length ...
Sure, Thomas could go to Sacto to work on his game. But he barely plays, and Clark is there in case someone gets injured, so sending them down isn't going to help the aweffense.
by floyd on May 9, 2005 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you send someone down
CT needs to get himself back together. he can do that in Sacto. In his place bring up someone who is hitting, like Watson -- but then play him.
by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Macha
I don't think a trade is going to be the answer. We'll get a big bat that will suddenly start slumping because apathy breeds apathy. And we'll be right back where we are now.
What we need is someone who can REMIND Hudgens and these guys what to do with the bat with RISP. Quit taking huge hacks, shorten your swing and PUT THE BALL IN PLAY. MAKE CONTACT. MOVE THE RUNNER. 25% of the time you'll get a run, which is 25% more of a chance when all you do is strike out.
Granted I never got farther than Babe Ruth in my baseball career because I sucked, but I never struck out with RISP because I was just going for contact instead of the fence.
Maybe Hudgens ought to hire me to script his next DVD.
by lansfords1 on May 9, 2005 7:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i agree completely
by lovethegame on May 9, 2005 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dan johnson....
I'd much rather keep johnson and go through a year of hardship and have 06 be just an amazing year as its looking out to be.
by TorontoAsFan on May 9, 2005 7:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
According to Susan Slusser
Forst has confirmed that the A's are looking at any and all options, including bringing up someone from the minors (I assume that "any and all' includes possible trades?)
She quotes Macha as still resisting a lineup shuffle. He argues that the lineup as is theoretically should get the job done. Of course, the theory and "past history" doesn't really address the current situation of major slumps, especially regarding Chavvy (who in the past has climbed out of slumps after being moved down the lineup).
As we all know Beane would likely be at a disadvantage in trades right now, simply because it's early in the season and it's too obvious that the A's are hurting. But perhaps other teams have a "problem" player (not a character issue, but someone who just isn't getting to play and is starting to chafe0 who could maybe be pried loose now without selling off the A's future. See the "A's Legacy" blog for a discussion of Kearns' situation in Cincinatti:
http://www.aslegacy.blogspot.com/
by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 7:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Loved that quote from Macha
We've tried it your way for 31 games, Ken... and it ain't working.
by lansfords1 on May 9, 2005 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is shuffling the lineup so taboo?
I also agree with all the posters who cite that it never helps to trade from a position of weakness when discussing trade options. You REALLY sacrifice the future when it's obvious you're desperate for immediate help. You need to find win-win situations. Give somebody a "top 10 reliever" (uh, that would be Dotel to the rest of the league) and take from them an older hitter. Again, we may need patience and wait until a team really NEEDS a reliever or a team is already calling this season lost.
by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade partners:
clev
ny mets
phil
cubs
houston
SD
San Fran
OR, billy might be a "seller" and blow it all up and start selling off assets in july/aug.
by bigelephant on May 9, 2005 8:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Use the Rivercat option
by kkdaz on May 9, 2005 8:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You realize Chavez would NEVER
DePodesta would snatch him up in a second. Heck, almost any other team in the majors would snap Chavy up. Because unlike us, they realize that baseball is a game of ups and downs. Today's slump is tomorrow's 100-rbi guy.
by Tyler Bleszinski on May 9, 2005 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't
by oakwin2004 on May 9, 2005 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that person probably doesn't understand
by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
by kkdaz on May 9, 2005 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed it would never happen...
by timed exposure on May 9, 2005 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'd probably boo him
by OaktownTribesman on May 10, 2005 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The offense will come around...
First off, the A's have 3 players that are switching leagues (Kendall, Thomas, Ginter). This is traditionally hard for hitters (see last years NL MVP on the Mariners right now). I think this transition will be over soon and that those 3 hitters will regain their previous form. Also, Crosby and Swisher are out right now. That is the AL ROY from last year, and the ROY fav. for this year. Those injuries hurt too. Chavy is in his usual slow start.
All these factors have definately contributed heavily to the loss in offense for the A's. The important thing to remember is that they are all transient: they will dissapear as time progresses.
There are about 5 months left in the season. I think we all need to remember that. Have patience, and some faith.
by Cy Hudson on May 9, 2005 8:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Something needs to be done.
Until they start scoring they're not competitive and it's not entertaining, it's just sad. Hopefully we'll steal at least one in Boston and not get shutout twice.
by McFood on May 9, 2005 8:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what about Overbay
by giambizombie on May 9, 2005 9:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Overbay
No way.
by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is a lefty
.352 .496 .648 1.143
are pretty spectacular, and a career stat of:
.297 .389 .469 .858
BA OBP SLG OPS
sort of overshadow hatte, and certainly DJ, much to my wishing that weren't the case -
although durazo is about the same, careerwise
durazo: .283 .384 .492 .875
but overbay is off to killer start this year and is much cheaper. weather Milwaukee wants to trade him is another issue entirely. If I had to bet, I'd say they wouldn't.
by giambizombie on May 9, 2005 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
= nick johnson
by redclay22 on May 9, 2005 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nick looks good this year
.318 .438 .486 .924
but career he's:
.261 .379 .424 .803
the man knows how to take a walk though - making almost 1.5mil this year, dunno where he's at next year -
by giambizombie on May 9, 2005 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blaime Macha or mr. hitting
by novaoakland on May 9, 2005 9:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I said on the radio show last week that we should:
- Have Macha set the clubhouse on fire. Take one of everyone's bats and burn them in the shower.
- Sign Jeff Tam to a 10 day so he can do him Taminator act.
- Fire Macha
by saint on May 9, 2005 9:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Got to get some hitters
The optimistic implication is, "Hey, we'll win even more once the bats come around."
But maybe a more realistic conclusion is, "It's pure luck that this team has won even that many with the hitting as anemic as it's been, and once the luck runs out, look out below."
Time to pick up a couple of solid hitters (hitters, not walkers -- Kevin Youkilis types need not apply) before the other playoff-hopeful teams get too far away from the A's.
by MJB on May 9, 2005 9:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good point on victory total
v. M's Sun. May 1st, 'Bert' Boone lost pop-fly in 2-1 loss to A's. A's couldn't have won w/o that gaffe.
and I don't think I have to detail how Friday night's victory was 'gifted' to A's.
the other victory (extras against M's Apr. 30) easily could've been lost with Dotel's ineffectiveness.
The A's are essentially 5 runs and 6 errors away from a 12-game losing streak.
The A's are playing at the level of the Royals (8-23) ... myabe the A's have dragged down the play of the comp to squeak by with these past 5 victories.
The A's didn't affirmatively win any of these five games.
that is a disturbing and frightening trend.
yes, these 14 victories are in the bank, but few of them have been convincing in any way, shape or from.
heck, even the Piros -- a team whose anemic offense brought proper comparisons to Oakland's -- brought out the whuppin' stick yesterday in a 16-2 victory at the BOB !!
someone wrote of the A's pythagorean win total as being 11 at this point, so the A's have been playing 'ahead' of the formulaic pace.
and with a few breaks going against them the A's could easily be two victories below the 'pyth' pace.
by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
by xbhaskarx on May 9, 2005 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why didn't we...
Can anyone elaborate?
by keNbO on May 9, 2005 10:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He got into it with upper management:
He has apparently been a cancer of sorts on every team he has played on.
Soscia (sp) may have cured that last year, by effectively firing him.
by saint on May 9, 2005 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a Xavier Nady type ...
We also need to stick Chavy down in the 7 or 8 hole. Get him out of the middle of the order where his failures are maginified, yet keep him in the lineup so he can come around.
We need a hot bat now to light the spark. Matt Watson or Andre Ethier, not Jack Cust or Dan Johnson. Bring them (or him) and to start right away. If they don't hit in a few days, sit them down re-evaluate in a week. Send down some bench players to get AB's in the minors and possibly heat up.
Jason Kendall needs to sit. He can't hit the ball out of the infield and he can't throw runners out. Adam Melhuse should at least be playing against righties right now.
Eric Byrnes needs to go, and we can probably get some value for him while reducing payroll.
by iceplant on May 9, 2005 10:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I keep reading that
by boilerdan on May 9, 2005 10:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the A's also had Miggy to pull out of slow
by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOW can it be
by crd04us on May 9, 2005 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what's different on this offense
The slugging threat of Dye (he at least started the 2004 well) is no longer there. Dye's defense was also better than what the A's have now. Swisher is a rookie, and is now injured. Kielty is hitting decently, but is no Dye on defense.
Kendall is not hitting well (Damian Miller, who also was transitioning from the NL, hit much better from the start, plus played better defense. Then again, he was catching Huddy and Mulder instead of Haren and Blanton.)
Kotsay started slowly last season (better this year).
In 2004 Hatty hit very well from the start, and only tailed off at the end of the season. Byrnes hit well throughout the season. Crosby, despite his many strikeouts, was a slugging threat that is missing this year.
Chavvy's early 2004 season was much better than his early 2005 season. And after a slow start Durazo was on fire last year (he is picking it up this year also).
There are indeed small differences that add up.
by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller/Melhuse combined for 20 HRs 89 RBI '04
also, I think Durazo and Byrnes had CAREER years last season and NOT Career-average years.
there's more of a mistake penciling in Durazo and Byrnes's 2004 numbers every year, than there is penciling in Chavez's 'track record' numbers ... and I'm no Chavez apologist.
by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect Kendall to drive in 80+ this year...
by saint on May 9, 2005 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Durazo led the team last season with 88
Double-book it !!
by HerbWashington on May 9, 2005 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we are going to spend
by Big Jim on May 9, 2005 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Todd Helton
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Helton
For instance:
Rockies get: Dan Johnson (A's), O. Quinitinilla (A's), Arroyo (RedSox)
Red Sox get: Todd Helton
A's get: K. Youkilis (RedSox) and Preston Wilson (Rockies) and Cash (from RedSox)
Then, things look like this:
- Kotsay - CF
- Kendall - C
- Chavez - 3B
- Wilson - RF
- Durazo - DH
- Crosby - SS
- Hatteberg - 1B
- Youkilis - 2B
- Byrnes - LF
by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swing away...
These guys have proven track records and have just not produced yet...I have no answers or suggestions for change - although maybe some new faces from Sacramento for the next homestand might be part of what we need.
by LongTimeFan on May 9, 2005 11:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
son
by alamedabomber on May 9, 2005 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to bring up a spark
by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's have looked hopeless early every year
by AlamedaAphid on May 9, 2005 11:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
MESSAGE
by Big Jim on May 9, 2005 11:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Firing Hudgens
Fiery managers are overrated. Bowa is a terrible manager. Pinella is a pretty good one, but not because he has occasional 5-year old rants.
Get a decent RH power hitter to make the lineup "whole" and then realize that this team isn't bad, it just has little margin for error, meaning that if 2-3 guys underperform or the whole team can't hit with RISP, the team won't win, and if several guys just play to their basic averages, the team can compete.
If the A's were hitting a DISAPPOINTING .250 with RISP, with that one change alone they'd probably be 17-14, 1 game out, and ahead of even their own projections for a team that can contend.
Fill the one need that was obvious before Opening Day, and chill, wait, hope for the best. It's all you can do and it's a long season of many more twists and turns than we've yet seen.
by Nico on May 9, 2005 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Helton
by Big Jim on May 9, 2005 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear you
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here it is, again...
For instance:
Rockies get: Dan Johnson (A's), O. Quinitinilla (A's), Arroyo (RedSox)
Red Sox get: Todd Helton
A's get: K. Youkilis (RedSox) and Preston Wilson (Rockies) and Cash (from RedSox)
Then, things look like this:
Kotsay - CF
Kendall - C
Chavez - 3B
Wilson - RF
Durazo - DH
Crosby - SS
Hatteberg - 1B
Youkilis - 2B
Byrnes - LF
I'm really thinking outside the box, but if we're looking to deal w/ anyone, it should be the Rockies. And then BB can pit the Yankees and RedSox against one another...the team that offers the most trade value & cash, wins!
by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But....
I also think acquiring Wilson would be a wash vs. who we'd give up (Byrnes?). He numbers are decent, but when comparing his Coors vs. road stats, he becomes less impressive.
Youkalis would be nice, but Ginter has proven he can hit hrs. and either Ellis or Ginter would have to be dealt elsewhere.
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Boston has some injury problems w/ pitching, but D. Wells comes back in June and Wade Miller was just added this week...Plus, if the Red Sox could keep the Yankees from getting Helton, don't you think they would try and do it?
by Colorado Fan on May 9, 2005 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Problem with Wilson
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=5994
by Genaro on May 9, 2005 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta run
by Big Jim on May 9, 2005 11:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Again, there are
by doubleplayer on May 9, 2005 11:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
huff
by mbrinda on May 9, 2005 11:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Give the kids a chance
After a few more weeks, if the offense still hasn't shown signs of pulling out of its hole then we should pursue a trade. Sweeney sounds ok, if the price is right.
Jonathon
by JLeverenz on May 9, 2005 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
- lineup shuffle
- bringing up some players
by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
canned macha
by alamedabomber on May 9, 2005 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get a grip, folks
It's true that several players are underperforming. It's true that it makes the team difficult to watch. If you're really an A's fan you should be used to this by now because it's an annual ritual for us. The team will do better. The good news is that nobody else in the division is playing particularly well either. It's not like it was when the M's roared ahead with an outrageously hot start. Billy will find a way to shake things up without damaging the team's long-term health or making scapegoats of people who are simply going through slumps. What happened to "In Billy We Trust" in this so-called Athletics Nation?
by Charlie O on May 9, 2005 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Reply to "Get A Grip Folks"
I totally agree with everything you said right there! Hey, I like everyone would like a quick fix, but I just do not think it will happen. As stated, each year it is something different, either bullpen, fielding (only a couple years ago we were close to the bottom in that stat) or hitting. The A's will get it together, and in the AL West this year, where there is no ironclad ship, we are not out of it by a long shot.
I must admit, it is dis-heartening to see what is going on....as I watched yesterday in the 2nd inning, I just threw my hands up in disgust after the line out to 3rd and said, "typical". Folks, those hard hit balls that are being hit in the wrong places now will come around for us. Just a matter of time....we all know that this team is much better than it is performing.......and yes, as you are thinking right now, the turn-around has to happen soon before we get too far in the hole.
Keep your chins up A's fans!!!! You should be used to it....being a die-hard A's fan can be tough at times, but it is that same tenacity that always pulls us out of the hole!
-tbshaw
by tbshaw on May 9, 2005 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick
by oakwin2004 on May 9, 2005 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said 90 before the season
-Billy Beane
by kaweahkaweah on May 9, 2005 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
by oakwin2004 on May 9, 2005 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is
The team this year has a lot more questions about it, and it very well could be the case that they just aren't that good. That means Beane has to be act sooner than usual if he wants this team to contend.
Jonathon
by JLeverenz on May 9, 2005 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite
by Charlie O on May 10, 2005 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
huff and puff
go get him billy!
by Mark Brinda on May 9, 2005 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
get's on the Huff train!
he's cheap: $4.75 million in 2005 and $6.75 million in 2006
he's young: 28
he's durable: 600+ ABs in ech of the last two years
he's in the AL
he's a slow starter, so current numbers are not a concern
he can hit LHPs (.311/.357/.482/.839) even though he's a lefty
c'mon...sweeney and sanders don't even compare. if there is ANY way that the A's can get him by giving up a combination of Dotel, Byrnes, middle infielders and prospects, they should absolutely do it.
by Mark Brinda on May 9, 2005 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the farm
Why is it that the A's never stick with rookies. If they are not on fire or play some what decent we give up on them. And can someone win the second base job. Every day I look in the paper and it is a shuffle between Marco, Ellis and Ginter.
Consistancy people
by crd04us on May 9, 2005 2:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's not forget about
I'd like to see what he can bring to our offense in a full-time role. If that means benching Scutaro or Ellis, I'm all for it at this point.
by keNbO on May 9, 2005 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Use Ginter More -- Make Scutaro Designated Sac Man
So I agree with keNbO. Let's give Ginter a chance to develop his AL game and his pop, and use Scutaro in as many games as possible in clutch situations. It sounds different. But when you think about it, it's very rational to put a clutch hitter in a clutch situation when only 1 run is needed. His job would simply be to put good wood on the ball and beat out throws to first.
by TonyArmas on May 10, 2005 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall needs to do a Moises Alou
Kielty too
by H3liCat on May 9, 2005 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Hitting
"I have never known a better hitting coach than Dave Hudgens. His program has kept me at the top of my game ever since I signed with the A's"
Eric Chavez,
Oakland A's, AL All Star 3B
...Hudgen's DVDs must be selling like hotcakes!
Top of my game now means hitting below the Mendoza line and being quoted in the paper as saying, "I have no clue. I really don't."
by Catfish27 on May 9, 2005 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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