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So far, the A's have played nine series (10 if you include tonight) and they've lost the opening game a lot lately, only to take the series. Four of the last six series they've lost the first game to either win the series or tie it. Will this series make it five out of seven? We shall see. It would be nice to get victories for our starting pitchers on occasion.
You want an illustration of just how meaningless win-loss record can be for pitchers? Check out the ERAs and corresponding win totals of our pitching staff:
- Zito: 1 W, 5.84 ERA
- Harden: 2 W, 1.82 ERA
- Haren: 1 W, 4.11 ERA
- Blanton: 0 W, 2.67 ERA
- Saarloos: 1 W, 5.33 ERA
As for the game itself, the A's want to have Mark Kotsay at bat with the game on the line. The only other player you could ask for would be Marco Scutaro. Nine times out of ten, I'll take those two guys with the game on the line any day of the week.
Only tonight it didn't hold true. All trends come to an end.
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agreed
they got kotsay up with a runner representing the tying run on third. you can't ask for much more than that in an otherwise mediocre performance all around (aside from harden, of course).
can you believe that...
by FoolshGame22 on May 2, 2005 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a nightmare out there...
by OaktownPower on May 2, 2005 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
ellis too
sorry...
by eastbay on May 3, 2005 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Flu bug
by kkdaz on May 3, 2005 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Come on guys...
by LD on May 3, 2005 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Marco did his part
Don't you just swell with pride
by Checkswing HR on May 2, 2005 11:19 PM PDT reply actions
Although Scutaro did come through, Kotsay did not
Sad, but...
Why is that sad?
by Tyler Bleszinski on May 2, 2005 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry,
by timed exposure on May 3, 2005 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually
Also, Kenny Rogers just plain owns us. It's unbelievable. I always expect the worst when he pitches against us..
The offense producing 0 runs in 8 innings
Uh oh. The A's are making me talk like a tort lawyer.
by Checkswing HR on May 3, 2005 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought he only owns us at the Coliseum?
by sf drift king on May 3, 2005 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
it would be comical if it wasn't so sad
by china bob on May 3, 2005 3:45 AM PDT reply actions
we are 13-13
by Athletics fan and runner on May 3, 2005 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
the last A's homer
Its funny, the reason i remember is because i was watching Baseball Tonight waiting for highlights, missed (???) the A's game but caught 'Touch Em All' ....
... and they didn't show Durazo; the only thing I positively knew happened in that game.
by popcornjames on May 3, 2005 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Only Pittsburgh (15) has fewer HRs than A's (16)
A's have hit one HR in last 7 games.
2002 A's hit 205 HRs and scored 800 runs (almost 5 per gaes)
2005 A's on pace to hit fewer than 100 HRs and score 586 runs.
by HerbWashington on May 3, 2005 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Since the A's Don't Hit Home Runs ...
I generally agree with the "don't give up an out" philosophy, but that assumes the team is bunching together a few big hits. Gotta get from first-to-second-to-third-to-home, somehow.
Guys have been getting on base. The problem has been getting around all four of them.
by Eck on May 3, 2005 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, about the "boring" part anyway
I really don't think it's too early
Hmmmm
Then there are the half and halfs, the ones who aren't trolly but still make really annoying comments like "This is all Macha's fault".
Then the people who never use their brains and logic and go by heart 100 percent of the time, even if it is wrong (like blaming Macha for this loss).
Athletics Nation will never get to the point when i stop coming here, but some people here make me want to scream in anguish and disgust.
Macha doesn't control Kielty and Ellis making errors.
Macha doesn't control the offensive woes. We had the best situation possible: Oour best hitter up with a runner on third and the game on the line. I suppose it's his fault Cordero threw an unhittable slider (when Kotsay is looking for something else).
Blaming Macha for not bringing in pithching doesn't cut it. Harden is just plain dealing, and he may have asked Macha to stay in. You never know. I also thinks he wanted to get him a win. If Ellis turns that DP, we wouldn't even be talking about this.
Not getting a pinch hitter for Byrnes is questionable, but think about what it would do to the guys psyche. Winning comes first, but he can't just do that to Byrnesy. Besides, then what? Pinch hit with Melhuse? Then there is no backup catcher. IF we really needed( only in extreme situations) Melhuse could play third (so we could keep him in the game available for position switch to catcher) and Chavez move to the outfield or something like that, but that seriously hurts our defense if we get to extra innings. If Byrnesy will ever get out of this, it will be by getting a key hit in a key situation likes this one.
Blaming Macha for this loss is something an un-intelligent, heart on sleeve not thinking type person who can't take an A's loss and have to go off.
This reminds me...
So you have to understand, when some people were screaming for Macha's head in the 9th, it's because we fear seeing our premier pitcher runned into the ground so early on in the season. With such an improved bullpen, Macha shouldn't hesitate to turn to it this season...
Thats true
2 points
- I wonder if Macha has looked at the schedule and the way the entire rotation is pitching and is seeing that Harden and Zito will be getting extra days of rest here and there. Yes, Saarloos has a 5.33 ERA, but surprisingly we have won quite a few of the games he has started, so skipping him every opportunity may not be that important.
- Harden was throwing 98MPH strikes in the 9th.
well
I hope you're not referring to us, ohad.
I'm not
You can question moves any talk you want, it will always happen. But i didn't say anything about your type that questioned whether he should have pinch hit (1 example) because you didn't specifically say it's macha's fault (the loss) (and i assume that you didn't say it's his fault because you knew that if Kielty and Ellis didn't make errors the A's win this game among other things)
in another game thread
You jumped on me right away. And all I did was ask someone to tell me what the reason for it was.
If the people in the game thread are to be held to a standard in which they must use logic, then you should be held to the same standard. History should tell you that I'm not one to go on rants OR blame Macha for losses.
I like you, ohad. And it troubles me that I felt the need to respond to your post. But I don't appreciate being the victim of your policing. Especially when I know that I, among others, don't deserve it.
If other's should be more careful with their words...and it's seems like that what you're asking...I'd like you to do the same.
I jumped on you?
How am i policing you? I just said in the previous post that i wasn't referring to you in my little rant....
I didn't tell people to be careful with their words. The point of my post was that i was annoyed with people who weren't thinking before they spoke and doing baseless ranting.
Hi
so
can anyone explain why Macha took Duke out and put Street in to face Boone?
by Sharon on Sun May 01, 2005 at 12:24:50 AM GMT
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Numbers maybe
Can we not look for things to blame Macha on? It's most of the time not his fault, but i always read posts like "why wasn't he pinch hit for" and blah blah and so on. Macha has reason that you don't know about.
This is what happened. I answered your question actually in my title, and the way you said it it came off as a blame on Macha. This wasn't an attack on you though at all. The body isn't attacking, the last line is though. Sorry.
I accept your apology
I do think you tend to get annoyed so much to the point that everytime you see someone wonder about Macha's moves, you assume it's b/c they think Macha is crap.
thinking before they speak
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/4/30/1989/24159/69#69
That's what I'm talking about. If that's not policing...then I don't know what is. In that post, you're obviously annoyed with with people asking why certain players aren't pinch hit for...something I did in last night's thread. That's why today's post from you is relevant to me.
You say that you're only targeting the people who hang losses on Macha, but you seem to be annoyed, in general, with anyone that questions Macha's moves. I think you're letting all of this get to you...b/c two days ago, what I wroter bugged the heck out of you, but today, suddenly, it's okay.
And for the record: I have no problem with people who blame Macha for losses. Their just opinions. They could be wrong, they could be right. Like most, I don't like the crazy ranting and extreme negativity. I know how suffocating it can be.
I don't get thisi
The reason it's ok now and it wasn't before is because i know the intention.
Why are you taking that comment as somethign it wasn't. It didn't bug the heck out of me, i was just annoyed. Againt, i tried to answer your question, even though it came off as a baseless attack (which again, i realize that wasn't the intention)
Policing: To regulate, control, or keep in order with or as if with a law enforcement agency (from the dictionary)
Did i really "police" you? Or did i express frustration in what i thought was in attack on someone who didn't deserve it (Again, i realize now that it's not what i thought) I order and control what you say. I started the sentence with "can we not". Thinking back to writing this, there was no mean, policing intention at all. I just misunder stook your comment, thats all.
you should ask yourself why
but
So I'm going to close by saying that you're an intelligent person(notice I didn't use "kid") :)
And I enjoy discussing the A's with you. Also, AN is much more enjoyable when the A's win.
Ok
I would drink apple juice with you
STOP IT!
You two are in love with each other!
Now why don't you go off and have a few beers and make up?
Oh right, Ohad's not legal yet. Well, I'll step up and take one for the team, and have a few beers for him.
Ohad, if you need me, I'll be off having a few beers with your soon-to-be-future-ex-wife.
By the looks of this comment.....
:)
There is a belief that Ohad
I could still be Billy Beane
True, but
what's "meaningless"?
The A's are still on a pace to score fewer than 600 runs this year. If we continue on this offensive pace, we will be VERY lucky to get 85 wins (we've been awfully lucky to win as many as we have already). Last night was a perfect example of the kind of game we can expect to play: minimal offense and one or two little mistakes cost us the game.
Plus, I was there last night and I have to admit that it did feel like the only fans who were there were "friends and family" of the team. Walking over the ramp from BART I could hardly believe there was going to be a game. Maybe I'm wrong, but I could almost feel Harden (and maybe Kielty and Chavez) reacting to the empty stadium in that first inning. Kudos to the fans who were there, though, they were a good group of loyal rooters.
Noticed that on TV too.
I'm gonna be out there tonight though. Hope to see a few of you guys out there too.
I'll be there too
by sf drift king on May 3, 2005 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I was there last night
Nobody Gets It Yet.
I believe it's happened three times this year already. The guy in front of Scutaro walks and he drives in an RBI or two. If not for the Kielty shuffle in the first inning, it would have been extra innings with momentum in the A's favor.
However, in his defense, I heard on the TV broadcast that a flu bug was going around and Kielty was one of those bit. When they showed him in the dugout later in the game, he looked absolutely miserable like he should be laid out in bed.
Kotsay was also down with the flu (he said he was "at 60%"), which probably explains why he didn't club a two run double to win the game against Cordero.
When will we see Melhuse?
Chavez and Durazo continue to do nothing (neither hit the ball hard all night), and Macha won't take him out of the 3-hole.
The hitting is woefully weak, as I think there was only one ball hit out of the infield (Hatteberg) until the sixth inning.
Melhuse and Ginter are both power threats, and Macha's dogmatic approach is keeping them rotting on the bench while mediocre pitchers shut the A's down night after night.
On a final rant, Rogers wasn't even dealing last night. He was all over the place the first few innings and the A's were just having bad AB's.
Chavez and Durazo
As for Durazo: He has a six game hit streak and has moved his OPS from 557 on april twenty fourth to 687 as of now. He's seriously coming out of it and is even batting .250
I know, what a waste.
We all know Melhuse can hit and has some pop, so why doesn't Macha use him more in situational hitting is just puzzling to me??
by sf drift king on May 3, 2005 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not saying to bench Chavez ...
Amazing to be Even
In the outfield we've got one starting MLB stud with Kotsay and he's surrounded by 4th/OFs. All of them are backups, except Swisher who's a genuine prospect who is genuinely out of the lineup.
This offense is just not working. And there's no reason to believe we're going kick into a higher gear. Yes, many players are performing below their career averages, but even at their career numbers this would be an incredibly light hitting team.
I don't mean to sound so pessimistic - I'm not. I think that many of the pieces are in place for a championship team. But I would also like to contend this year, and we can't do it with this lineup. No way.
Bet on Billy making a trade for power before the end of May. That's the only hope for this season.
True enough ...
It's only may
Patience
You can't blame Kielty for the loss. This team should score more than three runs. The A's have won a few games with breaks this year and they will lose a few too.
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