How Low Can We Go?
As I expressed yesterday, someone just keeps lowering that limbo pole and somehow the A's keep contorting themselves under it. The team was swept by the Devil Rays and the offense was miserable again today. Wouldn't you know the minute Haren turns his fortunes around, the offense would shrivel up again?
I'm feeling dejected and my morale feels pretty low right now since I was so excited about this season (mostly because I knew every team in the West had significant flaws - I don't think anyone thought Kenny Rogers would turn into Sandy Koufax). I thought it would be exciting to see the younger guys compete, the solid pen, the top of the order hit and Zito regain his form. And like I said yesterday, everything needed to break right for the team to compete this year. It hasn't because of the injuries, the dogpaddling middle of the order and inconsistent starting pitching. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to take the A's flag off my car or stop wearing A's gear every day. Even if the johnny-come-lately Red Sox or Yankee fans taunt me for it. I know our day will come. And soon.
Still, it's a painful time to be a green and gold supporter. I have one simple question, and the answer is probably yes now since we're in the moment, but is this the lowest you've felt as an A's fan? Is there another time when it felt worse in recent years? I can't remember. Maybe the Boston series with Tejada and Byrnes? I realize that this team was built for the future, but no one really thought it would be as bad as it is right now before the season began.
By the way, if ever I was looking forward to meeting people at AN Day, this year is it. I need some commiserating company. Oh, and in the next week I'll be bringing you an inside look at our future. That might just become the general thrust of AN for the time being. Stay tuned.
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tough times
Maybe everyone else was right - this is a rebuilding year. Let's call a spade a spade.
However I'd been giving this a lot of thought the past couple of days and I decided that I would remain positive and upbeat.
I still have faith that the A's are a good team. I still believe that Billy Beane knows best. I'm trying not to take out my bitterness on guys like Kendall and Charles Thomas.
After all, I'm also learning that a true fan sticks with their team even during the losing years. I love the A's. I'm not going to give up on them now.
by BillybUcko on
May 26, 2005 5:39 PM PDT
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That's beautiful
The Devil Rays have quite a few good hitters, but still...that pitching should get hammered.
by Blez on
May 26, 2005 5:48 PM PDT
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my story is similar to yours
The A's can keep losing...but I'll always look forward to the next game.
by Sharon on
May 26, 2005 5:54 PM PDT
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I know it's tough...
They'll get there but it may be an ugly trip for awhile.
by wingwiper on
May 26, 2005 6:07 PM PDT
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morale boost
I think it is also a matter of expectations. Just like Blez, I really thought we would be really good this year. I thought the pitching might be a little rough given all the new guys, but I thought we had a solid pen that would carry us along. Probably the biggest surprise has been our anemic offense. I could have never guessed it would this bad. I don't think we can call ourlselves the "swinging A's" anymore. I also thought we were so much smarter--read moneyball--than other organizations. And perhaps that was true at one time. But perhaps Beane and co. really don't have much of a leg up anymore on market inefficiencies.
All in all, this has been a really low point. I have to say, not long ago someone wrote the "maybe there just not that good" post and it has really helped me. I have lowered my expectations of the A's and now I simply enjoy watching them play. They are underdogs and I like that. It is easy to be a Yankees fan. It is not always easy to be an A's fan as Blez points out. But I wouldn't trade places for anything. I like what we have, even if it is not working well right now.
by island of misfit toys on
May 26, 2005 5:48 PM PDT
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Glad I could help!
Original Post:
http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2005/5/10/1328/89650
by ConcordFanSince1968 on
May 26, 2005 7:22 PM PDT
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it did help...alot
by island of misfit toys on
May 26, 2005 8:49 PM PDT
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Bottom Line
by Crosbino on
May 26, 2005 5:56 PM PDT
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i really relate to this sentiment.
That doesnt even count the base-running errors, or RISP/LOB.
I keep thinking that the happy-go-lucky nature of our team that was so prevalent in the Giambi/Tejada/Big Three era(s) has really left the building; Chavez is our 6 Million Dollar Man, and I think he's probably carrying a lot of weight on his shoulders, more than he knows how to handle.
The way I see it, this team was 'auditioning' for a starting lineup in April, by May injuries decimated us (leaving Beane to wonder, 'whats the best course of action?'), and the Team Chemistry that was IMHO the secret of our success is floundering. Who's starting tomorrow? Who's getting traded? Who's getting sent down?
I'm keeping the faith, i'm just thinking that the team isnt all THAT different from last year, why are we leading the league in errors?? This was a good defensive team last year!
I guess we really are missing Mulder and Hudson, for all the ground-balls they induced.
by popcornjames on
May 26, 2005 6:05 PM PDT
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This is a rebuilding year, blez,
And what has happened was inevitable as, sans a salary cap, low revenue teams like the A's will have to deal good players they've developed like Hudson, Mulder, Miguel and Jason. Hopefully, most of the youngsters acquired or drafted in their stead will lead to another interesting playoff team for several seasons to come. Just be patient.
Again, baseball is just another form of entertainment. And I respectfully suggest that if it is too painful for some of you to watch this evolutionary process the A's are undergoing, do yourself a favor and find a more pleasant way to fill your recreational hours.
Observing the gradual progress of talented young players should be a reward in itself. Those who feel a need to constantly bitch and moan should get a life. Or perhaps find a dominatrix. ;)
by reztips on
May 26, 2005 6:00 PM PDT
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getting used to it
Oh, and every once in a while the team will shock us by actually winning a game, and then I can really be happy for a bit.
by matthias on
May 26, 2005 6:15 PM PDT
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A couple thoughts...
What's hard for me about this, compared to the playoff heartbreaks and debacles, is that in the playoff years there had been the excitement of a pennant race. My biggest fear in a baseball season is the boredom/lack of adrenaline that comes with an early exit from contention. Yes, there is an excitement about watching young talent develop, but it's not quite comparable to the excitement of a race. We've had that excitement every year from 1999 on and this is the first year in 7 where we're faced with the very real possibility that there will be no heartbreaks to fear.
So yes, for me, it's a 7-year low, tempered by the fact that the years ahead look brighter than they would for most teams sitting with the A's current W/L record.
by Nico on
May 26, 2005 6:16 PM PDT
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I'm anticipating
by Brian in 317 on
May 26, 2005 9:15 PM PDT
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fyi
Go A's!
by BillybUcko on
May 27, 2005 8:24 AM PDT
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Us too
by kkdaz on
May 27, 2005 9:49 AM PDT
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no school, no excuses.
by sf drift king on
May 27, 2005 12:53 PM PDT
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not the worst ...
this team is definitely underachieving and i've oscillate between hope and despair with every win and loss, and it's pretty sad, but the bad season doesn't nearly have as much emotional impact as the history of heartbreak a's fans have lived through. as optimistic as i am, i still didn't think we'd break any wins records this year. the reality is this season we need to see what we got. and don't forget, it ain't over yet.
thanks blez for keeping the site and the spirits up!
let's go oak-land!
by mookyee on
May 26, 2005 6:21 PM PDT
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BB's Deals
Certainly, BB should wait for the most part until the trading deadline to garner greatest value. He most assuredly will have to do that with Dotel and Durazo because they are currently hurt. And if Johnson doesn't hit, he will have no reason to part with Hatte. But Bumblin Byrnesy should be dispatched elsewhere post haste as his lame-brained play is not a good influence on the younger players...
Witness the game today: ByrnesBrain, in the words of Ray Fosse, could have caught the triple that led to the Ray's two runs if he had taken the right route to the ball. How often have the A's experienced similar misplays by ByrnesBum. And those saying he should play more regularly should note that he has started 4 of the last 5 games and garnered but two basehits. And he's supposed to hit southpaws so well--the Gnats pitched three lefties in a row vs the A's and Kazmir yesterday is a southpaw who started for the A's.
So you can see Byrnesbrain is next to useless. Hopefully, other teams might misread his abilities the way so many do on AN...
by reztips on
May 26, 2005 6:25 PM PDT
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Byrnes Basher
by Just Me on
May 27, 2005 8:25 AM PDT
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Whoops
I think Haren will utimately eclipse Huddy as a money pitcher for the A's. He surely has the stuff and lacks only the experience...
by reztips on
May 26, 2005 6:27 PM PDT
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Worse years-plenty of them
I didn't think we'd be a contender this year but I didn't expect a total collapse either. But hang in there Blez- like every disfunctional team of the past- the A's always seem to pull it together eventually.
Go A's!
by greenmachine on
May 26, 2005 6:31 PM PDT
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I was there in '86
Best baseball fight I've ever seen.
by Vacafan on
May 26, 2005 9:03 PM PDT
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Actually, in 86 I enjoyed...
by MemphisA on
May 27, 2005 7:37 AM PDT
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Eric Byrnes tries to pop-up like Kingman
'Kong' Kingman's pop-ups were majestic, manly, MAJOR-LEAGUE POP-UPs ... the kind you could start a campfire under and roast marshmellows under before catching them !!
by HerbWashington on
May 27, 2005 7:56 AM PDT
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c'mon 1979 .... 54-108 that's low
even I don't think the A's will finish 54-108 this season. though the D-backs lost 111 last season and Tigers lost 119 the season before that.
I guess 54-108 is possible this season. I'm a 'realist/cynic' but I don't think they'll drop 108 this season
1994 -- not only a strike year -- but the A's bottomed out at 17-43 -- Hell, even I don't think the A's will lose their next 14 games to reach that mark of futility.
1986 -- 30-52 at the All-star break. that was bad, but then TLR became manager, Canseco won ROY and the A's actually finished 76-86 (I think)
beyond the nine World Series championships (4 in Oakland) won by the Athletics franchise ... also know that NO American League franchise has LOST as many games as the Athletics, not the Indians, not the Senators/Twins or Browns/Orioles ... the Athletics own that record of distinction.
1977 is similar to 2005 because there was significant roster disruption in 1977 and 1977 ended NINE seasons of winning for the Oakland A's.
In each of the first nine seasons in Oakland that A's had winning records, so 1977 and its (63-98 record) was a bucket of ice water dumped on top of the head !!
this year's sensation is similar !!
by HerbWashington on
May 26, 2005 6:44 PM PDT
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Not even close to the worst
The really sad thing about those teams was that they were playing to their true level of ability so there wasn't any hope things would get better. We had to wait for the next generation of prospects to work their way through the system each time. The current squad has several players who are playing way below expectations so we can look at them without our green and gold glasses and feel confident they're going to do better. Still, there are a few moves that need to be made.
They could start by exiling the singles-hitting first baseman/cleanup hitter to the bench or the NL so Dan Johnson can be called up. I'd be thrilled if Larry Dierker could be hired to manage the team. I don't have anything against Ken Macha but this team looks very comfortable sleepwalking through the season, playing very sloppy baseball. Maybe seeing a head or two roll will get them going. It's not as if Ken Macha is a brilliant motivator or tactician. Larry Dierker is known for something I think the A's deperately need -- his pitching staffs allow very few walks.
I know is easy to call for the managers head when things are going badly but in this case, I think it's justified. Something like the Menechino/Tam/Jeremy purge of a few seasons ago is needed to send a message to this team.
by Charlie O on
May 26, 2005 6:51 PM PDT
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Yeah
I remember having one of my birthdays at the coliseum back then, and the attendance was Tampa Bay-like. Scary to think about it.
by Kevin2 on
May 26, 2005 9:51 PM PDT
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I wanna be you!
Someday, Charlie O, I wanna be the one posting in 30 years that the rebuilding year of 2005 was my low point and that it never got this bad again.
I believe Billy Beane really is setting us up to be winners for the next several years.
Thank you!
by BillybUcko on
May 27, 2005 8:28 AM PDT
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No Comparison
And it's probably only gonna get worse this season, so get used to it.
So enough with the whining and wimpering. Buck up, rub some dirt in it, and get out to the Coliseum an root for the A's.
by Mission1929 on
May 26, 2005 6:51 PM PDT
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No way...
2003 ALDS Games 3,4,5.
2001 ALDS Game 3.
All MUCH lower. This was at least a bit expected
by OaktownPower on
May 26, 2005 6:53 PM PDT
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2001 game 3
2nd lowest was also games 3,4,5 in 2003 we should have had the championship then too
my absolute lowest point though is a game in 2000, shortly after i became a fan. i was only 20 and could not understand that when the bosox came to town why they had more fans cheering for them at the coliseum then there were a's fan. it was at that point i realized what i was getting myself into. it was almost like i was becoming friends with the stinky kid in high school.
by peoples27 on
May 26, 2005 8:08 PM PDT
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I find....
First, look at your personnel and I'll bet BB has been doing that since spring training. Almost all of you have recommended changes. So have I. The only person that will make those changes is BB. Don't you think it will be fascinating to see what he does, particularly if you read Moneyball? I'm focusing on that - forget the wins and losses. What moves will be made (because they surely will) that can make 'business better'.
Second, look at what has gone wrong so far. The closer lost those 2 in Boston with walk off home runs. Unbelievable, sure, but was he hurt then? If so, why did he pitch at all? Dotel has said recently that he won't be back. If you have an employee that is sounding off like that, do you give him more responsibility? I don't. Look, too, at the fundamentals discussed at length here. Do some of our employees need re-training?
How and when do we do that? As a fan, is there any sign of it being underway? It's sure not too late in the season to stress basics!
Third, since the long ball seems to have evaporated (as early as the end of last season), can we install a strategy of small ball? Will BB encourage this when we can see in Moneyball that he didn't like it? That will be interesting to watch.
There's more, but Moneyball, to me, was as much about business as it was about baseball and businessmen change tactics all the time - they must if they are to survive.
That's how I'm watching this team now. I see no playoffs in our future this year, but I sure can see some interesting problems that need attention in this 'business of Oakland A's baseball'.
No panic - just reality.
by doubleplayer on
May 26, 2005 6:58 PM PDT
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Future???
by Murph21 on
May 26, 2005 7:02 PM PDT
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'chavez is teahan' why harsh on Teahan like that
by HerbWashington on
May 26, 2005 7:06 PM PDT
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Chavez is Teahan?
by OaktownPower on
May 26, 2005 7:46 PM PDT
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Exactly ...Teahan can play!!!!
by Vacafan on
May 26, 2005 9:06 PM PDT
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My subject line is a cute kitty
I'm amazed at how down some people are on Chavez, I know it's probably not how you really feel but some of the things being said are a little crazy. Last year I'm sure you were all loving him for his defense and bat, now all of a sudden he's a big mistake? The guy was close to becoming one of the elite players in the game, two months, however bad, shouldn't change that. Same with Kendall, catchers wear down as they get older but even aging can't come close to explaining his struggles so far. They WILL hit much better as the year goes on.
I thought the trades Beane made in the offseason were both good and necessary and my opinion isn't going to change just because things are looking bad at the moment. Personally, I still think the A's can contend for the division, the Angels and Rangers both have flaws that I believe will become more apparent as the season goes on. If the A's don't win at least, say, 83 games I'll be surprised, and I really do believe that.
Of course this is much easier to say all this as an outsider that only roots for the A's as a secondary interest. I know it sounds ridiculous to say that you should be optimistic at this point and I know it's impossible to not feel down about all this but I bet you'll all be feeling a whole lot better by August. There's too much talent on this team for it to falter all season long; they may have just been swept by the Rays but they're a lot better than the Rays and that will come out as the season goes on.
by Jim Wisinski on
May 26, 2005 7:20 PM PDT
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Hey, question....
by GreenNGoldGirl on
May 26, 2005 8:44 PM PDT
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It's easy
by Crosbino on
May 26, 2005 7:26 PM PDT
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Good points, Crosbino.
- all those who thought Barton would be 19 this year, raise your hand;
- all those who thought 2006 would be next year, raise your hand.
by Nico on
May 26, 2005 7:34 PM PDT
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And ...
by Crosbino on
May 26, 2005 8:01 PM PDT
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7-1 mulder 3.72era
by oakwin2004 on
May 26, 2005 9:51 PM PDT
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he'd be 3-6 on this team...
by baseballgirl on
May 26, 2005 9:56 PM PDT
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Which means...
by MemphisA on
May 27, 2005 7:40 AM PDT
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true that Memphis.
by oakwin2004 on
May 27, 2005 8:20 AM PDT
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Naw
by OaktownTribesman on
May 26, 2005 7:31 PM PDT
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A suggestion, OaktownTribesman:
by Nico on
May 26, 2005 7:36 PM PDT
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My feelings exactly
by jasonh on
May 26, 2005 8:40 PM PDT
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I was there
by JLaff on
May 27, 2005 12:13 AM PDT
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ugh... Manny
okay... yes... let's stop thinking about that series...
by Poppy on
May 27, 2005 8:22 AM PDT
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Trashcan
Needless to say, Zito tried to fool Manny with a fastball over the middle of the plate.
Well, at least we don't have to worry about our boys puking away another "clinch" game in the playoffs, right???
by Colorado Fan on
May 27, 2005 10:54 AM PDT
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Watching Long watch strike 3...
and watching 15K Red Sox fans cheer, like watching someone cheer at a funeral...
was the lowest moment I've had at a stadium.
Getting swept by the DRays is just comedy in comparison.
by DMtShooter on
May 27, 2005 12:52 PM PDT
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I agree...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on
May 27, 2005 1:14 PM PDT
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So Blez, is this the optimist or pessimist thread?
With the exception of major news, I wonder if we ought to put AN into dry dock for a month to give everyone a chance to clear our heads? It would also enable us to see who comes back after 30 days and is a real fan.
Right now this daily Chinese Water Torture isn't very healthy.
by Rob on
May 26, 2005 7:36 PM PDT
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You don't need Blez
Give it up, Rob: Unly Diary Police dictates everysing about AN! Chinese Water Torture? Iss for sissies, maybe. Try Yerman authoritarian torture!!!
by Nico on
May 26, 2005 7:50 PM PDT
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All I have is my passion as a fan
I wonder, why be a fan if you think your team sucks and will suck for years? The optimist and pessimist thread was more tongue-in-cheek than anything.
by Blez on
May 26, 2005 8:43 PM PDT
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Definitely not the lowest
This is nothing like that. Yes, the team is losing, but there are a lot of things to be excited about. Watching young players like Huston Street, Rich Harden, and Danny Haren, and Crosby when he gets back, you can really see where this team is going. You want something else to make you happy--pay attention to the A's minor league teams, its fun to get excited about the prospects that are playing well. No team will win every year, but it can be fun in a way to watch a time with a lot of promise for the future.
And hey, if you want something to hang your hat on---in 2003 about this time the Marlins were 19-29 and ended up winning the series.
by Alien on
May 26, 2005 7:59 PM PDT
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Thanks
by BillybUcko on
May 27, 2005 8:33 AM PDT
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Problem is...
I am excited for the future...but, the future scares me as well. There are no "sure-fire" prospects in our system. It's kind of a scary thing. What if no one pans out?
by Colorado Fan on
May 27, 2005 10:58 AM PDT
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Not that he'll "save" the team
Just like in real life, why fear the future? Maybe things will work out, maybe they won't. Maybe our rookies will thrive, maybe they'll nosedive. But we'll be watching, hotdog in hand.
by BillybUcko on
May 27, 2005 12:05 PM PDT
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Yep
Go A's!
by Colorado Fan on
May 27, 2005 12:13 PM PDT
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Or maybe Crosby will save the team!!!
by BillybUcko on
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I agree
This season has been interesting and fun to watch with all of the young guns like Harden, Haren, Blanton, and Street. Not to "jinx" them, but if they fall off the face of the earth, it'll be satifying to see them knock some potential playoffs team out of contention. BUT it's always more exciting to root for a playoff-bound team.
by Fongpay on
May 26, 2005 8:26 PM PDT
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It's Been Worse
For me, the disappointment is less now because I expect much less.
Everyone knows the playoffs are a crap shoot -- and even though the Red Sox were better on paper, losing that match was a real blow to faith.
Being in the Coliseum that night was my Reality Check to what the As are capable of. The memory is still painful.
by Dan_Honolulu on
May 26, 2005 8:31 PM PDT
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Its not always about winning ...
by SanTropez on
May 26, 2005 8:39 PM PDT
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It could be worse...
Summer is almost here, we have lots of opportunity to go to the Coliseum, sit in the sun, drink beer, eat peanuts, enjoy the company of good friends and root for our beloved Athletics. Yes, it would be nice if they could win, but I've been an A's fan way too long to get too down about all this. As Blez says, "our day will come" and when it does -- it will be sweet!
by noonan on
May 26, 2005 8:41 PM PDT
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Time to fix it
by billyball1981 on
May 26, 2005 8:45 PM PDT
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Welcome aboard.
Thank you, and enjoy your time here at Athletics Nation.
by GreenNGoldGirl on
May 26, 2005 8:50 PM PDT
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Welcome Aboard
by Dan_Honolulu on
May 26, 2005 10:30 PM PDT
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Fire Macha--Just to make a statement
by rubin sierra on
May 26, 2005 11:00 PM PDT
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Since '71? Unacceptable!
by Coach Cleats on
May 27, 2005 10:01 AM PDT
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Since 71
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May 27, 2005 3:55 PM PDT
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Are you sure you're new?
It makes you wonder how the losses have affected the team's carefree and playful approach to baseball. They use to have a very special clubhouse chemistry. Are they still dining together 20 deep and hanging out with each other like they did in the winning yrs. It must be difficult even with this young group.
We lost a lot of team character and personality over the yrs: Tejada, Giambi, Hudson, Mulder, Hernandez, Damon, Dye, Stairs, among others...
This new team just needs to find their own identity and build from there.
by sf drift king on
May 27, 2005 1:39 PM PDT
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c'mon people! suck it up here!
damn, i've been through the wasted 70's, the crappy 80's, and the barren 90's. but through all those yrs there were moments when my beloved a's kicked ass and wrote down names! now we're in a small dry spell here in the 00's and people are turning their noses up to the
kool-aid...c'mon! its cherry! drink up and take it like ya mean it!
ya, the boys are playing bad baseball right now. sure, there will be changes to this team...and SOON! but really, here is the bottom line to all you rookies: this type of experience is a HUGE part of being a fan of a small market team who will annually spend in the bottom 1/3 of the league. successes and failures will come in waves. ya better just accept it or be prepared for multiple nervous breakdowns...or better yet, go cheer for the yankees ( i'd hate to see/read someone's mental health de-compensate
:-).
go a's!
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May 26, 2005 8:56 PM PDT
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Right On Big E!
Who will be the next to step up and capture our imagination. Only time and patience will tell.
This franchise has a long history of feast or famine. If this season is too painful, go find an old Philadelphia A's fan and gain a little perspective.
by Gerard on
May 26, 2005 9:16 PM PDT
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exactly G!!!!
by bigelephant on
May 27, 2005 8:25 AM PDT
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Was bad in 79 but....
by billyball1981 on
May 27, 2005 9:23 AM PDT
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How could this be worse than...
97 losses... that was the lowest... and then three years later was pretty alright... I think of this year a lot like I did in 98 and 99.
by jeffro on
May 26, 2005 9:00 PM PDT
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Just curious:
Yes, BigElephant, it isn't "naive" to have a hopeful outlook in the face of disillusioning results, it's good mental health. Hopeful, positive people have better lives, because they live the "serenity prayer" but still get to drink!
by Nico on
May 26, 2005 9:09 PM PDT
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i'ii drink to that, what are ya drinking?
by bigelephant on
May 26, 2005 9:14 PM PDT
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low points
There's always a silver lining for sticking with the team.
by MrIncognito on
May 26, 2005 9:35 PM PDT
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I was there as well
by Patrick on
May 26, 2005 11:40 PM PDT
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That was a masterful performance
by boilerdan on
May 27, 2005 5:54 AM PDT
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Jumping in the discussion late here...
I'll be looking forward to seeing the A's grow and gel as a unit. And I'm confident that, despite our problems this year, we will be a strong team in the years to come.
On a side note, I think it's really sad that two months of struggles have many in the Athletics Nation writing off the next 5 years. That is a fatalist attitdue if I ever saw one. That's not being "realistic," that's being ridiculous. Let's rally around our boys when they need us the most. Show them we're still behind them, and drive them to be better!
by ZeroIndulgence on
May 26, 2005 9:38 PM PDT
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One big hit or many small drubbings?
This season is just a bunch of small hits, time after time again. A like dull annoying pain that just won't go away. I knew the A's weren't going to the playoffs but I never envisioned this. And offense that scores runs during blowouts but can't in close games. A team that is seemingly made out of glass (Durazo hurt from a practice toss!?!). Kendall's horrible defense (and I thought it was just "sub-par") and the defensive miscues that lead to so many "hard-luck" losses.
Trust me, all I'm asking out of these A's is just to stop sucking so bad. I'm not asking for playoffs or an ALDS series victory or a World Series ring. All I'm asking for is some exciting A's baseball. Because whatever I see on TV or hear on KGOD 610 AM or witness live at the Coliseum isn't exciting.
"Now is the winter of our discontent," but will it be made into a "glorious summer" by some good A's baseball?
by secret ASian man on
May 26, 2005 9:48 PM PDT
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20 straight wins
by Graybeard on
May 26, 2005 9:49 PM PDT
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We went to the dome
by MobiusKlein on
May 26, 2005 10:01 PM PDT
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Game 5
by Graybeard on
May 26, 2005 10:43 PM PDT
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I thought you meant end of winning streak
by MobiusKlein on
May 27, 2005 10:51 AM PDT
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I think the hardest part to me
I thought Kotsay/Kendall would be the "face" of the A's, but to watch a whole team go through the motions looking like a deer in the headlights makes me want to book Curt Young to be the motivational speaker at my funeral.
by Nico on
May 26, 2005 10:10 PM PDT
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Proudly Serving Since 1968
Most frustrating thing for me is just listening to the games or watching on TV (we get a game every two or three weeks on Fox Sports or ESPN over here). When I'm actually at the Coliseum I'm never bored, rarely as frustrated, and always enjoy the company of my fellow fans. Dang, I can't wait to get 'home' for a few weeks at the end of July.
I will be staying thru AN Day2 and, like Blez and others, am really looking forward to hoisting a few with my fellow sufferers. The phrase "drowning our sorrows" definately has ring to it these days.
The AN Embassy here in Manama has a special Secure Room for our green & gold party hats. They're safely put away for the moment, but can be brought back out in a heartbeat. Just give us an excuse to cheer!
by NomAd on
May 26, 2005 10:25 PM PDT
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90 world series
When I compare this stretch to past regular seasons past, I suppose this is the lowest moment. Remember, April 2001 was pretty bad, but then they went on a 4-month tear after May. Yet still, considering my expectations (I honestly thought this team could win 85-90 games), I suppose this right now is pretty bad. The A's have managed to break my heart time and time again in the postseason, and they pissed me off when they traded McGwire, lost Giambi, ect. On the other hand, this is really bad. They'll be back though.
by sonomanate on
May 26, 2005 10:27 PM PDT
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That's when I started watchin too in '88-age 9.
by mrlebowski79 on
May 27, 2005 1:07 AM PDT
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I was 8 years old
by secret ASian man on
May 27, 2005 2:30 AM PDT
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Children, children, children...
Actually that's one of the things I really like about being an A's fan and a member of AN - we're a very diverse group - ages, genders, backgrounds, etc. Kinda like a family - but we get to choose who's gunna be our brothers and sisters. :-)
by NomAd on
May 27, 2005 4:20 AM PDT
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I'm happy
The toughest part for me to accept of the recent disaster has been the fielding errors. I figured the pitching would be a rollercoaster and the offense would be up and down, but I thought fielding could be something reasonable. And the errors look pretty sloppy. I don't know who we have to fire or hire (maybe that motivational guy who smashes bricks) to get rid of the mental errors, but I'd vote for that.
And I'd like the team to play up to its potential. I could deal with the losing more if I didn't think it was a good team if everyone played in the neighborhood of their talent. So... I can't wait for Rich IV and Crosby to come back! And I hope Calero will sort or regain his touch. I'm not sure we'll miss Dotel if Street keeps growing up.
by Apricot on
May 26, 2005 10:34 PM PDT
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Hey, Apricot
To others, btw, for the record: I'd be happy to host an AN group for a TV game sometime (big house, good set-up for a small group) but I can never figure out who lives nearby. (Minors would be welcome as long as they had a note from their parents, or at least a note from my parents.)
Just a thought, at a time when there might be enough misery to need company!
by Nico on
May 26, 2005 10:48 PM PDT
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excellent idea
by Apricot on
May 26, 2005 11:03 PM PDT
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I'm In
by batgirl on
May 27, 2005 11:45 AM PDT
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I'm in Montclair.
Give Bill Aboomerad (sp?) a call today.
by Checkswing HR on
May 27, 2005 12:13 PM PDT
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Sounds like a great time
by devo on
May 27, 2005 12:20 PM PDT
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To those who replied
I'll post a diary within the week where people can respond specifically on this, and hopefully plans will be made to form the first meeting of NCGODO (Nico's Commisserating Group Of Depressed Optimists).
Go A's...you lovable suckfests you!
by Nico on
May 27, 2005 3:13 PM PDT
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Um, could you schedule it
by Checkswing HR on
May 27, 2005 3:45 PM PDT
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Maybe I'll try for just before June 13...
by Nico on
May 27, 2005 3:53 PM PDT
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I still think...
And it would be fun to get some ANers together to watch a game. Even if we lose, at least we can share the pain (and drink it away ;) ).
by ZeroIndulgence on
May 26, 2005 10:54 PM PDT
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Exactly, ZeroIndulgence,
Maybe I'll post a "LMKIYI" diary for locals to reply in. LMKIYI doesn't stand for "let me know if you're interested" but if that helps you remember it, well hey, more power to you.
Look for it. Then when it doesn't appear, you can use your high school Ebonics and ask "Where It?"
by Nico on
May 26, 2005 11:05 PM PDT
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not that bad!
by jacobo2u on
May 26, 2005 11:01 PM PDT
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speaking of all-stars
by Apricot on
May 26, 2005 11:05 PM PDT
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this is ugly
I remember in particular one game against the Orioles, half the fans were there more to cheer Cal Ripken (on his way to setting the all-time consecutive-games-played record) than to cheer the A's. Some fans sitting behind my friends & I held a sign that said "Cal-riffic!" Later, the A's were squandering a lead and brought in middle-reliever John Briscoe with the bases loaded to stop the bleeding. We noticed on the diamond-vision that Briscoe had just awful numbers, and sure enough, he served up a grand slam to the first batter he faced, and then a solo homer to the next batter. "Briscoe-riffic!" we started shouting, laughing our asses off.
To his credit, I think Briscoe settled down after that.
by rubin sierra on
May 26, 2005 11:06 PM PDT
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I think why I'm so frustrated...
by baseballgirl on
May 26, 2005 11:08 PM PDT
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Exactly...
by FormerHuntsvilleStar on
May 27, 2005 1:23 PM PDT
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Not the lowest and not even close
There are two games that stand out in my memory. I attended the last pre-strike game of the 1994 season, a weird and depressing ending to a rotten year during a long drought. And then there was the 1998 doubleheader against the Yankees. They killed us in the first game. Kenny Rogers baffled them in the nightcap, and we had a huge lead. But Rogers exited, and our incompetent bullpen let it all slip away - culminating in Darryl Strawberry's you-could-see-it-coming-a-mile-away grand slam. That game had an odd grandeur, because that Yankee team was truly extraordinary. But the sight of the Yankee fans turning the game into a true home game, not the mixed affairs we see now, was just hideous.
This is nothing. This is a team that had a really good run and failed to win any big prizes. And now it's over. But there is talent on this team, even if it's difficult to see it clearly at the moment. And Billy Beane was right to trade Hudson and Mulder; the team had gone as far as it could given the budgetary constraints. (I'm less sure about whether we got the right guys in return, but Nico is correct to point out that the keys to those trades are Meyer - injured - and Barton - a teenager.)
The bigger question is how long it will take Beane to rebuild the team so it's competitive. I don't know, and it may take longer than we hope, but his track record speaks for itself.
It's difficult to adjust to a season without scoreboard-watching and a steady diet of losses. We've grown spoiled, and expected Beane to give us a contender against all odds. It hasn't happened, and everything has gone much worse than expected. It's no fun, but as mentioned above, it's been a lot worse.
by bear88 on
May 27, 2005 12:31 AM PDT
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AN day
by LoveThemAs on
May 27, 2005 12:34 AM PDT
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Lowest ive felt
by Xratedaldridge04 on
May 27, 2005 1:29 AM PDT
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1988 Game 1
My lowest point had to be Game 1 of the 88 World Series. My father and brother are both Dodger fans so that certainly didn't help. I know it was just one game, but it is a game that is now such a part of baseball history.
I would say those mid 90's years were far worse than what we're going through now. I still think this team can be good this year.
by Unuscione on
May 27, 2005 2:54 AM PDT
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'88 GAME 1 was the worst moment for me too
I'll tell you how bad it is...
Today I missed an ENTIRE GAME. I don't think I missed an entire game in 3-4 years. I'd even sneak a glace at a game during dinner at a restaurant, tune in to 610 AM on breaks when im at school, skip going out just to stay home and watch games on Friday nights, postpone projects and papers only to do them in the wee hours of the early morning, catch the Yahoo! feed or the AN play by play (thank you by the way) on the internet when im in the library, or just simply being at the ballgame. Today I didn't even give the A's much thought, except for when i put on my filthy hat to go to work. I needed a break, I'm tired. I don't think it would be this bad had we taken 2 of 3 from the Giants because I work at an elementary school where the majority of the teachers and students LOVE their GNATS. Zito takes on CLE next and they are struggling with their bats as well, I hope the pendulum starts to swing towards the EastBay.
LET'S FUCKING GO, OAKLAND!!!!! GOD DAMN IT!
by redclay22 on
May 27, 2005 4:07 AM PDT
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Not even close to the worst
Only problem is would any team really want Byrnes or Durazo?
by china bob on
May 27, 2005 3:14 AM PDT
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Through thick and thin
by Sam Dracula on
May 27, 2005 6:36 AM PDT
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this is nothing
Baseball is entertainment, and I guarentee noone feels worse than the guys themselves. I still take the little joys and enjoy the season. This is the beggining, not the end.
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May 27, 2005 7:26 AM PDT
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I know what to do!
Not to sound like Barry or anything, but the yin and the yang just aren't in check. Once offense clicks with our pitching, we'll be fantastic. I just hope that it happens this year... I'm pretty confident it will. And if not, did anyone see SFweekly's best of 2005 list? It came out a few weeks ago:
Best Bay Area sports Team: The 2006 Oakland Athletics.
by rocksolidrichharden on
May 27, 2005 7:52 AM PDT
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yeah but...
by Poppy on
May 27, 2005 8:48 AM PDT
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I too have decided
So I've decided to completely ignore the A's until 4:00pm today. Sigh. The curse of being a fan.
by Nico on
May 27, 2005 8:05 AM PDT
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I didn't see or hear yesterday's game
I actually don't feel all that low, because I didn't have really high expectations for this season to begin with. HOPES, yes, but not expectations. I still have HOPE for an insane 2nd-half charge that includes several strings of, say, 12-game winning streaks separated by one loss (you know, to keep it "realistic")... but I'm not really expecting that, either.
And the longer-time fans who have posted about the really hopeless seasons during the last few decades have added some perspective to this current pain...
by Poppy on
May 27, 2005 8:39 AM PDT
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low
by JMC on
May 27, 2005 8:55 AM PDT
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I will never cease to be an A's fan
by AlwaysSweatin on
May 27, 2005 9:26 AM PDT
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End of fandom
Then the whole sport went on strike, and I stopped caring. For about 5 years. It was actually kind of nice -- I missed a lot of Yankee highlights.
McGwire and Sosa didn't get me back. It was the A's. It was the best left side of the infield I've ever seen -- and I grew up with Mike Schmidt and Larry Bowa. It was a team that made opposing pitchers throw 100 pitches in 4 innings and watch 2 or 3 balls go over the fence. It was young pitchers that threw 100 pitches in 8 innings and won, and won, and won.
And so long as the A's keep trying, I'll keep going. But fandom is not eternal, and if an organization stops trying, you're a masochist to keep going. Kansas City fan, I'm talking to you...
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May 27, 2005 1:02 PM PDT
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Losing stinks, but...
2nd place would be seeing my brother cry after the A's lost to the Red Sox in '75.
by Coach Cleats on
May 27, 2005 10:11 AM PDT
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Cleats, I agree ... during these recent winning
winning two in New York should've set us up.
I also think that 2001 club was the best of the A's teams from '99-'04.
the 2001 team had the best chance to win it all !!
by HerbWashington on
May 27, 2005 10:31 AM PDT
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I know we're comparing root canals to
At least with 01, the Yanks were an excellent team that just out played us. I was there for the no-slide game, and it would have been a close play even if he'd slid and it would have only been a tie anyway. In 02, we just couldn't play in the Dome. Though I think we had the best chance in 02.
With 03, first, I really disliked the enemy team personally (I'm glad they had that hideous meltdown in Gm7 later v Yanks). Second, we lost that series on bad mental mistakes from our leaders. (I'm including Huddy's bar fight here.)
This year, I just want to see the young guys do well. There's more resignation than pain on my part.
by Apricot on
May 27, 2005 11:15 AM PDT
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The Red Sox series was bad...
by Coach Cleats on
May 27, 2005 11:26 AM PDT
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What did Tokyoak say on AN that was so offensive?
by Checkswing HR on
May 27, 2005 11:26 AM PDT
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Zen
The thing is, not matter whether they win or lose, I still get excited to head out to the Coliseum, still love to prop up my chair near the ol' hoopdy, smiling at all the A's fans, enjoying this "summer" weather and all the games that I look forward to all winter. Cuz I love the A's, but I love baseball even more.
So I am clinging more closely to that feeling of pleased relaxation, and am ready to cheer the A's on, regardless of how they are playing, because I know that in the life of a team, just like in my life, there are crappy times and good times, and they always follow each other. So if you don't like the situation now, just wait awhile.
In the meantime, you gotta enjoy what you can of the ride.
by tankerraid on
May 27, 2005 11:51 AM PDT
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Can Macha shake up the lineup more
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May 27, 2005 12:03 PM PDT
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Loyal A's Fan
The following yr in `99, I remembered the A's found themselves in contention for a wildcard w/ I think Bos and Toronto? I was hooked after that, couldn't wait for next season. The timing couldn't have been better since I was slowly detaching myself from the Raiders. I liken it to ending my relationship w/ the BigMac at McDonalds. Took a bite one day and couldn't eat anymore. It soured my appetite. I still follow them through the paper, but no longer a true, die-hard fan like I use to be. I'm very glad that I discovered the A's. They fittingly filled the void left by the silver & black. I went into the yr w/ so much optimism for these new guys and our young lads that I think I ignored the possibility of something like this happening. The losses has been very diff to deal w/ esp the way we're losing and to whom we're losing to.
I guess I'm still hoping for a miracle b/c I think it's not too late for them to turn it around, albeit after the TB series, that hope is slowly fading. As an A's fan at this point, I'm no longer thinking playoffs. I'm just looking to get everyone healthy and seeing them progress together as one cohesive unit. I still believe we have a talented bunch and all I'm looking for right now is for them to be competitive, gain more experience, and build it up for next yr and the yrs to come.
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May 27, 2005 1:14 PM PDT
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I want to vote twice!
We have had some very special teams and moments over the years..and the past few years have been a joy.
The Oakland A's have always been and will always be my team, win or lose.
Vote #2 - Keep the faith - and get to the ballpark, you never know what you will see! I want to watch these rookies grow up and flash brilliance, I want to see our young "veterans" play the way I know they can.
A very baseball savvy friend told me "they just aren't very good right now...but keep your head up - things at some point will improve."
I know they will and I will be there to celebrate along with the team, with Blez and the AN faithful.
by LongTimeFan on
May 27, 2005 1:29 PM PDT
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How about...
When Ass-Jack Pyrzinski hit that home run to make it 5-1, and then Ellis made it 5-4 yet we still lost. I'm positive we would have stopped the Angels too.
by Pucking Insane on
May 27, 2005 3:14 PM PDT
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That sucked...
When they went down to the Red Sox, some part of me said, "That's it, this team as constituted just isn't going to win." Even when the 2004 team was up in September, I never really believed in it. The Sox game bummed me out for, well, weeks.
by DMtShooter on
May 27, 2005 3:27 PM PDT
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When is this AN day that Blez is talking about?
by JLaff on
May 27, 2005 8:28 PM PDT
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It's right after the A's next win--
by Nico on
May 27, 2005 8:42 PM PDT
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Lowest Point- the mid to late 90's
The last handful of years with playoff busts was dissapointing, but having a very good team to get to that point was something to hang your hat on at least. Knowing we have a bright (immediate?)future with the talent on this team makes this feel not as bad as 10 years ago or so.
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