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How Low Can We Go?

As I expressed yesterday, someone just keeps lowering that limbo pole and somehow the A's keep contorting themselves under it.  The team was swept by the Devil Rays and the offense was miserable again today.  Wouldn't you know the minute Haren turns his fortunes around, the offense would shrivel up again?

I'm feeling dejected and my morale feels pretty low right now since I was so excited about this season (mostly because I knew every team in the West had significant flaws - I don't think anyone thought Kenny Rogers would turn into Sandy Koufax).  I thought it would be exciting to see the younger guys compete, the solid pen, the top of the order hit and Zito regain his form.  And like I said yesterday, everything needed to break right for the team to compete this year.  It hasn't because of the injuries, the dogpaddling middle of the order and inconsistent starting pitching.  But that doesn't mean that I'm going to take the A's flag off my car or stop wearing A's gear every day.  Even if the johnny-come-lately Red Sox or Yankee fans taunt me for it.  I know our day will come.  And soon.

Still, it's a painful time to be a green and gold supporter.  I have one simple question, and the answer is probably yes now since we're in the moment, but is this the lowest you've felt as an A's fan?  Is there another time when it felt worse in recent years?  I can't remember.  Maybe the Boston series with Tejada and Byrnes?  I realize that this team was built for the future, but no one really thought it would be as bad as it is right now before the season began.

By the way, if ever I was looking forward to meeting people at AN Day, this year is it.  I need some commiserating company.  Oh, and in the next week I'll be bringing you an inside look at our future.  That might just become the general thrust of AN for the time being.  Stay tuned.

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Is this the lowest you've felt as an A's fan?
Yes
45 votes
No
79 votes
Lower that limbo stick - we're just getting warmed up
24 votes
Keep the faith!
57 votes

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tough times
This is the worst I've ever felt as an A's fan because I started getting into baseball in 2000 and the A's had been winners since that point.

Maybe everyone else was right - this is a rebuilding year. Let's call a spade a spade.

However I'd been giving this a lot of thought the past couple of days and I decided that I would remain positive and upbeat.

I still have faith that the A's are a good team. I still believe that Billy Beane knows best. I'm trying not to take out my bitterness on guys like Kendall and Charles Thomas.

After all, I'm also learning that a true fan sticks with their team even during the losing years. I love the A's. I'm not going to give up on them now.

I have faith.

by BillybUcko on May 26, 2005 5:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's beautiful
And that's exactly how I feel.  I do still believe that Billy knows what he is doing and I just think it's hysterical that so many folks are coming out of the woodwork to attack him now.  Of course, that doesn't make the losing this season any easier.

The Devil Rays have quite a few good hitters, but still...that pitching should get hammered.

by Blez on May 26, 2005 5:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my story is similar to yours
I'm pretty new to baseball, also. I've had a favorite football team since I was a kid, but nothing compares to my love for the A's.

The A's can keep losing...but I'll always look forward to the next game.

by Sharon on May 26, 2005 5:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know it's tough...
I've been an A's fan since they moved to Oakland, and there have been way worse teams than this one.  Right now they seriously suck and until they can somehow break out of this mental fog and over-thinking everything I expect them to get worse.  But there is hope - there is a core of talented young players on the Oakland roster.  You just don't get to the Majors unless you have the physical ability - what the A's need is to let the reflexes and instincts they have been honing since they were in Little League take over.  

They'll get there but it may be an ugly trip for awhile.

by wingwiper on May 26, 2005 6:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

morale boost
No doubt this has been the most depressing period of A's baseball for me.  Although I have followed the A's since my childhood, I have not always been as fanatical as I am these days and that is why I think this (hopefully short) era is so depressing.  

I think it is also a matter of expectations.  Just like Blez, I really thought we would be really good this year.  I thought the pitching might be a little rough given all the new guys, but I thought we had a solid pen that would carry us along.  Probably the biggest surprise has been our anemic offense.  I could have never guessed it would this bad.  I don't think we can call ourlselves the "swinging A's" anymore.  I also thought we were so much smarter--read moneyball--than other organizations.  And perhaps that was true at one time.  But perhaps Beane and co. really don't have much of a leg up anymore on market inefficiencies.  

All in all, this has been a really low point.  I have to say, not long ago someone wrote the "maybe there just not that good" post and it has really helped me.  I have lowered my expectations of the A's and now I simply enjoy watching them play.  They are underdogs and I like that.   It is easy to be a Yankees fan.  It is not always easy to be an A's fan as Blez points out.  But I wouldn't trade places for anything.  I like what we have, even if it is not working well right now.

by island of misfit toys on May 26, 2005 5:48 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glad I could help!
Thanks for the nod to my liberating post about letting go and getting past the fact that, they're just not that good.

Original Post:

http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2005/5/10/1328/89650

2nd favorite team: WHOEVER IS PLAYING THE GIANTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by ConcordFanSince1968 on May 26, 2005 7:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it did help...alot
I was really beating myself up in the early part of the season.  It was really upsetting.  But accepting that they are not that great this year (and that is as far as I go because I think we will be good next year) has allowed me to enjoy watching this young team make the mistakes that nearly all young teams make.  They are a work in progress.  As for the more senior non-performers, I have let go of that too.  It has been liberating.  I just like to watch them now and when they win I feel great.  When they lose, I am disappointed, but not nearly as much.  After all, they just aren't that great this year.

by island of misfit toys on May 26, 2005 8:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bottom Line
This team is underachieving like no team I've seen in years. I know we follow them closely so every strikeout seems magnified, but when asked why the A's are so bad, I really don't know. I mean, I know they're terrible right now, but they just shouldn't be. This isn't crazy optimism here. Everybody is underachieving. Chavez isn't a bad player. Neither is Kendall. What the hell is going on here? I'm serious! Why is this happening all at once? Was Byrnes' missed home plate and Giambi's non-slide not enough? The whole league is laughing at us, just like they always wanted to ...

by Crosbino on May 26, 2005 5:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i really relate to this sentiment.
The errors are just unprecedented.

That doesnt even count the base-running errors, or RISP/LOB.

I keep thinking that the happy-go-lucky nature of our team that was so prevalent in the Giambi/Tejada/Big Three era(s) has really left the building; Chavez is our 6 Million Dollar Man, and I think he's probably carrying a lot of weight on his shoulders, more than he knows how to handle.

The way I see it, this team was 'auditioning' for a starting lineup in April, by May injuries decimated us (leaving Beane to wonder, 'whats the best course of action?'), and the Team Chemistry that was IMHO the secret of our success is floundering. Who's starting tomorrow? Who's getting traded? Who's getting sent down?

I'm keeping the faith, i'm just thinking that the team isnt all THAT different from last year, why are we leading the league in errors?? This was a good defensive team last year!

I guess we really are missing Mulder and Hudson, for all the ground-balls they induced.

by popcornjames on May 26, 2005 6:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a rebuilding year, blez,
so, as I've said before, the A's have 4 1/2 months to watch their young players evolve. Some will make progress and contribute to a longterm contending team starting possibly as early as next season.

And what has happened was inevitable as, sans a salary cap, low revenue teams like the A's will have to deal good players they've developed like Hudson, Mulder, Miguel and Jason. Hopefully, most of the youngsters acquired or drafted in their stead will lead to another interesting playoff team for several seasons to come. Just be patient.

Again, baseball is just another form of entertainment. And I respectfully suggest that if it is too painful for some of you to watch this evolutionary process the A's are undergoing, do yourself a favor and find a more pleasant way to fill your recreational hours.

Observing the gradual progress of talented young players should be a reward in itself. Those who feel a need to constantly bitch and moan should get a life. Or perhaps find a dominatrix. ;)

by reztips on May 26, 2005 6:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

getting used to it
I've reached the point where I expect us to lose every game, and I get my pleasure from spotting things that do go well and give hope for the future. Like Haren today: I really think he's going to be good. Next year's rotation anchored by Harden, Zito and Haren should be a solid one. And of course there's Street. Soon I expect we'll have some more callups from the minors to watch and we can enjoy seeing how they do.

Oh, and every once in a while the team will shock us by actually winning a game, and then I can really be   happy for a bit.

by matthias on May 26, 2005 6:15 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A couple thoughts...
I don't think this "is a rebuilding year" in some "we knew it in February" way, but I think it is becoming one out of circumstance.

What's hard for me about this, compared to the playoff heartbreaks and debacles, is that in the playoff years there had been the excitement of a pennant race. My biggest fear in a baseball season is the boredom/lack of adrenaline that comes with an early exit from contention. Yes, there is an excitement about watching young talent develop, but it's not quite comparable to the excitement of a race. We've had that excitement every year from 1999 on and this is the first year in 7 where we're faced with the very real possibility that there will be no heartbreaks to fear.

So yes, for me, it's a 7-year low, tempered by the fact that the years ahead look brighter than they would for most teams sitting with the A's current W/L record.

Nico

by Nico on May 26, 2005 6:16 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm anticipating
some pretty lonesome nights at the Coliseum (will attendance be 10k this Tuesday night?).  Nights like that when you're sitting in the upper deck the hum of the lights is louder than anything in the ballpark... well, I'll be there.

by Brian in 317 on May 26, 2005 9:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fyi
I'm going to the game with friends this Tuesday night. We know there will be a bigger turnout on Monday because of the fireworks so we're going as a show of support on one of those "lonesome nights."

Go A's!

I have faith.

by BillybUcko on May 27, 2005 8:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Us too
Three more fans hoping for a pleasant surprise.  See you there!
"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."-Mark Twain

by kkdaz on May 27, 2005 9:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no school, no excuses.
I'll be there, most likely LF bleachers.
The thing I hate most about San Francisco besides the Giants is their f'd up politics.

by sf drift king on May 27, 2005 12:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not the worst ...
byrnes missed plate and tejada stopping running was much worse. oh and everytime i see highlights of gimpy running around the bases pumping his fist it still make me want to break something.  does anyone even remember anything about the 89 series?  losing the division in our house when angel fans practically outnumbered a's fans last year was pretty low.  we had it in the bag against teams we despise and threw it away. those were truly low times.

this team is definitely underachieving and i've oscillate between hope and despair with every win and loss, and it's pretty sad, but the bad season doesn't nearly have as much emotional impact as the history of heartbreak a's fans have lived through.  as optimistic as i am, i still didn't think we'd break any wins records this year. the reality is this season we need to see what we got.  and don't forget, it ain't over yet.  

thanks blez for keeping the site and the spirits up!

let's go oak-land!

by mookyee on May 26, 2005 6:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BB's Deals
In addition to the fascination of watching young players like Haren, Blanton, Swisher, Street, Johnson, and Meyer (at Sacto), it will be most interesting to see what trades BB makes.

Certainly, BB should wait for the most part until the trading deadline to garner greatest value. He most assuredly will have to do that with Dotel and Durazo because they are currently hurt. And if Johnson doesn't hit, he will have no reason to part with Hatte. But Bumblin Byrnesy should be dispatched elsewhere post haste as his lame-brained play is not a good influence on the younger players...

Witness the game today: ByrnesBrain, in the words of Ray Fosse, could have caught the triple that led to the Ray's two runs if he had taken the right route to the ball. How often have the A's experienced similar misplays by ByrnesBum. And those saying he should play more regularly should note that he has started 4 of the last 5 games and garnered but two basehits. And he's supposed to hit southpaws so well--the Gnats pitched three lefties in a row vs the A's and Kazmir yesterday is a southpaw who started for the A's.

So you can see Byrnesbrain is next to useless. Hopefully, other teams might misread his abilities the way so many do on AN...

by reztips on May 26, 2005 6:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Byrnes Basher
not worth reading your spilled bile.
**sigh**

by Just Me on May 27, 2005 8:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whoops
Of course, should read Kazmir yesterday is a southpaw who started for the Rays.

I think Haren will utimately eclipse Huddy as a money pitcher for the A's. He surely has the stuff and lacks only the experience...

by reztips on May 26, 2005 6:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worse years-plenty of them
The '93 and '86 years were pretty tough years- not much to write home about on either of those teams- except perhaps the acquisition of Larussa in 86' presented a glimmer of promise for the future. And what a future it was!

I didn't think we'd be a contender this year but I didn't expect a total collapse either.  But hang in there Blez- like every disfunctional team of the past- the A's always seem to pull it together eventually.

Go A's!

The greenmachine

by greenmachine on May 26, 2005 6:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was there in '86
when Stewart punched out Corrales. The highlight of the season.

Best baseball fight I've ever seen.

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on May 26, 2005 9:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, in 86 I enjoyed...
watching Dave Kingman and Jose bat.  Nobody hit a popup like Dave Kingman...He must have hit the top of more domes than any one in history.

by MemphisA on May 27, 2005 7:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eric Byrnes tries to pop-up like Kingman
.... but Byrnesie's weak flies are poop-ups.

'Kong' Kingman's pop-ups were majestic, manly, MAJOR-LEAGUE POP-UPs ... the kind you could start a campfire under and roast marshmellows under before catching them !!

by HerbWashington on May 27, 2005 7:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

c'mon 1979 .... 54-108 that's low
... they only won 1/3 of their games that season. Ironically, they weren't the worst team in the league because Toronto was 53-109.

even I don't think the A's will finish 54-108 this season. though the D-backs lost 111 last season and Tigers lost 119 the season before that.

I guess 54-108 is possible this season. I'm a 'realist/cynic' but I don't think they'll drop 108  this season

1994 -- not only a strike year -- but the A's bottomed out at 17-43 -- Hell, even I don't think the A's will lose their next 14 games to reach that mark of futility.

1986 -- 30-52 at the All-star break. that was bad, but then TLR became manager, Canseco won ROY and the A's actually finished 76-86 (I think)

beyond the nine World Series championships (4 in Oakland) won by the Athletics franchise ... also know that NO American League franchise has LOST as many games as the Athletics, not the Indians, not the Senators/Twins or Browns/Orioles ... the Athletics own that record of distinction.

1977 is similar to 2005 because there was significant roster disruption in 1977 and 1977 ended NINE seasons of winning for the Oakland A's.  

In each of the first nine seasons in Oakland that A's had winning records, so 1977 and its (63-98 record) was a bucket of ice water dumped on top of the head !!

this year's sensation is similar !!

by HerbWashington on May 26, 2005 6:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not even close to the worst
I know Blez is referring to recent A's clubs but for many of us long-time A's fans, this losing spell is far from the worst. How about our 1978-79 teams which were of barely AAA quality? Mario Guerrero starting at shortstop? Dave "Covered in Pigeon Crap" Revering at first base? How about the boring mid-80s teams featuring has beens playing out the string like Bruce Bochte, Dave Collins, Dusty Baker, etc? Or the mid-90s teams with pitchers like Ariel Prieto, Mike Oquist, Mark Acre, etc. They had a season or two in which they didn't have a starter with ten wins or 162 innings pitched.

The really sad thing about those teams was that they were playing to their true level of ability so there wasn't any hope things would get better. We had to wait for the next generation of prospects to work their way through the system each time. The current squad has several players who are playing way below expectations so we can look at them without our green and gold glasses and feel confident they're going to do better. Still, there are a few moves that need to be made.

They could start by exiling the singles-hitting first baseman/cleanup hitter to the bench or the NL so Dan Johnson can be called up. I'd be thrilled if Larry Dierker could be hired to manage the team. I don't have anything against Ken Macha but this team looks very comfortable sleepwalking through the season, playing very sloppy baseball. Maybe seeing a head or two roll will get them going. It's not as if Ken Macha is a brilliant motivator or tactician. Larry Dierker is known for something I think the A's deperately need -- his pitching staffs allow very few walks.

I know is easy to call for the managers head when things are going badly but in this case, I think it's justified. Something like the Menechino/Tam/Jeremy purge of a few seasons ago is needed to send a message to this team.

by Charlie O on May 26, 2005 6:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
I was going to mention those late-70's teams.  Boy, was that a bad time.  That old fart Charile Finley was systematically dismantling the franchise.  Really depressing, especially after the early-70's run they had.

I remember having one of my birthdays at the coliseum back then, and the attendance was Tampa Bay-like.  Scary to think about it.

by Kevin2 on May 26, 2005 9:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wanna be you!
This is what I need to hear! I need reassurance from the longtime A's fans that this is survive-able.

Someday, Charlie O, I wanna be the one posting in 30 years that the rebuilding year of 2005 was my low point and that it never got this bad again.

I believe Billy Beane really is setting us up to be winners for the next several years.

Thank you!

I have faith.

by BillybUcko on May 27, 2005 8:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Comparison
Things have been worse....lots worse.

And it's probably only gonna get worse this season, so get used to it.

So enough with the whining and wimpering.  Buck up, rub some dirt in it, and get out to the Coliseum an root for the A's.

by Mission1929 on May 26, 2005 6:51 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way...
88 WS Game 1.

2003 ALDS Games 3,4,5.

2001 ALDS Game 3.

All MUCH lower.  This was at least a bit expected

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on May 26, 2005 6:53 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2001 game 3
that was the game that dye broke his leg, right?  that was the 3rd lowest point for me.  dye's break broke our chances

2nd lowest was also games 3,4,5 in 2003  we should have had the championship then too

my absolute lowest point though is a game in 2000, shortly after i became a fan.  i was only 20 and could not understand that when the bosox came to town why they had more fans cheering for them at the coliseum then there were a's fan.  it was at that point i realized what i was getting myself into.  it was almost like i was becoming friends with the stinky kid in high school.

Baseball is like life. It's a day-to-day existence, full of ups and downs. You make the most of your opportunities in baseball as you do in life. - E Harwell

by peoples27 on May 26, 2005 8:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I find....
...this whole thing really interesting. First, for all the diehard fans who are now emotionally drained and morally depressed, relax a bit and look at it the way I did when I read Moneyball (and if you haven't, you're really missing a really enlightening treatise on baseball). Look at it from a business point of view. Tossing money at a problem doesn't often solve it - not even for Steinbrenner. "Business is off" as they say, so what to do?

First, look at your personnel and I'll bet BB has been doing that since spring training. Almost all of you have recommended changes. So have I. The only person that will make those changes is BB. Don't you think it will be fascinating to see what he does, particularly if you read Moneyball? I'm focusing on that - forget the wins and losses. What moves will be made (because they surely will) that can make 'business better'.

Second, look at what has gone wrong so far. The closer lost those 2 in Boston with walk off home runs. Unbelievable, sure, but was he hurt then? If so, why did he pitch at all? Dotel has said recently that he won't be back. If you have an employee that is sounding off like that, do you give him more responsibility? I don't. Look, too, at the fundamentals discussed at length here. Do some of our employees need re-training?
How and when do we do that? As a fan, is there any sign of it being underway? It's sure not  too late in the season to stress basics!

Third, since the long ball seems to have evaporated (as early as the end of last season), can we install a strategy of small ball? Will BB encourage this when we can see in Moneyball that he didn't like it? That will be interesting to watch.

There's more, but Moneyball, to me, was as much about business as it was about baseball and businessmen change tactics all the time - they must if they are to survive.

That's how I'm watching this team now. I see no playoffs in our future this year, but I sure can see some interesting problems that need attention in this 'business of Oakland A's baseball'.

No panic - just reality.  

by doubleplayer on May 26, 2005 6:58 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Future???
If this is the team of the future, we are in trouble!!! Durazo and Hatteberg need to go NOW. Bring up Johnson, trade for a bat to protect Chavez, cuz appearently Chavez is not the MAN. This team has shown that without another offensive threat, Chavez is Teahan. BB better work some magic quick, or this will be a 100+ loss season..

by Murph21 on May 26, 2005 7:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My subject line is a cute kitty
Maybe I'm not the guy you want to hear from right now, but I still think the A's have a good team. As Blez has said, there have been a lot of injuries and crazy things happening.

I'm amazed at how down some people are on Chavez, I know it's probably not how you really feel but some of the things being said are a little crazy. Last year I'm sure you were all loving him for his defense and bat, now all of a sudden he's a big mistake? The guy was close to becoming one of the elite players in the game, two months, however bad, shouldn't change that. Same with Kendall, catchers wear down as they get older but even aging can't come close to explaining his struggles so far. They WILL hit much better as the year goes on.

I thought the trades Beane made in the offseason were both good and necessary and my opinion isn't going to change just because things are looking bad at the moment. Personally, I still think the A's can contend for the division, the Angels and Rangers both have flaws that I believe will become more apparent as the season goes on. If the A's don't win at least, say, 83 games I'll be surprised, and I really do believe that.

Of course this is much easier to say all this as an outsider that only roots for the A's as a secondary interest. I know it sounds ridiculous to say that you should be optimistic at this point and I know it's impossible to not feel down about all this but I bet you'll all be feeling a whole lot better by August. There's too much talent on this team for it to falter all season long; they may have just been swept by the Rays but they're a lot better than the Rays and that will come out as the season goes on.

by Jim Wisinski on May 26, 2005 7:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, question....
How did you get the link in your signature?
www.myspace.com/greenandgoldpride

by GreenNGoldGirl on May 26, 2005 8:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's easy
To evaluate the trades after the fact. There is also a difference, of course, between a bad trade and a trade that doesn't work out. If anyone thought Charles Thomas would hit under .100, raise your hand. Did anyone think we'd get less than .290 from Kendall, let me know. Chill on the trades. Mortaging your future would be an example of a "bad trade." As much as it sucked to lose them, Hudson and Mulder probably had to go. Let's talk about it in five years. By the way, Mulder's not so great this year. Put him on our team, he's 1-7, just like Haren.

by Crosbino on May 26, 2005 7:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good points, Crosbino.
Let me add: Since the true keys to the trades were Meyer and Barton...
  • all those who thought Barton would be 19 this year, raise your hand;
  • all those who thought 2006 would be next year, raise your hand.
The main reason fans and sportswriters are evaluating the trades now is that there's nothing else to do right now. Waiting makes for dull blogging, and patience shows maturity but doesn't sell newspapers.
Nico

by Nico on May 26, 2005 7:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And ...
Really, how much better would this team be WITH Hudson and Mulder? How many more wins would we have? A couple more? And of course, with those two, there's no Dotel/Durazo, who would likely be tearing it up elsewhere. I'm telling you ... there's something about this team that makes people play below their expectations. I'm onto something here ...

by Crosbino on May 26, 2005 8:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

7-1 mulder 3.72era
not so great....oh yeah w-l doesn't matter

by oakwin2004 on May 26, 2005 9:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he'd be 3-6 on this team...
...and we all know it.
I thought I saw an A's offense. I did! I did!

by baseballgirl on May 26, 2005 9:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which means...
he'd lead our Starters in wins

by MemphisA on May 27, 2005 7:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true that Memphis.
so what's your point BBG?

by oakwin2004 on May 27, 2005 8:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Naw
The lowest lowest point was after the 2003 ALDS. That HURT. This is just giving me a BLEH feeling, because we never really looked like we could win it all this year. However, in 2003 I was CONVINCED after going up 2-0 over the Blo Sux that we were destined for greater things. That made our loss in that series even more unbearable.

by OaktownTribesman on May 26, 2005 7:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A suggestion, OaktownTribesman:
Try to find a way to use BLEH on a triple word score. You'll feel better right away!
Nico

by Nico on May 26, 2005 7:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My feelings exactly
The high was so high during the 2003 ALCS that to lose, especially in the way we did, was unbearable.  It took weeks for me to recover.  

by jasonh on May 26, 2005 8:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was there
I was there... that game made me hate the Red Sox. After the game ended, I didn't know what to do, what to say. It felt like someone just died. Adding injury to insult, we lost to Bawston. It was like, OK, Game 5, it's at the Coliseum, we'll take it. One bad pitch from Zito, and Manny hit one that still hasn't landed. There was that feeling of a rally, that there might actually have been life. I'll just stop now. I've gotta stop thinking of the playoffs.

by JLaff on May 27, 2005 12:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh... Manny
hit one that still hasn't landed, and WATCHED IT for like ten minutes on his stroll out of the box... ugh...

okay... yes... let's stop thinking about that series...

by Poppy on May 27, 2005 8:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trashcan
My trashcan still has a huge dent in it because of that homerun.  Before the pitch was thrown, and after about 5 foul balls by Manny, I kept saying to myself, "Don't throw a fastball inside, Don't throw a fastball inside, don't throw a fastball inside - Throw a changeup outside, throw a changeup outside, throw a changeup outside"...

Needless to say, Zito tried to fool Manny with a fastball over the middle of the plate.  

Well, at least we don't have to worry about our boys puking away another "clinch" game in the playoffs, right???

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 27, 2005 10:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Watching Long watch strike 3...
and watching Lowe grab his crotch...

and watching 15K Red Sox fans cheer, like watching someone cheer at a funeral...

was the lowest moment I've had at a stadium.

Getting swept by the DRays is just comedy in comparison.

"Yucky Head Bad Guy!" - my 5-year-old daughter to Manny Ramirez. She got ice cream immediately afterward.

by DMtShooter on May 27, 2005 12:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree...
...not only that, but it was essentially repeating the pain of the previous three years. Losing in the deciding game of the ALDS -- AGAIN. It's like revisiting old dental surgeries.
Eric Chavez: The last former Huntsville Star with the A's...

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on May 27, 2005 1:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So Blez, is this the optimist or pessimist thread?
With all due respect, that was not one of your better moments.

With the exception of major news, I wonder if we ought to put AN into dry dock for a month to give everyone a chance to clear our heads?  It would also enable us to see who comes back after 30 days and is a real fan.

Right now this daily Chinese Water Torture isn't very healthy.

by Rob on May 26, 2005 7:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You don't need Blez
in order to put AN into dry dock for 30 days: Try not logging on for a month.

Give it up, Rob: Unly Diary Police dictates everysing about AN! Chinese Water Torture? Iss for sissies, maybe. Try Yerman authoritarian torture!!!

Nico

by Nico on May 26, 2005 7:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All I have is my passion as a fan
and I'm still an optimist.  Sometimes the overwhelming pessimism from people on this site just bugs me.

I wonder, why be a fan if you think your team sucks and will suck for years?  The optimist and pessimist thread was more tongue-in-cheek than anything.

by Blez on May 26, 2005 8:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely not the lowest
I started following the A's closely in the late 80's/early 90's, and this is nothing compared to the drought in the mid-90's. Those teams were made up of veterans who were way past their prime, and young guys with very little promise. The prospects we did have (Van Poppel, Prieto) totally flamed out, and for a long time you couldn't even see a light at the end of the tunnel.

This is nothing like that. Yes, the team is losing, but there are a lot of things to be excited about. Watching young players like Huston Street, Rich Harden, and Danny Haren, and Crosby when he gets back, you can really see where this team is going. You want something else to make you happy--pay attention to the A's minor league teams, its fun to get excited about the prospects that are playing well. No team will win every year, but it can be fun in a way to watch a time with a lot of promise for the future.

And hey, if you want something to hang your hat on---in 2003 about this time the Marlins were 19-29 and ended up winning the series.

by Alien on May 26, 2005 7:59 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks
I needed that. Yeah, I need to remember I was so excited during ST because we have young blood! Crosby has been gone for so long I lost my head.
I have faith.

by BillybUcko on May 27, 2005 8:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Problem is...
Everyone thinks Crosby is going to save this team.  Do you guys remember how much he struggled last year?  Get ready for a lot of Strikeouts and Ground-into-DP's.

I am excited for the future...but, the future scares me as well.  There are no "sure-fire" prospects in our system.  It's kind of a scary thing.  What if no one pans out?

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 27, 2005 10:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not that he'll "save" the team
But he's our young shortstop and I truly am excited about him and watching his career unfold before our eyes.

Just like in real life, why fear the future? Maybe things will work out, maybe they won't. Maybe our rookies will thrive, maybe they'll nosedive. But we'll be watching, hotdog in hand.

I have faith.

by BillybUcko on May 27, 2005 12:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep
I hear ya.  This dryspell is a test.

Go A's!

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on May 27, 2005 12:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or maybe Crosby will save the team!!!
We're 3-0 since he got back! :-)
I have faith.

by BillybUcko on Jun 2, 2005 8:00 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree
that this is not the lowest as an A's Fan. Pick any of the last 4 ALDS and they are definitely lower. Getting to the playoffs 4 years in a row and going out in Round 1 like the A's did is the lowest.

This season has been interesting and fun to watch with all of the young guns like Harden, Haren, Blanton, and Street. Not to "jinx" them, but if they fall off the face of the earth, it'll be satifying to see them knock some potential playoffs team out of contention. BUT it's always more exciting to root for a playoff-bound team.

by Fongpay on May 26, 2005 8:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's Been Worse
In my opinion, it's been worse, and more recently.  The 2003 playoffs and that called third strike was absolutely shocking.  I was in disbelief.  And last year, The Meltdown.  I think the club died at the Coliseum against the Red Sox in the playoffs.

For me, the disappointment is less now because I expect much less.  

Everyone knows the playoffs are a crap shoot -- and even though the Red Sox were better on paper, losing that match was a real blow to faith.  

Being in the Coliseum that night was my Reality Check to what the As are capable of.  The memory is still painful.

by Dan_Honolulu on May 26, 2005 8:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its not always about winning ...
Although we all want to see our team win, we all follow baseball beacuse we like the game. This is a part of baseball all teams go through, bad years and losing streaks. Losing makes it more enjoyable when you finally do win. Imagine how happy everyone on AN would be if the A's won the the World Series. When you win all the time and have won 3 World Series in a row like the Yankees you kind of get the feeling like what else is there? And it just becomes expected that you win the World Series or at least make it there anything else is a failure. Thats why Red Sox fans were so happy when they won because they hadn't won in over 80 years. All the frustrations of past losing seasons and getting so close to winning the World Series were gone because they finally won. We are losing now but someday we will start winning again,and we will be happier for it........ eventually

by SanTropez on May 26, 2005 8:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It could be worse...
It could be January when we all sit around and jones for baseball. BUT...

Summer is almost here, we have lots of opportunity to go to the Coliseum, sit in the sun, drink beer, eat peanuts, enjoy the company of good friends and root for our beloved Athletics. Yes, it would be nice if they could win, but I've been an A's fan way too long to get too down about all this. As Blez says, "our day will come" and when it does -- it will be sweet!

by noonan on May 26, 2005 8:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Time to fix it
This is my first comment to AN, so please bear with me. I have been a fan since 71. Here is my take. If you look in the dugout, there are no smiles, no fun, no heart. But most important no players sitting with the manager as in years past. There is no love for Macha in the clubhouse. As in 86 they need a change,Washington would liven things up. Ta Ta to Durazo, and bring up Johnson. Lets get his feet wet now.

by billyball1981 on May 26, 2005 8:45 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welcome aboard.
AN would like to welcome you. Please make sure to buckle your seatbelt when Dotel comes into a close game and not to OD on liquor when your team hits an all time low.

Thank you, and enjoy your time here at Athletics Nation.

www.myspace.com/greenandgoldpride

by GreenNGoldGirl on May 26, 2005 8:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fire Macha--Just to make a statement
I hadn't really thought about it, but now that you mention it I think it's a good idea.  I've never seen a third-base coach get as much hype as Wash does here in Oakland.  Might as well give him the reins right now, since Macha sure as hell isn't doing anything with them.  Sure, he's a calm and cool voice of reason, bla bla bla, but you're right--how many A's players do you think would run through walls for him?  Who would miss him?  I'm not as high on Wash as many others, but right now, it's the perfect time to give a new manager a chance.  As Blez said at the start of this thread--it doesn't get much worse than this.  A new coach would have the chance to start at rock-bottom.

by rubin sierra on May 26, 2005 11:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since '71? Unacceptable!
I'm sorry, but I will not welcome bandwagon fans! If you haven't been here since the beginning, then go root for the Red Sox like every other gravy train bandwagon Red Sox fan!
The 2005 season: What won't kill me will only make me stronger.

by Coach Cleats on May 27, 2005 10:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since 71
Sorry! I was only six at the time

by billyball1981 on May 27, 2005 3:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you sure you're new?
Your screen name looks familiar. Anyway, welcome.

It makes you wonder how the losses have affected the team's carefree and playful approach to baseball. They use to have a very special clubhouse chemistry.  Are they still dining together 20 deep and hanging out with each other like they did in the winning yrs. It must be difficult even with this young group.
We lost a lot of team character and personality over the yrs: Tejada, Giambi, Hudson, Mulder, Hernandez, Damon, Dye, Stairs, among others...

This new team just needs to find their own identity and build from there.  

The thing I hate most about San Francisco besides the Giants is their f'd up politics.

by sf drift king on May 27, 2005 1:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

c'mon people! suck it up here!
if 2 months of crappy baseball is causing some of us to slide into clinic depression, well, give your head a shake and come out swingin' tomorrow!

damn, i've been through the wasted 70's, the crappy 80's, and the barren 90's. but through all those yrs there were moments when my beloved a's kicked ass and wrote down names! now we're in a small dry spell here in the 00's and people are turning their noses up to the
kool-aid...c'mon! its cherry! drink up and take it like ya mean it!

ya, the boys are playing bad baseball right now. sure, there will be changes to this team...and SOON! but really, here is the bottom line to all you rookies: this type of experience is a HUGE part of being a fan of a small market team who will annually spend in the bottom 1/3 of the league. successes and failures will come in waves. ya better just accept it or be prepared for  multiple nervous breakdowns...or better yet, go cheer for the yankees ( i'd hate to see/read someone's mental health de-compensate
:-).  

go a's!
 

The "Free Matt Watson from Sacramento-Redux" Committee is back in business...taking new memberships...crap!!!

by bigelephant on May 26, 2005 8:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right On Big E!
   Back in '79 there was no hope. The A's Empire was dead. On one night only 600+ showed up at the Mausoleum to see the A's and Brewers. Then a funny thing happened...A New Hope in the form of the greatest combination of power and speed. His name was Rickey Henderson. Out of dregs of a lost season came the player who proclaimed, after breaking Lou Brock's record, "I AM THE GREATEST!!"
   Who will be the next to step up and capture our imagination. Only time and patience will tell.
This franchise has a long history of feast or famine. If this season is too painful, go find an old Philadelphia A's fan and gain a little perspective.

by Gerard on May 26, 2005 9:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly G!!!!
The "Free Matt Watson from Sacramento-Redux" Committee is back in business...taking new memberships...crap!!!

by bigelephant on May 27, 2005 8:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was bad in 79 but....
79 was bad, I know, I went to 55 games that year, and saw 11 wins! I saw Rickey's first game. They lost 108, but there were some positives that year.Three triple plays, all started by Wayne Gross, MLB record. But the same team won 83 in 1980. So It is possible that new blood at the helm can make a difference. Hang in it will get better, DJ is coming!! Go A's

by billyball1981 on May 27, 2005 9:23 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How could this be worse than...
TJ Matthews, George Williams the catching prospect, Mike Oquist, Dave Telgheder, Damon Mashore, Jimmy Haynes... this is the worse I have felt since just before Ben Grieve arrived on the scene.
97 losses... that was the lowest... and then three years later was pretty alright... I think of this year a lot like I did in 98 and 99.

by jeffro on May 26, 2005 9:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just curious:
Has anyone ever actually seen Dave Telgheder and Tim Harikkala at the same time?

Yes, BigElephant, it isn't "naive" to have a hopeful outlook in the face of disillusioning results, it's good mental health. Hopeful, positive people have better lives, because they live the "serenity prayer" but still get to drink!

Nico

by Nico on May 26, 2005 9:09 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'ii drink to that, what are ya drinking?
The "Free Matt Watson from Sacramento-Redux" Committee is back in business...taking new memberships...crap!!!

by bigelephant on May 26, 2005 9:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

low points
I watched Mike Oquist give up 10 runs over 5 innings to the yankees. That was pretty low. But then Sal Fasano hit a HR to dead center that broke the window of a lucury box on Mt. Davis, earning him his nickname.

There's always a silver lining for sticking with the team.

by MrIncognito on May 26, 2005 9:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was there as well
That was the most pathetic live game I have seen.  Howe left Oquist in as some sort of twisted life lesson.  The mid 90s weren't even worthy of projectile vomit.  Leave that to T Short vs Bofucks.  This year is just a breather.  Exale.  Enjoy the sun.  The calender moves along.

by Patrick on May 26, 2005 11:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jumping in the discussion late here...
I've still tried to remain optimistic here in the face of our struggles.  Kendall went 2-3 today!  Haren turned it around, and Street did very well too.  This will be a season of ups and downs, and I'm prepared for it.  Our young guys will develop, and Beane will acquire the final pieces of our championship runs for the years to come.  

I'll be looking forward to seeing the A's grow and gel as a unit.  And I'm confident that, despite our problems this year, we will be a strong team in the years to come.

On a side note, I think it's really sad that two months of struggles have many in the Athletics Nation writing off the next 5 years.  That is a fatalist attitdue if I ever saw one.  That's not being "realistic," that's being ridiculous.  Let's rally around our boys when they need us the most.  Show them we're still behind them, and drive them to be better!

A's fan for life!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on May 26, 2005 9:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One big hit or many small drubbings?
I do agree that the A's have seen worse in recent times.  I'm not going to talk about the post-strike suckiness and the 80's because I'm a little too young to make a qualified remark on that (but I do remember those times, I'm 23).  The ALDS did hurt, but it was one big hit and it was over.

This season is just a bunch of small hits, time after time again.  A like dull annoying pain that just won't go away.  I knew the A's weren't going to the playoffs but I never envisioned this.  And offense that scores runs during blowouts but can't in close games.  A team that is seemingly made out of glass (Durazo hurt from a practice toss!?!).  Kendall's horrible defense (and I thought it was just "sub-par") and the defensive miscues that lead to so many "hard-luck" losses.

Trust me, all I'm asking out of these A's is just to stop sucking so bad.  I'm not asking for playoffs or an ALDS series victory or a World Series ring.  All I'm asking for is some exciting A's baseball.  Because whatever I see on TV or hear on KGOD 610 AM or witness live at the Coliseum isn't exciting.

"Now is the winter of our discontent," but will it be made into a "glorious summer" by some good A's baseball?

"First of all, I'm not calm about it. Every time they lose, I freak out." - Andy Painter

by secret ASian man on May 26, 2005 9:48 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

20 straight wins
We've just won 20 straight games, it's Sept. and we are peaking at just the right time. Then the Twinkies with AJ.(freaking) Pierzynski come in to our house and clean our clocks. How low can it go?

by Graybeard on May 26, 2005 9:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Game 5
In coleseum, Billy Koch vs AJ. Bing! 3-run jack. Angels go to WS. It was a blue,blue day.

by Graybeard on May 26, 2005 10:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the hardest part to me
is watching the apparent passive numbness that I have come to associate with Macha/Young/Zito/Chavy, instead of the proactive intensity I associate with Kotsay/Kendall (the real Jason, that is, who is always welcome to show up).

I thought Kotsay/Kendall would be the "face" of the A's, but to watch a whole team go through the motions looking like a deer in the headlights makes me want to book Curt Young to be the motivational speaker at my funeral.

Nico

by Nico on May 26, 2005 10:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Proudly Serving Since 1968
I've been an A's fan since they moved to Oakland in my senior year at Irvington High. Got to go the '72 & '74 Series games (in Afghanistan in the Peace Corps in '73 or I would have been 3 for 3). IMHO there have been a lot better teams and a whole lot worse teams over the years. But they're still "my" team and I still root for them.

Most frustrating thing for me is just listening to the games or watching on TV (we get a game every two or three weeks on Fox Sports or ESPN over here). When I'm actually at the Coliseum I'm never bored, rarely as frustrated, and always enjoy the company of my fellow fans. Dang, I can't wait to get 'home' for a few weeks at the end of July.

I will be staying thru AN Day2 and, like Blez and others, am really looking forward to hoisting a few with my fellow sufferers.  The phrase "drowning our sorrows" definately has ring to it these days.

The AN Embassy here in Manama has a special Secure Room for our green & gold party hats. They're safely put away for the moment, but can be brought back out in a heartbeat. Just give us an excuse to cheer!

"Holy Manama!" ~Bahrain, 5,000+ miles east of Toledo :-)~

by NomAd on May 26, 2005 10:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

90 world series
I started watching the A's as a kid in 1988 when the bash brothers were hot.  The weeks following the 1990 World Series were pretty low - I mean, considering how good that 1990 team was, it was tough to lose 4 straight, even embarrasing.  I guess 1988 was similar, but I was too new to the game to understand.  The 1989 World Series was great, but everyone was bummed out because of the earthquake.  When the A's went bad in the mid 90s, I followed them from a distance, then got excited again when Grieve & Tejada came up in 1998.  

When I compare this stretch to past regular seasons past, I suppose this is the lowest moment.  Remember, April 2001 was pretty bad, but then they went on a 4-month tear after May.  Yet still, considering my expectations (I honestly thought this team could win 85-90 games), I suppose this right now is pretty bad.  The A's have managed to break my heart time and time again in the postseason, and they pissed me off when they traded McGwire, lost Giambi, ect.  On the other hand, this is really bad.  They'll be back though.

by sonomanate on May 26, 2005 10:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was 8 years old
during the '90 World Series and I remember thinking the A's are losing to the Reds?  Don't remember too clearly, I was just a kid back then.  I'm still a kid, just a grown up one.
"First of all, I'm not calm about it. Every time they lose, I freak out." - Andy Painter

by secret ASian man on May 27, 2005 2:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Children, children, children...
You're just babies!!! hahaha.
Actually that's one of the things I really like about being an A's fan and a member of AN - we're a very diverse group - ages, genders, backgrounds, etc.  Kinda like a family - but we get to choose who's gunna be our brothers and sisters. :-)
"Holy Manama!" ~Bahrain, 5,000+ miles east of Toledo :-)~

by NomAd on May 27, 2005 4:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm happy
Okay, maybe that's a little strong. But I'm glad Haren pitched a strong game. I guess this year I'm happy for anything that signals growth from the foundations of our future: BoCro, Swish (obviously not last night, but I'm glad he's back), Haren, Harden.

The toughest part for me to accept of the recent disaster has been the fielding errors. I figured the pitching would be a rollercoaster and the offense would be up and down, but I thought fielding could be something reasonable. And the errors look pretty sloppy. I don't know who we have to fire or hire (maybe that motivational guy who smashes bricks) to get rid of the mental errors, but I'd vote for that.

And I'd like the team to play up to its potential. I could deal with the losing more if I didn't think it was a good team if everyone played in the neighborhood of their talent.  So... I can't wait for Rich IV and Crosby to come back! And I hope Calero will sort or regain his touch. I'm not sure we'll miss Dotel if Street keeps growing up.

by Apricot on May 26, 2005 10:34 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, Apricot
I just saw that you live in Berkeley (as I do). If you ever want, you have an open invitation to come hang with me and share the misery of a game together. It's my way of acknowledging that you play a mean game of verbal "chicken". Our senses of humor are, sadly, compatible--easily the two worst on AN.

To others, btw, for the record: I'd be happy to host an AN group for a TV game sometime (big house, good set-up for a small group) but I can never figure out who lives nearby. (Minors would be welcome as long as they had a note from their parents, or at least a note from my parents.)

Just a thought, at a time when there might be enough misery to need company!

Nico

by Nico on May 26, 2005 10:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

excellent idea
We're sort of preoccupied around here with the impending baby... but let's plan on it some time.

by Apricot on May 26, 2005 11:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm In
Hey Nico, Apricot & other locals. I'm in Berkeley and would be up for some TV torture.  At least I know you two will keep me laughing if the game turns in to a "laugher" and not in our favor.  Have snacks, will travel.  Let me know when it's on :)

by batgirl on May 27, 2005 11:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm in Montclair.
I'd bring some take-out from Crogan's and a box of Lasalle cigars.

Give Bill Aboomerad (sp?) a call today.

by Checkswing HR on May 27, 2005 12:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like a great time
I'm right down the road in the O.
The next time I slap a guy's ass, can we all just assume it's because I wish I was a baseball player?

by devo on May 27, 2005 12:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To those who replied
to my "hang out together" idea: glad some folks are interested! I'm on a school schedule, so I was thinking about after school's out--maybe in about a month? This would give Apricot's baby a chance to get born, and reach a stage of complete independence (possibly even drive Apricot over to the house).

I'll post a diary within the week where people can respond specifically on this, and hopefully plans will be made to form the first meeting of NCGODO (Nico's Commisserating Group Of Depressed Optimists).

Go A's...you lovable suckfests you!

Nico

by Nico on May 27, 2005 3:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um, could you schedule it
before June 13 or after July 18? I'll be out of the country. I'll bring extra cigars.

by Checkswing HR on May 27, 2005 3:45 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe I'll try for just before June 13...
Make sure to mention that in the diary (where I will be able to consolidate all the info).
Nico

by Nico on May 27, 2005 3:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still think...
the A's defense will turn around as soon as the offense does.  It really is a package deal.

And it would be fun to get some ANers together to watch a game.  Even if we lose, at least we can share the pain (and drink it away ;) ).

A's fan for life!!!

by ZeroIndulgence on May 26, 2005 10:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly, ZeroIndulgence,
and I forgot to mention I do have a liquor cabinet full of--ok, it's mostly empty, but it was full in late March and can be restocked.

Maybe I'll post a "LMKIYI" diary for locals to reply in. LMKIYI doesn't stand for "let me know if you're interested" but if that helps you remember it, well hey, more power to you.

Look for it. Then when it doesn't appear, you can use your high school Ebonics and ask "Where It?"

Nico

by Nico on May 26, 2005 11:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not that bad!
i really don't feel overly depressed, because, well i've gotten used to it.  a couple of weeks ago it was bad though.  I think this team, like many others, can rebound.  Here here to a solid 2/3 left! alteast a post all star!

by jacobo2u on May 26, 2005 11:01 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

speaking of all-stars
By tradition, there's usually one of each team on the All-Star roster, right?  Is anyone eligible this year from our team?  Yabu?  :)

by Apricot on May 26, 2005 11:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is ugly
This team is starting to remind me of those mid-'90's teams, starring Brent Gates, Mike Bordick, Lance Blankenship, et al.  Thing is, I have a lot of fond memories of those teams--I went to more A's games in 1995 than in any other year.  It can be kind of fun to sit in the sun and chuckle over an ugly loss.  

I remember in particular one game against the Orioles, half the fans were there more to cheer Cal Ripken (on his way to setting the all-time consecutive-games-played record) than to cheer the A's.  Some fans sitting behind my friends & I held a sign that said "Cal-riffic!"  Later, the A's were squandering a lead and brought in middle-reliever John Briscoe with the bases loaded to stop the bleeding.  We noticed on the diamond-vision that Briscoe had just awful numbers, and sure enough, he served up a grand slam to the first batter he faced, and then a solo homer to the next batter.  "Briscoe-riffic!" we started shouting, laughing our asses off.

To his credit, I think Briscoe settled down after that.

by rubin sierra on May 26, 2005 11:06 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think why I'm so frustrated...
...is the fact that this team SHOULD NOT be this bad. They need something to shake things up.
I thought I saw an A's offense. I did! I did!

by baseballgirl on May 26, 2005 11:08 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly...
I was thinking the A's would be, at worst, hovering around .500 for the season. That can still happen, but I think the "at best" part -- in contention through September -- has gone bye-bye.
Eric Chavez: The last former Huntsville Star with the A's...

by FormerHuntsvilleStar on May 27, 2005 1:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not the lowest and not even close
The mid-80s teams, pre-LaRussa, were dull and unwatchable.  The mid-90s teams were filled with a bunch of mediocre players - and McGwire, of course.

There are two games that stand out in my memory.  I attended the last pre-strike game of the 1994 season, a weird and depressing ending to a rotten year during a long drought.  And then there was the 1998 doubleheader against the Yankees.  They killed us in the first game.  Kenny Rogers baffled them in the nightcap, and we had a huge lead.  But Rogers exited, and our incompetent bullpen let it all slip away - culminating in Darryl Strawberry's you-could-see-it-coming-a-mile-away grand slam.  That game had an odd grandeur, because that Yankee team was truly extraordinary.  But the sight of the Yankee fans turning the game into a true home game, not the mixed affairs we see now, was just hideous.

This is nothing.  This is a team that had a really good run and failed to win any big prizes.  And now it's over.  But there is talent on this team, even if it's difficult to see it clearly at the moment.  And Billy Beane was right to trade Hudson and Mulder; the team had gone as far as it could given the budgetary constraints.  (I'm less sure about whether we got the right guys in return, but Nico is correct to point out that the keys to those trades are Meyer - injured - and Barton - a teenager.)  

The bigger question is how long it will take Beane to rebuild the team so it's competitive.  I don't know, and it may take longer than we hope, but his track record speaks for itself.

It's difficult to adjust to a season without scoreboard-watching and a steady diet of losses.  We've grown spoiled, and expected Beane to give us a contender against all odds.  It hasn't happened, and everything has gone much worse than expected.  It's no fun, but as mentioned above, it's been a lot worse.

by bear88 on May 27, 2005 12:31 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AN day
when is it? I need to commiserate.
GO OAKLAND!!!

by LoveThemAs on May 27, 2005 12:34 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lowest ive felt
I would have to say the lowest i have felt is when the a's lost to the Red sox... when derek lowe turned into cy young, when the Red sox came back in the first round of the playoffs... stupid Terrence long couldnt even swing the bat... I remember ramon hernandez completing a perfect squeeze play to win the game with bases loaded.. Awesome.. but then it all went downhill from there, Tejada arguing there was interence and walking home to get tagged out... very depressing.  I dont think now is the lowest i have ever felt because the A's expectations weren't high to begin with.

by Xratedaldridge04 on May 27, 2005 1:29 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1988 Game 1
  Hi everyone.  I am making my first ever post on AN and let me just first say how great it is to have a place to go that is filled with devoted A's fans! I live in PA, so A's fans are very very rare.  This has been a very rough season.  What frustrates me the most is there seems to be no sense of change. No sense of at least trying to improve this team.  For as bad as they have been playing they are only 9.5 games out.  That can be overcome.  I just wish Beane would come out and either say we're rebuilding, or we're going to try to compete this year.  
  My lowest point had to be Game 1 of the 88 World Series. My father and brother are both Dodger fans so that certainly didn't help.  I know it was just one game, but it is a game that is now such a part of baseball history.
  I would say those mid 90's years were far worse than what we're going through now.  I still think this team can be good this year.

by Unuscione on May 27, 2005 2:54 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

'88 GAME 1 was the worst moment for me too
but this year, with all the A's naysayers asking me what the hell is BB doing dealing huddy and mulder, and the off-season fiasco involving Giambi, McGwire, and Canseco, then falling 12 games under .500, and having to watch Beyond the Glory show Game 1 1988 every other weekend this year just freakin' sucks.  

I'll tell you how bad it is...

Today I missed an ENTIRE GAME.  I don't think I missed an entire game in 3-4 years.  I'd even sneak a glace at a game during dinner at a restaurant, tune in to 610 AM on breaks when im at school, skip going out just to stay home and watch games on Friday nights, postpone projects and papers only to do them in the wee hours of the early morning, catch the Yahoo! feed or the AN play by play (thank you by the way) on the internet when im in the library, or just simply being at the ballgame.  Today I didn't even give the A's much thought, except for when i put on my filthy hat to go to work.  I needed a break, I'm tired.  I don't think it would be this bad had we taken 2 of 3 from the Giants because I work at an elementary school where the majority of the teachers and students LOVE their GNATS.  Zito takes on CLE next and they are struggling with their bats as well, I hope the pendulum starts to swing towards the EastBay.  

LET'S FUCKING GO, OAKLAND!!!!! GOD DAMN IT!  

"What's the ugliest part of your body...some say your nose, some say your toes, but i think it's your MIND." - Mothers of Invention

by redclay22 on May 27, 2005 4:07 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not even close to the worst
As so many others have mentioned, the '79 club was just awful, and even though we had a good year in '81 under Billy Ball that was a terrible lineup.  I saw the first game ever played in Oakland, I have seen and experienced great years and  bad years, but in truth this club at least has hope.  We just have to dump some serious underachievers and bring on some new players, the nucleous is there, and motivation next year won't be a problem, look at the bright side, a lot of guys will be gone and a lot of new hungry players will be brought in.  I'm sure we will get a new manager and that is a good thing.  We do have some chips to trade, and we will be the sellers not the buyers so BB doesn't have to bargain from a position of weakness.   Let the other clubs worry that we might sell to someone else and help them, thus jacking up the price.
Only problem is would any team really want Byrnes or Durazo?

by china bob on May 27, 2005 3:14 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Through thick and thin
I've been an avid A's fan since they we in Kansas City, with Jim Nash, Catfish Hunter, George Lazerique, etc. As the old adage goes, sometimes you have to go one step backward before going two step forward. Enjoy the season for what it is. It's a rebuilding year, pure and simple. Sure, if everything went right, they might be contenders. But with such a small margin for error, it would've been tough. Stick with them. It might take some time but eventually they'll be contenders again.

by Sam Dracula on May 27, 2005 6:36 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is nothing
I used to cry myslef to sleep at night clutching a "future star" Steve Karsay pin to my chest dreaming of the future. There is a future, an immediate future.  We are going to be better this year, and very good next year.  I just reaffirmed my A's commitment by betting the obnoxious paralegal down the hall ( a Mets fan) that the A's would finsih over .500.  If I win, he buys me a Syracuse tie -his alma mater, if the A's decide to wait till next year to kick tail, I have to buy him a Cal tie- my alma matar.

Baseball is entertainment, and I guarentee noone feels worse than the guys themselves.  I still take the little joys and enjoy the season.  This is the beggining, not the end.

I believe you Barry.

by mikedaviswhereareyou on May 27, 2005 7:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know what to do!
Take a little trip! I'm taking a vacation! Ok, I'm taking a vacation away from the A's. For a week or so. Then I'll be back. (Yeah right. I can't not look to see how they're doing.)

Not to sound like Barry or anything, but the yin and the yang just aren't in check. Once offense clicks with our pitching, we'll be fantastic. I just hope that it happens this year... I'm pretty confident it will. And if not, did anyone see SFweekly's best of 2005 list? It came out a few weeks ago:

Best Bay Area sports Team: The 2006 Oakland Athletics.

by rocksolidrichharden on May 27, 2005 7:52 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah but...
...if I took a week's vacation from the A's (even if it included looking at finals to see how they did), and they WON all or most of the games I didn't see or hear...  I'd be afraid to jinx them by starting to watch again.  :P

by Poppy on May 27, 2005 8:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I too have decided
I need to take a break from the A's, go on strike as it were, get some perspective, spend some time away, clear my head and heal my psyche.

So I've decided to completely ignore the A's until 4:00pm today. Sigh. The curse of being a fan.

Nico

by Nico on May 27, 2005 8:05 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't see or hear yesterday's game
I "watched" on Gameday, since I didn't have access to a radio yesterday afternoon... and I really enjoyed "seeing" Huston Street's 11-pitch, 10-strike inning.  Made my day!

I actually don't feel all that low, because I didn't have really high expectations for this season to begin with.  HOPES, yes, but not expectations.  I still have HOPE for an insane 2nd-half charge that includes several strings of, say, 12-game winning streaks separated by one loss (you know, to keep it "realistic")... but I'm not really expecting that, either.

And the longer-time fans who have posted about the really hopeless seasons during the last few decades have added some perspective to this current pain...

by Poppy on May 27, 2005 8:39 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

low
but i'm still hopeful.  while contention is ruled out, there will be some exciting baseball from this team soon.  the future's so bright, i have to wear kotsay's stylin sunglasses from last year.
i heard it on the new 610 AM, hell is full of red sox fans.

by JMC on May 27, 2005 8:55 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I will never cease to be an A's fan
But watching them this year makes me feel as limp and useless as Kendall's arm. I dunno if i'll ever feel as bad as i did after the Byrnes/Tejada game though...........ugh.

by AlwaysSweatin on May 27, 2005 9:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

End of fandom
It happened to me once, with the Phillies. They broke my heart in '93 and then stopped trying, becoming impossible to watch.

Then the whole sport went on strike, and I stopped caring. For about 5 years. It was actually kind of nice -- I missed a lot of Yankee highlights.

McGwire and Sosa didn't get me back. It was the A's. It was the best left side of the infield I've ever seen -- and I grew up with Mike Schmidt and Larry Bowa. It was a team that made opposing pitchers throw 100 pitches in 4 innings and watch 2 or 3 balls go over the fence. It was young pitchers that threw 100 pitches in 8 innings and won, and won, and won.

And so long as the A's keep trying, I'll keep going. But fandom is not eternal, and if an organization stops trying, you're a masochist to keep going. Kansas City fan, I'm talking to you...

"Yucky Head Bad Guy!" - my 5-year-old daughter to Manny Ramirez. She got ice cream immediately afterward.

by DMtShooter on May 27, 2005 1:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Losing stinks, but...
...being up 2-0 on the Yankees in the 2001 ALDS and coming home for game three with over 56,000 in attendance, watching Jeremy Giambi not slide, watching Jermaine Dye break his leg, watching the A's go back to New York for game five, lead that game, then blow it with errors and mental mistakes, and lose was the lowest point for me in my history with the A's. I burned my hat! I still have nightmares.

2nd place would be seeing my brother cry after the A's lost to the Red Sox in '75.

The 2005 season: What won't kill me will only make me stronger.

by Coach Cleats on May 27, 2005 10:11 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cleats, I agree ... during these recent winning
... seasons, 2001 ALDS was the 'worst'.

winning two in New York should've set us up.

I also think that 2001 club was the best of the A's teams from '99-'04.

the 2001 team had the best chance to win it all !!

by HerbWashington on May 27, 2005 10:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know we're comparing root canals to
cholera here, but even though 01 (yanks) and 02 (twins) really hurt, I think 03 (bosox) was the worst.

At least with 01, the Yanks were an excellent team that just out played us. I was there for the no-slide game, and it would have been a close play even if he'd slid and it would have only been a tie anyway. In 02, we just couldn't play in the Dome. Though I think we had the best chance in 02.

With 03, first, I really disliked the enemy team personally (I'm glad they had that hideous meltdown in Gm7 later v Yanks). Second, we lost that series on bad mental mistakes from our leaders. (I'm including Huddy's bar fight here.)  

This year, I just want to see the young guys do well. There's more resignation than pain on my part.

by Apricot on May 27, 2005 11:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Red Sox series was bad...
...but at that point when T-Long struck out, I just laughed. I mean, with the Brynes and Tejada blunders, Hudson's bar fight and injury (he would have missed the next round, and I don't mean drinks!), Foulke refusing to throw a change-up to Ortiz, Mulder was already out, the A's probably would have lost to the Yankees anyway. But after three straight game #5 losses, watching the A's implode once again was almost expected.
The 2005 season: What won't kill me will only make me stronger.

by Coach Cleats on May 27, 2005 11:26 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What did Tokyoak say on AN that was so offensive?
Admittedly, his new website is offensive, but I don't recall that his comments on AN have been worthy of eternal banishment.

by Checkswing HR on May 27, 2005 11:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zen
I know it's peculiar, but I have really come to a zen-like state regarding this season. My mood swings have been much more modified. The inordinate pessimism is gone, as is the prayerful hope that each win breaking each losing streak is "the big turn around."

The thing is, not matter whether they win or lose, I still get excited to head out to the Coliseum, still love to prop up my chair near the ol' hoopdy, smiling at all the A's fans, enjoying this "summer" weather and all the games that I look forward to all winter. Cuz I love the A's, but I love baseball even more.

So I am clinging more closely to that feeling of pleased relaxation, and am ready to cheer the A's on, regardless of how they are playing, because I know that in the life of a team, just like in my life, there are crappy times and good times, and they always follow each other. So if you don't like the situation now, just wait awhile.

In the meantime, you gotta enjoy what you can of the ride.

by tankerraid on May 27, 2005 11:51 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can Macha shake up the lineup more
Or can they finally put Ruby on the DL and send up DJ? I feel like Macha just lets things go on without trying to change things. He's way too lessais faire for my liking. There has to be something bigger going on that we don't know about, which is really driving me nuts. Maybe we'll start a 20 game winning streak in Cleveland. Ever the optimist! Mitch.

by A'sfansince1970 on May 27, 2005 12:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Loyal A's Fan
This is probably the lowest for me not counting the game 5 letdowns in the playoffs. I started going to games in 98 just b/c I refused to support anything SF and not to mention, some A's fans/coworkers invited me. So that became somewhat of a ritual whether they were winning or not. I wish I had those guys to lean on now. It would make things a lot easier, but AN has been a savior for me during times like this and during the offseason. Thanks again Blez.

The following yr in `99, I remembered the A's found themselves in contention for a wildcard w/ I think Bos and Toronto? I was hooked after that, couldn't wait for next season. The timing couldn't have been better since I was slowly detaching myself from the Raiders. I liken it to ending my relationship w/ the BigMac at McDonalds. Took a bite one day and couldn't eat anymore. It soured my appetite. I still follow them through the paper, but no longer a true, die-hard fan like I use to be. I'm very glad that I discovered the A's. They fittingly filled the void left by the silver & black. I went into the yr w/ so much optimism for these new guys and our young lads that I think I ignored the possibility of something like this happening. The losses has been very diff to deal w/ esp the way we're losing and to whom we're losing to.

I guess I'm still hoping for a miracle b/c I think it's not too late for them to turn it around, albeit after the TB series, that hope is slowly fading. As an A's fan at this point, I'm no longer thinking playoffs. I'm just looking to get everyone healthy and seeing them progress together as one cohesive unit. I still believe we have a talented bunch and all I'm looking for right now is for them to be competitive, gain more experience, and build it up for next yr and the yrs to come.

The thing I hate most about San Francisco besides the Giants is their f'd up politics.

by sf drift king on May 27, 2005 1:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I want to vote twice!
Vote #1 - No this is not the worst I felt - that was when Catfish left and the Championship teams of 72-73-74 began to be demolished. I was young and that broke my fan's heart. It was a bitter realization that baseball is a business ( and I hate being reminded of that). Many years of being a fan have given me a somewhat bigger picture view.
We have had some very special teams and moments over the years..and the past few years have been a joy.
The Oakland A's have always been and will always be my team, win or lose.
Vote #2 - Keep the faith - and get to the ballpark, you never know what you will see! I want to watch these rookies grow up and flash brilliance, I want to see our young "veterans" play the way I know they can.
A very baseball savvy friend told me "they just aren't very good right now...but keep your head up - things at some point will improve."
I know they will and I will be there to celebrate along with the team, with Blez and the AN faithful.

by LongTimeFan on May 27, 2005 1:29 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about...
Losing to the Twits the way we did?

When Ass-Jack Pyrzinski hit that home run to make it 5-1, and then Ellis made it 5-4 yet we still lost. I'm positive we would have stopped the Angels too.

by Pucking Insane on May 27, 2005 3:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That sucked...
but I didn't get the feeling, the way that I did after the Red Sox, that the party was over and that the window of opportunity had slammed shut.

When they went down to the Red Sox, some part of me said, "That's it, this team as constituted just isn't going to win." Even when the 2004 team was up in September, I never really believed in it. The Sox game bummed me out for, well, weeks.

"Yucky Head Bad Guy!" - my 5-year-old daughter to Manny Ramirez. She got ice cream immediately afterward.

by DMtShooter on May 27, 2005 3:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When is this AN day that Blez is talking about?
"My motto is I'm fat, but you're ugly, and I can diet." - David Wells

by JLaff on May 27, 2005 8:28 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lowest Point- the mid to late 90's
Easily the choice for me.  Having repeated years of just horrible teams and barely any hope was the toughest time.  Mediocre prospects like Troy Neel and some that had great promise like Steve Karsay get hurt and never be the same, not to mention the false hopes of Van Poppel...those were easily the worst.  I think every pitching prospect we had through that era was a bust.  John Wasdin, etc.  At least we had McGwire through most of it, for those of us that actually like him.

The last handful of years with playoff busts was dissapointing, but having a very good team to get to that point was something to hang your hat on at least.  Knowing we have a bright (immediate?)future with the talent on this team makes this feel not as bad as 10 years ago or so.

Whatever Jose Canseco says must be true

by WiscoFan on May 29, 2005 1:13 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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