Somebody has to say it...
Tyler, I am glad that your spring training trip turned out so well. You provide an excellent service to A's fans everywhere and I cannot imagine how tough it is to do with a newborn and normal job. However, enough already with the hero worship. The "In Billy We Trust" motto ruins a perfectly good t-shirt. Does that mean you will shut down the site if Billy leaves? Huston Street picked up your pen? Billy's wife is 'beautiful'? Please. You are making some of us cringe. Mentioning to AN readers that players and broadcasters visit the site? Better left unsaid or at least assumed. Ripping on the MSM for asking A's players non-team related questions and then posing for photos with A's personnel like a Superfan? You can't have it both ways, even if you hide behind the `blogger' curtain. Otherwise, your overall objectivity will soon be in question if it isn't already.
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by oakwin2004 on Mar 29, 2005 2:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bloggers
by oakwin2004 on Mar 29, 2005 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would worry...
This is an A's site....screw the rest of 'em!
by Mission1929 on Mar 29, 2005 2:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the "Almost Famous" Syndrome
Good thing Blez is a blogger and not a journalist!
(I still can't figure out what a sports journalist is, anyway. Do they have different rules than real reporters?)
Keep up the good work Blez!
I love AN! (and I used to be a reporter, too)
by Eck on Mar 29, 2005 2:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
what?!?!?
Give me a break!
by kvn on Mar 29, 2005 2:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
to oakwin 2004 - clean it up
Curse words are allowed: Most of us are adults here, but I don't want to see people cursing at each other. It's just unnecessary. And try and keep the curse words for things like when Giambi fails to slide or for extreme moments of frustration.
by southofcruiseamerica on Mar 29, 2005 2:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ad Hominem attacks
"And try and keep the curse words for things like when Giambi fails to slide or for extreme moments of frustration."
-Thanks for telling us when to curse.
"This means you can refute ideas that people have, but..."
-Clearly, you believe yourself to be endowed with the wisdom and objective clarity to set the rules for everyone else.
by kvn on Mar 29, 2005 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a curse word, that's....
by nodaclu on Mar 29, 2005 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with
By the way Blez, I get more compliments on the back of that shirt than anything else I own that doesn't say "Armani" on it. Leave em just the way they are.
by nothinlikethetown on Mar 29, 2005 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hey
Just the way it is.
Thanks to Blez for putting this thing together and sharing his experiences with us.
by Sharon on Mar 29, 2005 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
by southofcruiseamerica on Mar 29, 2005 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No Prob
While there is a lot of intelligent discourse here, it really is a fan site. We're all here because we love the A's. We can debate stats, but we can also brag about meeting a player -- just like in a bar.
(Except Ohad and GreenAndGoldGirl couldn't get in if we were at a bar.)
by Eck on Mar 29, 2005 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bar
by bballfanr33 on Mar 29, 2005 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"someone get that boy a glass of milk"!
by bigelephant on Mar 29, 2005 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A dirty Glass........
Kudos,and of course shame, to anyone who can identify this quote.
by AlwaysSweatin on Mar 29, 2005 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha..
I'll admit I had to Google it. I would have no clue otherwise.
by FlagsFlyForever on Mar 29, 2005 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! Cop & 1/2!!
"Haven't you ever heard of secondary smoke? At this very moment the delicate tissues of my still forming lungs may be shriveling into chunks of mucas, gasping for their last breath of poision brown air."
hehe :)
by GreenNGoldGirl on Mar 29, 2005 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
everyone....
personally i throughly enjoyed reading what happened when blez was on his trip to the a's camp.
some opinions may differ but we all can agree on one simple thing about this site.
we appreciate and love the hard work that blez puts into AN and thank him for everything he's done.
that's my two cents
by TorontoAsFan on Mar 29, 2005 2:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i respect your opinions
by bigelephant on Mar 29, 2005 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pardon me Mr. KBACA
I give my two cents and in an hour I am called a jacka**, my right to post is questioned, am told to start my own blog and told to spare the rest of you. Nice bunch.
I know what the site is founded on and what we all have in common. But did Tyler get access to the field with a 'Blog' credential? Perhaps you're failing to see the warning signs of where this road is heading.
Next thing you know his tickets are comped, he's on the team charter and he drops his kid off at day care with the player's kids. Only kidding.
I love the A's, I love the site, I respect Tyler, okay?
by southofcruiseamerica on Mar 29, 2005 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Such hostility...
If anything you have to give the guy credit for taking a blog site and turning it into a successful business venture in a field and covering a sports team that he loves. Damn, I would LOVE to be in his shoes right now.
Maybe you would do things differently, but dude, its his site.
by Captain on Mar 29, 2005 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Better Than Being a Reporter
And in the immortal words of Bart Simpson: "Now if only someone will pay you to scratch your ass and burp you'd be on easy street."
by Eck on Mar 29, 2005 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
outstanding post.
by Schinto on Mar 29, 2005 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love it
by Tony on Mar 29, 2005 3:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
SORRY, I was probably being a bit of jerk
I find so much satisfaction in this blog and I really enjoyed Blez' last post. I dunno, maybe I have no sense of journalistic integrity.
by kvn on Mar 29, 2005 3:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He may "be annoying"
by Nico on Mar 29, 2005 3:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You are not reading Sports Illustrated here . . .
If to wear your heart on your sleeve means to get chastized by one who doesn't understand, so be it.
by jarforcefatherofforce on Mar 29, 2005 3:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Almost sounds like...
Good job Blez, we all wish we were in your shoes right now.
by rook on Mar 29, 2005 3:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it, but I somewhat agree
by maxnelson on Mar 29, 2005 3:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No one is jumpin...
As for other site, on the right side of the site is a bunch of other site, like the Chron, ANG, ESPN, go read there for objectivity or what ever it is you crave.
And it's Huston.
by rook on Mar 29, 2005 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
objectivity
by Parklife on Mar 29, 2005 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
by rook on Mar 29, 2005 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny...
I borrowed a pen from someone next to me and instantly dropped it.
Wouldn't you know it.
After a couple of minutes he bent down and picked it up, then did the interview for Forrest and signed my ticket.
That is one of the impressions I was left with after the whole 4 day trip.
As a fan, I became more of one, because it showed the humanity in a world where at times we lose sight of that.
So, Blez, I am right there with you bro.
Baseball needs more of us. The fans covering the sport. Writers that bleed green and gold and do not toe the stupid ass company line.
by saint on Mar 29, 2005 3:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blez... Objective??
Is this not a Fan Site, and should not a Fan Site be run by a Super Fan? Hell Yes!
If Billy quits he will make new T-shirts.
by Donner on Mar 29, 2005 3:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Some good points
The egos here are fed with comments about the players/sportswriters coming to the site. With all respect to Michael Urban (and others), some regulars here provide more insightful analysis. Then MU posts a comment and posters go crazy for more of MU. I think we are selling the diaries and our own comments short.
Perhaps this is all pointless. Blez never pretends to be anything more than a fan. I think we can all agree that he has enhanced our Athletic fan experience. And, like others have said, it is his site. He can do whatever he wants.
by Parklife on Mar 29, 2005 3:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hi Joe!
I thought folks had moved past this mis-conception.
by grover on Mar 29, 2005 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm....
But, once again thank you for the personal attack. Why don't you drink some Kool-Aid.
or.. Just move to Russia:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/international/europe/29russia.html
by Parklife on Mar 29, 2005 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Sorry for having standards!
by grover on Mar 29, 2005 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by Parklife on Mar 29, 2005 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
by grover on Mar 29, 2005 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't
By the way, you dont have to be a jerk. You do have an option.
by Parklife on Mar 29, 2005 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where was the personal attack in the first place?
"Billy creates a book."
I thought folks had moved past this mis-conception.
do you find a personal attack? I see someone who thinks you've written a misconception, something that is not accurate. And he's pointing it out. If you thought that was personal, then you have yet to experience life, man.
I like grover's posts a lot. He can tend to get a little mean, but it is ALWAYS in response to the other person being rude first. Always. You need to lighten up, buddy.
by davebenfremont on Mar 29, 2005 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the friendly nod
And I didn't realize misconception wasn't hyphenated.
by grover on Mar 29, 2005 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice that we can be friends
by Parklife on Mar 30, 2005 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK.
B) I, however, am being a jerk.
C) I exercised my option to be a jerk. Suck it up.
by Inquisitor on Mar 30, 2005 2:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and
E) I think I was over it before it started.
F) Remember the "Let it go" comment.
by Parklife on Mar 30, 2005 8:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
G) You can't read.
I) Learn how to read.
J) The only person who has made a personal attack was me.
K) The only person who admitted to making a personal attack was, again, me.
L) If I listened to you, then maybe I'd "Let it go." But I don't listen to people who not only can't read, but like to make up complete fiction like "Billy Beane had someone write a book for him" and, when they are realize they are on the losing end of an argument, make up even more lies like saying that their opponents are "resorting to personal attacks" when no such attacks existed.
by Inquisitor on Mar 30, 2005 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Great Book
Inquisitor, you are so angry. Why don't you pull the shades back and let a little sunshine into your life. We all make our own reality. If you want to be angry all the time. Well, I feel bad for you. Try renting, "What the Bleep do We Know". It is a fun movie.
As for the BB writing the book, I explained that below. I am not the first person, and I have made this point before, that BB has cultivated a religion. With that are good and bad consequences. Good: The team won lots of games. Bad: I am attacked for an opinion.
Remember.. count to 10.. and breathe.
by Parklife on Mar 30, 2005 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where's the attack?
by dubsea on Mar 30, 2005 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just thinking about this some more
by Parklife on Mar 30, 2005 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i've been watching this exchange...
i enjoy reading both of you, but this one has me stumped.
by bigelephant on Mar 30, 2005 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I've had past battles with this guy...
by grover on Mar 30, 2005 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I
How can we have past "battles"?
What is a "battle"?
by Parklife on Mar 31, 2005 8:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was curiousy to see where this had gone
It's all fine and dandy if you've compared Moneyball to the Bible in another thread, but I have absolutely no memory of this event. I took you literally when you said "Billy created a book." That is simply not a factual statement and I called you on it. Telling someone that their facts are off should not be construed as a personal attack.
So you've chosen to embelish the truth to better make your point... let's just call this a difference in literary taste. The real problem becomes this: Your bias towards Beane and Moneyball and the "fanaticism" of this site has led you towards making another outrageous claim.
"BB had more influence on Moneyball than God did writing the bible. At least BB was interviewed."
I had to endure 4 years of Catholic High School, and one of the few things that stuck with me was this: God wrote the Bible through the hands of the Disciples. That he directly inspired and controlled the writing of the Bible. I'm sure you can see here the absolute folly of your claim that Beane could have had more influence in Moneyball than God over the Bible. I (for one) do not believe that Beane could have swept aside all vestiges of free will from Michael Lewis and command him into writing the book that became Moneyball.
I know, I know, you're trying to make an analogy. But it's such a BAD analogy that it completely underminds any point you were trying to make. And please don't consider this another personal attack.
It's merely a literary criticism.
by grover on Mar 30, 2005 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Spell check, Grover. Spell check!
Had to prove to myself that I could spell it.
by grover on Mar 30, 2005 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While you are counting:
But, we are not A's fans to improve our spellling.
What I considered a personal attack was calling me Joe (Morgan). My name is not Joe. It is insulting to be maliciously grouped in with him.
I can take a "literary criticism". Why did you not write this at the beginning? I think it is generous to say that my comments (or the vast majority of those here) are literary. I think of our posts here to be on the same level as idle conversation. It seems that you have a personal stake in this. You had three choices when you saw my post. Move on, write a non-threatening reply, or attack.
With respect to your religious training, God and the bible... On second thought, best not go into that one. I think it is safe to say we see things differently here.
Comparing sport to religion is not a new concept. Some people identify more with their "team" than with their priest. What do you think the term "fan" is short for? Every so often I see art work posted on this site that clearly identifies Beane as a God figure. Even the mantra "In Beane We Trust" is along the same lines. Reading a preview by sportsnet, posted by TorontoAsFan, says, "The true disbelievers of `Moneyball' will be watching the Athletics very closely this season." Once again, religious connotations are applied to Moneyball. Comparing the Bible to Moneball and Beane to God is not a great leap of faith. From your comments, it appears that you understand my point. And, once again, it was an analogy.
You then laugh at being referenced to as a religious fanatic. Once again, I did not say that you were actually a religious fanatic. I was comparing you to one. One of the many ideas that strike me about this group is their unwillingness to accept a different viewpoint. And, you continue to demonstrate that very well.
We clearly see the world from a different perspective. I hope you can take this into account in the future.
by Parklife on Mar 31, 2005 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hi Joe = Personal attack
Have you ever been accused of being overly sensitive?
It's not a question of me being unwilling to listen to different viewpoints, it's a matter of you not telling the truth and expecting to get away with it. Beane did not write "Moneyball" and until you learn to accept this ANY arguement you might pose will not be given merit by those of us who can discern fact and fiction.
Your religious analogy fails in one key area. The True Believers of the Bible accept that the writers were the direct conduit of God. The True Believers around here know that Michael Lewis wrote Moneyball, and none of them (I hope) believe that Beane had such power over Lewis. So your analogy not only fails to make a connection, it makes you sound horribly uninformed. And yet you still cling to the core belief, even after you've been shown the hollowness of that core... much like a certain baseball announcer who once made a similar statement.
Personally, I've questioned the Bible, Catholicism and the moves of Billy Beane. So your attempts to discredit my opinion by lumping me into this fanatical wing are pointless. Yet I'm concerned that your inability to differentiate what is real with what you believe will prevent you from accepting the reality of the situation. I did not launch personal attack at you until after you thanked me for doing what I hadn't yet done. I felt obligated to then take a shot, if for no other reason than to justify you offering me thanks to begin with.
I don't really consider it my duty to point out misconceptions people may have, but sometimes it's just nice to help out.
by grover on Mar 31, 2005 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ANY argument
We see things differently.
Let it go.. Its ok.
by Parklife on Apr 1, 2005 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
South
I guess I just don't see you're endgame in stirring up the pot. I'm not going to tell you what you should or shouldn't write on the Internet, but you should have the courtesy to have a point behind your writings.
by grover on Mar 29, 2005 3:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blez thinks Billy has a beautiful wife....
Nothing wrong with noticing things and pointing them out sometimes.
"Objective" journalism no longer exists IMHO. So I look for people who give me the slant I want to hear.
The OAFC has a different slant on things. The mainstream media has a different slant on things. It becomes a matter of personal preference over time.
If Blez goes too far overboard, people will stop visiting. It's a simple as that. At that point, he'll know it's time to pull back.
Give your audience what they want, until they tell you they don't want it anymore. In that respect, Blez does a great job. More power to him.
If you disagree, that's okay too - just don't expect things to change much as long as the majority is of a different opinion, that's all.
by nodaclu on Mar 29, 2005 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with most what you wrote
by bigelephant on Mar 29, 2005 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
There are other A's sites on the web, claiming to be "fan sites" that offer a far more critical view of the team.
Blez doesn't do that here...a nd doesn't really seem to want that here. My observation is that the vast majority that come here don't want that either.
That's what I meant. It may have come out sounding like I thought Blez was pandering to his audience, which I strongly believe is *not* the case.
by nodaclu on Mar 29, 2005 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by bigelephant on Mar 30, 2005 5:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KBACA, Rook, Captain, Max & Tyler
Rook - I am not jealous. I would have written it the same way minus the fawning. I also would have thought long and hard about applying for and accepting a media credential. Not that Tyler made the wrong choice, he would not have been able to give us this access if he had to camp out in the parking lot or outside of the book release party. AN is obviously reaching new heights - maybe I just prefer the start-up days and am trying to prevent the self-importance of those Red Sox sites. Some of the photos and captions on bostondirtdogs are pretty clever and funny though.
Captain - You are correct, as long as AN readers can still freely post (with reasonable content of course) then this site will still be the best for all things A's. I was just trying to point out that if Street, Harden or any others mentioned begin to struggle and they get a free pass from Tyler we may wonder, with good reason, why.
Max - Thank you. I can sleep a little better tonight knowing that somebody agrees with me on this.
Tyler - Please don't take this as a blast on your dream trip and magic moment. We are all better off for your dedication and keep up the good work.
by southofcruiseamerica on Mar 29, 2005 3:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I must admit
by OaklandSi on Mar 29, 2005 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
by Satchmo22 on Mar 29, 2005 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this should be a separate diary
Anyway, I know that's a pretty bare bones critique, but I just thought I'd throw it out there. Maybe my hopes and expectations were too high, but I thought since Urban is buddies with them and around them all the time, we would have gotten a lot more than what I could get in the paper.
by Tony on Mar 29, 2005 3:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I won't bash ya on this
by grover on Mar 29, 2005 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yo
by Tony on Mar 29, 2005 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by TheO4Ever on Mar 29, 2005 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I concur!!!!11
Its quite clear that Athletics Nation is nothing more than gushing fandom of Billy Beane!
The worst part is that BB has done nothing to deserve such loyalty. Blez and AN readers act like competing with the likes of the Yankees, Sox and Angels with a quarter of their payroll is some kinda challenge. Happens all the time, people.
by limecat on Mar 29, 2005 4:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"...gushing fandom of Billy Beane..."
I personally know people who get all gushed-out over Ferris Fain.
And I know we all would get a little gushy-eyed last season when they'd show Connie Mack on the big screen before each game.
My friend, the gushing been happening long before BB came on the scene.
by Mission1929 on Mar 29, 2005 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Billy's dog is cute.
So...
...obviously, I think Billy's dog is cute b/c I'm a huge fan of the owner.
Makes sense to me.
by Sharon on Mar 29, 2005 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
...this diary is lame
by olmedotimes on Mar 29, 2005 4:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this blog is exactly what it should be
What is wrong with having a site that is written from the perspective of a fan's heart? Being a sports fan is a pretty irrational thing to be anyhow. We essentially root for laundry. How can one really be serious and 'objective' about that? Take the site for what it is, an A's fan blog. Enjoy it for what it is.
I presonally love athleticsnation for what it is.
by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 29, 2005 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and
by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 29, 2005 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was..
by rook on Mar 29, 2005 4:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
olmedo
by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 29, 2005 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was there too
The best was walking out of the coliseum, all the chanting, hoot'n and holerin, youd think we won the World Series.
Defintely one of the best games ive ever been to.
by pickinmachine on Mar 29, 2005 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that game had it all
That was one of the better games that I have ever been to... ever.
by Athletics fan and runner on Mar 29, 2005 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Olmedo!
by Reg on Mar 29, 2005 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
AN is so well done, with so much professionalism
That is exactly where it started but it now takes Big Steps forward where there really is no precedent, no guide.
AN is defining itself in front of us, and we are defining AN as we all participate and bring our past time to greater enjoyment, and "closer" than ever in history.
How many groups, clubs, or associations have the officials & players of their affections as regular participants? How many have the professional media celebs in their industries participating WITH them? How many can "meld" with the object of their fascination becoming a dynamic part of it in the process?!!!!
AN does.
Unofficially, AN is becoming a very real extension of the A's AND the fans, as viewer and viewed become an extension of each other's family, as viewer and viewed enjoy a closeness that only this technology could bring.
Blez is the one! Blez has pioneered a new American cultural hybrid. It goes past journalistic tradition because every reader at AN is a contributing journalist in his own right, and the traditional "reader".
AN is like reading a book, but this book talks back to us, corrects us, scolds us, retorts, exhilerates, prompts, praises, reports, rejects, joins, admonishes, envies, shares, hates, loves, scorns, exhorts, one ups, and ignores us!
Spontaineously!
AN's "dynamic" will definitely grow in popularity and be copied in other cities and other sports. AN is cutting edge and a "newsmaker" by it's own merits, and in it's own right. AN's big problem in the future won't be issues of integrity or ethics but the strain of remaining as independent and dynamic as AN is today.
Folks, you are enjoying America's online "Sports Bar & Lounge"
... you are invited to participate,
...we think you will like it!
Thanks Blez!
by Billy Ball 2005 on Mar 29, 2005 4:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by oakwin2004 on Mar 29, 2005 4:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Posted by someone who gets paid!!!!
Spring training is a laid back time for players and writers. What major sport allows you to go into the clubhouse during games? Traditionally, when a starting pitcher leaves the game, writers head down to the clubhouse for a quick interview. After the interview, you can hang out there for a while or head back to the press box. The A's will allow writers to go down the tunnel to the dugout and sneak a peek at the game. Saturday in Tempe, I was standing near the dugout in front of a retaining wall watching the action. You can't get any closer to the field. Yet, no one cared that we were so close to the action. If you've got a press pass, that's good enough for security guards. That's the beauty of spring training. This stuff simply doesn't happen during the regular season. If you were hanging out near the dugout for a real game, you'd have credentials revoked and probably be taken to the police station and locked up. That might get you out of a writing a game story. Come to think of it, not a bad idea. This is a funny time of the year. Spring training can be long and tedious, but now that the Arizona portion is just about over, there's a little bit of sadness that casualness of the exhibition season is nearly over and we won't return until next February to do it all over again.
by theblackpearl on Mar 29, 2005 5:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ahhhh.....
(thats the best i can do with no swear words)
by nickatt7 on Mar 29, 2005 5:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Jackass"
Well, it is because you assume too much. You assume that everyone should feel as you do.
You're first comment attacks Blez for inciting "Hero worship" by "ruining a perfectly good t-shirt" with the "In Billy we Trust" script.
Well, Jackass, you're blaming the wrong person for that. That's my fault, and about 200 hundred other people who thought up the idea for t-shirts during a thread a couple of months ago.
Blez would never make that kind of decision without consulting us, so as to be sure that we got what we wanted. So be careful dude, when you criticize Blez, you criticize us all.
by Force on Mar 29, 2005 5:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My 2 cents on this
2. Think of any intimate relationship and which response hurts more--anger or indifference? If people wish to discourage diaries that criticize AN or its captain, are 70 comments the most effective way to do it?
I reread the diary and have to say I found nothing offensive in it; some stuff I agreed with, some I disagreed with, some seemed a bit ungrateful, maybe. But it is a tad ironic that when people spill their political beliefs on AN, it runs about 90%-95% anti-Bush-government (which matches my political beliefs), yet you would hardly know it from the patriotic, "how dare you criticize AN or its leader?" free-speech-except... response to diaries like this.
C'mon guys!
by Nico on Mar 29, 2005 6:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
As a part-time educator...
by Inquisitor on Mar 30, 2005 2:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is where I come out as well
Anyway, this diary's already been pushed off the top 10 by a hoard of new "news reposts" and the standard 3 posts a day by oaktoon so I doubt anyone will see this ;)
by Tim J on Mar 30, 2005 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it
by Captain on Mar 30, 2005 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it!
This site is primarily about opinions...that's its purpose. Opinions generate other opinions and it's fun reading and commenting on them. There ain't no brick wall on opinions or opionions about others opinions outside of the community standards.
Mouthpiece for BB? At times, sure and a mouthpiece for all of us with varying views and even an open forum to critic BB's views too and plenty of folks let him have it. That's what this site is all about.
I really like what secret asian man had to say on his post in this diary too.
by ak_A on Mar 30, 2005 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
South
by OaktownTribesman on Mar 29, 2005 6:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Flashback
Do you remember a certain thread that appeared when we first discovered McCovey Chronicles and found out Kos and Blez was "syndicating" the AN format for other baseball team fan bloggers?
Blez sold out, nothing else to it.
This is pretty much what this thread is about although I don't think anybody here is a troll.
Look, I don't come here for objectivity, I come here to commune with my fellow A's fans. Sometimes I analyze stats. Sometimes I post glib comments that probably don't have much to do with baseball.
Like Blez said, this place is like a bar, or maybe a kickass tailgate party. We show up, have fun and talk about the A's and what we expect out of these guys, or collectively bitch when the A's lose or Ratto writes a negative article.
This is not a place for objective baseball analysis. If you want that, join SABR or read Bill James' extracts. This is just one big party for A's fans.
There, I've just thrown in my two cents.
Oh yeah, about the shirt. I wish the "In Billy we trust," was BIGGER, that goes for the hoodies, too.
In fact, I'm not buying a hoodie unless the "in Billy..." is bigger.
I think that quote is hilarious, like those BB/Communist posters that BB actually likes.
There, that's three cents.
by secret ASian man on Mar 29, 2005 6:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Amen!
Always remember you can stop reading at any time if you don't like it.
I'm going back to my rum now. Have a great night!
by Jennifer on Mar 29, 2005 6:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blez rules
by Reg on Mar 29, 2005 8:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
An Analysis.
>"Somebody has to say it..."
No...nobody has to say it. In fact, I'm pretty sure that no one has to say anything. But that's just the literal (read: anal) criticism. What you mean to say is not only that other people are agreeing with your opinion, but that you feel compelled to be their spokesperson, and that the opinion you are about to express is important enough that it "has" to be said. Except it isn't, and you aren't that important. Sorry. Hate to break it to you.
>"Tyler, I am glad that your spring training trip turned out so well. You provide an excellent service to A's fans everywhere and I cannot imagine how tough it is to do with a newborn and normal job. "
This is the "Oh I will write nice pleasant things here because I don't want people to rip me for what I'm about to say right after I insert one of the following propositions: but, however, on the other hand, unfortunately, et. al." But they are nice sentiments, so they bear repetition. Blez, this site rocks. Good work. More power to ya.
>"However, enough already with the hero worship. The "In Billy We Trust" motto ruins a perfectly good t-shirt. Does that mean you will shut down the site if Billy leaves?"
Actually, the "In Billy We Trust" motto has been spoken aloud by hundreds, if not thousands, of A's fans. And an even greater number, while never having said the exact phrase, probably agree with the sentiment it conveys. And, as someone else pointed out, Blez wouldn't have made it into a t-shirt unless there was enough response. The guy is trying to run a business. A business based on a team he loves, yes, but a business nonetheless. If he didn't get enough fan response, he never would have printed the shirts.
Oh, by the way, blez has stated on several occasions that he would be sad if Beane left, but would know that the franchise would be in good hands because David Forst would be next in line to run it. And even if somehow the entire front office was gutted: we root for the laundry.
>"Huston Street picked up your pen? Billy's wife is 'beautiful'? Please. You are making some of us cringe."
Yes, Huston Street picked up his pen. And he made the point that Huston Street is polite. Example: When he dropped his pen, Huston Street didn't hesitate to pick it up for him. God forbid Tyler should make a judgment on Street's character based on his actions. It's just plain good manners to pick up something someone else has dropped. It's right up there with helping old ladies cross the street, or giving directions to someone who is lost.
And some of us didn't know that Billy Beane's wife was hawt. So hey, it's news to us. Good to know. I'll be sure to bring it up with him the next time we have a meeting. "Hey Billy, Tyler tells me your wife is foine. Got any pics?"
>"Mentioning to AN readers that players and broadcasters visit the site? Better left unsaid or at least assumed."
Why? Why is it better left unsaid or assumed? You keep saying things and making statements without providing any rationale behind them. It's like saying "The grass is green." Thanks for your input, Captain Obvious. Is there a reason that you're making these statements, or do you just want to say them "because they have to be said"?
>"Ripping on the MSM for asking A's players non-team related questions and then posing for photos with A's personnel like a Superfan? You can't have it both ways, even if you hide behind the `blogger' curtain. Otherwise, your overall objectivity will soon be in question if it isn't already."
He ripped the mainstream media (which is what I'm going to assume was what you meant with the universally used acronym "MSM") because they were there to report on Spring Training, and hence, baseball, when not one of them asked a single baseball-related question.
Blez isn't there to be objective. He's there to be an A's fan, and to give other A's fans information that they might not get from the "objective" news sources.
The fact of the matter is that Tyler isn't the one who is confused. You are. You make the (extremely implicit, might I add) claim that somehow Tyler is "not doing his job" or is "being hypocritical" when he reports things like how Huston Street is polite or how he thinks Billy Beane's wife is beautiful. Hello McFly, that is his job. This is an A's blog. It's a center for all things A's-related. It's not an "objective source for news." It's where A's fans go to get gossip and inside scoops and argue about rumors and who should play second base and why Wash would or wouldn't make a good manager.
And yes, we like to know that "MSM" broadcaster-types and A's players and even His-Freakin-Holiness Billy Beane himself visits this syte. Why? Because this site is, gasp, about the A's. We, as A's fans, visit this site. It's just plain "cool information" to know that the guys who you cheer for on the field, and well-known A's-related broadcasters, know about this site and visit it as well. If you were a fan of a movie star, and you visited his fan-site daily, wouldn't it be cool for you to know that the guy himself actually visits the site, too?
Tyler isn't a journalist. He's not a news caster. He is not a reporter. He's just an A's fan, trying to run an A's fansite, and trying to make a living off of it. That's it.
I hate to break it to you, but you have no idea what you're talking about. You might, just might, have had a point if Tyler had gone to journalism school or was a reporter for a newspaper. But he's not. So you don't.
by Inquisitor on Mar 30, 2005 3:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Amen
Living in a remote place without many people to talk baseball with or nudge in appreciation while I watch the A's on TV is my lot and I miss having fellow die-hard A's fans to talk with. This blog provides me with an intimate sense of community with a common interest that I cannot get nor do not expect to get from the mainstream media.
It is amusing to read people's lectures enlightening us, the obviously intellectually challenged, within the context of this blog as if this recreational interest of ours was a freaking Federal case and-you-should-think-this-way-because-I-am-so-sophisticated. But, then again, I consider it amusing and part of the entertainment value of the blog.
And if I had buddy here who went down to STraining to see the A's I would be thrilled to hear about his personal experiences with the players and do not expect any propieties of "proper jounalism" to even be considered. Blez, and many others become that virtual buddy for me through this blog. Without it, I am stuck with Joe Morgan, Kruk and Yahoo Sports. And those options, though worthwile, ain't half as much fun as this blog is.
by ak_A on Mar 30, 2005 6:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Inquisitor
by southofcruiseamerica on Mar 30, 2005 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This thread...
by LowcountryJoe on Mar 30, 2005 5:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Vorp of this fluff is above average but I saw
Can I have a witness from the choir?
by Billy Ball 2005 on Mar 30, 2005 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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