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Reaction on the Bradley Deal

A day after the deal, and the media reaction is pouring in.

From the LA Times and World's Biggest Tool nominee (he has MY vote) Bill Plaschke to perennial misanthrope Ray Ratto, the prevailing opinion seems to be the same.

People will just wait for Bradley to go berserk.  For me, that becomes a very dangerous situation because people are constantly poking and prodding you, hoping to set that dynamite off.  Thankfully, the media in the Bay Area is largely nonconfrontational.  It's downright pacifist compared to the media in Los Angeles where a once proud sports section has turned into New York tabloid West.  Yes, I'm looking at you, Los Angeles Times.

Now, most of this is obviously Bradley's own doing.  When you let your anger control you and act out in such public fashion, people will inevitably label you as ticking time bomb.  The truth is that perhaps Bradley will be nitroglycerin in the A's clubhouse.  Shake it too hard and watch out.  But perhaps the laid back, card-playing, camaraderie-filled A's clubhouse is the perfect solution for what ails Bradley.  Better yet, perhaps his explosive, I desperately want to win personality will infect the A's.

Regardless, it's going to be a situation to carefully monitor.  I get the feeling that Ken Macha doesn't always deal well with the problem players.

Oh, and one final thing.  Had Paul DePodesta made this deal, I imagine Plaschke would've been crying how the "computer geek" got taken to school by "only" getting a prospect for two major leaguers.  Yep, Biggest Tool on the Planet.

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Blez,
You forgot to mention he's a new father. Having a child should keep him grounded and sane for a while.

by sf drift king on Dec 14, 2005 10:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

That is true
I haven't thrown a bottle at anyone since Maya was born.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 14, 2005 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

but...
has Maya thrown hers back at you?
Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 14, 2005 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blez!
You used to throw bottles before Maya was born!

Maya or no, remind me never to go drinking with you, ever.  ;)

"Damn kids" -Ron Flores

by secret ASian man on Dec 15, 2005 2:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

how is it...
...that fatherhood supposedly makes men sane, while motherhood has the opposite effect on women?

Or is that just me?

;)

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me," Beane told Forst.

by Poppy on Dec 14, 2005 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Because mom's do all the work?
Just a guess.
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Dec 14, 2005 10:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought women were crazy from birth?
C'mon Billy, make it Hurt so good.

by As Man on Dec 14, 2005 9:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So explain:
Fatherhood has changed Barry Bonds how?

by MobiusKlein on Dec 14, 2005 10:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Bradley is going to be in Oakland
that is, if Beane doesn't flip him to another team, then Beane and Macha have to immediately get Bradley in and let him know that he is on a short leash.

Bradley has to be told that there is a zero-tolerance policy for clubhouse cancer behavior.

by socal on Dec 14, 2005 10:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think thats the wrong message
to send to guys like Bradley.  Just let him do what he does best:  play baseball.  

He should get a fresh start.

Bill Stoneman is about to be offered three seasons of a right-handed version of Vladimir Guerrero - Rev Halofan

by pickinmachine on Dec 14, 2005 10:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

couldn't agree more
just let him play and treat him as just another player, which is exactly what he is unless something happens.
Teaching Macha Tae Kwon Do since 1981.

by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed too...
I think singling him out this early would be a very bad strategy
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree to the fresh start
But if he goes off on someone he's history.
I don't hate, I just respond aggressively to stupidity

by grover on Dec 14, 2005 5:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I completely disagree:
This is a chance for him to grow up and be the MAN that his son needs him to be.

Children change us in many wonderful ways. Heck if I were Billy or Ken I would take the high road on such conversations.

Kendall, Kotsay and Barry will iron him out if needbe.

Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste." -Tug McGraw

by saint on Dec 14, 2005 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I think you give trust..
You don't declare how hard it will be with "zero tolerance".

I think the A's players and Kotsay in particular have it right.  No rules about "No...."  be accepting of everyone.  Bradley hasn't fulminated against another player, and like he said, he's still in contact with guys on the Cleveland club.

The A's have rules, like "starting pitcher picks the pre-game clubhouse music".  You think that'll rub Bradley the wrong way??!!

Tejada didn't run out a groundball, and he was removed from a game.  Did we trade him? No.  Bradley doesn't do it in Spring Training, and gets traded!  I think such incidents need to create lasting results in the reaction.  But not the kind that Wedge and Cleveland did.

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." Beane to Forst at GM winter meetings.

by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 14, 2005 1:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bill Plaschke is
what's known as a "five-tool" columnist: he has all the wit and wisdom of five world-class tools.
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Dec 14, 2005 10:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Word
That's probably the funniest thing written here since last wednesday. Good show.
Network Associates Stadium: Former home of the 'Fear Mecir' sign.

by dboysick on Dec 14, 2005 12:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Buster Olney on ESPN Radio...
Said he thought the deal was a good gamble for the A's as they way they are set up, they can risk a Bradley blowup and it would not the team as it did in LA since he was the main guy there.

Olney also said he sees the A's are the best defensive team in the American Leagues, esp with three CF's in the OF.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 10:34 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

A word of caution ...
Just because all of the biggest idiots in sports journamalism are opposed to this deal doesn't necessarily mean that we should more valiantly defend Virgin Billy's honor.

I mean, I like the deal myself. But we risk caricaturing ourselves as Beaneiacs with this and the whole ECMB puling.

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 10:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

not directed at you ...
... but at "us" in general -- myself included.

I'm not disagreeing at all with your points about espn and the Splaschke 600, but the aggrieved-A's-and-WC-fans-in-general thing I find kinda tiresome. And, again, I'm as susceptible to indulging in it as anyone here.

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing to consider...
The only beef Milton had last year was with Kent, who is a total ass himself. I think (Hope)he'll be fine.
"I try to figure this team out, and if I could, I'd be a genius," Mark Ellis

by Little Lebowski Urban Achievers on Dec 14, 2005 10:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kent a total ass
I'm assuming you're refering to Jeff Kent.  If so, I totally agree.  Otherwise, the Kents of the world have a problem with you.
Green and Gold since '73. #1712

by kent1 on Dec 15, 2005 1:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree about
Jeff Kent, too. But be careful or you'll even have the Ken's of the world having a wee bit of difficulty with you!

One of the moments I was proudest of my name was when Bill King said (paraphrasing), "I ken their (the coaching staff's) decision." Dang, that man could use the English language.

Thank You Bill...
Go A's

by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 3:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kent lied to his team!!!!!!!!!!!!
Recall the motorcycle incident.....Coletti had a front row seat to that fiasco. Kent lied to Giants management, fans and players that didn't know the real deal until plain folks who saw it told the press. The Giants spanked him a little. Kent got in a fight with Bonds - shoving in the dugout.
I think the Dodgers picked their brand of cancer.

Old Ned could have gotten more for Kent than a AA prospect........and they have to move Kent to 1b were he isn't very good because he is a dead slow 2b.

by Carerra on Dec 15, 2005 6:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Clubhouse
While it is always a concern to add one of these "TO, Artest" type players to the clubhouse, the current A's arent children (they are close, but not quite).  If Milton can't adjust, too bad, but I dont see how it can destroy the clubhouse.  I feel the A's can only gain from this move, especially if Milton can stay injury free.

No one heard anything out of Carl Everett last year.  And they won the WS with him batting in the middle of the line up.

I'm even looking forward to some spark out of Milton.  A lot of us here at AN were crying for Chavez and Macha to show some fire last year.  I'm not saying Milton should throw bottles at people, but some emotion would be nice.

Bill Plashke is a huge idiot.  

Teaching Macha Tae Kwon Do since 1981.

by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 10:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

That was my first thought
He definitley brings a dynamic we haven't had in a while. Kotsay, Kendall -even though he sucks, Swish....we're putting together a squad of gamers. I'm excited.
I'll try not to swear.

by Tony on Dec 14, 2005 10:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley was wrong to throw the bottle back
into the stands. (Unlike Francisco, at least he didn't hit anybody...and he was disciplined for it.) But I don't blame him for being pissed that fans threw it on the field during a game in his direction.

by OaklandSi on Dec 14, 2005 2:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can't think of anything else...
after the word "berserk".

My love for you is like a truck, Berserker...

Ahem. Continue on.

by Jennifer on Dec 14, 2005 11:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

nice "clerks" reference
My love for you is ticking clock, Berserker...
"Baseball is 90% mental - the other half is physical." - Yogi Berra

by rockit on Dec 14, 2005 11:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the reference too
that's one of the funniest single comedies of all time.  I love Randal.  He has to be the funniest character in a movie.

Salsa shark.

F'n pervert.

Oooooo, Navy Seals.

Blasphemy.  All Jedi had was a bunch of muppets.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 14, 2005 12:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

<hugs>
"My girlfriend's sucked 37 <censored>!"

"In a row?"

We exchange names for Xmas in our office, right? Well, last year I got an electric cheese grater. (I don't know anyone in the world that grates so much cheese that they need an electric cheese grater.) This year, the same person got my name. I told them I'd like the Clerks X DVD... we'll see if I get it.

by Jennifer on Dec 14, 2005 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whilst wearing rubber gloves...
which I do all the time anyway...
"HRs by second basemen are sexy. They're rare and exotic." -Kyli

by McFood on Dec 14, 2005 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps Jennifer should ask ...
... Jason Kendall to grate her electric cheese (hm; wait -- that sounds like a euphemism, don't it?) -- because he seems to be awfully well grounded ...
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Whilst..."?
Art thou speaking the Queen's English, suffering the remaining effects of a childhood deprived from World English, or just Puttin' On Airs!?

Rubber Gloves are, of course, worn by 1st, 2nd, & 3rd basemen to ensure the highest degree of Safe Sacks.

Thank You Bill...
Go A's

by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 3:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Safe Sacks"...Ha ha!
Shouldn't the pitcher and catcher be even more concerned?
"HRs by second basemen are sexy. They're rare and exotic." -Kyli

by McFood on Dec 15, 2005 11:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ah, randal...
r:  "i love gatherings"

d:  "but you hate people!"

r:  "i know.  isn't it ironic?"

"Baseball is 90% mental - the other half is physical." - Yogi Berra

by rockit on Dec 14, 2005 5:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dId he say Making fuck?
That quote brought me back to college.  Thanks!
"I try to figure this team out, and if I could, I'd be a genius," Mark Ellis

by Little Lebowski Urban Achievers on Dec 14, 2005 10:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Olbermann thinks A's are done....
Bradley is just that poisonous.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 11:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wow...
He doesnt know what A's were thinking and thinks it is mind boggling.

Should be interesting.....I can see it going either way.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 11:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Where is Olbermann now any way?
I haven't heard from him since he was on MSNBC.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 14, 2005 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's still on TV every night on Countdown.
But he does the Dan Patrick with Dan for an hour every morning.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Olbermann on Dan Patrick ESPN Radio at 11 AM daily
He sits in with Dan Patrick on the radio (Sirius carries it on channel 120 daily 10 AM to 1 PM. Olbermann is usually on 11AM to noon with good comments and observations for the most part.
Morada Mudshark

by Morada Mudshark on Dec 14, 2005 8:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, shit
I guess I'll just cancel my season tickets, then.
I'll try not to swear.

by Tony on Dec 14, 2005 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Although his team is doing terribly, it is not his
fault, it is the QB, but right on the same field is the a guy who was supposed to be 10 times worse than TO, and we haven't heard one peep from him, although the cameras have seen him yelling at himself, and they say he is ready to revolt.  Most players with that type of fire, if you let them vent, leave them alone, they will calm themselves down.

by theblackpearl on Dec 14, 2005 11:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

bit of a rant
I usually get so annoyed with media responses to anything that seems out of the ordinary in the world of sports.  My two favorite teams are the A's and SJ Sharks, and as I'm sure many of you are well aware of, the Sharks just added Joe Thornton.  The imidiate national response from the media was that "joe is no messiah, sj will not get a messiah, joe is no messiah, blah blah blah".  The fact that SJ was NOT looking for a messiah was never entered into the equation.  The sharks are happy with their young leaders, and this was purely a hockey move as SJ needed more offense, as simple as that.  and it's working.

Why can't the baseball world see this for a baseball move, because it is primarily what it is.  The A's just added major league talent to their team while losing only a prospect, THIS should be the foccus of the trade.  If the move works from a baseball point of view, it'll work itself out and the talking heads will stop talking about it because it wont be interesting anymore.

Teaching Macha Tae Kwon Do since 1981.

by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 11:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Because it sells newspapers
Bradley could hit .300, slug .500, hit 25 dingers, and play a terrific outfield for a championship team and they'll still want to harp on any sort of tantrum he throws because it is a sexier story.
"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on Dec 14, 2005 11:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I know you are right, but it is just so annoying.  
Teaching Macha Tae Kwon Do since 1981.

by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Misanthrope?
I looked it up.  I very, very occasionally read Ray.

He seems like a good guy to me.  I missed the imbroglio surronding him last year.

Susan Slusser stood up for him at AN bbq.  An' she's fine people, best as they come.

I think if you had a beer with Ray the adjective might be different; I really have no idea.  It's just that I wouldn't judge a man just from the work that appears in print, is all.

by paradox on Dec 14, 2005 11:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Beane himself has an anger problem
It's just that he's done his flipouts in front of smaller audiences (who knows what he'd have done if he'd actually attained star status as a player?). So maybe he sees some of himself in Bradley and figures "Hey, he'll keep his cool duct-taped together enough to function, just like I have!" I sure hope so.

I've opften thought it's interesting how Beane's chair-throwing rages are interpreted as the admirable passion of a take-no-prisoners/success-oriented/iconoclastic rebel. He has "passion"... he has "heart"... but in fact, it sounds like he's just got a bad temper.

"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 14, 2005 11:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Continuing The Rant
I am with speedracer on this trade. Let's evaluate this from a baseball perspective. Ethier had a nice season at Midland. However, that is not a good predictor of ML performance -- refer to Adam Piatt. I suspect Ethier's upside is at best Bradley current performance. I think the media types look for the senational angle. As the say -- "if it bleeds it reads, if it thinks it stinks."

There are questions about Bradley's behavior. The fact that he couldn't get along with Jeff Kent is probably a plus. A lot of the other stuff makes him risky and thats why he was available.The potential reward appears to exceed the risk. Media types seem to protect players they have an affinity for. We never know the whole story. Imagine the flap that would ahve been raised if an A's player had been involved in alcohol caused snowmobile accident which endangered the life of his child. Wait a minute. Carney Lansford did that. Imagine if Ricky or Jose pulled a stunt like that.

by NoeValley on Dec 14, 2005 11:54 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Haha...
You say this like the thing with Kent is his ONE negative thing.  Give me a break.  Bradley's rep is NOT the media's fault, he has built it all by himself.  This is on him, not a media blowup.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes correct
You are right in saying it is Milton's fault for him having a bad rep.  He is not a media creation, but the medial does play it ONLY that way, which is what I think noeValley was trying to say with his continuation of the rant.  Milton CANT hurt from a baseball perspective, he can only help, and this is the side of the trade that SHOULD be covered by the media.  Hell if he's that big of a cancer, the current players should be able to group together and avoid him altogether, not that i think that will happen, but these guys arent 5 year olds and ultra fragile.  They'll be fine, as as long as Milton hits, the whole team will be better.
Teaching Macha Tae Kwon Do since 1981.

by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 12:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, Bradley's at Fault
But the media also has a responsibility to act professionally. It goes both ways. Right now it feels like a lot of reporters are circling Bradley with pointed sticks. Jab! Jab! Ooohh, does he have a temper? Jab! Jab! Do you think he will erupt?

Slusser's article was good (Ratto I won't speak of) but I thought the Chron's picture of Bradley throwing the balls was a stupid choice. (Welcome to the Bay Area, Milton!) By chosing that picture they were going with pure sensationalism.

by SportySpice on Dec 14, 2005 12:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, Pudge threw alot more than that
when he got tossed out of a game last summer in Oakland.

by OaklandSi on Dec 14, 2005 2:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly!
I was there and everyone seemed to think it was funny and not some horrible character meltdown.

by SportySpice on Dec 14, 2005 3:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love Plaschke
I read the LA Times everyday, and I must say that not only do I enjoy reading Plaschke's article I love it when he takes a stand on something - because it usually ends uo going the other way. He is a good fluffy, feature/profile writer, but when he tries to get into speculative or critical sports journalism it blows up in his face.
Back in 1999 he wrote a huge piece on how LA had become a Bruin football town, and that USC is relegated to second citizen status, with little to no chance of recapturing their old legacy...since then SC has beaten UCLA 6 straight times, and are currently chasing their third consecutive championship. He pined for Beltre, and luckily the Dodgers didn't sign him - because we know what he did in Seatlle last year. And now he is on the Coletti/Grady bandwagon, which means that they are due to implode. And more importantly for the A's he denounced Milton Bradley, basically saying that his extraction will do nothing but help the Dodgers on the field. From his previous track record, I would say that Milton is due to not only be an All-Star, but capture a few MVP's over the next few years, as his guides the A's to the Series. So for this - I say thank you Bill, and in your next column, please bash BB and his computer geek ways, and keep on touting the bringing back of old school to LA, it could only work wonders for us...

by SD Erik on Dec 14, 2005 12:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

hah, that's great stuff
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 14, 2005 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good piece of writing!
You may be on to something with this analysis of Bill Plaschke.  Sounds like a great "reverse-o-meter"!

Sounds like Ray Ratto and his "A's won't get sixty wins" bit.

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." Beane to Forst at GM winter meetings.

by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 14, 2005 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This Clubhouse needs a fire-starter...
Who else is gonna stand up for our ballpark when Pudge Rod throws equipment on it?
Jim Essian: The only Oakland Athletic to hit an Inside the Park Grand Slam.

by OaktownRajah on Dec 14, 2005 12:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Listening to TJ Simers on XTRA 570
And he with Vic the Brick are bashing the trade from the Dodgers perspective, and are beaming about the gamble that BB and the A's made. Say that he is a potential superstar, and TJ said he interviewed hime numerous times (as he covers the Dodgers on a regular basis) and said that his personality is nowhere near as abrasive as Kevin Brown or Jeff Kent. TJ said that he asked him if he would ever understand Milton, and Milton replied with probably not, but then again I hope that you understand my desire to win, and the way I show it on the field...I thought that was a pretty good response, and if he has that attitude he can and will be fantastic...

by SD Erik on Dec 14, 2005 12:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

TJ Simers = The Village Idiot.
Man, he's awful.  Not on this exact issue, but in general....Local sports people here really suck..The radio guys unlistenable (Not a word).
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

they are the worst
The only one I find mildy not "unlistenable" is Hacksaw.  But he knows nothing as well.

by homerozzieandthestraw on Dec 14, 2005 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's an understatement
Crackpipe, errrr, "Hacksaw" knows less about sports than any drunken blowhard you'll ever meet in a sports bar.  When he is mildly entertaining, it is only in the same sense that drunken sports bar blowhards are sometimes mildly entertaining.

by socal on Dec 14, 2005 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

TJ Simers, not exactly an idiot
When I was a journalism student, I had the opportunity to meet with him on numerous occasions. He covers sports with a light approach because he is firm on the stance that sports are entertainment, and that is what he does with his columns, makes them entertaining. He realizes that athletes are adults that are being rewarded handsomely to play a child's game, and that what happens on the field is not life and death. He is not reporting, he writes columns, and is not afraid to call these athletes out. TJ is constantly called out by LA fans for not being enough of a homer, and for not cutting local guys slack. He tries to rile up these guys, it's what he does - but he somehow built a rapport with MB, even when he tried to antagonize him, MB wouldn't take the bait. I find his columns entertaining, especially since he rips on Plaschke on a regular basis. Remember he doesn't report the news, he comments on it based on his perspective...and many people including yourself consider him an idiot - but I think he actually gets it. And one thing that he definitely gets is that the A's made out with two MLB players, one of which has the tools to become a true star, for one Minor Leaguer...That is what I consider a good deal no matter, who reports it, or how it's reported.

by SD Erik on Dec 14, 2005 1:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perez may be the sleeper in this deal
Picking up Perez, who lead the LA Dodgers in batting last season, was great move on Billy's part. He can play all infield positions and hits very well. He would be a starter on many MLB teams if given the chance.
Morada Mudshark

by Morada Mudshark on Dec 14, 2005 8:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN not worth $$ - go to better source
ESPN insider is not worth the fee.

There are better sources out there.

For instance, this from Bob Klapisch of the Bergen Register (North N.J.)

NEWS ITEM: A's trade for Milton Bradley.

There were factions within the Yankee front office that argued passionately on behalf of Bradley, insisting he would solve the team's center field crisis. But Cashman resisted, equally convinced the volatile Bradley would combust in this market.

Whether or not the GM was right is now moot, as the A's acquired Bradley and infielder Antonio Perez for outfield prospect Andre Ethier.

This is a coup for A's GM Billy Beane, who adds an All-Star caliber outfielder while giving up very little. The A's can now dangle Mark Kotsay in front of the Yankees, even though his no-trade powers would have to be waived.

Beane's ability to pull off this swap is even more impressive considering he left the winter meetings early last week, flying to Washington to have lunch with Newt Gingrich and Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mellman on successive days.

link: http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNjgmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY4Mzg3MzUm eXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2
     (note:  Klapisch seems to be pretty straight up when it comes to sports coverage.
             This same article has some pretty good content on the Yanks
             positioning for Garciaparra and Damon)

P.S.  How about the Beene and Kotsay content to start some Hot Stove fury here on AN !!!

by Bleed Green on Dec 14, 2005 12:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ironically enough
Bob Klapisch used to write for espn.com. So it goes.

by spoiltvictorianchild on Dec 14, 2005 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He still does
Klapisch still does write for espn.com.  Many of the writer are only part time at espn.com and have a "real" job working for a newspaper.  Brian Murphy (late of the SF comical) writes for page 2 on espn.com and did so when he was at the comical.

by skwid on Dec 14, 2005 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard that Beane will receive
Rove, DeLay, and two Republicans to be named later.  Beane has found that indicted Republicans are undervalued this year.
"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on Dec 14, 2005 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaaaaaa
Best comment of the entire thread right there.
Teaching Macha Tae Kwon Do since 1981.

by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno about "undervalued" ...
... "underhanded," maybe ... but certainly not "underfunded" ...
@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

heehee!
hahahahaha! applause

by ChickenStanley on Dec 14, 2005 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can see it now
Press Briefing, 2025

President Beane, can you explain the trade of Maine for Alberta?
You can never have too much oil, and we felt that lobster was overvalued in the current market.

What kind of future do you envision for post-war Iran?
My shit doesn't work in the reconstruction phase.

How do you respond to allegations that your administration's interrogation tactics are unconstitutional?
I'm going to leave that determination to Chief Justice Hatteberg and the other members of the court.

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." - Billy Beane

by andeux on Dec 14, 2005 2:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Scott Hatteberg = Harriet Miers
Pure cronyism in both cases.

I can't wait for Hatteberg's document dump to the Senate, with all his mash notes to Billy about his being "the bestestest GM, like, ever!"

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we're not calling it reconstructing...
...we're calling it 'RELOADING'...
"You can't get any more 'Oakland' than the Coliseum. Get any more 'Oakland' and you're in San Leandro!" -Random Drunk Bum at Game

by rungood on Dec 14, 2005 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

quality humor
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 14, 2005 7:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mr. President, a question and a follow-up
Did you or anyone in your administration leak to reporters that Bill Plaschke's wife was an undercover agent for the DEA?

And my follow-up: Are you or anyone in your administration behind the effort to have the WaPo's online sports column "A's Clubhouse Briefing" by Dan Froomkin re-titled?

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 8:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dang
I love AN!
Thank You Bill...
Go A's

by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 3:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Beaniacs?
Its hard for A's fans to trust ourselves because so many disagree with our philosophy, but I think we shouldnt be questioning ourselves and claiming that we are under beanes spell and all that nonsense when the stats are consistent. This trade is a steal. The A's just took two .360 obp guys for one (overated) prospect (that many liked because of a hot fall league, but mostly his cool name). How many of our starting lineup had a 360 obp last year? Obviously, its not that simple, because the stat that is much harder to define is Bradleys temper. Nonetheless, we arent cultist crazed A's fans because we stick to the stats, and the stats say we made our team a lot better. The level of intelligence that the media portrays is the very reason that the A's are allowed to succeed in the 1st place. Keep everyone else dumb.

by SwisherSweet on Dec 14, 2005 12:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Reaction from Halo's Heaven
Paranoia reigns supreme down south...

"Part of me thinks the Dodgers did this trade to fuck with us, but if the prospect pans out, then we can in a paranoid reversal blame Billy Beane for screwing with our marketshare mojo." --Rev Halofan

They are manic I tell you, manic.

"Macha, Howe...whatever." --salb918

by BruceBochte on Dec 14, 2005 1:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

ewww what is that smell
oh, it's the smell of angels fans.  gross.
"Oakland is home, and you always want to go home. Anytime you get the chance, you're happy to go home." - #24 Rickey Henderson

by burnone on Dec 14, 2005 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There is something in the water!
I have been thinking about this a lot for the last couple days, as many of you have been. But I have started to think that maybe Bradley's issues were not as bad as they were made out to be. And even if they were, there is a good chance that things will be very different here in Oakland.
  1. As we have proven over and over again, just in the last 24 hours, the media is a mess. (Ok, I just made myself a little sick by admitting such a thing since I was a media major, but it needed to be said.) We have seen how they get facts wrong, they blow things way out of perportion and most of the time, talking heads are just talking out of their ass. So really, how much of what we know about Bradley's issues are based on fact? How much of it was the LA media market having a field day with a tiny story? How many of these facts are just wrong?
  2. There is something interesting about the vibe of the Bay Area that you just don't get in other markets. Payton himself mentioned time and time again how fans here are just more forgiving and more laid back than on the East Coast. Don't get me wrong, we are roudy and can be rather insane at times, but most of the fans in Oakland are more knowledgable and have more respect for the MEN who play the game than fans in other parts of the country. We understand that those are PEOPLE out there and we need to see beyond the exterior. We look at more than just what happened last night or even in the last play. We look at the man and value what we know is possible and what he has proven over time. We don't ridicule him for making one bad play or having one off night, because we know that is not all there is. Other markets don't see it in such a big-picture sort of context.
  3. The clubhouse vibes reflect their fans in many ways. They are laid back and carefree. They know that winning is important and they WANT to win, but they know that they have to have a good attitude in order to get that winning done. They stay loose and just go out there and try to have a good time. They realize that, yes, it took hard work and determination to get to this level, but it is also a privilage to be there. And they know they are some of the luckiest guys around!
In conclusion, I think that all these good vibes will most likely rub off on Bradley and will help be some sort of calming influence on him. He may be a firecracker, but the media made him sound like a bomb! And what ever fire is in him, might just be tamed by the spirits and Zen like qualities of the guys who he will be joining in the clubhouse.
"Happy Holiday's Billy Beane!" - Mychael Urban

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Dec 14, 2005 1:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

the media
Two straight "headline" posts about the media. Hey, I'll agree it's interesting to see what these kids have to say (or in the case of ESPN, not have to say)... but seriously, who cares?? Fact of the matter is, you're not going to love everything that's put out there. And, if you've already established that you don't like some of these guys, why do you continue reading or watching them?

I'll agree that the media deserves scrutiny, and a hell of a lot of it. But these are columnists we're talking about, not reporters. Frankly, they're just know-it-all schmucks like you and me. Oh yeah ok they're also schmucks that happen to be read by a bunch of other schmucks -- but oh wait, we're one of those schmucks reading what they write too!

Look, any publicity is good publicity. You really don't like what they say? Ignore them. Great thing about the modern age, is that there are alternatives. Don't like the major newspapers? Read the mlb website. Don't like the mlb website? Read a sports blog. Don't like a sports blog? Read another one...

Which is all really to say... cheer up! Why let these kids drag you down?

by hunger on Dec 14, 2005 1:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

and by the way...
How many hits do you think athleticsnation sent over to those articles today? Like, you want more people to read that crap?

by hunger on Dec 14, 2005 1:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eat Some Crow, LA Media
Lest us not forget the last week's rumored deal from the LA media was... Zito for Bradley.
This signing demonstrates the wide disparity between Beane and everybody else. I posted before http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/12/9/111555/743/22#22
that it was very weird for Billy himself to be talking so much about signing Frank that early in the process. You don't drive up competition for your signing prospect before you conusmate the deal.  But, by putting up this Thomas smokescreen, he drove the Dodger's price down to Ethier for Bradley and Perez.  That's risky, but incredibly crafty. No wonder the Repubs wanted some of his time. Beane spins the media better than the Carlyle Group. I just hope he doesn't help them too much.
ProActiv Solution: It moisturizes my situation, perserves my sexy. ? -P. Diddy

by Dig the Long Ball on Dec 14, 2005 1:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of the Carlyle Group
Anyone who hasn't seen this, should.

Google:
"Peter Chung" "Carlyle Group"

Which yields this result:
http://www.hereinreality.com/chung.htm

Peter Chung's email to his college buddies from Korea, sent on his work email account.  Needless to say, since this was a mass email, it made the rounds in New York and even found it's way into the New Yorker!

In his own words:
Laters, CHUNG

"You can't get any more 'Oakland' than the Coliseum. Get any more 'Oakland' and you're in San Leandro!" -Random Drunk Bum at Game

by rungood on Dec 14, 2005 4:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

SWEET TRADE!
The highly talented malcontents like Bradley are only a problem on losing teams.  Since the A's will likely make the World Series in 2006, I don't expect to hear a peep from Bradley.  The only possible problem is if Bradley whines about not playing CF.  But it's hard to imagine him complainging too much given Kotsay's talent level.  Also don't expect Beane to trade Kotsay.  We need the depth considering the injury history of Kotsay and Bradley.

by Bearcat on Dec 14, 2005 1:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good points
Players just want to play, no one is at this level without a keen desire to get on the field, and to show disappointment when they cannot.

It is often said that "team chemistry" is unimportant if your winning, and creates over-achieving in teams with lesser talent.

I think the A's have the right attitude going into this.  

I'm guessing Scutaro is going to be gone.  Which teams need a good SS/2nd baseman?

Okay, Scutaro and Saarloos for Dontrelle Willis!

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." Beane to Forst at GM winter meetings.

by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 14, 2005 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I just keep thinking...
Baron Davis.

by richwol on Dec 14, 2005 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

did you see those...
two plays by Baron last night?  Whoa.  

by CyZito on Dec 15, 2005 6:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wolf /New Ownership Group
Does anyone else think that Wolf gave Beane more financial room this year to make a splash as a new owner and more importantly to win a series now in order to grease the wheels of city hall to get the new stadium deal done?  Especially if the A's add Thomas with no subtractions.  This would be the deepest team I have seen in years from the A's.

by Slide Jeremy on Dec 14, 2005 1:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not so much Wolfe as Fischer
I think perhaps more money from Fischer is the key.
I think he did.
Wolfe says he "bleeds green and gold", shows up for a lot of home games, even took batting practice.  If he had a means he certainly added $$$.

I am a bit surprised by his idea of dealing with dozens of owners of property  to get his stadium/housing/redevelopment done.  Just seems like an unnecessary headache.  oh well, Wolfe is the professional developer, I am not.

"Don't go getting all Alexander Haig on me, either." Beane to Forst at GM winter meetings.

by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 14, 2005 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps "bleeds green and gold"
refers to the cash (green) and gold (the commodity, not the color, figuratively speaking) that he's invested (read: bled) in the team...(?)
"You can't get any more 'Oakland' than the Coliseum. Get any more 'Oakland' and you're in San Leandro!" -Random Drunk Bum at Game

by rungood on Dec 14, 2005 4:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BUAN on MLB Radio in a few minutes
I"m writing this at 2:11 pm - mlb radio - free with an internet connection at mlb.com

by giambizombie on Dec 14, 2005 2:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

There are worse cancers than anger/aggressiveness
Even though they don't get as much pub.  Try laziness (a label that worries me about Esteban), or selfishness (moreso in hoops - But what about Dotel's decision to get the surgery last yr?).

No one complains about an A-hole who plays balls out to win. I'm sure we'd have taken Jeff Kent for Ethier too.  And AJ Pierzynski is a huge in Chicago after getting shipped out of Minny/San Fran.

I think cleaning the slate, and giving Milton a team that can win every night out, in many different ways might I add, will suit him just fine.

If not, I'll just pretend like we never had Ethier in the first place and welcome in our other prospects.  I think Billy could be fine doing the same.

"I'm so green and gold that I hang on every pitch, not just every game." - Lew Wolff

by BleacherDrummer on Dec 14, 2005 2:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Beane has always said that in trades:
He looks at what he has received over what he has given up. No regrets.

Two of the problems that arose with Bradley were that he didn't run out a pop up that fell in (He was shipped to LA 5 days later) and Kent got on him for not hustling.

Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste." -Tug McGraw

by saint on Dec 14, 2005 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

kent's a jackass
and he knew milton was playing with a torn patellar tendon. to call him out in public (and then call him an idiot on top of it) for not hustling when he's already playing hurt is pretty lame. just cause kent thought milton should have scored from second on a particular play (which is a questionable proposition to begin with) isn't exactly proof that bradley wasn't hustling.

if anything, kent probably just wanted the RBI.

by vishal on Dec 14, 2005 3:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's face it
we all know what we're getting in Bradley. Where there's smoke there is usually fire.  He IS a problem, and he IS a talented player. We couldn't have gotten a player with his talent (and Perez as well) for Andre Ethier unless there were issues. And there are issues.
  Let's hope that they are minor this year--and/or that Macha and Beane can handle them.
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho Marx

by Steve in Napa on Dec 14, 2005 2:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ratto's brilliant
"A's are vibing like crazy to be respected not as merely a good team under the financial circumstances, but a good team, period."

Cuz no-one believes that the A's have been a "good team, period" over the last few years... Somehow, I don't think Beane is sitting at home worrying how to get people to believe the A's are a "good team, period."

by ohmangoAs on Dec 14, 2005 2:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Beane sits at home and
figures a way to beat the crap out of all the people that think the A's are a cute, little feel good story. He has figured out a way to compete over the long haul with the big boys, and with this season's roster i believe he has figured out a way to not only compete but beat these big market clubs in short series. The A's win the series this year, and then maybe the media will recognize what the A's for what they really are - a well-ran, talented team that is not going away as a flash in the pan, as the old school guys wish every year.
Sidenote - where do you predict that the A's will be predicted to finish by the baseball pundits?

by SD Erik on Dec 14, 2005 2:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to say
where the pundits see the A's finishing because there is still three months left before the season begins.  The Angels still have plenty of time to make a big trade or two, such as getting Manny, that can impact the race.  I think nearly all of them will pick the A's to finish at least second, and I'd bet half pick the A's to finish first.
"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on Dec 14, 2005 3:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

65%
I think that right now (ignoring potential future trades/changes) the A's would be picked first a little more than 1/2 the time...prolly 65% or so. But really, this type of prediction is completely me BSing...

by ohmangoAs on Dec 14, 2005 6:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You have to remember
that Ratto thinks the A's have been contending for the last few years solely on the basis of the former Big Three.

When the Big Three was traded he thought the end was nigh.  I do think that Ratto is coming around and he knows that the A's are the better Bay Area team, I think that's why he's toned down his A's hatred a bit.

However, he's no Plaschke and I'll be thankful for that.

Whenever I read Plasshke my head hurts.  I just can believe that guy is getting paid by one of the best newspapers in the country for writing about sports.

"Damn kids" -Ron Flores

by secret ASian man on Dec 15, 2005 1:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Story on Bradley while with Indians
link:  www.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/schwarz_alan/1574709.html
The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho Marx

by Steve in Napa on Dec 14, 2005 2:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

after reading that article
you don't know whether to run screaming from the East Bay or buy a full season-ticket plan
1972...1973...1974...1989...2006

by emperor nobody on Dec 14, 2005 9:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i concure
MB has had real difficulties in his life, and most of them are definitly not made up.  I hope he has success next year, and every year.
"If people don't know who he is, they'd better turn on the television and check him out."

by jacobo2u on Dec 15, 2005 1:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have not seen this mentioned, so...
Slusser verifies in todays chronicle that Milton Bradley is not a free agent until 2007. Which gives him two years of abitration eligibility.

"Bradley will bat somewhere in the middle of the order, in front of or behind Chavez. He is arbitration eligible (he made $2.5 million last year) but will not be a free agent until after the 2007 season."

link
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/12/14/SPG8BG7Q641.DTL&type=a s

hollowspec: What's your favorite beer? Dan Johnson: Free.

by FireballerHARDEN on Dec 14, 2005 3:02 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bradley or Everett
When you live in Seattle, and have to swallow the antics of the penny pinching front office of the Mariners you become a big fan of Billy Beane.
To all of those A's fans who wonder about the character of Milton Bradley, and what he will do to the chemistry on the A's, the M's just announced the signing of Carl (nut case) Everett.
Other than having to face Feliz Hernandez every fifth start the M's should not be providing much opposition next year....Go A's!

by hoke on Dec 14, 2005 3:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Carl Everett in Seattle =
"We Don't Believe in Carl Everett" x 10!

by zheetos on Dec 14, 2005 10:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tell me about it...
I have the odd disposition of being both a Mariners fan and an A's fan.  Hearing about the Everett signing made me want to wear an A's hat for a while.

by WriteWingConspiracy on Dec 15, 2005 12:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll pay bail
this time, if a member of AN can hit carl in the head with a cell phone!

by TheCatch on Dec 14, 2005 3:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

while wearing
an AN t-shirt?
ohio roots

by nickatt7 on Dec 14, 2005 3:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What we should remember ....
is that having a reputation as a "hothead" is usually quite different than the "clubhouse cancer" moniker.
I have often heard and seen examples of Bradley's meltdowns .... but I don't recall EVER hearing that he is a clubhouse cancer.  Other than the Jeff Kent thing, I don't recall hearing about a problem with a teammate at all.  
Being emotional and sometimes having a problem controlling outbursts has very little to do with getting along with people and being a good teammate.
Two quite different personality traits ...
that being said ... AWESOME TRADE!!!!!!

Finally .....some emotion!!!!!!!!!!!!

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Dec 14, 2005 4:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point
I'm hoping the media-portrayed "cancer" will be absorbed by the clubhouse but the self-described "hothead" will ignite the clubhouse.

Best of all worlds, for sure... but haven't seen any evidence to dissuade me yet!

Thank You Bill...
Go A's

by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 3:49 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm
Why would anyone hold any thing against Bradley for not liking Kent anyhow? Talk about a cancer. No one likes Kent.

by ChickenStanley on Dec 14, 2005 4:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bigger Cancer
Bonds or Milton?

Bonds 100000 times!  And coincidently he didn't get along with Kent's mustache either.

Teaching Macha Tae Kwon Do since 1981.

by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 4:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

past texas league MVP's
1999- Adam Piatt, Midland (.345 AVG, 39 HR, 135 RBI)
2000- Keith Ginter, Round Rock (.333 AVG, 26 HR, 92 RBI)
2001- Jason Lane, Round Rock
2002- Chad Tracy, El Paso
2003- Justin Leone, San Antonio
2004- Ryan Shealy, Tulsa
2005- Andre Ethier, Midland (.316 AVG, 18 HR, 79 RBI)...

way to go beane

"Baseball is like church, many attend, few understand" - Leo Durocher

by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 14, 2005 5:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Very Nice
Good call with the retro look. Hope Adam E. doesn't break the jinx...

by WannaBeGM on Dec 14, 2005 7:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that chad tracy dude ain't half bad
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 14, 2005 7:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a's vs. dodgers
cant wait to see Bradley tear up the dodgers when they play the a's this season

by thefosseposse on Dec 14, 2005 6:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

A's host the Dodgers this year:
Thur. July 6, 7pm
Fri. July 7, 7pm
Sat. July 8, 6pm
Sun. July 9, 1pm

The Sunday game is the last before the All-Star Break. Traditionally, 6pm starts = Fireworks, although that promotion isn't out on the schedule yet.

I would love to hear ten "Let's Go Oakland's" for any one (imported Giant's fans') "Beat L.A."

Is this series an agrument for opening the Third Deck?

Thank You Bill...
Go A's

by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 4:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WRONG DATES! <sorry>
Sorry, I was looking at the A's schedule and saw LAA and thought LAD. Geez, could they make it more difficult?
Anyway, my bad. Sorry.

The Los Angeles Dodgers of the National League will visit the Oakland A's:

Friday, June 16 at 7.05pm
Saturday, June 17 at 6.05pm and
Sunday, June 18 at 1.05pm

All the same Rah Rah's apply!

There was a wee voice of Bill King telling me that inter-league play should Not happen just before the All Star break that made me go back and re-re-check the schedule. Sorry folks.

Thank You Bill...
Go A's

by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 4:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

best commentary in baseball
I'd vote for this blog as much better commentary than anything in print or on TV these days.  I've learned too much by lurking to think I could match the intelligence shown by our fellow commentators on this site, much less think the bay area media or anyone else are as smart about the A's as we are (as a group).  And I'm NOT being facetious.  I'm dead serious.  I really love reading this site.  I couldn't be an A's fan without it.

by vegAsfan on Dec 14, 2005 6:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yes,
I am pretty awesome... thanks

by Alon on Dec 15, 2005 4:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Enough about Milton's "History"
Vacafan is right -- being a passionate player (and getting pissed about losing) is much different than being a cancer.  Bonds is a cancer, he doesn't care whether the Giants win or lose.  All he cares about is the padding on the Lazy-Boy he keeps in the Giants locker room.  

Milton, on the other hand, would probably agree to get changed in a bathroom stall before every game if we are winning.  Look at this quote from the LA Times:  "I have to win.  I can't lose.  I'm unhappy when I lose.  It's probably why the situation in L.A. got to me the way it did.  The greatest time I had was the playoff season.  Everything was working.  I came in and added to the clubhouse.  I helped make the team a playoff team.  I took a backseat to [Steve] Finley in center field.  I bled Dodger blue.  I did everything in my power.  I played my knee off for the Dodgers.  I did everything I could."

Geez, that sure does sound like a clubhouse cancer to me (I love winning, I wanted to help the team make the playoffs).  The guy just wants to win, and he gets pissed when he's not winning.  I never knew that that would be a strike AGAINST a guy.  

You know who else had this mentality: Tim Hudson.  And another: Dave Stewart.  We need MORE people who "can't lose."  Don't differentiate between Milton and Timmy because Milton is vocal and Tim was quiet.  It's the passion that counts.  

by Uncle Charlie on Dec 14, 2005 7:07 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The difference
None of the aforementioned gamers (i.e Huddy and Stew) -

(1) Had the police called to their residence to break up a domestic dispute.

(2) Fled from the police during a routine traffic stop.

(3) Developed racial tensions with management, fellow teamates, and reporters.

(4) Threw beverages or jerseys at patrons.

I knew Tim Hudson. Tim Hudson was a freind of mine. And Milty is no Tim Hudson.

by WannaBeGM on Dec 14, 2005 7:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, there's nothing I can say
about fleeing the police in the traffic stop, but Bradley was the one who called the police.

Tim Hudson isn't black or playing with JEFF KENT.

And Bradley had the bottle thrown at him, I can't blame him for throwing it back. I really like this trade.

by SuperDingus on Dec 14, 2005 7:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just Curious.
Did he call them ALL THREE TIMES????

by WannaBeGM on Dec 14, 2005 8:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i'll be happy
as long as bradley doesn't pull a hudson and get injured in a bar fight in boston on the night before the biggest game of his career....
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Dec 14, 2005 7:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Call..
Just a flat out good call on the "alleged" bar fight reference before the game.

by WannaBeGM on Dec 14, 2005 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You "knew" Tim Hudson ...
Hudson "was" a friend of mine ...... when did Huddy pass away?  
Anyway ... Dave Stewart had more than one run-in with the police before he came to Oakland ... you may be too young to remember, I don't know, but the details are rather embarassing for him, so I won't rehash them.
Driving away before signing a speeding ticket is hardly "fleeing from the police during a routine traffic stop."
Other than Jeff Kent, would you please describe the other "racial incidents" with teammates, fans and reporters??

C'mon man, get over yourself.

VacaAsFan

by Vacafan on Dec 15, 2005 10:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Devil's advocate, Uncle Charlie:
How would Bradley have responded when the A's were 17-32 last year? Do the A's need to get off to a fast start for Milton to keep him "feeling good"? Just putting it out there (I'm happy with the trade).
Nico

by Nico on Dec 14, 2005 8:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering the same thing
Baseball always has ups and downs, and players who can't deal with the bad periods tend not to last too long.  But it's okay, sometimes necessary, to have someone respond emotionally to a losing streak (eveyone loved Chavez's speech in Atlanta, right?).  And you could also argue that his intensity is what the 2005 team needed to avoid slumping so badly at the beginning of the year.

My guess is that Bradley will say and do what he says and does, and if what he does and says happens while the A's are losing, he'll be labelled "a problem."  If it's while the A's are winning, he'll be a "gamer" or a "redass."

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Dec 15, 2005 7:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i was just looking up some stats...
over at http://www.thebaseballcube.com/ and i saw this at the top of the site:

Top 10 Referers Last Updated:  

  1. MLB Forums - Official mlb web site
  2. Athletics Nation - A's Blog
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by xbhaskarx on Dec 14, 2005 7:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Blez needs to turn that into cash:
Seriously.

I don't mean that he should be paid for it, BUT, I know that they will highlight every A's page for him with an AN invitation.

I have spoken to the guy who runs the site and I told him that I would link his site in all of my stuff because it is the best. He was willing to do something for me that would increase traffic.

Jump on it Blez!!!

Ninety percent I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste." -Tug McGraw

by saint on Dec 15, 2005 10:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just saw this
on the Baseball America site about the trade:

"In Ethier, the Dodgers acquired one of the top hitting prospects in the Oakland system. A 2003 second-round pick out of Arizona State, Ethier is a career .312/.382/.455 hitter in 284 minor league games and had a breakout campaign in 2005, batting .318/.385/.497 in 131 games for Double-A Midland, earning Texas League player of the year honors. He had a solid season in the Arizona Fall League where he also earned the Dernell Stenson Award for sportsmanship. Ethier is a gifted hitter, but average speed and a below-average arm limit him to left field. With just average power at best, scouts are mixed as the Ethier having enough offense firepower to profile as an everyday corner outfielder in the big leagues. He's expected to begin the year at Triple-A Las Vegas."

So, the folks that are still wondering if we gave up too much for Bradley and Perez, there ya go.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/news/051214ethier.html

by ChickenStanley on Dec 14, 2005 7:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

he's profiling more and more like ...
... a Giants position prospect, isn't he?

I mean, I don't want to anti-bandwagon the guy, but ...

@('.')@

by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 8:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well put...
never thought of that, but I think you nailed it.

I too hope he does well with the Dodgers, but over the course of the last year, I have heard the same knocks on him. Either way, ANY time you can get two good major league players for a AA prospect, it is a good trade.

by ChickenStanley on Dec 14, 2005 11:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Barton or Buck?
Most analysis I've seen (including, IIRC, Slusser's story) mentions that Ethier is expendible partly because Barton is a better prospect with similar position limitations.  The description of Ethier that you quote here, though, makes him sound a little more like Travis Buck -- lefthanded hitter, high average, lots of line drives, might develop some power, not a good enough OF to play CF though possibly RF and certainly a good LF.  Oh, and it seems like Buck is faster, too, FWIW.
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Dec 15, 2005 7:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well for what it's worth, AN's most talked about
player, both good and bad, Eric Byrnes, stated earlier on the Ralph and Tom show, that he is friends with Milton, and said he thinks he has the talent to be top 3 or 4 players in the whole Majors.

by theblackpearl on Dec 14, 2005 8:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I almost forgot
That Byrnes was nutty too.  Which got me to thinking.  I hate that the race card keeps coming up but since Bradley's comments are the impetus...

I think its maybe because the bay area is so much more open minded than a lot of places but I have never heard a peep from anybody about the lack of "color" in the clubhouse before the trade. Its almost like we never noticed before and had to look it up to make sure it was true.  I think its speaks to the character of our fans and our team that it is such a non-issue to us.  We may not have many black players but we definitely have our share of eccentrics.  Thinking about it that way makes me believe that Game Boy can fit in.

"No. Well, sometimes I am. But I'm fun crazy." -- White Sox OF Carl Everett when asked if he is crazy in the July issue of Maxim

by haze on Dec 14, 2005 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Byrnes
I remember last year he said Juan Cruz would be great too.
C'mon Billy, make it Hurt so good.

by As Man on Dec 14, 2005 9:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He was.
In Sacramento...

by booya on Dec 15, 2005 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

in Beane we Trust!
wow....the fact that there are almost 200 comments per diary is just a tribute to how strong and awesome this web site is!

I was skeptical about Payton. I was concerned about Kotsay. I had question marks about Rincon, and Hatteberg, and Witasick. But Beane has reassured me year after year, and although in LA (where I am right now) where they are loving this deal, I'm somehow confident that Beane can turn Bradley into an All-Star (of course, since he's in Oakland, he'll never get the press, so he won't be an all-star).

Only 4 months to go.

"i hate monkeys"

by BruceBochteBiyatches on Dec 14, 2005 9:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Don't judge him until he explodes
You should all know by now that Oakland is the place where all of the casted off, washed up, uncontrolable, knuckle head players end up. This is true for ALL east bay pro sports. Wasn't Eck supposed to be a hot head drunk? Rickey was uncoachable. Stew was washed up. Hendu and the Cobra? This is the Underdog City and Milton Bradley is our type of guy. I think he will excell in Oakland and be a fan favorite. I can already hear the Coliseum rockin' in mid September "Mi-ton Brad-Ley!" "Mil-ton Brad-ley!"
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by haren4prez on Dec 14, 2005 10:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Here's MY reaction ...
Yippee! Huhrah! Wowee! Halleluja! Hip hip hooray! Bravo! Yippee! Huhrah! Wowee! Halleluja! Hip hip hooray! Bravo! Yippee! Huhrah! Wowee! Halleluja! Hip hip hooray! Bravo! Yeaaaaaaaah!

Beane is a "Geane-yus!"

We now have the best (and the deepest) outfield in the AL. Uncle Miltie will be a hero, you'll see. He's an AMERICAN Leaguer and his season will be closer to the .321 year he had in Cleveland,

Now bring on Mr. Thomas, and Frankly m'dear, we will win win win win win win win win win  ...

Darn it, Bill, you just made Toledo even holier.

by Edwinwinwin on Dec 14, 2005 10:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

re
Bill Plaschke is one of the very few people I would punch in the face if I saw him walking down the street.  Plaschke, Osama, Saddam...you get the idea.

by 31Boots on Dec 15, 2005 12:50 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fresh start for Bradley
I like this trade.  It has great upside and very little downside.  Bradley should get a clean slate with us.  A change of scenery is often a cure for clubhouse cancer, as I pointed out when we got Payton.  let's judge Bradley on what he does for the A's, and not worry about the past.  
Green and Gold since '73. #1712

by kent1 on Dec 15, 2005 2:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

A second Ratto column on Milton
From CBS Sportsline

http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9096422

Highlight:  " ... this is going to be fun. Zany, unpredictable, unsettling, even disturbing fun. Milton Bradley has all the tools Beane likes in a player, but he also has lots more X-factor than Beane and the A's are accustomed to, lots more."

He's such a grouch it's hard to read it between the lines, but I think he likes the trade.

by rubin sierra on Dec 15, 2005 2:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

ps
I take that back--I don't think it's so hard to read between the lines.  I just felt the need to act as if I didn't like him so I could fit in with all the other posts on this thread.  <shrugs, gets nervous, dodges flying chairs>

by rubin sierra on Dec 15, 2005 3:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry
I don't hate him as much as I used to.  I even agree with him sometimes.  I used to really hate him, then I was exposed to Plaschke and now I'm thankful for Ratto, where his writing style is either witty or condescending, not retarded.
"Damn kids" -Ron Flores

by secret ASian man on Dec 15, 2005 3:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blez interview with Bradley
I'm sure the upcoming interview will clarify all these issues and put everyone's concerns to rest - can we expect this soon?

by Joe Pye on Dec 15, 2005 5:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

At the end of 2006
I am not sure if this has been brought up but if Bradley ends up a free agent at the end of 2006 the A's are likely to get compensation pick or picks for him. If Milton has just an average season for him and he is likely an A or B that gets the A's a 1st round (likely 1st but may be 2nd). I think Either was picked in the 2nd. So that makes the deal even more worth the gamble.

by dougald1 on Dec 15, 2005 6:30 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Dodgers made their bed
I mean, come on, surround Bradley with such quality  people like Jeff Kent, JD Drew, Derek Lowe, Jeff Weaver,etc, what the hell did they expect. I don't see any assholes on the A's roster, just good guys and gamers. I'll bet he flourishes here. Just ask Jose Guillen about all the problems he experienced in Oakland. There's no doubt that the A's could benefit from Bradley's fire plus they get Antonio Perez who could start for many teams now. What an absolute steal for BB.

by Sam Dracula on Dec 15, 2005 8:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

great stuff
Uncle Miltie is the best nickname of all time.

by the stare on Dec 15, 2005 9:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You know what just makes me giddy?
The idea that we've quietly built the most complete team in the majors.  Defense, speed, starting pitching, bullpen work, power and average throughout the lineup, and a deep bench.  If we add Frank Thomas, I don't see any other team that we should be worried about except for the White Sox, Blue Jays, and Indians (however, need Millwood or someone to step up to be ace of rotation), seeing as every other team in the AL has significant holes.  Even then, the Jays have some serious lineup questions and the Indians have their aforementioned weakness.  Now before you all chastise me, think about each team for a sec:

Yanks:
Weak rotation
Poor defense
Who plays center?  (might be solved with Damon)

Red Sox:
Terrible bullpen
Who plays short?  Third?  Center?

Twins:
Still no hitting

Angels:
Holes in rotation
Outside of Vlad, pitiful lineup

Rangers:
Still no pitching

Other teams aren't worth mentioning for obvious reasons.  2006 is looking pretty rosy right now isn't it?

by baseb3383 on Dec 15, 2005 11:11 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Going to have to strongly disagree with you
on the red sox assessment. Even if they used Adam Stern in center field (very fast, good cf but probably will have .700 ops) they should be good. As of right now, they'll probably either use prospect Dustin Pedroia or trade for Orlando Cabrera for shortstop. Then they'd use Youkilis at first, Loretta at second, Lowell at third, Nixon in right, manny will probably be back in left, and Varitek behind the plate with Ortiz as the dh.

Their bullpen might be good as well. A healthy foulke, timlin, Craig Hansen, lenny dinardo, Guillermo Mota, bradford and arroyo. Rotation of Beckett, Schilling, Papelbon, Clement and Wakefield.

If they don't trade Manny, they'll probably be stacked next year.

by SuperDingus on Dec 15, 2005 11:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if I totally agree...
Adam Stern is a huge downgrade from Johnny Damon.  Loretta is a good upgrade and anyone at shortstop will certainly be an improvement over Renteria last year.  The Red Sox offense will still be one of the top units in the AL.  The place where I'd completely disagree with you is the pitching rotation; Papelbon hasn't started a full season yet, so we don't really know about his capability as a starter over the long haul.  He was great in the bullpen, but success there isn't indicative of being a great starter.  Clement is durable but average, as his numbers in the AL show.  Schilling hasn't been healthy in two years.  And Beckett hasn't pitched more than 180 innings in a season.  Wakefield and Clement are the only guys in the rotation that can be counted on to give solid innings.  I don't think the Sox have enough depth in the rotation to withstand the many starts that Schilling and Beckett may miss.  The staff, while not nearly as questionable as the Yankees, is still average at best compared with the rest of the staffs in the AL when you take into account health.  The success of Boston's bullpen again rests with Foulke, otherwise, their bullpen is below average.  If Foulke is healthy, they could have a promising staff, although Timlin and Bradford aren't getting any younger.  Given their opening day pitching staff and rotation, they have the potential to be good, not stacked.  Certainly with Manny and Ortiz in the middle of the lineup, the offense is more than capable of scoring runs.

I'd look for them to finish about where they were last year, in playoff contention, but not a serious World Series threat unless they get healthy and effective innings from Beckett and Schilling.

by baseb3383 on Dec 15, 2005 2:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Um...
Schilling has been recovering from injury for a little more than a year. 15 months, I believe. Even at his age, you could expect a slight rebound, and an ERA in the low 4's.

Clement was the pitcher most screwed over by their bullpen in the majors, you can check www.baseballprospectus.com if you'd like.

Papelbon has a promising minor league record with stellar strike out rates and a couple successful major league starts. As well as his work out of the bullpen.

Beckett, well. Not sure about Beckett, if he doesn't progress or regress at all he's probably likely to put up an era around 4.00, probably a little less.

They still have Arroyo, who is probably a better spot starter and more durable than Saarloos. As well as Lester and DiNardo as the seventh and eighth starters. Their defense should be much better, since Millar, Bellhorn, Damon (hopefully), and Renteria are gone.

And um, why does it take a different type of team to win in the postseason, as opposed to the regular season?

by SuperDingus on Dec 15, 2005 8:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Some of your points are valid
However, I would disagree again on Papelbon and Clement.  

First, on Papelbon, he's made some starts, he's had some bullpen work, and he's projected well at the minor league level.  That's fine.  What I'm saying is that he might not be great this season, he's still an unknown quantity without a full season's worth of starts.  The sample size is too small to project him as a successful starter (under 4.00 ERA I'm assuming) until he's been put out there for 210 innings in a season.  I would've said the same thing about Haren and Blanton last year; they both happened to work out, that's great.  But there are things that would worry me about Papelbon; a WHIP of 1.47 is not good (17 walks in 34 innings?  Yikes.)

Clement's stats were a marked decline from the NL no matter how you slice the bullpen problem; his WHIP increased from 1.28 to 1.36, and BAA went up to .260 from .229.  K's also went down, not by much, but 25 less from two years ago and 54 less from last year is not really something you can ignore.  I'd expect him to get a little better, but not much, he'll probably be around a 4.20 ERA.

Arroyo is a capable spot starter and certainly much better than Saarloos, but is he better than the top 5 of an Oakland staff that probably won't miss many starts?

I feel that the durability issue is the one we're really debating here; I'm arguing that Oakland's staff is much better given their likelihood to put up 220+ IP in a season (save Harden of course).  Oakland's top 5 will start more games and pitch more innings than Boston's top 5.  Boston's staff is worse by the numbers (most of the players you've projected will have anywhere from about a 3.60-4.70 ERA, that sounds about right, putting them towards the middle of the AL) but is capable of a decent season given their offense.  I don't think many Boston fans like the idea of a Wakefield-Clement-Papelbon-Arroyo-Lester/DiNardo rotation, but that's what probably will happen for a good part of the season given Schilling's age and health concerns (okay, it was 15 months, but two years was a rough estimate) and Beckett's injuries.

Also, I never said anything about a different type of team needed to win in the postseason, I simply stated that if this team misses Schilling and Beckett for significant amounts of time (which, I think, is fairly likely), the pitching doesn't look great for obvious reasons.

Finally, maybe it would be best to put down likely WHIP numbers for both staffs so you can see what I mean about Oakland's staff being superior:

Oakland:
Zito - 1.21
Blanton - 1.25
Loaiza - 1.35
Haren - 1.23
Harden - 1.10
Saarloos - 1.42

Boston:
Papelbon - 1.30-1.40
Wakefield - 1.27
Clement - 1.33
Schilling - 1.20 (if healthy, possibly up to 1.30-1.40 if not)
Beckett - 1.21
Arroyo - 1.32

Note that this is also assuming no improvement for Haren, Blanton, or Harden based on their previous stats.  This is my last post on this topic though, I'll stand by my beliefs.

by baseb3383 on Dec 16, 2005 1:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Bradley deal...
I don't hate it - but i don't love it yet either. I do believe the Bradley will do well in Oakland, but the chances of resigning him???... Well they will only really exist if he doesn't do well.

The questionable thing in my mind is the price! Come on, guys..... Ethier??
I have a tough time remembering a prospect with that kind of hype and expectation! Maybe our SS, and I assume that we can agree that he's worth more than Bradley...

Who else... Chavvy? Tejada? They've done pretty well for themselves....

Off course I agree that all prospect don't cut it when (or if) they get to the show(Piatt...), but it just seems to me like we could've got more for Ethier - and I believe that "the Rat" has a valid point with the "not so much looking at the future, but concentrating on the now"-remark!

"Everything they do, they do it right." ~ Pudge

by anAfromfaraway on Dec 16, 2005 1:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

low risk / high benefit deal
Ethier doesn't project to be much more than a 4th OF, so I think the A's will be fine even if Bradley is slightly above average and Perez is a solid backup.
But if your life is such a big joke, then why should I care?

by johnspaz7 on Dec 19, 2005 6:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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