All time team

by jacobo2u on Dec 16, 2005 3:36 PM PST Comment 71 comments

Inspired by Devo's #3 pick, what would your all time team look like??

C. josh gibson
1b. lou gehrig
2b. jackie robinson
ss. honus wagner
3b. george brett
lf. ted williams
cf. mickey mantle
rf. Griffey Jr.

sp1. satchel paige
sp2. sandy koufax
sp3. pedro martinez
sp4. bob gibson
sp5. babe ruth

cl1 mariano rivera
cl2. eck.

my mind completely blanked on 3b. lets hear ya alls!!!

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3b

Mike Schmidt

"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on Dec 16, 2005 3:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Just off the top of my head

C Bench (D's too important here)
1b Gehrig
2b Morgan
SS Wagner
3b Schmidt
LF Bonds
CF Mays
RF Ruth
DH Williams

SP1 Walter Johnson
SP2 Lefty Grove
SP3 Satchel Paige
SP4 Christy Matthewson
SP5 Roger Clemens

RP1 Dennis Eckersley
RP2 Mariano Rivera
RP3 Goose Gossage (he hung on too long, but as a RP from '75-'85 he was incredible and he belongs in the HOF)

If I'm taking folks out of position, though ...
sub in Mantle and Cobb for Bonds and Ruth. No balls will fall in my OF.

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by devo on Dec 16, 2005 3:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

actually ...

... if you want your last sentence to hold true, you should probably include Bonds.

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 16, 2005 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay, I have to ask

is this some kind of steriod related scrotum reference?

by LowcountryJoe on Dec 16, 2005 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay, I have to answer

Yes.

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 16, 2005 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Pete Rose played 2b for like 1 season, but...

C. johnny bench
1b. jimmie foxx
2b. pete rose
ss. joe dimaggio
3b. alex rodriguez
lf. ted williams
cf. willie mays
rf. roberto clemente
dh. Barry Bonds

sp1. roger clemens
sp2. tom seaver
sp3. pedro martinez
sp4. bob gibson
sp5. randy johnson

cl1. dennis eckersley
cl2. eric gange

by kvn on Dec 16, 2005 3:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Joe Dimaggio was an outfielder.

by SuperDingus on Dec 17, 2005 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sheating a bit

Joe played ss in the minors with the sf seals. so in my fantasy i pick him at ss and rose at 2b.

i think i have the sickest lineup. i think if randy johnson were my closer and maddux took his spot as a starter my team would kick even more fantasy ass.

by kvn on Dec 17, 2005 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

cheating*

although sheating is a really cool new word with lots of uses.

by kvn on Dec 17, 2005 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't sheat on me

by Philip Christy on Dec 18, 2005 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

mine aren't necessarily the best players

statistically.

C. campanella
1b. sisler
2b. collins
ss. wagner
3b. baker
lf. aaron
cf. mays
rf. clemente

sp1. grove
sp2. walter johnson
sp3. paige
sp4. gibson
sp5. mathewson
cl1 goose gossage
cl2. eck

I probably won't need them, but I want two long relievers on my team, too:
R1. marberry
R2. elroy face

by Brian in 317 on Dec 16, 2005 4:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

oh yeah...

connie mack is the manager, john mcgraw is third base coach, and willie stargell is first base coach

by Brian in 317 on Dec 16, 2005 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Cool team Brian! Very original choices

by TheBigO on Dec 16, 2005 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Too tough for me to compare

dead ball/new ball eras, as well as the pre-roids/post-roids era.

The game has graced us with terrific ballplayers from a wide range of eras.

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay.

by carp on Dec 16, 2005 4:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

i'll take the 40+ hr .400 avg season at 2b please

Gotta get some A's in there people!

LF Henderson
2B Rogers Hornsby
RF Bonds
CF Mays
DH Ruth
1B Gehrig
3B Schmidt
SS Tejada
C Bench

SP Koufax
SP Cy Young
SP Grove
SP Clemens
SP Mathewson

CL Eck
Setup Rivera
Setup Gagne

PH Ted Williams

by niallmack on Dec 16, 2005 4:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

thats the lineup order as well

plus Wash as 3rd base coach, Ditka as manager, Leo Mazzone as pitching coach, and Don Zimmer as bench coach / fight best pitcher on other team during pivotal series

by niallmack on Dec 16, 2005 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i ask this question every year

in my fantasy baseball league

c - Ivan Rodriguez
1st - Jimmie Foxx
2nd - Jeff Kent
3rd - Brooks Robinson
SS- Honus Wagner
OF - Babe Ruth
OF - Mickey mantle
OF - Ted Williams
DH - Barry Bonds

Ph/PR - Rickey henderson

SP - Roger Clemens R
SP - Nolan Ryan R
SP - Sandy Koufax L
SP - Pedro Martinez R
SP - Steve Carlton L

RP - Dennis Eckersley R
RP - Mariano Rivera R
RP - Trevor Hoffman R
RP - Billy Wagner L

i think thats the best u can have

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 16, 2005 5:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Only 3 pre WWII players out of 19?

They had pitchers back then, you know.

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by devo on Dec 16, 2005 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

well as far as relievers go...

its hard. but The rocket is my fav pitcher of all time, next is Nolan Ryan.... and you just can't argue with the stats that carlton and Pedro put up

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 16, 2005 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ha

You're just dying to rag on someone's choices! I don't blame you, after the crap you've been taking!

This diary seems to be more about just who your favorite guys are... perhaps without a rigorous statistical analysis and perhaps owing to personal preference. I'm sure you've noticed it's really hard to make a roster like this and leave out someone or two. I like his choice of Carlton. Man he was tough.

by Brian in 317 on Dec 16, 2005 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

rigorous statistical analysis

I didn't become a baseball fan to crunch numbers. I mean, I like the statistical and even economic aspect of baseball, but I don't like sucking all the magic out of the game.

by kvn on Dec 16, 2005 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks man

Carlton is my favorite lefty of all time, Zito is up there too, but just doesnt perform like Carlton did, man he was IT!

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 16, 2005 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

believe me I know it

I was a big Pirates fan back then, and I can just see Lefty dropping that nasty slider in right past Dave Parker's mighty futile swing. You're right, no one's had as good of an off speed pitch (at least from the left side) til Zito came along.

by Brian in 317 on Dec 17, 2005 6:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

does that mean

willie stargell is on ur all time team?

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 17, 2005 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i put sisler at first

in THIS all time team (I wanted these guys to be good on defense- Wilver wasn't really a glove guy). I made him the first base coach (he's the "good cop" to McGraw's "Bad Cop" at third base coach).

by Brian in 317 on Dec 17, 2005 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

haha perfect

and willie is a Bay Area Native, which makes it even better

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 17, 2005 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

what

how can you have a starting staff that leaves out bob gibson

by oaktownredneck on Dec 16, 2005 7:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i also left out

hammerin Hank and the say hey kid and cy young... all hard decisions but i made them and i like this team

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 16, 2005 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Lots of Yankees and A's...

C - Yogi Berra
1b - Lou Gehrig
2b - Jackie Robinson
SS - Honus Wagner
3b - Alex Rodriguez
LF - Ted Williams
CF - Joe DiMaggio
RF - Babe Ruth
DH - Barry Bonds

SP - Roger Clemens
SP - Walter Johnson
SP - Pedro Martinez
SP - Sandy Koufax
SP - Lefty Grove

RP - Mariano Rivera
RP - Dennis Eckersley
RP - Goose Gossage
RP - Eric Gagne

by Yanny on Dec 16, 2005 7:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

more like

yanks and dodgers

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 16, 2005 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

GOOD TEAMS PEOPLE!

More of this kind of topic on AN! I love this stuff.

SS Honus Wagner - R
LF Oscar Charleston - L
RF Babe Ruth - L
C Josh Gibson - R
DH Ted Williams - L
1B Lou Gehrig - L
CF Willie Mays - R
3B Mike Schmidt - R
2B Eddie Collins - L

..heh heh heh >:D Collins over Joe Morgan only for defense and durability (these 2 virtually equal in value IMHO). If you choose a team with no Negro leaguers, replace Charleston and Gibson with Bonds and ....Bench I guess. Better with Oscar and Josh. Catcher is the toughest call I think.

SP Satchel Paige
SP Walter Johnson
SP Lefty Grove
SP Roger Clemens
SP Grover Cleveland Alexander

CL Mariano Rivera
LOOGY Sandy Koufax (jk! imagine though)

Tough to snub Koufax, Pedro, Mathewson, Cy Young, Seaver, Gibson, Carlton, and even Randy Johnson. But I'd feel comfortable with those five. (You could also find worthy Negro Leaguers like Bullet Joe Rogan, Cannonball Dick Redding, and Smokey Joe Williams; they're hard to compare though)

Woohoo! Bring on the second string team for an All-Time Series!

by TheBigO on Dec 16, 2005 10:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

wasn't the big O

Oscar Charleston? Just kidding, I actually remember Oscar Robertson, though I only saw him at the tail end of his career (what a great bball player... and he's one of those guys who'd be just as great in today's game).

Oscar Charleston... that's a name nobody knows, and according to many, was the greatest negro leaguer power hitter of all.

by Brian in 317 on Dec 17, 2005 6:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah Charleston's kinda forgotten ...

...but if you read about him, it sounds like he was basically Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth and Willie Mays rolled into one with pretty much superlative skills at everything (awesome speed, power, lefty bat, OF range, etc) except for an average throwing arm, big whoop. Plus he was one mean SOB, loved to brawl and had gone to WWI when he was like 17, apparently. John McGraw (and MANY others) said he was the greatest player he'd ever, seen so that's a pretty good endorsement.

by TheBigO on Dec 17, 2005 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

McGraw said that!?!!

Incredible. I'd love to know where that quote is, if you can remember.

by Brian in 317 on Dec 17, 2005 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm, OK I don't have the quote but ...

it's referred to at the end of the chapter on Charleston in Blackball Stars by John Holway; Bill James also relates McGraw's "reported" opinion in the New Historical Baseball Abstract, and rates Charleston as the fourth greatest player ever. McGraw DID apparently say "If only I could calcimine him" (also from Blackball Stars). There are a lot of quotes from various folks, white and black, saying Charleston was right up there with Cobb and Ruth, if not better.

by TheBigO on Dec 18, 2005 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

After McGraw died

his wife found a list of all the Negro-Leaguers he would have liked to have signed. He also once tried to pass off a light-skinned black as an Indian. BTW, why the hell was it okay to play baseball with Native Americans and not African Americans? Racism is so stupid.

Green and Gold since '73. #1712

by kent1 on Dec 18, 2005 7:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My All-Time 25 Man Roster

Batting orders and pitching rotations are in effect ladies and gents...

Manager: Connie Mack
Bench Coach: Earl Weaver
Batting Coach: Ted Williams
Pitching Coach: Cy Young
Bullpen Coach: Carlton Fisk
1st Base Coach: Billy Martin Bay Area Native
3rd Base Coach: Ron Washington

STARTING LINEUP

LF Rickey Henderson Bay Area native
CF Willie Mays
RF Joe DiMaggio Bay Area native
C Josh Gibson
DH Babe Ruth
1B Lou Gerhig
3B Mike Schmidt
SS Alex Rodriguez (I can't stand him, but damn he's great)
2B Rogers Hornsby

BENCH

C Johnny Bench
2B Joe Morgan Bay Area Native
utility Pete Rose
OF Frank Robinson Bay Area Native

STARTING PITCHERS

Walter Johnson R
Warren Spahn L
Satchel Paige R (Best Lefty/Righty Rotation)
Bob Gibson R
Steve Carlton L

Bullpen

Roger Clemens R LR
Catfish Hunter R LR
Lefty Gomez L LR Bay Area Native
Sandy Koufax L MR
Nolan Ryan R MR
Goose Gossage R SU
Dennis Eckerlsey R CL Bay Area Native

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by haren4prez on Dec 16, 2005 11:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Eckersley

I think that this is a good head to head BigO

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by haren4prez on Dec 16, 2005 11:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

word. bet the series goes seven.

by TheBigO on Dec 16, 2005 11:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

greatest lineup ever (or is it ?) oh yeah...

C-Pudge (Rodriguez or Fisk, hmmm...)
1B-Big Mac
2B-B G O
3B-The Human Vacuum
SS-A-Rod
OF-Say Hey Kid
OF-The Sultan of Swat
OF-Joltin' Joe
DH-The Greatest Hitter who Ever Played the Game

SP-The Rocket
SP-Ryan Express
SP-The Big Unit
SP-Lefty (insert fav here)
SP-Catfish

RP-Eck
RP-Game Over

MGR-Sparky

Honorable Mention--
1B-The Iron Man
OF-Cool Papa Bell (negro leagues)
OF-Yaz
DH-Hammerin' Hank

This is a fairly accurate description of the coolest sounding team of all time. Rock On!!

I pickled The Beast.

by improbable greatness on Dec 16, 2005 11:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

B O G???

i don't know that one.

"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on Dec 17, 2005 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

B G O = Biggio...

I likes the ability to play him wherever, plus i figure i'll be playing in a stadium with a really short porch in left

I pickled The Beast.

by improbable greatness on Dec 17, 2005 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah. Then Selig calles it in extra innings when

each team runs out of position players, and an irate Billy Martin and Earl Weaver charge the stands with bats and let him have it. The baseball Gods look down on this, smile, and give us Bart Giamatti back. All is good in the world again.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by haren4prez on Dec 16, 2005 11:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I love ruth pitching

i know he might not be everyone's favorite. But he was Do-mi-ant as as pitcher. Not to mention the best player ever...

by TheCatch on Dec 17, 2005 12:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

thats why I have him

at #5. if no dh, hes worth it even just to have in the lineup, even if he was crap (which i wasn't really)

"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on Dec 17, 2005 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I like the 25 man roster idea

So here goes

C--Josh Gibson, backed up by Yogi Berra (can play LF)

1B-- Lou Gehrig, backed up by Keith hernandez (defense)

2B-- Joe Morgan, backed up by Bill Mazeroski

SS-- Honus Wagner
3B-- Mike Schmidt

ARod backs up both of them

LF-- Bonds. Barry Bonds
CF-- His Godfather
RF-- Babe Ruth

The 3 OF backups are Rickey Henderson for basestealing; Ty Cobb for overall orneriness; and Henry Aaron, to keep Cobb in line.

And Oscar Charleston for good measure

4 starters

Train
Lefty Grove
Clemens
Satchel Paige

In the bullpen for various reasons are:

Dennis Eckersley
Goose Gossage
Hoyt Wilhelm
Sandy Koufax
(Babe Ruth-- he's our 10th pitcher)

and Jim Bouton to write about the whole thing.

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Dec 17, 2005 1:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

personally

i would never want a rod on any team of mind. he is a bonified cheat and loser.

other than that good list!!

"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on Dec 17, 2005 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think I'd agree ...

...with pretty much your whole roster, except I'd want Ted Williams on there somewhere. I'm thinkin he'd be an OK lefty bat off the bench. But what the hell.

by TheBigO on Dec 17, 2005 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i was wondering

if ol' "Chicken Wing" was going to make someone's team.

Thanks for including Mazeroski-the greatest doubleplay guy in mlb history, and author of the greatest WS ending in history too (though not according to ESPN). I almost put him on my roster, but I didn't go to 25.

Yeah, Babe Ruth in the bullpen would be an incredible asset. I assume you might ph him in certain situations?

by Brian in 317 on Dec 17, 2005 6:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

no need to-- he's already in the lineup

When he comes into pitch, Aaron trots to RF

oaktoon

by oaktoon on Dec 17, 2005 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

oh yeah... duh

by Brian in 317 on Dec 17, 2005 9:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

why do

people love clemens more than martinez?

when one looks at the stats, pedro dominated like few have ever, including clemens. I mean from 97 till basically even now he has been downright sick. clemens can't even touch that.

"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on Dec 17, 2005 11:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

i put em both on

i love pedro, but i also love the rocket

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 17, 2005 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

but to answer ur question

its the Cy Youngs, people love that he has 6, Pedro might have deserved 6 but he doesn't have them.

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 17, 2005 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

it's seven

Cys for the Rocket, and while I don't particularly like him, I still put him on my team as I think he's definitely one of the 5 greatest pitchers ever. Pedro is awesome too, it's just Clemens has ten more years of excellence on him.

by TheBigO on Dec 17, 2005 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

clemens never dominated

like martinez, and hes still going. If the rocket can change his game in the NL,god knows what pedro can do.

"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on Dec 17, 2005 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

sub 2 ERA not dominant?

lets see pedro do that at age 40, and besides Pedro changed his game to form to the AL, since he got a cy in the NL first

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 18, 2005 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Based upon sheer dominance...

...during the era in which each played performed. And considering that I need a real lineup with a legitimate leadoff hitter, etc.

C Mickey Cochrane
1B Jimmie Foxx
2B Rogers Hornsby
SS Alex Rodriguez
3B Michael Jack Schmidt
LF Ted Williams
CF Ty Cobb
RF Babe Ruth

SP Robert Moses Lefty Grove
SP Walter Johnson
SP Steve Carlton
SP Roger Clemens

CL Dennis Eckersley

MGR Connie Mack

Batting order:

Cobb
Hornsby
Williams
Ruth
Rodriguez
Foxx
Schmidt
Cochrane
Pitcher

If I get a DH, it is (my peronal all-time favorite player) Rickey Henderson.

Then the order looks like this:

Henderson
Hornsby
Cobb
Ruth
Williams
Rodriguez
Foxx
Schmidt
Cochrane

by conniemack on Dec 17, 2005 12:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

my team

C -
1B - Lou Gehrig
2B - Nap Lajoie
SS - A Rod
3B - Mike Schmidt
LF - Barry Bonds
CF - Willie Mays
RF - Babe Ruth
DH - Ted Williams (though I'm sure he'd DH over his dead body... so to speak)

In order...
Lajoie
A-Rod
Babe Ruth
Lou Gehrig
Willie Mays
Barry Bonds
Ted Williams
Mike Schmidt
Johnny Bench

SP - Walter Johnson
Christy Matthewson
Cy Young
Bob Gibson
Dizzy Dean

No need for Relief pitchers with those guys... it'd be a complete game every day... and they wouldn't even want the 5th starter.

by gorickeygo on Dec 17, 2005 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No catcher?

Great team but you're gonna have a lot of passed balls!

by TheBigO on Dec 17, 2005 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

oh boy...

that reminds me of Ultimate Baseball Online...

Damn! Street is so imposing, he even causes the earth itself to freeze in fear! - monkeyball

by Jjjsixsix on Dec 17, 2005 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't know that Ted

would object to being DH. I think he only played in the field so they'd let him hit. I've read that he was known to practice his swing in the outfield during games.

Green and Gold since '73. #1712

by kent1 on Dec 18, 2005 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ruth's D

People think that because he was big he couldn't run... but my professor played in the Senators farm system in the 30s and he says that the man was graceful as a swan in RF... you couldn't get a ball by him and if something did get to a gap... he of course had an unbelievable arm.
I was shocked by this too... and though I don't know exactly how many stolen bases he had... I doubt there's anyone in the history of baseball one could possibly rather have in RF than Babe Ruth

by gorickeygo on Dec 17, 2005 12:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Babe Ruth - 123 SB, 117 CS

The Babe was pretty fast when he was young. Problem was, he kept trying to swipe bases when he old and fat. The 1926 World Series ended when Ruth was caught stealing with 2 outs in the 9th inning of game 6 - with Gehrig at bat!

Green and Gold since '73. #1712

by kent1 on Dec 18, 2005 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ever seen that old pic of Ruth?

I think it's from when he was pitching with Boston. It's notable because it's from before he acquired the gut--he looked like a fit, trim, strong athlete. For his time he was a big guy too, 6'2 and up to 215 (or more, later on). Also I think he swung like a 40 ounce bat! Crazy.

by TheBigO on Dec 18, 2005 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ruth swung a big stick, but ...

I've read that a few years back, one of his bats was shown to some major leaguers at an all-star game. One of them examined the bat and exclaimed, "Hey! This bat is corked!" Whether it was or not, I can't say, but there really isn't anything new under the sun.

Green and Gold since '73. #1712

by kent1 on Dec 19, 2005 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That was Hendu!

It was Dave Henderson who examined that bat! Ruth was a rascal all right. I guess growing up in a saloon might do that to you.

by TheBigO on Dec 19, 2005 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't require much thought...

C - Josh Gibson
1B - Lou Gehrig
2B - Rogers Hornsby
SS - Honus Wagner
3B - Mike Schmidt
LF - Barry Bonds
CF - Willy Mays
RF - Stan Musial
DH - Ted Williams

SP - Pedro Martinez
SP - Walter Johnson
SP - Lefty Grove
SP - Satchel Paige
SP - Roger Clemens

Closer - Eckersley
Setup - Rivera

by SuperDingus on Dec 17, 2005 4:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Stan the Man makes an appearance!

One of my all time favorites.

by TheBigO on Dec 18, 2005 6:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Love this diary and thread.

I love these sorts of discussions. Personally, I think Babe Ruth was the best player of all time. Outstanding pitcher in his youth (2 20 win seasons, ERA title), best run-producer ever, and someone who transformed the game. My all-time team:
C Johnny Bench
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Joe Morgan
3B Mike Schmidt
SS Honus Wagner (it could have been A-Rod, if he hadn't switched to 3rd)
LF Stan Musial (Ted Williams was a better hitter, but I'll take Musial for defense and good clubhouse chemistry, plus he hit .331/.418/.559, which is pretty damn good.)
CF Mickey Mantle
RF Babe Ruth
DH Rickey Henderson

SP Walter Johnson
SP Lefty Grove
SP Juan Marichal (has better stats during the 60's than Bob Gibson)
SP Roger Clemens
SP Christy Matthewson

RP Dennis Eckersley
RP Mariano Rivera
RP Goose Gossage

Bench:
C Yogi Berra
OF Hank Aaron
OF Willie Mays
IF Alex Rodriguez
IF Rogers Hornsby
IF Ozzie Smith

Wish there was room for Jimmie Foxx, Frank Robinson, Willie McCovey, Reggie Jackson, Catfish Hunter, and Joe Rudi.

Green and Gold since '73. #1712

by kent1 on Dec 18, 2005 8:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs