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It's Official: Third Deck Closed for 2006

I don't blame the A's for doing this.  It's going to help limit supply and hopefully drive up demand.

At the same time, they can also test whether or not the new limited capacity stadium would actually work.  It's somewhat of a test run, if you will.

But as someone who sat in the third deck multiple times (including the walk-off bunt game), it's disappointing to see that option shut off.  I'm guilty of the walk-up, day-of ticket purchase as anyone.  But that's in part because of the fact that I live in Sacramento, so it wasn't always easy to plan when we could get to a game.  Now that supply is limited, I'm probably going to have to purchase some sort of  mini-plan and in that way, Wolff and company are already succeeding.

Remember, he needs to see if Oakland can support the team in the new stadium.  Since it will probably kill walk-ups you've got to think it's good for the team...but that doesn't necessarily mean it's best for the fans who've been season ticket holders in the third deck for years.

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I wonder how
Briansittingintheparkinglotlookingmad feels about this.
Nico

by Nico on Dec 21, 2005 3:32 PM PST reply actions  

doesn't this development mean that ...
... he's effectively merged with Iceplant?
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 21, 2005 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I don't know
how effectively, but yeah. Or, if Stomper is willing to give up his seat, the merger might involve bigelephant as well.
Nico

by Nico on Dec 21, 2005 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Brian is actually enjoying a margarita
right now (and listening to a splendid cd of monk with trane, '57), thank you very much.  

I got a ticket in 226 for the same price as mine would have cost in the third deck.  They let me go in and sit in my seat before I coughed up the dough.  It's ok... but I'm so used to the view from 317 it made me feel kind of off balance.  

It is going to be weird looking up and knowing the seats are vacant upstairs.  It really isn't going to feel "full" to me because of this, no matter what.  Also, I'm going to miss the regular crowd we had in our section. I'll definitely move back up there if they open it up again, and for now I'll keep my AN handle for nostalgia's sake.

 

by Brian in 317 on Dec 21, 2005 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm glad--
"Brian in 317" is an awesome user name. "Brian in 226," though, is just stupid.
Nico

by Nico on Dec 21, 2005 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks
I was afraid it wasn't awesome, but now I'm sure it is.

by Brian in 317 on Dec 21, 2005 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Not as awesome
as Eloise, matriarch of 317, though.

Removing great seats and directing peole to crappy seats sucks. 317 and its immediate environs had a fantastic view of the game. Bah :-(

by green star oakland on Dec 21, 2005 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

here she is
Eloise, Matriarch of 317, poster child of this "relocation":
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Sorry I don't have a jpeg of her in full A's regalia.  I was planning on doing a photo diary of our section last year and never got around to it.

by Brian in 317 on Dec 22, 2005 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

$2
so does this mean no more $2 wednesdays?!

by daygamesrthebest on Dec 22, 2005 2:55 AM PST up reply actions  

they will still have them
in the bleachers and the plaza level seats closest to the bleachers

by OaklandSi on Dec 22, 2005 7:36 AM PST up reply actions  

How many $2 seats will exist?
The A's have been quite stealthy about this, but with each passing year they've released fewer and fewer $2 seats.  I'm sure we've all seen would be Wednesday-on-the-cheapsters being dismayed when they learn all the two buck Chuck seats are long gone.  I'd imagine, with the total low rent capacity now slashed by 75% or more, that the $2 experience will exist for perhaps 1,000 people per Wednesday, and quite possibly fewer.  I actually don't begrudge the A's this, but it can smack of car dealer ads touting great deals, with fine print saying "one available at this price."
Costly Seat Downgrade

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 22, 2005 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, I'm looking forward
to seeing the tarp celebrating our rich history ... that should be pretty cool.

by devo on Dec 21, 2005 3:33 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not looking forward
to seeing how they make use of the "marketing opportunity."

by eebie on Dec 21, 2005 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, if it brings more cash to the
team and they're more willing to spend to keep players like Zito, I'd love it.

By the way, I added a new poll to see how people feel.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 21, 2005 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Ramon's walk-off bunt...
...brought to you by Bacardi 151.  A little goes a long way!
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Dec 21, 2005 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm assuming
that the tarp will lean quite a bit more towards 'marketing opportunities' than 'celebrating the rich history'.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 21, 2005 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe it's both
Celebrating our rich history of marketing. You know, Charlie Finely and the orange baseball, Stomper, bobblehead day... stuff like that
Joe Blanton is phat

by gojohn10 on Dec 21, 2005 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Should've been a quilt
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Dec 21, 2005 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Not that it matters
but Grandma Micah was quite the quilter, really.
"Hope is not the conviction that something will turn out well but the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out" - Vaclav Havel

by Czech Micah on Dec 22, 2005 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Jackson Livingston Seagull Pollack
Anyone ever notice the heavy splattering of 3rd deck seats with seagull shit?  As much as I hate this move (more below later to be sure), I do look forward to seeing the tarp ads festooned with the fruits of the top deck's most numerous and frequent visitors.
Beat the Angles (they're obtuse!)

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 21, 2005 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Seagulls in the 3rd deck
I'm not afraid to say I've been hit by a gull bombing raid up there - and my friend Tim the week before me.

by Knobby on Dec 21, 2005 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

A tarp?
Well, it's not like it'll be used to keep the field dry...
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by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Dec 21, 2005 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Why doesn't anyone...
advertise on those?! Seriously, it'd be a great marketing opportunity! The tarp preventing you from seeing the baseball game, presented by BudSelig!
Damn! Street is so imposing, he even causes the earth itself to freeze in fear! - monkeyball

by Jjjsixsix on Dec 21, 2005 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure if this is still the case...
...but the tarp in Atlanta was sponsored by Morton's Salt.  You know..."when it rains it pours".

by He Can Foos on Dec 22, 2005 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll bet that
killed the Braves' slugging percentage.
Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

This might be an interesting prelude to
the type of configuration of the new stadium.

Here in earthquake country, a huge mass suspended high in the air requires a lot more $$ per seat to build than something at "field level".  The higher you go, the more it costs, and you cannot charge "more for the advantage".  The "advantage" of being further from the field??? Nope.  Makes no sense to have "third decks".

I know the Athletics are giving the reason as "same day game costs" with concessions, cleaning, security, etc.  Those are true enough.

Hey, maybe they should have a "bring a dummy day."
Everyone drops off a "dummy" and the A's permanently place them in the upper deck seats, so it looks like "huge crowds" all the time!

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." Beane to Forst at GM winter meetings.

by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 21, 2005 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

For every game???
It suprises me that they are doing this against the Yankees.  I would think that they would have exceptions.  Like Yankees, BoSox, Giants.

by Bigtoe on Dec 21, 2005 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

agreed
i always sat in one of those three sections. once i got plaza level tix from a friend, and eventually we moved up to 317.

by mk on Dec 21, 2005 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Tickets for those games
will be "hot" commoditites due to scarcity, therefore driving up interest, etc.
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe

by EastCoastA on Dec 22, 2005 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

There's a part of this that hasn't been mentioned
If the A's change their listed capacity from 44,073 to 34,179, this means they can NEVER sell a seat in the third deck.  But why would a a team do this?  Well there's obviously several reasons that everyone has mentioned, but one ansilary reason is this:

MLB requires all teams to have a certain percentage of "house seats" and therefore the A's can't sell every seat in the house as a season seat.  The amount of seats that need to be held back are detemined by a percentage of the total capacity.  These seats are then used for Playoffs, World Series and All-Star games.  There's a certain percentage needed between the bases in the lower deck, then between the base and the foul pole in the lower deck, then the second deck between the bases, and so on.

By diminishing the capacity, the A's have effectively freed up as many as 1000 really good seats that can be used as new season seats, including many MVP seats between the bases.

I'm not saying the only reason the A's are doing this is to free up some great seats, but it is certainly one of the considerations and is probably THE defining criteria that is restricting them from opening the third deck for ANY game.

Hard work never hurt anyone, but I'm not taking any chances.

by Alameda Greg on Dec 21, 2005 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm excited for a full ballpark in 06
Players are going to benefit the most from the extra energy. I was shocked to read the player's complaints last year down the stretch.  I've always felt I had to be extra loud to make up for the empty seats around field level on a cold weekday night.  The drummers seem to be back last season in smaller numbers. Are any drummers ANers? And can we bring back the chants and names now that our roster seems to be set?

I think us fans have created the best atmosphere to see a game even though our stadium is a dump. The A's allowing fans to bring their drums and wave their flags, and the relaxed rock and roll vibe of the dugout/clubhouse is what made me a hardcore fan in the first place.  I felt the team and players really needed my support, like I mattered and was special.  I think that this excitement will continue with the capacity-filled game 81 times a year.

ProActiv Solution: It moisturizes my situation, perserves my sexy. ? -P. Diddy

by Dig the Long Ball on Dec 21, 2005 3:58 PM PST reply actions  

AN has the drumming market
cornered, with saint and DukeInLeftField--and maybe even BleacherDrummer (hard to guess).
Nico

by Nico on Dec 21, 2005 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I'm just a wannabe percussionist.
Hence my "Ode to Duke and Saint" in a previous diary, as penance.

But, here's to high hopes for a symphonic 2006 - drums, flags and ball retrieving contraptions in left, and a reemergence of instrument-wielding Green Stampeders out in right.

Angels fans beware: Don't make us bust out the Cymbal-Monkey and Drums Sticks if push comes to shove.

"I'm so green and gold that I hang on every pitch, not just every game." - Lew Wolff

by BleacherDrummer on Dec 22, 2005 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

SO...
DOES THIS MEAN $2 WEDNESDAYS ARE OFF!??
THAT WAS APART OF MY IRRESISTABLE CHEVYS DINNER + $2 WEDNESDAY UNDER $20 TOTAL DATE! GAH!
YABU: You're always eating cheese. ...Is cheese good for you? . FISCHER: IT'S BETTER THAN SUSHI!!!

by ConditionOakland on Dec 21, 2005 4:25 PM PST reply actions  

Nope.
Read the rest of the release -- Double Play Wednesdays will continue, they'll just utilize the Plaza Outfield/Plaza Level Bleachers instead of the View Level.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 21, 2005 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

sweet.
thanks.

I hope this turns out good.
It sounds like a solid plan, even if it kind of sucks.

deep down, its good.

YABU: You're always eating cheese. ...Is cheese good for you? . FISCHER: IT'S BETTER THAN SUSHI!!!

by ConditionOakland on Dec 21, 2005 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

plaza level
interesting that they've added a third pricing tier to the Plaza level (so it's now infield $30, medium $20, outfield $14). I think that's good market segmentation. Plaza infield, which I usually buy, was $26 last yar so they'll probably get a few extra bucks out of me.
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/oak/ballpark/seating_chart.jsp

by vk on Dec 21, 2005 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

Glad they are experimenting
Have to do something to change the way fans view A's tickets. I had season tickets previously but canceled because it was easier to just get day of game tickets when I wanted them and rarely could I not get great seats.

When people start not being able to go to the games they want the only solution will be SEASON Ticket packages.

I wish them luck with this.

Why don't they just lick their fingers?

by novaoakland on Dec 21, 2005 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

Hmm.
Guess I'll be going to a lot more A's/Devil Rays games this season. No chance of planning ahead with my work schedule.

At least I should still have room to kick my feet up on the seat in front of me in the bleachers for those games. :-)

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 21, 2005 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

Consider yourselves lucky...
My only chance to see the A's is at Ameriquest Field and they are still using my hard earned dollars to pay for the A-Rod fiasco.  Lay out $50-$65 a head and you might be able to land a decent seat.  They call their reserved bleacher seats "lower reserved" and put a $23 price tag on them. That is after you pay $13 to park your car with no tailgating allowed.    
It may be cheaper to fly home to McAfee (or whatever they are calling it this year).
The Last Lieutenant remaining in the "Armas Army"

by str8tarrow on Dec 21, 2005 4:55 PM PST reply actions  

no tailgating?!?
As in, no open containers of alky in the lot, or no consumption of comestibles at all in the lot?
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 21, 2005 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you guys see this article?
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/sports/13452285.htm

"Deal for Raiders not good news for A's

By Guy AshleyCONTRA COSTA TIMES

OAKLAND - In patching things up with the Oakland Raiders, East Bay officials might be opening the door to the departure of the Oakland A's.

That prospect was raised Tuesday when the Alameda County Board of Supervisors approved a plan to revamp the county's financial relationship with the Raiders. The deal includes abolishing the widely despised "personal seat licenses" required of the football team's season-ticket holders.

The deal was approved on a 4-1 board vote and finalized Tuesday night, when six members of the Oakland City Council voted in its favor, with two council members abstaining.

A lengthy debate by the county supervisors revealed that the Oakland A's, the Raiders' fellow tenant at McAfee Coliseum, were less than thrilled by the new arrangement, in which the A's will be asked to share more revenue from advertisements inside the stadium with the Raiders.

A's officials confirmed they asked for a three-year lease extension at the Coliseum in exchange for the new advertising setup and were denied. Although A's officials said they're still committed to Oakland, Supervisor Keith Carson said he is concerned the new Raiders deal will prompt the A's to leave Oakland.

"We have yet to show the A's the same kind of love we have shown the Raiders," said Carson, the board's lone dissenting vote. "If you feel you're not getting the respect and love you deserve, as a businessperson you look for where you can get that respect and love."

Not a good sign if the A's are to stay in Oakland...

But if your life is such a big joke, then why should I care?

by johnspaz7 on Dec 21, 2005 5:53 PM PST reply actions  

oops
I see someone posted a diary about this article.  sorry.
But if your life is such a big joke, then why should I care?

by johnspaz7 on Dec 21, 2005 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I kinda like it!
Here is Mychael Urban's new article about this whole thing, along with a picture of what it might look like. When I look at it this way, I really kinda like it!

"Happy Holiday's Billy Beane!" - Mychael Urban

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Dec 21, 2005 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

Don't know...
Maybe if it also had "World Champions 1972, 1973, 1974, 1989" on it...
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by FormerHuntsvilleStar on Dec 21, 2005 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't really see it in this picture
but there is also the retired numbers on the side of the Mt. Davis Tarps. They will probably have the WC years on there too!
"Happy Holiday's Billy Beane!" - Mychael Urban

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Dec 21, 2005 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

The outfield wall/backstop at Dodger Stadium
Has a nice mixture of photos of past players done in a classy way.  If the A's did something like that with the tarp it'd be awesome

by Rob @ Athletics Nation on Dec 21, 2005 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Except for blimp pilots...
...who do you folks imagine will see these tarp images?  Surely not the plaza and field level folk, who can't see the top deck now.  The tarps'll be on the upper deck, angled upwards with the contour of the seats.  Perhaps the bleacher folks can squint out the off-angled face of Eck, dripping with seagull crap.
Costly Seat Downgrade

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 21, 2005 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Trust me
it won't look anything like this. The press release  specifically mentions "marketing oppotunities". The tarp will be a giant (seagull-shit-stained) billboard.

by green star oakland on Dec 22, 2005 1:03 AM PST up reply actions  

This worries me somewhat ...
... because I always liked being able go at the spur of the moment ... ask for the best seat in the house, and play it as it lays ... now, to drive a distance, especially for a big game, puts the impulse at a risk ... walkups are not a bad thing ... but if shutting down the top deck makes the park seem packed and puts the fans closer, makes them louder, what the heck ... just so long as we win.
Darn it, Bill, you just made Toledo even holier.

by Edwinwinwin on Dec 21, 2005 6:20 PM PST reply actions  

Bobbleheads
Ok, so there will be 4 bobblehead games according to the A's site and the above linked article....so who do you guess they make the bobbleheads of?  Here are mine:

Huston Street
Rickey Henderson
Dan Haren
Joe Blanton or Milton Bradley

Whatever Jose Canseco says must be true

by WiscoFan on Dec 21, 2005 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

I think
It is going to be the four Rookies;

Huston, Swish, DJ, and Blanton.

"Happy Holiday's Billy Beane!" - Mychael Urban

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Dec 21, 2005 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

It's always three plus a surprise
definitely Huston, with his ROY bobbler ... hopefully the surprise is Rickey ...

big acquisitions like Kendall and Dye have had a tendency to get bobblers ... enter Bradley ...

as for #4 ... I'll go with Swish.

by devo on Dec 21, 2005 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

big acquisitions
what about loaiza.  

i'm hoping for street, blanton, rickey, haren

but i think it will be street, loaiza, bradley, blanton/haren.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 22, 2005 2:09 AM PST up reply actions  

They may want to wait on Rickey
until they retire his number, which'll probably be when he gets into the HOF.
"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 21, 2005 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

If he'd retired when he should have
Rickey would already been in the HOF
The Last Lieutenant remaining in the "Armas Army"

by str8tarrow on Dec 22, 2005 6:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Bill King.
When he's inducted into the HOF.

by DMtShooter on Dec 22, 2005 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

hopefully,
that's this year. When he gets the Frick award posthumourously. (sp, someone correct that for me?)
Damn! Street is so imposing, he even causes the earth itself to freeze in fear! - monkeyball

by Jjjsixsix on Dec 22, 2005 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

"posthumourously" must describe
something that happens after one's sense of humor passes away.

You meant posthumously. ;)

"A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings." -Earl Wilson

by whiteshoes40 on Dec 22, 2005 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Good call
That crossed my mind but I think they are overdue for a past A's player/great such as Rickey.  Would be neat if they do the four 2005 rookies.
Whatever Jose Canseco says must be true

by WiscoFan on Dec 21, 2005 6:38 PM PST reply actions  

For the fan,
There is nothing good about this development.

The taxpayers built the damn park, the taxpayers should be able to use it.

If this is the kind of scuzzy tactics we are to expect from Wolff, the sooner he leaves the Bay Area the better.

Let me just say I would have no problem with the A's closing the third deck for low drawing series but for series with a lot of interest this decision is ridiculous.

C'mon Billy, make it Hurt so good.

by As Man on Dec 21, 2005 6:40 PM PST reply actions  

Marty keeps mentioning Blez' being ill
Blez' stand-in tonight (that's what Marty said) is Eric Hoffman, and they're talking about AN, especially the Bill King Tshirts

by OaklandSi on Dec 21, 2005 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

Who demanded this supply of hogwash?
<turn apoplectic purple-red hue>This is the most outrageous thing that's happened with the A's since Charlie-O sold their best players for 30 pieces of silver!</turn apoplectic purple-red hue>

OK....breathe...find my happy place....GODDAMNIT, MY HAPPY PLACE IS IN SECTION 318!  OK, maintain...find happy place number two...banks of the Eel River in Mendocino...ahhhhhhhh........

Now that I've regained composure, here goes:  this deck closure is a terrible move for the franchise, the fans, and the chances of the team staying in Oakland, and there are a buncha reasons why.  I'm going to group them into four areas.

The Revenue Argument

The most common reason from fans in favor of the closure seems to be "anything that brings the team more revenue to compete for a title/re-sign stars/stay in town is OK by me."  (But perhaps the A's take PayPal).  It baffles me, though, why everyone seems to just assume that the move on its face will bring the A's lotsa bucks...the A's haven't said that.  There are reasons to think attendance will actually drop (more below).  Last month Devo and I traded some WAGs and seemed to loosely agree that while the deck closure isn't likely to lose the A's a bunch of bucks, nor is it likely to gain them a whole lot either.  Which makes sense...the A's will lose up to 10,000 tickets sold for each of the "premium" games (Yanks, BoSox, fireworks), while they'll save on the upkeep costs of the deck, plus they'll add some revenue from pre-bought tickets which don't get used.  It's interesting that many pro-closure folks were certain that the deck would be open for these premium games.  Apparently not.

And then there's the elusive (illusive?) scarcity quotient...the theory goes that making tickets less available will prompt more fans to buy them in advance, and actually increase the total ticket revenue.  Proponents point to Some Phone Co. Park in SF, and Minuteman...oops, Minute Maid...in Houston, where smaller stadia in higher demand led to more tickets sold.  But these were new parks, literally the next new thing, a modern smorgasbord of Krispy Kremes and wireless access.  It's not hard to imagine why they were in high demand.  The scarcity argument assumes there is an untapped fan base which will start buying seats under the new order.  But when the new order is the same old crummy Coliseum, where half the seats point away from the plate and Brezhnevian architecture rules the day...someone please tell me who these Barnum-fodder are, who will start attending games at the same old deficient place because they're harder to get into, because I've got some multi-level marketing ideas I'm dying to lay on them.  This way to the egress!

And the horrible burden of serving the walk-up customers?  Please...after all these years the A's can surely make reasonable estimates of the staffing needed to handle the walk-ups for a given game.  And c'mon, these ticket sellers just don't cost much.  Ditto the top deck security and concession staff.  Not having to pay those folks amounts to a trivial savings in revenue terms...less than a mediocre LOOGY, I'd say.

The Attendance Argument

I want a full park, believe me.  I was there on Monday 9/19, the opener of the last A's homestand versus Minnie, in the thick of the race, with perhaps 12,000 others.  It was grim.  We need more butts in the seats, but to offer 2006 attendance as a referendum on Oakland support for the team (as Wolff did two weeks ago) while decreasing the number of seats available and making the average cost of the rest higher is either blind, perverse, or in support of a different agenda.  I am willing to believe that the scarcity phenomenon will lead to some more advance sales...1,000 per game seems wildly optimistic, but some...but it seems clear to me that a decline in cheap seats available going to really be felt when KC is in town on a cold Tuesday night.  I'm quite sure we'll see some 7-8,000 fan nights this year, as folks who would've made the last minute decision to dash down and buy a 3rd deck seat decide to stay home instead.  Ain't no one planning ahead to buy that cold Tuesday night advance KC ticket because they're afraid they'll be shutout.  No way.  Subtract the up to 10,000 fewer for each premium game, and the A's will be hard pressed to match last year's total attendance even if they make more revenue at the bottom line.  And yes, I understand that the cheapest seats are still $10 face cost, just like last year.  But there are far fewer of them.  And there's another shoe left to drop for us cheapskates...what of the AAA/Chevron $4 per ticket discount?  If that goes away or is further restricted, in combination with the certainty that there will be many fewer $2 Wednesday tix made available, the cheapskates are just going to stay home on those last minute nights.

And when Lew stands up next November and decries the attendance of the A's, a solidly contending and (hopefully) playoff team, he's not going to quote revenue numbers...he's going to talk about total turnstile figures, and no one will mention that he himself reduced the top end number of turnstile spins per game.  Which takes me to...

Relocation

Everyone likes to pile on the conspiracy theorist, so I'll be brief:  start with San Jose flirtations, add a proposal for a swap meet ballpark which was set up for failure, mix in Oakland officials who cave when they should hold out and play hardball when they should cave, and you've got the makings of a tasty relocation cake.  Ice it with declining attendance, and it's pretty damn irresistible.  And remember:  the A's in Oakland are a bottom tier franchise in resale terms, but the portable A's, with MLB blessing to move and well heeled suitors, are worth a whole lot more.  Just ask the Expos cum Nationals.

Oh, and I don't imagine that timing this news release for a late December afternoon right before Christmas was a coincidence.

Disgruntled Fans

I know a lot of you think this move is a good one, so obviously, you're not going to be unhappy.  But a key tenet of marketing is to hold onto your base.  No matter how happy some might be about the new state of topdecklessness, it's not likely to make you a more enthusiastic fan in cash outlay terms.  But us disgruntled types...we're feeling burned, and even if we try to maintain our enthusiasm, its going to be hard, especially when it comes to extras, like tee shirts and family nights and buying tix for friends who'd otherwise never go to a game.  And it's not just us top deckers...watch what happens to the lower level concession stand lines, especially at the high traffic games, when there's no top deck stands to provide relief.  Those concourses, already tough through poor design, are going to be nigh on impassable.  And I'm going to say it again:  the new cheapest seats offer views that are way, way worse than the better top deck seats.  Crowley said in the press release that "we have created other seating options at the ballpark that we feel offer a better view at an affordable price." That is crap.  The A's are asking their lower budget customers to pay more money for worse seats.  Pure and simple.

I love the A's and will still go to as many games as I can afford.  But that's going to be fewer than last year, a little for me and a lot for my kids.  And I understand that putting the A's in a new park will cost more, and I'm willing to shoulder my share of that burden.  But this move doesn't offer any promise of a new park...if anything, it makes them more likely to leave town.  If the A's need revenue to prove franchise viability in Oakland then they should ask us loyalists to invest in a $5 per ticket surcharge which would be placed in an Oakland ballpark investment fund, to be re-credited down the line on future season tickets.  There are other options.  But hurting the lowest rung of fans simply to increase cashflow to Wolffisher, who are already running a profitable operation with substantially growing revenue?  Closing the top deck might be a good business move for them, but not because they expect to sell more tickets...at least not in 2006, and not in Oakland.

Beat the Angles (they're obtuse!)

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 21, 2005 7:35 PM PST reply actions  

Great Post!
This move sucks for the fans.  no question about it.   The scalpers also like it.

by Bearcat on Dec 21, 2005 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice writeup
You're absolutely right about the outfield plaza level seats: compared to the view level sects 315-319, they are crap. I guess Crowley wouldn't see that as "lowering the over-all quality of the product", but I'm sure you would agree with me that it does exactly that.

I hope you don't feel I sold out, FSU; but I just decided to take what they offered. You bet I think this was a bush league (for lack of a better description) move, and it still pisses me off they kicked me out of a seat I've had for years, but one/two: I want to go to ballgames, and I want the A's to stay in Oakland.  

I'll get over this and I hope you will too. I just hope this isn't a prelude to an exit from Oakland. I don't have a lot of hope that this will change things for the A's in terms of higher profits or attendance, but I'm willing to wait and see what happens.

By the way, we've still not gotten an answer to the letter we wrote (and to which I added your name).  At least Lewis hadn't as of last Wednesday when I bought my tix.

by Brian in 317 on Dec 21, 2005 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you did get the reply
They just didn't send it personally - it's in the press release.

Hey, I'm just going to enjoy my Oakland A's while they're still in Oakland.

by OaklandSi on Dec 21, 2005 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Beware the days
before Christmas. Last year, we lose Hudson and Mulder. This year, we lose an entire deck of seating. What's the natural progression we should brace for in December, 2006...Harden and half the light standards?
Nico

by Nico on Dec 21, 2005 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, I'm a big Brian 317 fan
I have no complaints with anyone who buys A's tickets, season or otherwise...the more the merrier...and that goes double for you.  If I were in your shoes I'd have made the same move.  But as you clearly demonstrate, going along by necessity of our passion for the A's is a far cry from agreeing with this two bit move.
Costly Seat Downgrade

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 21, 2005 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

At least this solves the Teenage Fan Problem
Yeah, those damn teenage A's fans... buying the cheap tickets... ruining the family atmosphere... skimping on the concessions... growing up into free-spending lifelong A's fans with kids of their own and fat stacks of season tickets (wait, ignore that last one)...

Face it, folks, your worst nightmare conspiracy theory about this scheme is probably an insipid candyland fantasy next to the reality of MLB's insatiable hunger for taxpayer dollars- this is all about a shakedown for public funds from some (non-Oakland) city.

"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 21, 2005 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic
I guess I could be labeled a teenage fan (I'm 20), and I think that we are a big part of the A's fan base. For a long time, the A's have marketed themselves as a cool, young, hip team, especially opposed to the Giants, who are old and boring. Many of my friends have switched to becoming A's fans, and a lot of the reason they did, was becuase of the cheap seats, and subsequently the amount of games they could go to. The last three summers or so, I have been able to go to around 15 games a year, with all of those games being walk up games. To me this is pretty devastating, and will significantly reduce the amount of games I can go to. Besides the fact that by principal I don't like paying too much to go to games, I also simply don't have that much money to afford to throw down 20 dollars for a game. This is kind of a rant, and I don't really know where I am going with this, but I guess I just want to say that I think this sucks. The teenage fan base is in my opinion a important part of the fan base in general, and that is going to be drastically hurt.

by maxnelson on Dec 22, 2005 1:13 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed.
I got some sarcasm in it, but still, the A's are definitely "the cool team to like" amongst younger generations, and IMO a lot of this is due to the fact that they are accessible to younger, slimmer wallets.

The giants are seen as yuppy, white-collar wine drinkers, as opposed to the blue-collar, low payroll a's with $2 Wednesdays (formerly Wassup! Tuesdays if anyone remembers those) and $1 Taco/Tequila Fridays.

I love being able to go to as many A's games as I can in a summer and the reason I can do this is cuz of the cheap seats.  Even if I snuck down to wherever I wanted to sit, I can't always afford to pay the price for those tickets.  What this means is that I'll just have to pick the games ahead of time that I want to go to, and save up some cash.  Sad to say, this means many more games will be watched on TV.

This guy puts it in perspective for how lucky we are to have cheap seats, and if we're not careful, we might just turn into the Red Sox.

"Keep an open mind." --Milton Bradley, 12/15/05

by rungood on Dec 22, 2005 6:41 AM PST up reply actions  

You know, there are worse things in life..
then being the Red Sox.

Tons of money, winning playoff series [;)], having your stars leave by choice, rather than necessity etc, etc. Dashingly handsome fans..

I'm as guilty of the $2 boogie (buy an upper deck seat, sit in the lower reserved), but hey, the fundamental problem with it is my butt literally costs the A's money. I bring in my food and drink and between using the bathroom and my trash, that probably costs more than $2 in maintenance.

The A's were smart to market $2 Wednesdays as a loss leader in order to attract fans to A's baseball after years in the doldrums, but too many times you've seen a pair of 22,000 crowds sandwiched by 45,000 crowds on a Wednesday - IMHO, a lot of people basically only go to games on Wednesdays. It's bad PR to dump the thing entirely, but it's a good business move to restrict $2 Wednesdays to less attractive opponents and sparingly.

I am a bitter Red Sox fan.

by FlynnSox on Dec 22, 2005 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

a few things, flynnsox.
  1. Choice v. Necessity??  Just tell me how it feel to lose Johnny Damon to the Yankees, whatever the reason.  I'd much rather have my A's leave by necessity than have them choose to go my arch-rival.  It says a lot about the types of players you do have.  I'd say that A's fans can empathize, but clearly, we can't because you've already made that distinction.
  2. How many titles have the Boston Red Sox won since 1918? 1.  How many have the Oakland Athletics won since 1918? 4. (6 if you count the Philly A's) So thanks.  What's a 'bitter Red Sox fan' doing around here anyways? ;)
  3. You're wrong on 2 counts about the sneaking down thing:
   a) it doesn't cost the A's anything if I sneak down into better seats.  The seat is going to be empty anyways!  It's not like my sitting there is precluding the A's from selling that ticket.  And if someone buys it and asks me to move, I move.  I could just as easily watch the game from the 300s (well, not anymore), so there's no loss on the A's part.  And as it is, I often buy beer and hot dogs on non-$2 days, which more than makes up for my sneaking down.
   b) "I bring in my food and drink and between using the bathroom and my trash, that probably costs more than $2 in maintenance."
   Do the math.  2000x$2 tickets = $4000.  Do you think 2000 people create an excess of $4000 in garbage per wednesday?  Sure, when you break it down on an individual scale, it might cost more than $2 to hire someone to pick up just your trash (minimum wage and all), but when you consider the fact that it takes just four $2 seats being sold to finance an hour of payment for a clean-up employee, they can afford it.  After all, they'd have to clean up after me wherever I sit, so I say let the sneaking down continue!

     4. "years in the doldrums"?? Ha. that's all I have to say to that. 1918, buddy, 1918.

"Keep an open mind." --Milton Bradley, 12/15/05

by rungood on Dec 22, 2005 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, they were doldrums
And those years in the doldrums were obviously the reason why $2 seats were instituted. Christ, the A's avg game attendance was falling down to Warriors level for some of those years. With all the hoopla across the bay about Barry and the new ballpark, ya think maybe the A's thought they needed to pull the fans back (right when they were putting together the makings of a fine team) with an intiative? That's why $2 Wednesdays popped up.

"it doesn't cost the A's anything if I sneak down into better seats. "

Yeah it does. It costs them the difference between a $2 seat and a $20 seat. Sure, not everybody who buys $2 seats will go if they have to pay $20. But enough will that they'll make more money, which should be the aim of the team.

" 4. "years in the doldrums"?? Ha. that's all I have to say to that. 1918, buddy, 1918."

I have no reply for this other than a contented smile. If that's the best you got, bring it on..

" I'd much rather have my A's leave by necessity than have them choose to go my arch-rival. "

I don't know. You guys have no love lost for the Yanks and Sox, and Giambi, Damon and Foulke didn't mind taking the dirty dollars.

I am a bitter Red Sox fan.

by FlynnSox on Dec 22, 2005 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Everything you say is probably true...
the good news (to me):  I'll have to start posting my now much more scarce and good season tickets on StubHub for those Yanks, BoSox and Giants' games.

the bad news (to me):  I didn't like the crowds at the concession stands on the lower decks before... I'm gonna hate them now.  Which will mean I'll spend less and just try to smuggle in the booze.

the worst news (to me):  Where will the smoking section be?  Oh well, I have to quit anyway, I have a newborn.

by FoolshGame22 on Dec 21, 2005 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah to booze-smuggling
lets hear some of the tricks of the trade.

Personally I go for Sierra Nevada Pale Ale decanted into a gallon apple juice container, always remembering to release the pressure and drain off the head (inevitably built up on the BART ride) before passing security.

by green star oakland on Dec 21, 2005 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

back in the day...
It was always a good idea to have a pretty girl bring tailgate food to the ticket-takers before the game.  Then, they just waved you through with your beer-laden woolen blanket in mid-August.  Haven't tried that since the 80's, though.  Prolly wouldn't work in the post 9-11 age.

by FoolshGame22 on Dec 21, 2005 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

a flask
tucked right under your belt.  The lower you can get it to ride, the better.  

Also, Bicardi limon goes great with one of the fresh squeezed lemonades.

RFB

by Tim J on Dec 22, 2005 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I respectfully suggest that Brian and FSU
go to the last Raiders game this year and have a bunch of punk kids (who as Alphid pointed out had a significant role in the closure) bury you in 317. On Opening Night you can then rise from your graves, bust through tarp and have a dramatic procession down to the Plaza Level Invasion of the Body Snatchers style.

by southofcruiseamerica on Dec 22, 2005 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually, I think the kids are good for the A's
I was being sarcastic- the third deck closure is a slap in the face to the kids who represent the future of the A's fan base, and I have yet to have a single unpleasant interaction with teenage fans in all these years of sitting in 317-318 (drunken 45-year-olds are another story... but they're mostly concentrated in the lower decks, where access to beer is more convenient and it's easier to slosh their lite-beer-ballooned guts back to the Expedition after the game).

Has anyone noticed the percentage of the crowd that's under 18 at a typical weeknight game? If not for the kids, most of those Tuesday evening games against the Royals and Devil Rays would have 3,000 fans instead of 11,000.

So that's what really burns my ass about this whole slimy move- by flashing a big middle finger in the faces of the teenage fans, the ownership might as well have a gigantic "There Is No Future Anywhere Near Oakland!" sign painted on the tarp covering the seats.

"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 22, 2005 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Kids are obviously the future of anything...
but for the most part baseball is ingrained in them at a younger age.  When you are in your teens you are just looking for something to do with your friends and partying more than appreciating Mark Ellis' footwork on a double play.  For every Ogilvie keeping score there are a dozen Kelly Leaks.

From what I understand there was a certain element up there that caused quite a few problems, especially on Wednesdays.  As a regular I will take your word for it but that doesn't mean while you are sitting in 317 there isn't trouble going on in the concourse behind 301.  All it takes is a couple of bad apples, just like we have seen here on AN with the CGV.  However, Blez doesn't have a vast open section of this site that he can just close down...

by southofcruiseamerica on Dec 22, 2005 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

What "certain element" do you mean?
I've been going to 30-40 games/year for quite a few seasons now, and just about the only real Bad Fan Behavior I've ever seen in the third deck was perpetrated by members of one of two groups:
  1. 40-year-old suburban drunks with alky-fueled testosterone issues and an aggrieved (no, not Ben Grieved) sense of specialness.
  2. College-age Red Sox and (last couple years) Angels fans who have a few too many beers and start trying to start shit with A's fans (who, in almost all cases, ignore them).
Sure, the high-school-age kids are loud, puerile, and clump together in packs, but that's their freakin' role in society! When 15-year-olds start behaving like sedate mid-level office managers at a Paul McCartney concert we might as well all set ourselves on fire, because the end of the world is near. My "fan experience" has never been diminished one bit by the $2 Wednesday Kids.
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 22, 2005 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

The element that you perfectly described...
fists don't have to be flying for there to be trouble.  I do recall a cherry bomb incident that burned some kid's leg and a cop almost having his finger bitten off.  Other specific incidents would require a review of the Coliseum security reports.  Alphid, I referenced you because you were one of the few to mention this as a reason behind the closure and from what I have heard that was certainly part of the case.  Sure, roaming packs of kids causing trouble are everywhere in our society, but that doesn't mean the A's are obligated to provide them with a venue to do so. There are also liability issues.  

I highly doubt that this was a knee jerk decision by Wolff & Co. - a lot of thought went into and the PR ramifications must have been weighed.  They made their choice and this is part of the new ownership group coming in and adjusting the M.O. instead of just sitting on their hands and bitching about things.  If it ends up backfiring those tarps can certainly be removed in '07.

by southofcruiseamerica on Dec 22, 2005 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I was at both those games
As I recall, the cherry bomb (actually an M-80) was thrown down one of the passageways from the 3rd-deck concourse- I didn't see the perp so I don't know his/her age, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a group of high-school kids. I was in the same section as the finger-biting incident (second deck, below the East Side Club if memory is correct), and the fighters involved (including the bozo who bit the cop) were at least 25.

Anyway, these undesirable "roaming packs of kids" you described don't seem to cause problems at the many, many games I watch from the third deck. The kids I see aren't groups of PCP-addled thugs terrorizing the stands, they're relatively well-behaved teenagers doing normal teenage stuff (i.e., looking for their friends, flirting with each other, making more noise than adults, eating stunning quantities of high-fructose/grease food, etc). Hey, I'm a regular Travis Bickle when it comes to bitter tirades about the Collapse Of Civilization, but I ain't seeing it among the teenagers in the Coliseum's third deck.

In my opinion, the only legitimate claim that the third deck provided a bad "fan experience" was that many of the concession stands were closed during sparsely-attended games, forcing fans to take an extra 30 seconds to go downstairs for food/drink. That's it. If anyone out there has tales of being harassed or threatened by the third-deck kids, let's hear about it, because I sure as hell wasn't at those games.

"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 22, 2005 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Oops, I meant West Side Club
Not East Side... that would be the bleachers
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 22, 2005 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I see your POV
and got a good chuckle out of the term 'perp'.  Seasons Greetings.

by southofcruiseamerica on Dec 22, 2005 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

And the REAL problem behavior...
...seems to happen in the second deck, where the fans have the easiest access to beer sales. The handful of fights I've seen at A's games all happened in crowded sections of the second deck.
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 22, 2005 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Excellently put
I wish we could get some sort of response to these points from the A's brass.

by Lath on Dec 22, 2005 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

love the sig, FSU
"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me," Beane told Forst.

by Poppy on Dec 23, 2005 1:24 AM PST up reply actions  

gah
and that's what happens when I post at 1:30 in the morning... hit <post> after typing the subject but before typing the actual comment I'd also intended...  :\

Comment: That was a great post, should be a diary on its own (if it hasn't already been). I voted "ambivalent" in the poll because I'm trying to see everybody's side, so that's actually kind of like being blindfolded by gauze (or a "marketing" tarp) and seeing nothing clearly at all.

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me," Beane told Forst.

by Poppy on Dec 23, 2005 1:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Though we can't blame them . . .
for closing off the stadium, we CAN (and should) blame them for an inexcusable grammar error (check out the last sentence of the 2nd paragraph in the Press Release).  I don't know what affect the Wolff regime has had elsewhere, but this kind of mistake effects my serenity, making my ability to effect others with wholesome effect very suspect.  And that's all I'm gonna say about this.

by camperdog on Dec 21, 2005 7:48 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think this is the first one, either.
Damn! Street is so imposing, he even causes the earth itself to freeze in fear! - monkeyball

by Jjjsixsix on Dec 21, 2005 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Pacific Northwest
I am 45 and I grew up in the Bay Area.  It was a wonderful time as I watched the Raiders and A'S win world championships.   I remember Big Ben Davidson visiting my elemetry school (Mission San Jose) as an awesome event.  And I remember Joe Rudy making ungainly catches against the wall in left field.

I have since joined and retired from the Navy.  My family and I have lived up and down the west coast.  We settled down near Seattle and we have kept our loyalty to the A's.   Both my son and daughter (20 & 16) follow the A's and we never miss a game when they are at Safeco.

The Bay Area needs to wake up!  I love the Raiders but they left us once and Al will do it again.  When they left for LA they were DTM (dead to me),  The A's have won four world championships in Oakland and they are still treated like a MLS franchise by Oakland and the county.

Bring the A's to Portland.   Paul Allen has the Trail Blazers and the Seahawks.  Give him the A's and he will win his first world championship.

I can't wait.   Go Portland A's!!!

BTW Raiders     KMA!!!!!

by Puget Sound Athletic on Dec 21, 2005 7:50 PM PST reply actions  

Get buggered.
Have a merry christmas.

FlynnSox

I am a bitter Red Sox fan.

by FlynnSox on Dec 21, 2005 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I am paranoid..
about the A's leaving Oakland, but I really don't like this..coupled with the non-extension of the lease to 2010..and the interest in San Jose MLS...
makes me nervous.
Although it will be great to feel like the stadium is fuller..that means more crowded lines, bathrooms, etc.
Guess we'll have to see how it all works out..and be there as often as we can!
Keep the A's in Oakland!
"sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic..." SALB918

by LongTimeFan on Dec 21, 2005 9:14 PM PST reply actions  

Don't worry about the crowded bathrooms
It's all part of the new "fan-friendly experience" for 2006.
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 21, 2005 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that a new tagline for this comment?
Its way too perfect in a Hitchcockian, subtle way.
Yo La Tengo! -Richie Ashburn

by Dig the Long Ball on Dec 21, 2005 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

the only fan friendly I really want..
is games in late October. Now, THAT's fan friendly!
"sometimes I can't tell the difference between baseball and magic..." SALB918

by LongTimeFan on Dec 21, 2005 9:39 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe this is a good time
for us to announce that at AN, starting in January we have decided to close the last 4 of the "20 most recent diaries" and to scrunch all the blogging into Tuesday-Saturday.

It's just part of our attempt to make AN more "fan friendly".

Nico

by Nico on Dec 21, 2005 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

Good move!
And when the traffic volume declines you can blame those sorry old servers, and allude to offers from the Lansing Lugnuts for prime consideration if you become their blog.  Of course, then you'd be "Lugnut Nation," which could be a deal breaker.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 21, 2005 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Tarp
at the Coliseum isn't exactly a new concept. If my memory serves me correctly, during the 'Bash Brothers' years before Al Davis came back to Oakland, there was tarp in portions of the bleachers. What was the seating capacity of the old configuration?
"baseball bin veddy veddy good to me"

by jav on Dec 21, 2005 10:03 PM PST reply actions  

Don't recall
I was just a polywog in those days. Just buy me a churro and I was good. Home runs were abundant in that section which caused fans to run down the stairs chasing after baseballs.
"baseball bin veddy veddy good to me"

by jav on Dec 21, 2005 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I was around then
As far as I know, it was very much a hitter's background, that's it.
I am a bitter Red Sox fan.

by FlynnSox on Dec 21, 2005 10:27 PM PST reply actions  

schedule announced
our last two weeks are white sox then indians then angels then at seattle then at angels

17 days in a row with no day off with some teams that were decent in 05 (that is 17 unless you count seattle as days off)

Baseball is like life. It's a day-to-day existence, full of ups and downs. You make the most of your opportunities in baseball as you do in life. - E Harwell

by peoples27 on Dec 21, 2005 10:42 PM PST reply actions  

Those'll be some AWESOME baseball, though.
Damn. Some series worth seeing, though that definitely looks rough. I hadn't even noticed the lack of a day off. Man.

...Let's hope MLB has done all its random drug screenings by then, given the amphetamines crackdown...

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 22, 2005 1:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Squeezing us tighter...
together seems...okay at first, then not so okay when I remember looking around for nice looking single woman at A's games. On the other hand, maybe I've been missing out on a few opps I just didn't..er..see. Maybe tighter IS better, or maybe just dumber and drunker, probably depends on the day, and whether Bobby Crosby has all the girls attention during warmups.

by baseballbill on Dec 21, 2005 10:54 PM PST reply actions  

The summer, uh, scenery..
at the Coliseum is truly a sight to behold.

It's a lot more fun than the sausagefest that is Pac Bell. :)))))

I am a bitter Red Sox fan.

by FlynnSox on Dec 21, 2005 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

great idea! he has to figure out if the
A's are viable in Oakland.  I think '06, with the team I expect on the field, will show our loyalty--and if not, we don't deserve this wonderful team.  but how I hope we show it--it would crush me to lose the A's.

by alamedaman on Dec 21, 2005 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

Shameless (yet tuneful) self-promotion
On last month's early alert of this pending skinflintery I penned Desolation Row 12, Section 318, which you top deck and/or Bob Dylan fans might enjoy.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 21, 2005 11:50 PM PST reply actions  

so if the VIEW is so terrible
from the upper deck, why did they start calling it the VIEW LEVEL ??

by kotsbots on Dec 21, 2005 11:57 PM PST reply actions  

As a teenager on a limited budget
This is pretty dissapointing.

Also, given that I work a part time job without any real set schedule, the inability to get walk up tickets means FSN will get a lot more of my ratings next season.

If it leads to a new stadium at all, I suppose I'm for it. It's selfish to be dissapointed, really, but I am, nonetheless.

by walk off bunt on Dec 22, 2005 1:13 AM PST reply actions  

Now, I went to a day game last year
on the spur of the moment, and I got a box seat labeled $27 for $10, only because I didn't have exact change to get it for $8.

The three teenagers who sat next to me?  Plopped down at first pitch, and their cost?

$0, zero, nada.  Tickets were given away.  Seventeen rows from the dugout on the visitor (1b side).

That won't change.  Walkup for scalping will rise $2 or so, but not much,.

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." Beane to Forst at GM winter meetings.

by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 22, 2005 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

slusser on the move
generally positive. she says they can get to 2 million, but if they sold over 34,179 19 times in '05 and the average overage was in the 8-10K range, it's going to be tough to get much over that mark.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/12/22/SPGTTGBSU31.DTL&type=a s

by vk on Dec 22, 2005 7:36 AM PST reply actions  

Simply regurgitates press release
I usually like Slusser, but today's piece might as well have been an advertisement.  To just say they can again draw 2 million without questioning this assertion strains the definition of "reporting" quite a bit.  Of course, this is the sports page.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 22, 2005 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

in my colleague's defense
looks like the sports dept. is short-staffed. around the holidays ... she had to write the Finley-Alfonzo trade story too, so she probably didn't have any time to do research.

by vk on Dec 22, 2005 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Slusser here
In my defense, what I was trying to say, and maybe didn't do so well, was that they still have the capacity to draw 2 million - they could draw 2.7 million, technically. I certainly didn't mean they WILL draw 2 mill.
 I'm not sure whether they will or they won't with this move; sure, it could go down because they won't have those 47K crowds anymore, but making tickets more scarce might encourage the purchase of more partial season-ticket plans.
  And thanks, commuter, for explaining my rushed day - I thought I was off and instead wound up writing two stories between 4-6 p.m. Life at the understaffed Chronicle.

by slusser on Dec 22, 2005 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

How DARE you
not be perfect in every way!

<goes and finds fault with the way one-legged nun is dragging fire victim out of house>

Keep on 'slussing, Susan. AN loves you more than you will know...

Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

A calculator?
For the record, I praise Susan for her excellent writing, her knowledgeable and objective coverage of the A's, and her association with AN.
Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

For the record?
What other "hit singles" are on this record?

(serving up a "phatt" straight line, to be hit out of the park..)

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." Beane to Forst at GM winter meetings.

by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 22, 2005 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice to have a place where
journalists can do their own "post game interviews"!!

I like it, it takes journalism right to the audience, in a good way.

Upon reading your remarks, it reminded me (why? why!) of what Steve Young said in an interview, about interceptions:

"Sometimes  you just want to run off the field, grab a microphone connected to the PA, and say, "Attention fans! THAT interception was NOT my fault!  That was an outpattern, and the receiver was supposed to turn ten yards from scrimmage, but instead he went fifteen..."

I see not only do we have journalists on blogs, I see that bloggers ("Blez", with Tyler too) being quoted for reaction in the Oakland Tribune as part of the "story" about the Coliseum!  

Newsflash!  World changing!

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." Beane to Forst at GM winter meetings.

by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 22, 2005 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I too am a Slusser fan
And I do understand the deadline/workload crunch which plays into what was, after all, just the facts, ma'am.  I think there's an interesting sidebar conversation paralleling the short-staffed paper of record with the revenue-maximizing A's...but I'm not starting that chat here and now.

However, I do hope to read, in the post-holiday near-term as well as the empirically fueled mid or post-season longer term, a more critical analysis of the deck tarping, revenue generating, and the fans brought along and left behind in the process.  Thanks for your post and your work.

Costly Seat Downgrade

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 22, 2005 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Ticket sharing
Anyone interested in splitting a fielder's choice package for two?  We've found that 10-12 games a year is about the most we can manage from Napa.
"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."-Mark Twain

by kkdaz on Dec 22, 2005 9:10 AM PST reply actions  

Lots of good comments
and FreeSeatUpgrade's main entry probably deserves to be bumped to the front page.

But my reaction is purely personal.

I hate it.  I have always liked sitting in 317 or 318.  It's where I met friends when we were meeting at the game.  It's right behind the plate, with a panoramic view of the entire field.  And it's been affordable.

It's hard to see how this new plan, whatever its business justification, is good for me.

by bear88 on Dec 22, 2005 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

It seems to me
that by forcing the increase of season ticket sales, but decreasing attendance significantly at about 19 games, the A's will increase their "attendance in theory" while decreasing their "attendance in fact". There's money and people; it looks like the A's may have an increase in one but will definitely have a decrease in the other.

But since "empty paid for seats" don't buy concessions, don't buy souvenirs, and don't get excited about coming back, that "may" looks like a "may not" in "may"'s clothing.

Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

Empty paid for seats
..provide more money than empty un-paid for seats.

It may also bump up attendance at other games, as the Yanks/Sox/Giants are sold out, so fans buy tickets for the Angels/Mariners/Texas instead.  

I am a bitter Red Sox fan.

by FlynnSox on Dec 22, 2005 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, if you believe
that those extra fans who buy tickets to see the Yankees will go, "Sold out? Darnsies. OK, got any Devil Ray tickets for next week?"
Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

If they're A's fans they will
nm
I am a bitter Red Sox fan.

by FlynnSox on Dec 22, 2005 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

If the A's were a Business...
This is exactly want the A's would do.

If they were a sporting team which supports the community, this would not happen...

What am I trying to get to?  Pretty soon the A's will outsource our workers to warmer climates to work at the Colliseum...

by Instant Replay Umpire on Dec 22, 2005 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

Was yesterday the day
you realized that baseball is a business, not a community charity? Yikes--talk about a rude awakening!
Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah... But why do sporting teams always ask for..
Free Shiet.

We want land or a partially taxed based stadium, blah blah blah.

Personally, I don't agree on funding sporting teams so that big phat gifted athletes can make millions.

But i'm addicted to my A's...  Does that make sense?

by Instant Replay Umpire on Dec 22, 2005 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

They ask for public money
Because it works! Every corporation would like to get taxpayer money to boost their bottom line, but most of them can't do it quite so blatantly.
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 22, 2005 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Good Point !
I only wish I could ask for public money and get it!

I don't even want a stadium or huge amounts of land, how about a nice home fully paid for? ^_^

by Instant Replay Umpire on Dec 22, 2005 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, in fairness, Oakland's easy pickings
The City of Oakland has a sad history of showering money on all kinds of companies with a sexy business plan.  Witness the pending Forest City development--$63 million subsidy! Or Coliseum neighbor Zhone Technologies--money plus land plus a street renamed for them (yet still they flirt with Chapter 11).  Or the downtown ice rink, which the City now owns because it made no interest loans for a ludicrous idea and the owners still couldn't make payments (Olympic quality ice rink? In Oakland?  Brrrr....).  Or a sad and bizarre litany of other poorly conceived loans-turned-gifts when they predictably went into default.  And this is all within the last 10 years or so.

An extra cruel bit of irony in all this is that Oakland has been willing to toss bad money after more bad money to just about anyone who would show a little leg, and yet they're still going to end up doing little or nothing for the A's.  That may be as much Wolffisher's fault as the City's (see: phony swap meet proposal) but the fact remains the City has been able to offer up cash and resources when it wants to...but somehow isn't doing so here.

Costly Seat Downgrade

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 22, 2005 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this plan will work brilliantly
so long as it doesn't feel like an empty stadium. Jury's out whether the A's will be able to camouflage the upper tiers well enough to accomplish this. But if they do, I am confident this will increase attendance. People are drawn to scarce resources as much as resources are made scarce by people being drawn to them. And the A's are a top-rate product to boot!

Sentiment seemingly abounds that the capacity reduction is a slap in the fans' faces. I am sure that some of you who believe this also think that a new stadium with limited capacity is as well. If you hold both positions, I can't take issue.

But I am curious as to those folks who dislike the motivation behind the current capacity reduction but wouldn't question the motives behind a new stadium with limited capacity. Is capacity reduction less objectionable in the latter case because we get more in the bargain, i.e. a new stadium? Is the assumption in the former case that Mr. Wolff is taking away from the fans with no offsetting benefit?

If that assumption were true, I too would take issue. But I believe the plan will create a better atmosphere overall and more than offset the disadvantages. Of course, this depends on how well the dressing of the upper tier is able to create a sense of intimacy. Like I said above, we'll have to wait and see on that.

In any event, I just got season tickets after hearing the news. I didn't renew after 2001 because it was so easy to get walk-ups and head down to my old seats. I am excited about the new configuration, so my analysis is likely skewed by wishful thinking. Take it for what it is. Go A's!!

by stewbaby on Dec 22, 2005 11:41 AM PST reply actions  

It makes sense
that I would go to an A's game for the intimacy, since I sleep with women purely for recreation.
Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

whenever I sleep with a woman ...
... I make sure to drape a tarp over my third deck ...

... and, yes, my tarp takes advantage of "promotional opportunities" while at the same time celebrating my rich history ...

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 22, 2005 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Jealous much?
Some facilities don't even have a third deck.
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 22, 2005 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

My facilities
aren't curved. (But they are visited with equal frequency by men, women, children, and seagulls.)
Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Now I'm curious ...
... did Al Davis force you to enlarge your facilities at your own expense?
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 22, 2005 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't really recall--
my facilities go unused for months at a time.
Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

that makes it tough to plan ...
... seasonal and temporary workers, I understand ...
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 22, 2005 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

so you're saying ...
... you regularly invite the Ladies' Auxiliary onto your facilities?
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 22, 2005 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Sadly, those who do
come by way overcharge.
Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

noe that's just inappropriate ...
I can accept that as a monkey you'd do things a little differently, but headless people? come on ... that's just sick

by devo on Dec 22, 2005 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Back to stewbaby's comment....
I agree with you stewbaby. I think we're actually better off with the current stadium and small capacity than with the new small capacity stadium. When/if that ever gets built it's very unlikely that general ticket prices will stay so low.

It's clear that this current change impacts the most price sensitive fans, but no doubt a new stadium will affect us all.

If we want to have the option to see A's games without buying even more expensive tickets (on air planes), then we need to have the new stadium with more expensive seats. And if we want to have that stadium the A's need to know who and how many fans they can expect in that stadium, hence this real-life experiment.

This is our opportunity as A's fans to put-up or shut-up and prove to Wolff and Fisher that Oakland is a viable investment. Otherwise, we'll only be left with that crappy phone booth on the other side of the bay.

by david32 on Dec 22, 2005 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not as if
fans were flocking to fill the third deck seats when they were available at their assigned price. Outside of 144 season ticket holders, the rest of us are doing the equivalent of bemoaning the closing of that great restaurant we hardly ever went to.
Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 2:06 PM PST reply actions  

Well I was one of those
144 ... and let me just say ...

I never sat there anyway.

But and do feel bad for Brian and Co.

by devo on Dec 22, 2005 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I only sat in the third deck once
....and that was for a "Day On The Green Concert in 1987.

Of course, if you can remember a "Day On The Green" concert, you probably didn't really experience it.   Pass the bong!

by Rob @ Athletics Nation on Dec 22, 2005 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

the strong 3rd deck feelings
remind me of when they changed the configuration of the bleachers to Mt Davis and ruined a great view; not of the hills as many people mention but of the field itself.                                                    

I cut my teeth sitting on the wooden bleachers in left center watching Dwayne Murphy's cap fly off every time he began a quick dash to the ball. Then in later years getting a head nod from Hendu to his admirers in Henduland.  The low angle and close in view of the field view gave you a feeling that you had an effect on the game(albeit tiny) for a low dollar amount, that sitting in the bleachers today don't come close to                                              

I feel for you 316-318ers because while you will go to future games and have great times, you'll always regret not seeing those same events in your old seats.

by rustwarrior on Dec 22, 2005 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

Frankly m'dear, closing the third deck sucks.
Because now that the upper deck is closed, who will be chasing down all of those balls Frank Thomas hits?

Yes, I'm sitting here on a rainy afternoon dreaming of baseball and waiting for the announcement:  Frank Thomas is an Oakland A.

Or am I merely dreaming?

Darn it, Bill, you just made Toledo even holier.

by Edwinwinwin on Dec 22, 2005 3:53 PM PST reply actions  

Real Problem is not closing the Third deck
The A's have never been able to "sell" the third deck seats unless all other seats were taken.  Even people who buy them do not sit up there unless they can be low and right behind home plate.  The real benifit to the third deck was buying a very low cost ticket and them moving down to the much higher priced second or first deck.  We fans were spoiled.  When ever I "needed" additional seats I would buy third deck tickets and find vacant seats near my season tickets.  I saved a bundle and people I brought who were not familiar with the A's thought I was smart.

I guess I and people like me are the ones to blame for this decision.  I do not blame the A's for trying to increase the value of the experience to those who pay the most.  I am not happy about not being able to get more tickets to see the Yankees or Boston or fireworks at the last minute.  But I understand why it is necessary.

I would not trade this team and Oakland for any other in baseball.  I love the way we compete without all the strengths the other "big market" teams have with newer stadiums and more cash flow.

It takes unique and risk taking ownership to keep the team viable in this market.  This is a risky move.  And it certainly is unique.  There is no guarantee it will generate more revenue.  There is no guarantee it will work at all.

Lets just be happy that we (A's Nation) know which games we need to buy tickets for now.  We will see the games we want to.  The so called fans who go to see the "other" teams when they play here will be in for a surpise this year.  

I hope this works.  If it does the odds the A's will stay local will, for the first time, be in our favor.

Thomas Walker

by Thomas Walker on Dec 22, 2005 4:35 PM PST reply actions  

Ditto all that
Nice explanation, TW.

My practices have been much the same -- including cooking my own Aidell's dogs at home and mooching the stadium condiments.

It's the Moneyball approach to fandom: exploit the cracks and inefficiencies in the system. Wolff is trying to patch over the seams, which is good for the long-term health of the ballclub but bad for penny-pinchers like us.

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 22, 2005 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

silver lining
the parking lot will probably never get to overflow...it's not much fun walking across the freeway with a complaining 7-year-old.  

by vk on Dec 22, 2005 4:58 PM PST reply actions  

Insanely Stupid Idea
It's confirmed. Not only is Blez a carpetbagging A's fan, but he's a lap dog for the A's ownership.

Closing the upper deck of the Coliseum could become a marketing idea that is joked about for years. A huge swath of the Coliseum viewing experience awash in advertising and photos of Rollie Fingers and Reggie Jackson. For what? Only one reason. Money, money, money. The almight dollar is important but not for the sake of hurting your fans.

This marketing ploy is a farce and I challenge A's fans to stand up for themselves instead of lapping it up like some have on AN.

by wonderbread74 on Dec 22, 2005 5:47 PM PST reply actions  

don't be mean
I've never met him, but it just seems to me like Blez is a good guy who calls it like he sees it. There's no reason to call him names if you disagree with him.
"Why do they call it the 'A's Replay'? It's always just 'The First Good Thing to Happen to the A's'". ~ArakSOT, 7/14/05

by rich @ Athletics Nation on Dec 22, 2005 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm don't have an opinion either way but
I wish that I could "cut down" seeing the A's 10 to 15 times a year. I'm trying to work out a deal to go to Cali with my buddy then talking him into driving up to Oakland from LA to see a game. But I might have to settle for seeing them in San Diego or Anahiem. Bottom line is that it sucks not having Major League Baseball in your own state.
Mark my words..."I am going to make an A's game this year...in Oakland."

by Indiana Athletic on Dec 22, 2005 7:47 PM PST reply actions  

The A's have been marketing FOR YEARS!!!
Does anyone remember the old Clorox Bleacher seats, or the 7/11 Dufflebags. Every team does it (marketing). If they close off the 3rd deck to do it, fine. Rather that than see some McDonalds patch on the uniform or some brand on the bases or cut into the grass. You can hardly see the 3rd deck anyway, unless you're up there. I used to enjoy relaxing on the 3rd deck, but if it means the team staying in Oakland, signing quality free agents, a louder atmosphere, and, most importantly, sticking it to Al Davis the Raiders, then I'm all for it!
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by haren4prez on Dec 22, 2005 10:08 PM PST reply actions  

You should write the next A's press release
"if it means the team staying in Oakland, signing quality free agents, a louder atmosphere, and, most importantly, sticking it to Al Davis the Raiders, then I'm all for it"

What makes you think the deck closure will mean any of those things?  The A's don't say so...I doubt they even think so. And I look forward to your decibel reports during the season, explaining how fewer people are making more noise. Perhaps thunder sticks...

Costly Seat Downgrade

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 22, 2005 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm looking at the field anyway, not the 3rd deck.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by haren4prez on Dec 22, 2005 10:09 PM PST reply actions  

One way to look at it:
Haagen Daas discontinues its least popular flavors and L'Oreal discontinues the lipstick colors that are least often purchased.

Maybe it would make more sense to cry foul over the A's closing the third deck if they routinely filled the second deck--which they don't. All of 144 season-ticket holders, out of 2,000,000+ fans, were affected by the closure, and they were offered more expensive seats at the same price.

Maybe the A's didn't cause a problem; maybe they reacted to one.

Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 10:30 PM PST reply actions  

Only season-ticket holders count?
My work days/hours are too unpredictable for season tickets to make much sense (life in the software industry)- generally I hit the box office every few weeks and buy tickets for a half-dozen games at a time. On very rare occasions (when I have an unexpectedly free weekday evening) I'll buy a walkup ticket. But in general I'm buying my tickets ahead of time, in most cases more than a week ahead of time. Does this make me a Bad Fan who doesn't give A's management sufficient warning of my presence? Does it mean I'm "not affected by the closure"? Do I even have the right to gripe about this?

"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 22, 2005 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, true, you have a right
to say you are "affected by the closure," but my point is that for most games the second deck is not full. Thus, walk up tickets will still be available. And A's bleacher or second deck tickets will still be well under median price. So for the average fan on a tight budget, little has changed: for most games, walk up seats will be available at a reasonable price.
Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2005 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Needs of the one/few/many
OK, no trite Trek philosophy here, I promise. But having been awakened to meet the needs of the one--little baby Car Seat Upgrade--I wanted to add something.

The A's would love this discussion to be about a mere gross of season ticket holders.  But it isn't...thousands of fans bought 3rd deck tickets for every game.  Those folks will now sit in worse seats and likely pay more for the privilege, and hence attend fewer games.  There's a feeling on these pages that the A's relatively low prices make this OK.  But that's faulty logic in an old park.

Like most, I accept (though don't like) the modern reality that a new ballpark is needed to keep the franchise in the revenue style to which its peers are accustomed. And new parks bring new prices...the Gnats left a lot of loyal blue collar Candlestick fans behind when they opened Some Bell Co. Many would say the atmosphere suffered accordingly, but that's not my point.  The A's deck closure begins to squeeze those fans today with no promise of a new park tomorrow.

This idea of testing the 35K park idea is absurd, akin to the Ferrari dealer removing the back seats from an old Volvo 240 and using that for customers to sample the experience of a two person sports car.  If the A's want to sample new park demand, let them announce a tentative Oakland location (a feasible one...in the spirit of the paragraph, perhaps the vacating Broadway Auto Row) and offer fans the chance to open refundable season ticket deposit accounts.  The cash would be returned if no park was built; if plans proceeded apace, it would both give the team some cashflow while offering a gauge of actual new park interest. Using a stripped down old park for that purpose is another baramoter which is set up to fail...decrease capacity 22% and demand more tickets sold, or else...hmmm...

I want to express my support for keeping the A's in Oakland, man, do I.  But the team is showing no matching support for staying. And there are ways to do both at the same time, and the A's know this, and aren't.  And not only might Oakland fans be left out in the cold, we're being set up by even our own community to be blamed for what comes next.

Costly Seat Downgrade

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Dec 23, 2005 4:12 AM PST up reply actions  

does that mean ...
... that in mid-summer '05 (pre-Tag, pre-Sulkoff), Jason Kendall could have been discontinued?
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 23, 2005 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Well said Nico
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by haren4prez on Dec 22, 2005 10:33 PM PST reply actions  

Some "Fan-Friendly" Ideas
OK, if the ownership is really serious about improving my "fan experience," here are some suggestions that I think would really make a trip to an A's game more enjoyable:
  1. Fix the mess at the entrance to the BART bridge after games. The "cattle call" after games- even ones with 15,000 fans- when thousands try to cram onto the BART bridge is a major drag that could be solved quite readily with minimal manpower. Put the choke points further upstream, on the ramps, so that the merging takes place more gradually. Get stadium security to keep folks from gathering in big clots right at the bridge entrance. Have the cops clear the damn Five Dollah Hat guys off the bridge so they aren't bottlenecking things.
  2. Fix the mess at the exits from the stadium parking lots. A half-dozen strategically-placed guys directing traffic with those little airport-runway flashlights would do a world of good.
  3. Stop being such cheapskates with Stomper appearances and limiting the Stompster to weekends/big games only- I go to quite a few weeknight games with my little nieces & nephew and they must see Stomper!
  4. Let Roy Steele cut loose with any weird gibberish that comes into his head, at any time- it's obvious that he's the Bill King of stadium announcers and it's a shame to force him to hold back in the name of Yankees-style "professionalism." If he wants to narrate Dot Racing with a lenghty tirade on The Nature Of Reality, well by God, let him do it! He's been there long enough to have earned the right. Let that boy boogie woogie! it's in him and it's got to come out!
  5. Fix the radio speakers in the West Side Club men's bathroom. Come on, how much does a friggin' new radio cost? It sounds like I'm listening to Marconi's first experiments in there, and it's been that way as long as I can remember!
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 22, 2005 11:26 PM PST reply actions  

LOL
I second all of those!  And I would add to #5 that not only does it also apply to the WSC women's bathroom, but I don't want to hear whatever the hell the music station is that they put on after games -- I want to hear the A's postgame wrapup!
"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me," Beane told Forst.

by Poppy on Dec 23, 2005 1:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmm.
Last season, there were 18 games that had attendance over the new capacity -- 5 of them having attendance over 44,500. The 45,000+ plus were tied to promotional events and the Giants or Angels in town, or opening day. Still. I know shit about economics (blessed is the liberal arts major), so I'm curious of the A's expect the approximately 142,000 fans that were over the mark last season in those games to funnel their funds into tickets for different games since they can't get into their game of choice or what. I alternate between depressed about the closure and interested in what exactly the result's gonna be, if any truly noticeable result other than the big ol' tarps of capitalism.

One thing I hadn't really thought of, though, was the impact this'll have on promotional days. It'll be quite disappointing to see people unable to get to fireworks days and events like Root Beer Float Day, but on the other hand, it'll probably help with safety concerns and general crowd control for getting on the field for fireworks and whatnot. That, at least, will be refreshing.

I do hope that if this supposed season ticket buying and increased consistancy in attendance happens, the A's might bump up the numbers for giveaways so that more people have chances to get the major ones -- bobbleheads, figurines.

And given the attedence for Eck Day, I really hope that when Rickey's time rolls around to be put on the outfield wall (or Bill King's, for his HOF moment!), they do consider opening up the upper deck for just that day -- screw profit, whoever wants to be in the park for a day like that should damn well be able to be there. Those are moments that transcend any of the other shit, IMHO.

For 61 games last season, we had under 30,000 people in attedence. Still plenty of room for walkup for those, at least. I could definitely see bleacher season tickets increasing as a replacement for the lost level... I'm really curious to see if this does have a definite impact in season ticket sales over the next three years, though. I guess decreasing walkup sales is valuable enough to them, since it will at least incite people to consider a little bit ahead of time about procuring tickets for some of the bigger games. I just hope this isn't about seriously yanking up the ticket prices in a year or two through preaching scarcity.

I hate feeling like we're the goddamn labrat on the way out of town. I don't WANT to do anything to help them make a venue in Portland or San Jose or whatever craptastic location Wolff is licking his chops over.

Just seems like it's gonna be a field day for Stubhub and scalpers with those Yankees/Giants/Red Sox games more than anything as a result of this. Which makes me sad.

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Dec 23, 2005 12:12 AM PST reply actions  

Kill walkups
Blez, you really think this configuration will kill walkup sales?  You think the A's will regularly sell out the new house?

by achiappanza on Dec 23, 2005 7:46 AM PST reply actions  

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