Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: The Amateur Mathematics Of Linsanity

2005 Oakland A's

First off, the A's made the biggest mistake by getting rid of Tejada and choosing to keep Chavez instead.  Here are the major differences between the two players:

  1. Miggy was passionate - almost everytime Miggy made an out you kind of saw some kind of emotion from him.  I mean he'd be so incredibly upset at himself and would talk to himself all the way back to the dugout.  When he would come through with his game winners - he would pump his fist or make wild gestures youd want your leader making.  Other players feed off that.  The only time Chavez did this that I can recall was the game winning single off Cordero (Rangers) late last season.
  2. Miggy was a leader - Miggy talked to other players, pumped up other players, pumped up the whole team, brought this vibe and energy the A's are clearly lacking.  You know when they say "this player will put the team on his back and carry it."  Well thats Miggy.
  3. Clutch hitter - Miggy was definitely a big time clutch hitter and getting better at it now.  I remember so many important hits Miggy got for us.  Whether it was the two big ones against Minnesota on consecutive days during "the streak" or his walk-off against Rivera.  He is definitely someone youd want up in a tight situation.  Chavez on the other hand - I won't even go there.  He chokes all the time - everytime.  It's as if he doesnt even want to be up there with the game on the line.
We could have kept Miggy for less than what he got from Baltimore.  He is definitely someone you'd want to build your franchise around.  He is a team leader, a great hitter, a great defender, and brings a huge amount of energy to his team.  All that is worth $12 Million a year.  I honestly think he is the best player in the game today.  

As for the 2005 A's.  Billy Beane is way too obsessed with OBP.  And were not even getting on base to begin with.  And when we do, we can't bring them in.  I mean what good does OBP do when we can't bring them in.  I'd rather have Vlad on my team with a .340 AVG and can come through with men on and is a beast than having someone like Hatteberg getting on base with a walk.  There is so much pressure on these guys to take a walk from the front office that once they fall behind in the count, theyre toast.  This has plagued us throughout the years.  All it takes is for the opposing pitcher to be around the plate and were in trouble.  But now, we cant even hit someone that is clearly struggling.  We seem to make every mediocre pitcher look good.  

What we need in order to compete:

  1. A big right handed bat - this would definitely give the lineup more stability and make everyone more comfortable.  (Remember Dye coming over in 2001 - We went on a tear).
  2. ENERGYYY, outside of Kotsay, this team does not have someone that's vocal or can be a leader.  CHAVEZ is definitely not a leader.  We need a Tejada-like figure on our team.  We need to get into a big brawl so our players can bond and pick each other up on the field.
  3. The front office needs to relax on this taking pitches crap.  Yes it's important to take pitches sometimes, but not ALL the time.  I mean sometimes you can tell when say Hatteberg waits so long to see if it's going to be a ball, and then realizes OH WAIT, THATS A STRIKE, swings late and pops up.  We need players who can flat out mash.
I want you guys to elaborate on three things, What you guys think about Miggy over Chavez, Beane's obsession with OBP, and What will make our team better.

Comment 14 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

I'd hate to pile on here...
when I try to pronounce Chavez I get a really bitter taste in my mouth.  But really now, when was the last clutch hit from Chavez...ever?
"IDIOT RUINS GAME - Springfield forfeits pennant"

by franks a lot on May 9, 2005 7:22 PM PDT reply actions  

miggy is gone.....
chavez isn't, let's focus on what we have, not what we don't

by stthomasfan on May 9, 2005 7:30 PM PDT reply actions  

yes, please...
the miggy vs. chavez argument has been talked to death here...especially recently.
A's fan for life!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on May 9, 2005 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

amen........
chavez will be a stud sooner or later, hopefully sooner.

by stthomasfan on May 9, 2005 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Let's talk about the team we have
it lacks at least one big bat playing a corner outfield or infield. If this is a rebuilding year and/or it's too early to make a trade, we need to see a couple of mashers from the minors up. Give them a shot.

Juggle the damn lineup already. Durazo needs to be in fourth, Chavvy no higher than sixth for now (maybe lower). Move Kendall down for a while too, and play Melhuse a few times a week.

(I wanted them to sign Miggy by the way, but that's old news already.)

by OaklandSi on May 9, 2005 7:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Miggy is so two years ago.
Why not complain about how we lost Johnny Damon? Or about the Mark McGwire trade? Why not complain about how Steinbrenner stole Reggie Jackson from us?

Last year's offense was pretty good - in fact it scored more runs than the 2003 team (last year Tejada was here).

I refuse to believe that the impact of Miggy's departure had one-year delay effect built in.

by matthias on May 9, 2005 8:54 PM PDT reply actions  

Not the point..
The point is that the A's made a terrible mistake.  They chose to keep the wrong player in my opinion.  And I'm not just saying this because Chavez is batting under the Mendoza line and Tejada is the best player in the game.  In my opinion, you gotta keep fiery, competitive, energetic players like Tejada and Hudson.  I guarantee we'd have more fans in the stands and more wins in the win column.

by Mr Alex on May 9, 2005 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fiery, energetic...
how about fiery energetic competitive players like Jason Kendall, Mark Kotsay, Marco Scutaro, Bobby Crosby, Nick Swisher, Huston Street, Octavio Dotel? Would they help any?

by matthias on May 9, 2005 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

ENERGY
I havent seen fire or energy from any of those guys but SWISH and DOTEL.  I mean there was a lot of hype in Kendall's case but he's like a statue.  He should fight someone like Varitek fought AROD last year.  As much as I hate Boston, that fight brought them together and the team gelled.

by Mr Alex on May 9, 2005 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

March 24, 1973
The day we traded Dave Duncan and George Hendrick to the Indians for Ray Fosse. A trade that still affects all of us today! And people are STILL whining about Tejada! Unbelievable!

by Coach Cleats on May 9, 2005 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude...
in 3 years when chavez is entering his prime years as a baseball player miggy will be on the decline. all of this rushing to judgement on moves made by BB is getting old.

by db As on May 9, 2005 9:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Who we really miss
As I said, the 2004 A's (no Tejada) scored more runs than the 2003 A's (with Tejada). The 2005 A's are hardly scoring at all. Instead of looking at who we lost after 2003, when the offense got better, why not look at who we lost after 2004? Let's see:

We lost Jermaine Dye, Damian Miller, and Bobby Crosby. They were all - stop me if you've heard this before - right hand hitters with power.

Dye was replaced by Swisher, who was projected to have a good year but got injured and replaced by last year's useless backup.

Miller was replaced by Kendall, who was supposed to deliver good OBP but no pop, and has so far delivered neither.

Crosby was relaced by (for all practical purposes) Mark Ellis who has - sound familiar? - a good average but not much power.

Add it all up and you have a sudden major loss of all the right handed power in the lineup. Yes, we could use Tejada now, or a young Mark McGwire or Reggie Jackson.

But the issue is not "fire" or "competitiveness," it's a lack of guys who can whack a baseball over the heads of the outfielders once in a while.

by matthias on May 9, 2005 10:09 PM PDT reply actions  

One more thign
Chavez cares after every single out. He's just not an extrovert. He's an introvert. On Jerry Crasnicks lastest article about the A's crappy offense, there are a lot of quotes from Macha and Chavez about how Chavez beats himself up all the time and stuff.
Conventional wisdom says 15 is too young to be an executive of a major sports franchise. Galileo and Einstein weren't conventional. Neither am i.

by ohad on May 9, 2005 10:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Front office my ass
You claim that the front office is forcing the hitters to take walks, which is therefore hurting their game. I beg to differ.  I believe the front office (and I'm sure you mean BB when you say that) wants each hitter to play his game in the way that made him successful in the first place.
  Last year Kotsay got off to a cold start.  He felt that since he was on the A's, he would need to take more walks.  But management told him to approach his at bats as he's done his whole career.  A free swinger.  Likewise Hatty is the opposite.  Painfully patient.  But that's the way that he believes he should play, not the way BB wants him to.
  If you try and make a player into someone he's not, then yes, that player will ultimately be unsuccessful.
"We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me." Jack Handey

by davebenfremont on May 10, 2005 2:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Oakland Athletics.

Community Guidelines ANcillary Terms

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Aperture_logo_small
Community Prospect List #4
Img_2672_small
Long-Term Outlook

Recent FanPosts

Small
A's reportedly sign Cespedes
Unknown_small
Is It Really Worth It: Three Veterans Who May Be Playing Oakland Next Year, But Shouldn't Be
Small
Manny's Contract
Small
fantasy baseball league for A's fans!
Small
NYY Proposal
Small
Roy Oswalt = opportunity
Choice_small
Tom Milone, by the numbers: Maddux, Glavine, Halladay, Radke...
Img_1877_small
Behind Enemy Lines
Lt-922060_small
All-Time Oakland A's team

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Front Page Writers

Maya_papi_small Tyler Bleszinski

08-_the_author_small 67MARQUEZ

Josefav2_small danmerqury

Baseball_small baseballgirl

Poochini-butt_in_box_2_small Nico

Img_0653_small dwishinsky

Front Page Writers

Smiley_face_small gigglingone

Venasfans_small OaklandSi

60-minutes-clock_small cuppingmaster

Patpicturebucky2_small YonYonson

Img_3830_small David Fung

Moderators

Photofunia-5c770b_small coffee roaster

Denver_small Colorado Fan

Ls_logo100_small LoneStranger

Thumbs_up_small LongTimeFan

Marty_profile_in_green_small mrod

Img_1877_small Billy Frijoles

Babycomputergeek_small paris7

Img_0115_small Tutu-late