6 man rotation?
Just a thought that occured to me: Why not go for a 6 man rotation?
I was just listening to Urban speaking about concerns about workloads. Why not just go to a six man rotation? We already carry a ton of guys in the pullpen, we have a versitile bench... so why not?
It would save our pitchers for a stronger September and October.
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For one thing
by grover on Dec 6, 2005 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No way...
by OaktownPower on Dec 6, 2005 10:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, that was my idea!
teams skip their #5 because they don't want him out there. If you have a good #5, he'll make his start ever turn around the rotation and your team will be better off for it. Your aces may lose a planned start or two - but there's a decent chance in actuality they'll get them back by staying healthy and, regardless, they'll be able to throw a couple more innings in the starts that they do make.
Heck, lets go to a 6 man rotation. Saarloos as #6 - we'll skip him whenever off days dictate to keep everyone else on the proper schedule. With everyone except Harden being a good but not great 3.50-4.00 range pitcher and Saarloos not being far behind we wouldn't lose anything with replacing a Zito or Loaiza start with an extra Blanton start and the couple of starts Harden would lose would probably be worth it to help keep him healthy ...
If we don't trade someone that seems like a heck of an idea to me.
http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/12/2/111944/548/25#25
by devo on Dec 6, 2005 10:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thought someone had mentioned it before
by grover on Dec 6, 2005 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted that last year and wrote a Diary:
Way back in like April.
by saint on Dec 6, 2005 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, stupid minds think alike:::
Are you as excited as I am about our team right now???
by saint on Dec 6, 2005 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, come on, it's a great idea ...
I'm always excited about our team. I love the Loaiza move. He's not a great pitcher but he should be very good in front of our D. Heis numbers'll be just as good as Zito this year and better if/when Zito gets traded to a team with a lesser D.
We'll be able to get much more offensive help in trade for Zito than we would have for $7m/yr on the FA market. I'm stoked ... though I have no idea why in the heck we'd want David Wells ...
by devo on Dec 6, 2005 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wells will be our 5th guy:
We want All-Stars at all positions. AN-d I mean ALL positions. BZ gives us a chance to land a Burrell or Abreu...Screw the Minor League talent out there, we have our own...
by saint on Dec 6, 2005 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he'll be much better than Saar
I'd prefer to move Zito four a younger, cheaper nearly star caliber player - but, either way, we'd probably get a better player for cheaper than going with a FA.
by devo on Dec 6, 2005 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For one year, I am all in...
Otherwise..No deal.
by saint on Dec 6, 2005 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a 6 man
by Dig the Long Ball on Dec 6, 2005 10:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
eh ...
by devo on Dec 6, 2005 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wells?
by Dig the Long Ball on Dec 6, 2005 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wrong diection...go to a 4 man
by bigelephant on Dec 6, 2005 10:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Um, terrible idea
by Nick86 on Dec 6, 2005 10:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The idea
The last guy in the bullpen doesn't pitch much anyway. 50 innings divided among 6 starters is 8 innings each. 8 innings times 15 pitches is 120 total. 120 divided by 30 starts is 4 pitches/start.
by devo on Dec 6, 2005 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is mostly personal condition & beliefs...
Why force either into a an uncomfortable regimentation?
Is it better to spot start for starters as comfort zones and health issues arrise?
by Billy Ball 2005 on Dec 6, 2005 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why would it be uncomfortable?
No, it's better to be proactive and try to avoid health issues from arrising in the first place.
by devo on Dec 6, 2005 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because they are not clones
Respect that and you have healthy, comfortable pitchers.
Harden could never do what Zito does and vice versa
Respect that because they both give you value.
by Billy Ball 2005 on Dec 6, 2005 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok ...
I asked why an extra day of rest would make either of them uncomfortable ...
by devo on Dec 6, 2005 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We seem to basicly agree
by Billy Ball 2005 on Dec 6, 2005 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Have 2 guys warm up like they're starting
by JJ on Dec 6, 2005 12:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't necessarily thin out the bullpen
I'm also very skeptical of this myth of a regular rotation. I can't remember a season in which we've had one. Between injuries, days off, skipping the 5th spot, etc., a pitcher never has a reliable day to pitch. As long as the pitcher has enough rest and knows a day in advance, I simply don't buy into the theory at all.
Some of the responses have acted like this is a completely crazy idea. I don't think there's anything wrong with keeping pitchers rested until later in the year. In all likelyhood, at least one member of the rotation will be injured or ineffective and knock us right back down to 5 people again in any case. Given how ridiculously deep out pitching is, I don't see any disagvantage.
Zito is a very durable pitcher, which is a ery fine quality. However, it is much better to get 3 fewer starts out of Zito and have a well rested Harden stay injury free. It is also not that big a difference when you compare 3 starts from Zito to 3 starts from Loiaza (who figures to be our worst starter). I see the A's coming out ahead in the regular season, not to mention the advantage they will hold in the post season with a well rested rotation.
by MrIncognito on Dec 6, 2005 3:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mr I; you have a lot of good points here.
- one of the fungible starters come in as a reliaver. (Saarloos)
- can't remember a season in which we've had one (A set rotation go through the year; I'm sure one doesn't exist)
- I don't think there's anything wrong with keeping pitchers rested until later in the year. (I agree)
- at least one member of the rotation will be injured or ineffective. (I agree)
- 3 fewer starts out of Zito and have a well rested Harden stay injury free. (I disagree. Once in a while you simply skip Harden's turn because he can't handle the same innings and starts Zito or Loaiza can. And now Loaiza joins Zito as the same type of pitcher).
- From observations only - I say that a pitcher using his body the way Harden does needs more rest. Haren, Zito & Loaiza can maintain similar schedules. Blanton will show us this year what schedule is best for him. Last year was his first out of the minors and a much easier workload. this year will show us what type he is.
I agree that pitchers be kept healthy and sharp with post season performance given priority.
4-day, 5-day, 6-day, you do what works for that particular pitcher and utilize the off days and spot starters to balance things out.
by Billy Ball 2005 on Dec 6, 2005 4:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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