Under the Radar
Antonio Perez could be an underrated component to the whole Bradley deal. Why? He hasn't played a full 162-game season in the big leagues yet, but his career OBP is over .350. Mark Ellis has a career OBP of .348. Granted, Ellis has a higher career OPS and Perez has a much smaller sample size, but Perez could become the new supersub, replacing Marco Scutaro's role.
Perez is great insurance for a cranky Chavez shoulder and he's also great insurance in case Ellis or even Crosby goes down.
Is there any question why Billy Beane has been pursuing him for some time now, if the published reports are correct?
Granted, Perez isn't going to start hitting bombs out of the ballpark, but at the same time, he's a guy who can get on base consistently. I imagine Paul DePodesta probably had a few words about Perez for Billy since the A's were considering acquiring him.
While I believe that Bradley can be a question mark in terms of his attitude and what he's going to provide, I don't think that same uncertainty surrounds Perez. He will be an excellent insurance policy and if the A's have problems with injuries as they have the last couple of years, they're going to need him.
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what's going on with Ginter
I think Beane is trying to trade him
i thought it was to the mets along with JL square
by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 15, 2005 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
worst trade ever.
sunnyvale is weaksauce.
by ConditionOakland on Dec 15, 2005 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
under contract
*http://www.ucscfootball.com/salaries.html
I believe he's more commonly known...
What I like about Perez - not only does he get on base, but he's good for 25 steals a year.
Not on the A's
or is ginter
I've never seen Perez play
i've
by ucla kid on Dec 15, 2005 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
agreed.
I feel like we gotta move someone, but who? And to where?
My guess is that
Boston...
If Beane can pull Ethier for Perez and Bradley, perhaps he can also pull a Scoot, Payton and Barton for Manny and cash...
I'm sure ESPN and FOX will still run headlines like "Bosox dump Manny" like they did with Bradley. We all know that the real headline is "Somehow, all GMs are irrational and highly suceptible to Beane's Jedi Mind trick."
I had the same thought
I mostly hope they don't trade Scutaro. As my Dad said "He has bailed their ass out more than once," I just hope he doesn't end up with the short end of the stick in all this. Two back up middle infielders who can also slide into third or OF on a rare occasion is not a bad situation to have.
Lets just hope they are all A's in April.
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Dec 15, 2005 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
or...
Like...I know! The Cardinals need a 2B after not signing Grudzielanek, so how about we trade them Ginter for Pujols!
Ok fine, we'll throw in Cruz and Bazooka Joe for good measure...
Get rid of Ginter!!!
14 Position Players:
C J. Kendall
1B N. Swisher
2B M. Ellis
3B E. Chavez
SS B. Crosby
LF J. Payton
CF M. Kotsay
RF M. Bradley
DH D. Johnson
C A. Melhuse
IF M. Scutaro
IF A. Perez
OF B. Kielty
12 Pitchers:
SP B. Zito
SP R. Harden
SP E. Loaiza
SP D. Haren
SP J. Blanton
RP H. Street
RP K. Calero
RP J. Duchscherer
RP J. Witasick
RP J. Kennedy
RP K. Sarloos
RP ???
I think this is a freakin awesom roster. Awesome defense, Awesome pitching, Awesome depth, and potentially above average hitting at every position in the lineup. I'd take Scutaro over Perez or Ginter every time!!! Also, the season is long and I think with both of these Infielders flexibility to play different IF positions they will both have the opportunity to get a decent amount of playing time.
by jjunge on Dec 15, 2005 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
I forgot how to count...
by jjunge on Dec 15, 2005 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Right on point...
Having said that, Scutaro is actually a fairly comparable player, except one with better defense + power. In 04 he hit for average, in 05 he took some walks. He may well consolidate soon. I've always liked him and think he's on the verge of a breakout of sorts in 06, that is if he gets the chance.
by Little Rickey on Dec 15, 2005 12:24 PM PST reply actions
So yeah.
by FinalDawn34 on Dec 15, 2005 12:25 PM PST reply actions
Well then...
I haven't read moneyball either, but I've learned more about the big leagues in my time here than in any of my previous 19 years alive. Granted, some of those were probably spent sucking my thumb rather than being interested in baseball, but you get the idea.
Well
by FinalDawn34 on Dec 15, 2005 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
as far as the run in with kent goes...
by burnone on Dec 15, 2005 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Thats hillarious.
by FinalDawn34 on Dec 15, 2005 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
None
(But that time you stuck up for me when the elephant was trying to stomp me is a different sort of event in my mind now that I know how young you are)
Haha
So, what does your girlfriend think...
(welcome!)
I'll have to tell her about Coco Crisp
by FinalDawn34 on Dec 15, 2005 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Defense?
If we don't get Thomas, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets some at bats at DH.
defense poor?
I saw this from 2002
He's a plus fielder with soft hands, a strong arm and good range
I saw this from 2003
Perez is a capable defensive shortstop who could be a star at second base. He has soft hands, a strong arm and good instincts. He has excellent range for the position
He got the knock of playing bad D
by RunRickeyRun on Dec 15, 2005 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
5 of his 9 Errors were at 3rd
by BleacherDrummer on Dec 15, 2005 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
who knows?
excellent point
by sctr76 on Dec 15, 2005 12:48 PM PST reply actions
from a dodger season ticket holder
perez
by oakfan808 on Dec 15, 2005 1:00 PM PST reply actions
i've got a fever
by burnone on Dec 15, 2005 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just like everyone else,
huh?
huh?
Perez was included by LA
Plus he was supposedly part
And check out his last year of AAA
AVE - 0.299
OBP - 0.380
SLG - 0.518
OPS - 0.898
That is sick line for a middle-infielder. He will be a great super sub at SS, 2B, and 3B (allowing Chavy some DH ABs). Great great pick up.
by dude on Dec 15, 2005 1:20 PM PST reply actions
yes...
But:
"Is there any question why Billy Beane has been pursuing him for some time now, if the published reports are correct?"
what published reports?
A few people mentioned
But it seems we hear that after every trade. Billy is persistent though just looking at the draft where we draft kids out of HS and than out of college.
He was going for perez last year
by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 15, 2005 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
^^^agreed
...you know what i mean...
by jrwolf on Dec 15, 2005 1:24 PM PST reply actions
Perez...
From watching, he appeared to be an excellent defender with a plus arm. He looked pretty good at the dish against the G's as well; if he hits like he did against the G's and more in line with his AAA numbers, a SLUG between .425-.450 isn't out of the question--and remember, he's ONLY 25.
by balldood on Dec 15, 2005 1:25 PM PST reply actions
Insurance
by jarforcefatherofforce on Dec 15, 2005 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
just a thought
Billy Beane has always seemed to go out of his way to help members of the team, players coached, and administration, to move to the next level in their careers, or a better place, even when it was a loss for the team. [see, i.e. Rick Peterson closer to home, Tim Hudson and Mark Mulder on their home town teams, Paul DePodesta given permission to interview with LA, etc]. In fact, that may not be Beane's influence but ownership. Still, I highly suspect that Paul DePodesta is looking for another oppurtunity, although there are those that would argue it would be his first, to run a MLB team. I would imagine that he would not enjoy the thought of potential employers assuming that he had used his position of confidence with his prior employer, after termination, to injure that team.
Furthermore, Beane has made great trades witout inside information. He gave up talent, and he got talent, and i think we can leave it at that.
But I have been wrong before.
by mikedaviswhereareyou on Dec 15, 2005 1:26 PM PST reply actions
There were reports that Beane was
by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 15, 2005 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Tipping hand??
My understanding is that the A's sought both of them at some point in the past, I think it helped that Depodesta is not longer with the Dodgers since he is the one who acquired both players and must have saw something in their stats he likes.
Second I think Beane probably did call him in regards to Bradleys personality and the alleged problems he caused in the club house. What ever he told Beane again I doubt if it would be considered priveledged info by anyone. But rather what is his attitude like? and is it really bad enough to cause a negative effect? In any event it helped his former organization make a deal they wanted to and get rid a player they publically said they needed drop. If Depodesta knows the players better then their scouting department they have too many problems already.
Bob
Think of it as calling Depo as a refference:
Also Beane has sought out exclusive info on things like roid use before from any source he could.
by saint @ Athletics Nation on Dec 15, 2005 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
i was always under the impression
GM's
But I think that their is a lot of decption that goes on in this business wether it is who your actually looking to Draft or which other teams and players have been offered in trades or the ones you really are after.
More like playing poker, your nice to everyone, your not cheating but your also not telling the other teams your true cards and you need to bluff sometimes to make the best of your hand.
Bob
beane says he did not talk to depo about bradley
by bringbackgallego on Dec 15, 2005 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for linking us to that
Man!! Billy sounds pumped and he gives NO indication that Bradley is going to be a problem. Milton saying "It's gonna be fun...looking forward to the opportunity" also speaks volumes to me. That sort of thing is worth a million Ray Ratto articles, maybe more...
suspicously no one mentions frank thomas' name
they even ask BB if he's going to add to the roster and he doesn't mention thomas at all. he just says that he's happy with the roster they have. he mentions that they're open to other things happening based on other teams making moves, but it does not seem like he's actively pursuing thomas anymore. i was really hoping we would get both bradley and thomas, but it doesn't seem like that will happen anymore. i hope i'm wrong.
by bringbackgallego on Dec 15, 2005 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Big Hurt
by kent1 on Dec 16, 2005 2:19 AM PST up reply actions
How would you characterize...
when he said that getting Frank Thomas would "be even better"..
???
Was he joking, or did you perceive his statement was something portending of the last piece of a plan falling in place...
just curious!!
by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 17, 2005 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
He didn't appear to be
by kent1 on Dec 18, 2005 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
to be specific he says he did not recently
Ha!
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 15, 2005 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
one correction
by vk on Dec 15, 2005 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Upside and downside
He seems to me like a player who could be anywhere from very good to totally useless. The upside has already been covered: good OBP, ability to play in the infield (and maybe Ron Washington can help him improve there), still young. The downside: poor defense (like Ginter), the offensive stats are still based on a small sample size (also like Ginter), and a poor attitude.
I've never been a big fan of Scutaro, but at this point he's pretty much a known quantity. Perez is much more of a question mark. There may still be room for both of them on the roster this year, depending on what other moves are made.
But here's the thing...
Blez -- Stop the Bad Hype
Health? That may be an issue.
Getting along with the media? That also may be an issue (mostly because those fucking leeches are just waiting for a blow upso they can get their big front page story).
But "attitude?" I posted a quote from Bradley in another diary yesterday (courtesy of the LA Times) that I think captures Bradley's attitude perfectly: "I have to win. I can't lose. I'm unhappy when I lose. It's probably why the situation in L.A. got to me the way it did. The greatest time I had was the playoff season. Everything was working. I didn't mess up any clubhouse. I came in and added to the clubhouse. I helped make the team a playoff team. I took a backseat to [Steve] Finley in center field. I bled Dodger blue. I did everything in my power. I played my knee off for the Dodgers. I did everything I could."
Gee, he sounds like a real sour puss to me. I hate having guys on my team that NEED to win. Ha!! You have it all wrong. The reason that Milton has occasional blowups is that he can't stand losing. That sounds great to me, and a nice contrast from the laissez-faire attitude of Eric Chavez...
You know who has a similar attitude to Milton: Miguel Tejada. Miguel was a similar type player, he couldn't stand losing (as is evidence by his recent tantrum in Baltimore). If Bradley made a trade demand in Baltimore, the press would be all over him like flies on shit. But because it was Miguel, the press doesn't say a thing. I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that the only reason Miguel's never had an "outburst" before is that he's NEVER PLAYED ON A LOSING TEAM. Now that he's on a losing team he's frustrated.
Same with Bradley, as long as we're winning, Bradley will be fine. So, if you think that Miguel had "attitude" problems, then you can be down on Bradley. But, if you think that Miguel's attitude problems are just a result of Baltimore's shitty ass team, then maybe you'll want to give Milton the benefit of the doubt until he actually has a "blowup."
well
bradley's only been accussed
We know there was smoke.
jeez, beating is such a strong word.
!POW! Right in the Kisser!
(as there is no sarcsm key here on my keyboard, to avoid a firestorm I'm going to go ahead and say this is a joke, and one in poor taste with a Family Guy reference.)
by FireballerHARDEN on Dec 15, 2005 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm always wary of....
by doubleplayer on Dec 15, 2005 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Skepticism
by oaklandwhat on Dec 15, 2005 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
2nd coming of Tejada
Two things that he's never done yet.
T'would be nice...
OK, that wasn't as clear as I'd like
updated by Kurkjian
by jfucsd10 @ Athletics Nation on Dec 15, 2005 4:14 PM PST reply actions
I like this trade all around
And Perez? That's terrific!
All in all a real F'n A's trade, I think.
Fans -- HA!
Fans always use the excuse: Hey, they're professional athletes, they should have think skin.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Bacause baseball players happen to be gifted at a sport that allows them to make a lot of money, they should be immune to having racist comments hurled at them all game long.
Let's revise that sentence: Hey, they're __, they should have thick skin. Replace the ___, with "doctors," "lawyers," "postal workers," "tech support employees," "record store clerks," "homeless people."
YOU COULD PUT ANY OCCUPATION IN THAT SENTENCE AND THE ARGUMENT IS JUST AS STRONG. In other words, there is absolutely no reason in the world why a baseball player's skin should be any thicker than any other person's skin.
If someone cames into my office and said: "Hey __, you dirty garlic-smelling spaghetti bending wop -- I slept with your mom last night, your wife is a whore, you're ugly and you suck at your job..." I would jump out of my chair and punch them in the face. Is there any reason why Milton Bradley, Ron Artest, etc. aren't entitled to do the same thing? I don't think so.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm tired of ill-mannered fans getting a free pass.
I think you're right, and wrong...
Pay me $7m a year...
That money buys you a lot of Kleenex to wipe your eyes with, and it's entirely dependent on you having the ballsac required to listen to fans giving you crap and let it slide regardless.
It's, like, the way the game is played. Anyone surprised by that hasn't read the script before signing up for the show.
Milton Bradley live on KNBR; next segment
by GrewUpAtTheColiseum on Dec 15, 2005 4:37 PM PST reply actions
too bad knbr streaming sucks
by greendatitiz on Dec 15, 2005 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Or Perez could be another Charles Thomas
(Cruz, Ginter, and Thomas come to mind.)
I'm confident in most of Beane's moves, and I like Bradley, but I'm not about to put my confidence in Antonio Perez just because Beane had his eye on him.
Why not?
Clearly I just pulled those #'s out of nowhere, but truly, if Beane had his eye on him, can't we assume that there's a really high % chance he'll turn out to produce in a big way given some role?
Beane's talent "eye" (read: computer, staff, knowledge of undervalued, overall intelligence) is the best in the majors... It seems to me that you should put your confidence in Perez if for no other reason than simply because Beane had his eye on him.
And no, this isn't trusting Beane blindly... Well, not too blindly anyway. In fact, it's mostly just relying on the percentages -- Oakland tends to win at a very solid rate even in rebuilding/decline years, and if one looks at W/L records over the past several years, Beane is simply the best. And it is rarely a bad decision to go with and trust in the best.
clearly
Just this last year, we've got Ginter and Thomas who didn't work out. The year before that there were Rhodes and Karros. Were there 36 other new acquisitions in the last two years who did work out? I don't think so.
Clearly,
"Clearly I just pulled those #'s out of nowhere, but truly, if Beane had his eye on him, can't we assume that there's a really high % chance he'll turn out to produce in a big way given some role?"
I even say that those numbers are pulled from nowhere, just random #'s used to make a point.
How can you be so sure that Thomas and Ginter didn't work out? It was the first year. But of course, you must be 100% right, it's absolutely impossible to deal them for a different player that might be useful, it's impossible for them to rebound, it's not even thinkable that they are doing exactly what BB had hoped they would do (i.e. a potential power slugger vs. lefties and a good defensive and running 4th/5th OF should one of our talented-but-oft-injured bunch go down)
Thomas is 26. Why are you so adamant that he has no higher ceiling than what he's reached? In fact, last year was a huge off year for him as he switched to the AL -- his normal career OBP (MLB + Minors) was about 360. Not bad for a speedy, quality D OF. You're telling me that after one year, at the age of 26, he has no chance to be quality?
For Rhodes we managed to get an all-star catcher who, like Thomas, had a tough time adjusting to the AL. However, that does not mean he won't rebound, and even if he does, Kendall's other assets have been hashed and rehashed enough that I don't feel the need to go over them... That's an argument for another diary. However, it cannot be argued that Kendall is a detriment to the team, or at least as much a detriment as other catchers are. Kendall helps develop pitching staff, gets on base at a usually solid rate (off year last year) and his refusal to strike out last year could very well mean a return to form in OBP in the future -- he still has his eye.
With each of Billy's acquisitions, you must look at the whole, not the parts of the puzzle. Does a steering wheel make much sense when looked at independently from a car? No, it just looks like a circular object with no apparent purpose. However, with a car, it becomes the key component to keeping the whole afloat. Such are BB's acquisitions -- for each part, look at the whole, which includes: A) the player himself certainly, B) anyone Billy got for the player, and most importantly, C) the success of the team a whole as far as wins and losses. BB's been the king of that last category for as long as he's been GM, and that last category is truly what is important.
Certainly BB's acquisitions do not always turn out as planned. Just as certainly, they work out for him at a much higher % in some way, shape, or form than other GM's acquisitions work out for them.
That was my point.
Chill, dude
Yes, of course, I understand that Charles Thomas is still young, and the Rhodes trade was semi-salvaged by turning it into Kendall, but come on, you don't really think those guys produced for Oakland?
Billy has a great record with trades, but he doesn't score a hit 9 times out of 10.
Agree
I am not sure if his average is better then most or not, but he does 1) have plan on why certain players should improve the team and he follows that plan. unlike some teams who just do not appear to have any rhyme or reason why they acquired a certain player. 2) He also has a sabrmetric system in place which indicates how many wins a player is worth and he sticks with his system. 3) If it does not work out he will usually find away to cut his losses and move on. 4) most of his acquisitions are low investmensts to begin with so there is a lot of risk involved, (i.e. Thomas he is a throw in player who could pan out and pay huge dividends but he also is not eating up resources)
Bob
by ogallalabob on Dec 16, 2005 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Perez's D
I'm a Dodger fan. Came over hoping to find a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth over losing Ethier; oh well. Perez put up decent numbers, and looked good doing it, at the plate, but his defense looked awful. Granted, he was playing 3B for the first time, but it was pretty ugly at 2B, too. FWIW, one of the guys at Dodger Thoughts (remember Steve?) started calling him Darth Offerman (after Jose Offerman, who holds the LA Dodger's single season record for errors recorded).
Also, he took a pitch off the face, in the Carribean league a couple weeks ago, so he could start off the year injured.
Anyway, good luck next year. A lot of us are going to be pulling pretty hard for Bradley to finally get it together.
by bokonon42 on Dec 16, 2005 12:52 AM PST reply actions
Idiots you all can be!
It is all about Crosby and Harden. Two young men with the heart and dash to be young World Series Team winners.
Don't forget that it is all about "leaders" standing up to be addressed.
by baseballbill on Dec 16, 2005 1:07 AM PST reply actions
guys
scutaro = man love
by scosco on Dec 17, 2005 2:28 AM PST reply actions
Perez IS an attitude problem
In early 2005, Perez virtually was guaranteed of having four AB a night for the Dodgers if he only was willing to try 3B. He said he didn't want to play there, and only after a hamstring injury sent him to the minors on a rehab assignment did he reconsider playing there. What player would turn down the chance to start every day?
Perez is a good contact hitter who will take a lot of pitches, but he is NO super-sub. His glove is poor, and he likely would not have made the Dodgers' team out of spring training.
That being said, good luck to your team. May they beat the Angels. Their bandwagoning fans are annoying.
by elysianpark62 on Dec 19, 2005 3:00 PM PST reply actions

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