Reaction on the Bradley Deal
A day after the deal, and the media reaction is pouring in.
From the LA Times and World's Biggest Tool nominee (he has MY vote) Bill Plaschke to perennial misanthrope Ray Ratto, the prevailing opinion seems to be the same.
People will just wait for Bradley to go berserk. For me, that becomes a very dangerous situation because people are constantly poking and prodding you, hoping to set that dynamite off. Thankfully, the media in the Bay Area is largely nonconfrontational. It's downright pacifist compared to the media in Los Angeles where a once proud sports section has turned into New York tabloid West. Yes, I'm looking at you, Los Angeles Times.
Now, most of this is obviously Bradley's own doing. When you let your anger control you and act out in such public fashion, people will inevitably label you as ticking time bomb. The truth is that perhaps Bradley will be nitroglycerin in the A's clubhouse. Shake it too hard and watch out. But perhaps the laid back, card-playing, camaraderie-filled A's clubhouse is the perfect solution for what ails Bradley. Better yet, perhaps his explosive, I desperately want to win personality will infect the A's.
Regardless, it's going to be a situation to carefully monitor. I get the feeling that Ken Macha doesn't always deal well with the problem players.
Oh, and one final thing. Had Paul DePodesta made this deal, I imagine Plaschke would've been crying how the "computer geek" got taken to school by "only" getting a prospect for two major leaguers. Yep, Biggest Tool on the Planet.
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Blez,
by sf drift king on Dec 14, 2005 10:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That is true
by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 14, 2005 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but...
by Ryan Armbrust on Dec 14, 2005 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blez!
Maya or no, remind me never to go drinking with you, ever. ;)
by secret ASian man on Dec 15, 2005 2:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how is it...
Or is that just me?
;)
by Poppy on Dec 14, 2005 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because mom's do all the work?
by salb918 on Dec 14, 2005 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought women were crazy from birth?
by As Man on Dec 14, 2005 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So explain:
by MobiusKlein on Dec 14, 2005 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bradley is going to be in Oakland
Bradley has to be told that there is a zero-tolerance policy for clubhouse cancer behavior.
by socal on Dec 14, 2005 10:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think thats the wrong message
He should get a fresh start.
by pickinmachine on Dec 14, 2005 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't agree more
by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed too...
by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree to the fresh start
by grover on Dec 14, 2005 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree:
Children change us in many wonderful ways. Heck if I were Billy or Ken I would take the high road on such conversations.
Kendall, Kotsay and Barry will iron him out if needbe.
by saint on Dec 14, 2005 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think you give trust..
I think the A's players and Kotsay in particular have it right. No rules about "No...." be accepting of everyone. Bradley hasn't fulminated against another player, and like he said, he's still in contact with guys on the Cleveland club.
The A's have rules, like "starting pitcher picks the pre-game clubhouse music". You think that'll rub Bradley the wrong way??!!
Tejada didn't run out a groundball, and he was removed from a game. Did we trade him? No. Bradley doesn't do it in Spring Training, and gets traded! I think such incidents need to create lasting results in the reaction. But not the kind that Wedge and Cleveland did.
by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 14, 2005 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Macha on the leash?
by Morada Mudshark on Dec 14, 2005 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Plaschke is
by salb918 on Dec 14, 2005 10:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Buster Olney on ESPN Radio...
Olney also said he sees the A's are the best defensive team in the American Leagues, esp with three CF's in the OF.
by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 10:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
A word of caution ...
I mean, I like the deal myself. But we risk caricaturing ourselves as Beaneiacs with this and the whole ECMB puling.
by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 10:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
How was I defending Billy's honor?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 14, 2005 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not directed at you ...
I'm not disagreeing at all with your points about espn and the Splaschke 600, but the aggrieved-A's-and-WC-fans-in-general thing I find kinda tiresome. And, again, I'm as susceptible to indulging in it as anyone here.
by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing to consider...
by Little Lebowski Urban Achievers on Dec 14, 2005 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kent a total ass
by kent1 on Dec 15, 2005 1:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree about
One of the moments I was proudest of my name was when Bill King said (paraphrasing), "I ken their (the coaching staff's) decision." Dang, that man could use the English language.
by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 3:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kent lied to his team!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the Dodgers picked their brand of cancer.
Old Ned could have gotten more for Kent than a AA prospect........and they have to move Kent to 1b were he isn't very good because he is a dead slow 2b.
by Carerra on Dec 15, 2005 6:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clubhouse
No one heard anything out of Carl Everett last year. And they won the WS with him batting in the middle of the line up.
I'm even looking forward to some spark out of Milton. A lot of us here at AN were crying for Chavez and Macha to show some fire last year. I'm not saying Milton should throw bottles at people, but some emotion would be nice.
Bill Plashke is a huge idiot.
by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 10:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That was my first thought
by Tony on Dec 14, 2005 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley was wrong to throw the bottle back
by OaklandSi on Dec 14, 2005 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't think of anything else...
My love for you is like a truck, Berserker...
Ahem. Continue on.
by Jennifer on Dec 14, 2005 11:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
nice "clerks" reference
by rockit on Dec 14, 2005 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the reference too
Salsa shark.
F'n pervert.
Oooooo, Navy Seals.
Blasphemy. All Jedi had was a bunch of muppets.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 14, 2005 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
<hugs>
"In a row?"
We exchange names for Xmas in our office, right? Well, last year I got an electric cheese grater. (I don't know anyone in the world that grates so much cheese that they need an electric cheese grater.) This year, the same person got my name. I told them I'd like the Clerks X DVD... we'll see if I get it.
by Jennifer on Dec 14, 2005 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just how, exactly, does one grate ...
by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whilst wearing rubber gloves...
by McFood on Dec 14, 2005 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps Jennifer should ask ...
by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall doesn't haven enough power...
by Jennifer on Dec 14, 2005 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for subscribing ...
by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Whilst..."?
Rubber Gloves are, of course, worn by 1st, 2nd, & 3rd basemen to ensure the highest degree of Safe Sacks.
by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 3:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Safe Sacks"...Ha ha!
by McFood on Dec 15, 2005 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, randal...
d: "but you hate people!"
r: "i know. isn't it ironic?"
by rockit on Dec 14, 2005 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dId he say Making fuck?
by Little Lebowski Urban Achievers on Dec 14, 2005 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Olbermann thinks A's are done....
by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 11:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
Should be interesting.....I can see it going either way.
by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where is Olbermann now any way?
by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 14, 2005 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's still on TV every night on Countdown.
by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Olbermann on Dan Patrick ESPN Radio at 11 AM daily
by Morada Mudshark on Dec 14, 2005 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, shit
by Tony on Dec 14, 2005 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Although his team is doing terribly, it is not his
by theblackpearl on Dec 14, 2005 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
bit of a rant
Why can't the baseball world see this for a baseball move, because it is primarily what it is. The A's just added major league talent to their team while losing only a prospect, THIS should be the foccus of the trade. If the move works from a baseball point of view, it'll work itself out and the talking heads will stop talking about it because it wont be interesting anymore.
by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Because it sells newspapers
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 14, 2005 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Misanthrope?
He seems like a good guy to me. I missed the imbroglio surronding him last year.
Susan Slusser stood up for him at AN bbq. An' she's fine people, best as they come.
I think if you had a beer with Ray the adjective might be different; I really have no idea. It's just that I wouldn't judge a man just from the work that appears in print, is all.
by paradox on Dec 14, 2005 11:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Beane himself has an anger problem
I've opften thought it's interesting how Beane's chair-throwing rages are interpreted as the admirable passion of a take-no-prisoners/success-oriented/iconoclastic rebel. He has "passion"... he has "heart"... but in fact, it sounds like he's just got a bad temper.
by AlamedaAphid on Dec 14, 2005 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Continuing The Rant
There are questions about Bradley's behavior. The fact that he couldn't get along with Jeff Kent is probably a plus. A lot of the other stuff makes him risky and thats why he was available.The potential reward appears to exceed the risk. Media types seem to protect players they have an affinity for. We never know the whole story. Imagine the flap that would ahve been raised if an A's player had been involved in alcohol caused snowmobile accident which endangered the life of his child. Wait a minute. Carney Lansford did that. Imagine if Ricky or Jose pulled a stunt like that.
by NoeValley on Dec 14, 2005 11:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes correct
by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, Bradley's at Fault
Slusser's article was good (Ratto I won't speak of) but I thought the Chron's picture of Bradley throwing the balls was a stupid choice. (Welcome to the Bay Area, Milton!) By chosing that picture they were going with pure sensationalism.
by SportySpice on Dec 14, 2005 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Pudge threw alot more than that
by OaklandSi on Dec 14, 2005 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
by SportySpice on Dec 14, 2005 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Plaschke
Back in 1999 he wrote a huge piece on how LA had become a Bruin football town, and that USC is relegated to second citizen status, with little to no chance of recapturing their old legacy...since then SC has beaten UCLA 6 straight times, and are currently chasing their third consecutive championship. He pined for Beltre, and luckily the Dodgers didn't sign him - because we know what he did in Seatlle last year. And now he is on the Coletti/Grady bandwagon, which means that they are due to implode. And more importantly for the A's he denounced Milton Bradley, basically saying that his extraction will do nothing but help the Dodgers on the field. From his previous track record, I would say that Milton is due to not only be an All-Star, but capture a few MVP's over the next few years, as his guides the A's to the Series. So for this - I say thank you Bill, and in your next column, please bash BB and his computer geek ways, and keep on touting the bringing back of old school to LA, it could only work wonders for us...
by SD Erik on Dec 14, 2005 12:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hah, that's great stuff
by xbhaskarx on Dec 14, 2005 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good piece of writing!
Sounds like Ray Ratto and his "A's won't get sixty wins" bit.
by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 14, 2005 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This Clubhouse needs a fire-starter...
by OaktownRajah on Dec 14, 2005 12:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Listening to TJ Simers on XTRA 570
by SD Erik on Dec 14, 2005 12:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
TJ Simers = The Village Idiot.
by OaktownPower on Dec 14, 2005 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they are the worst
by homerozzieandthestraw on Dec 14, 2005 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's an understatement
by socal on Dec 14, 2005 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TJ Simers, not exactly an idiot
by SD Erik on Dec 14, 2005 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perez may be the sleeper in this deal
by Morada Mudshark on Dec 14, 2005 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN not worth $$ - go to better source
There are better sources out there.
For instance, this from Bob Klapisch of the Bergen Register (North N.J.)
NEWS ITEM: A's trade for Milton Bradley.
There were factions within the Yankee front office that argued passionately on behalf of Bradley, insisting he would solve the team's center field crisis. But Cashman resisted, equally convinced the volatile Bradley would combust in this market.
Whether or not the GM was right is now moot, as the A's acquired Bradley and infielder Antonio Perez for outfield prospect Andre Ethier.
This is a coup for A's GM Billy Beane, who adds an All-Star caliber outfielder while giving up very little. The A's can now dangle Mark Kotsay in front of the Yankees, even though his no-trade powers would have to be waived.
Beane's ability to pull off this swap is even more impressive considering he left the winter meetings early last week, flying to Washington to have lunch with Newt Gingrich and Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mellman on successive days.
link: http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkyNjgmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY4Mzg3MzUm eXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2
(note: Klapisch seems to be pretty straight up when it comes to sports coverage.
This same article has some pretty good content on the Yanks
positioning for Garciaparra and Damon)
P.S. How about the Beene and Kotsay content to start some Hot Stove fury here on AN !!!
by Bleed Green on Dec 14, 2005 12:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ironically enough
by spoiltvictorianchild on Dec 14, 2005 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He still does
by skwid on Dec 14, 2005 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gingrich and Mellman?
by blueconversechucks on Dec 14, 2005 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Billy's trading Payton for Rove
by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that Beane will receive
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 14, 2005 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaaaaaa
by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about "undervalued" ...
by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see it now
President Beane, can you explain the trade of Maine for Alberta?
You can never have too much oil, and we felt that lobster was overvalued in the current market.
What kind of future do you envision for post-war Iran?
My shit doesn't work in the reconstruction phase.
How do you respond to allegations that your administration's interrogation tactics are unconstitutional?
I'm going to leave that determination to Chief Justice Hatteberg and the other members of the court.
by andeux on Dec 14, 2005 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Hatteberg = Harriet Miers
I can't wait for Hatteberg's document dump to the Senate, with all his mash notes to Billy about his being "the bestestest GM, like, ever!"
by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we're not calling it reconstructing...
by rungood on Dec 14, 2005 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
quality humor
by xbhaskarx on Dec 14, 2005 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. President, a question and a follow-up
And my follow-up: Are you or anyone in your administration behind the effort to have the WaPo's online sports column "A's Clubhouse Briefing" by Dan Froomkin re-titled?
by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dang
by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 3:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beaniacs?
by SwisherSweet on Dec 14, 2005 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reaction from Halo's Heaven
"Part of me thinks the Dodgers did this trade to fuck with us, but if the prospect pans out, then we can in a paranoid reversal blame Billy Beane for screwing with our marketshare mojo." --Rev Halofan
They are manic I tell you, manic.
by BruceBochte on Dec 14, 2005 1:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ewww what is that smell
by burnone on Dec 14, 2005 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is something in the water!
- As we have proven over and over again, just in the last 24 hours, the media is a mess. (Ok, I just made myself a little sick by admitting such a thing since I was a media major, but it needed to be said.) We have seen how they get facts wrong, they blow things way out of perportion and most of the time, talking heads are just talking out of their ass. So really, how much of what we know about Bradley's issues are based on fact? How much of it was the LA media market having a field day with a tiny story? How many of these facts are just wrong?
- There is something interesting about the vibe of the Bay Area that you just don't get in other markets. Payton himself mentioned time and time again how fans here are just more forgiving and more laid back than on the East Coast. Don't get me wrong, we are roudy and can be rather insane at times, but most of the fans in Oakland are more knowledgable and have more respect for the MEN who play the game than fans in other parts of the country. We understand that those are PEOPLE out there and we need to see beyond the exterior. We look at more than just what happened last night or even in the last play. We look at the man and value what we know is possible and what he has proven over time. We don't ridicule him for making one bad play or having one off night, because we know that is not all there is. Other markets don't see it in such a big-picture sort of context.
- The clubhouse vibes reflect their fans in many ways. They are laid back and carefree. They know that winning is important and they WANT to win, but they know that they have to have a good attitude in order to get that winning done. They stay loose and just go out there and try to have a good time. They realize that, yes, it took hard work and determination to get to this level, but it is also a privilage to be there. And they know they are some of the luckiest guys around!
by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Dec 14, 2005 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the media
I'll agree that the media deserves scrutiny, and a hell of a lot of it. But these are columnists we're talking about, not reporters. Frankly, they're just know-it-all schmucks like you and me. Oh yeah ok they're also schmucks that happen to be read by a bunch of other schmucks -- but oh wait, we're one of those schmucks reading what they write too!
Look, any publicity is good publicity. You really don't like what they say? Ignore them. Great thing about the modern age, is that there are alternatives. Don't like the major newspapers? Read the mlb website. Don't like the mlb website? Read a sports blog. Don't like a sports blog? Read another one...
Which is all really to say... cheer up! Why let these kids drag you down?
by hunger on Dec 14, 2005 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and by the way...
by hunger on Dec 14, 2005 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eat Some Crow, LA Media
This signing demonstrates the wide disparity between Beane and everybody else. I posted before http://www.athleticsnation.com/comments/2005/12/9/111555/743/22#22
that it was very weird for Billy himself to be talking so much about signing Frank that early in the process. You don't drive up competition for your signing prospect before you conusmate the deal. But, by putting up this Thomas smokescreen, he drove the Dodger's price down to Ethier for Bradley and Perez. That's risky, but incredibly crafty. No wonder the Repubs wanted some of his time. Beane spins the media better than the Carlyle Group. I just hope he doesn't help them too much.
by Dig the Long Ball on Dec 14, 2005 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of the Carlyle Group
Google:
"Peter Chung" "Carlyle Group"
Which yields this result:
http://www.hereinreality.com/chung.htm
Peter Chung's email to his college buddies from Korea, sent on his work email account. Needless to say, since this was a mass email, it made the rounds in New York and even found it's way into the New Yorker!
In his own words:
Laters, CHUNG
by rungood on Dec 14, 2005 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SWEET TRADE!
by Bearcat on Dec 14, 2005 1:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good points
It is often said that "team chemistry" is unimportant if your winning, and creates over-achieving in teams with lesser talent.
I think the A's have the right attitude going into this.
I'm guessing Scutaro is going to be gone. Which teams need a good SS/2nd baseman?
Okay, Scutaro and Saarloos for Dontrelle Willis!
by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 14, 2005 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
did you see those...
by CyZito on Dec 15, 2005 6:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wolf /New Ownership Group
by Slide Jeremy on Dec 14, 2005 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not so much Wolfe as Fischer
I think he did.
Wolfe says he "bleeds green and gold", shows up for a lot of home games, even took batting practice. If he had a means he certainly added $$$.
I am a bit surprised by his idea of dealing with dozens of owners of property to get his stadium/housing/redevelopment done. Just seems like an unnecessary headache. oh well, Wolfe is the professional developer, I am not.
by Ducts on the Pawn on Dec 14, 2005 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps "bleeds green and gold"
by rungood on Dec 14, 2005 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUAN on MLB Radio in a few minutes
by giambizombie on Dec 14, 2005 2:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There are worse cancers than anger/aggressiveness
No one complains about an A-hole who plays balls out to win. I'm sure we'd have taken Jeff Kent for Ethier too. And AJ Pierzynski is a huge in Chicago after getting shipped out of Minny/San Fran.
I think cleaning the slate, and giving Milton a team that can win every night out, in many different ways might I add, will suit him just fine.
If not, I'll just pretend like we never had Ethier in the first place and welcome in our other prospects. I think Billy could be fine doing the same.
by BleacherDrummer on Dec 14, 2005 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Beane has always said that in trades:
Two of the problems that arose with Bradley were that he didn't run out a pop up that fell in (He was shipped to LA 5 days later) and Kent got on him for not hustling.
by saint on Dec 14, 2005 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
kent's a jackass
if anything, kent probably just wanted the RBI.
by vishal on Dec 14, 2005 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's face it
Let's hope that they are minor this year--and/or that Macha and Beane can handle them.
by Steve in Napa on Dec 14, 2005 2:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ratto's brilliant
Cuz no-one believes that the A's have been a "good team, period" over the last few years... Somehow, I don't think Beane is sitting at home worrying how to get people to believe the A's are a "good team, period."
by ohmangoAs on Dec 14, 2005 2:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Beane sits at home and
Sidenote - where do you predict that the A's will be predicted to finish by the baseball pundits?
by SD Erik on Dec 14, 2005 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say
by kaweahkaweah on Dec 14, 2005 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to remember
When the Big Three was traded he thought the end was nigh. I do think that Ratto is coming around and he knows that the A's are the better Bay Area team, I think that's why he's toned down his A's hatred a bit.
However, he's no Plaschke and I'll be thankful for that.
Whenever I read Plasshke my head hurts. I just can believe that guy is getting paid by one of the best newspapers in the country for writing about sports.
by secret ASian man on Dec 15, 2005 1:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Story on Bradley while with Indians
by Steve in Napa on Dec 14, 2005 2:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
after reading that article
by emperor nobody on Dec 14, 2005 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have not seen this mentioned, so...
"Bradley will bat somewhere in the middle of the order, in front of or behind Chavez. He is arbitration eligible (he made $2.5 million last year) but will not be a free agent until after the 2007 season."
link
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/12/14/SPG8BG7Q641.DTL&type=a s
by FireballerHARDEN on Dec 14, 2005 3:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bradley or Everett
To all of those A's fans who wonder about the character of Milton Bradley, and what he will do to the chemistry on the A's, the M's just announced the signing of Carl (nut case) Everett.
Other than having to face Feliz Hernandez every fifth start the M's should not be providing much opposition next year....Go A's!
by hoke on Dec 14, 2005 3:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Carl Everett in Seattle =
by zheetos on Dec 14, 2005 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me about it...
by WriteWingConspiracy on Dec 15, 2005 12:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll pay bail
by TheCatch on Dec 14, 2005 3:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
while wearing
by nickatt7 on Dec 14, 2005 3:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What we should remember ....
I have often heard and seen examples of Bradley's meltdowns .... but I don't recall EVER hearing that he is a clubhouse cancer. Other than the Jeff Kent thing, I don't recall hearing about a problem with a teammate at all.
Being emotional and sometimes having a problem controlling outbursts has very little to do with getting along with people and being a good teammate.
Two quite different personality traits ...
that being said ... AWESOME TRADE!!!!!!
Finally .....some emotion!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Vacafan on Dec 14, 2005 4:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
Best of all worlds, for sure... but haven't seen any evidence to dissuade me yet!
by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 3:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
by ChickenStanley on Dec 14, 2005 4:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bigger Cancer
Bonds 100000 times! And coincidently he didn't get along with Kent's mustache either.
by speedracer on Dec 14, 2005 4:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
past texas league MVP's
2000- Keith Ginter, Round Rock (.333 AVG, 26 HR, 92 RBI)
2001- Jason Lane, Round Rock
2002- Chad Tracy, El Paso
2003- Justin Leone, San Antonio
2004- Ryan Shealy, Tulsa
2005- Andre Ethier, Midland (.316 AVG, 18 HR, 79 RBI)...
way to go beane
by gWiLiKeRzZz on Dec 14, 2005 5:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Very Nice
by WannaBeGM on Dec 14, 2005 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that chad tracy dude ain't half bad
by xbhaskarx on Dec 14, 2005 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
anyhone know of any good a's podcasts?
by greendatitiz on Dec 14, 2005 5:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
a's vs. dodgers
by thefosseposse on Dec 14, 2005 6:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A's host the Dodgers this year:
Fri. July 7, 7pm
Sat. July 8, 6pm
Sun. July 9, 1pm
The Sunday game is the last before the All-Star Break. Traditionally, 6pm starts = Fireworks, although that promotion isn't out on the schedule yet.
I would love to hear ten "Let's Go Oakland's" for any one (imported Giant's fans') "Beat L.A."
Is this series an agrument for opening the Third Deck?
by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 4:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG DATES! <sorry>
Anyway, my bad. Sorry.
The Los Angeles Dodgers of the National League will visit the Oakland A's:
Friday, June 16 at 7.05pm
Saturday, June 17 at 6.05pm and
Sunday, June 18 at 1.05pm
All the same Rah Rah's apply!
There was a wee voice of Bill King telling me that inter-league play should Not happen just before the All Star break that made me go back and re-re-check the schedule. Sorry folks.
by NomAd on Dec 15, 2005 4:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
best commentary in baseball
by vegAsfan on Dec 14, 2005 6:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Enough about Milton's "History"
Milton, on the other hand, would probably agree to get changed in a bathroom stall before every game if we are winning. Look at this quote from the LA Times: "I have to win. I can't lose. I'm unhappy when I lose. It's probably why the situation in L.A. got to me the way it did. The greatest time I had was the playoff season. Everything was working. I came in and added to the clubhouse. I helped make the team a playoff team. I took a backseat to [Steve] Finley in center field. I bled Dodger blue. I did everything in my power. I played my knee off for the Dodgers. I did everything I could."
Geez, that sure does sound like a clubhouse cancer to me (I love winning, I wanted to help the team make the playoffs). The guy just wants to win, and he gets pissed when he's not winning. I never knew that that would be a strike AGAINST a guy.
You know who else had this mentality: Tim Hudson. And another: Dave Stewart. We need MORE people who "can't lose." Don't differentiate between Milton and Timmy because Milton is vocal and Tim was quiet. It's the passion that counts.
by Uncle Charlie on Dec 14, 2005 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The difference
(1) Had the police called to their residence to break up a domestic dispute.
(2) Fled from the police during a routine traffic stop.
(3) Developed racial tensions with management, fellow teamates, and reporters.
(4) Threw beverages or jerseys at patrons.
I knew Tim Hudson. Tim Hudson was a freind of mine. And Milty is no Tim Hudson.
by WannaBeGM on Dec 14, 2005 7:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there's nothing I can say
Tim Hudson isn't black or playing with JEFF KENT.
And Bradley had the bottle thrown at him, I can't blame him for throwing it back. I really like this trade.
by SuperDingus on Dec 14, 2005 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just Curious.
by WannaBeGM on Dec 14, 2005 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll be happy
by xbhaskarx on Dec 14, 2005 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Call..
by WannaBeGM on Dec 14, 2005 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You "knew" Tim Hudson ...
Anyway ... Dave Stewart had more than one run-in with the police before he came to Oakland ... you may be too young to remember, I don't know, but the details are rather embarassing for him, so I won't rehash them.
Driving away before signing a speeding ticket is hardly "fleeing from the police during a routine traffic stop."
Other than Jeff Kent, would you please describe the other "racial incidents" with teammates, fans and reporters??
C'mon man, get over yourself.
by Vacafan on Dec 15, 2005 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Devil's advocate, Uncle Charlie:
by Nico on Dec 14, 2005 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering the same thing
My guess is that Bradley will say and do what he says and does, and if what he does and says happens while the A's are losing, he'll be labelled "a problem." If it's while the A's are winning, he'll be a "gamer" or a "redass."
by Nick on Dec 15, 2005 7:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i was just looking up some stats...
Top 10 Referers Last Updated:
- MLB Forums - Official mlb web site
- Athletics Nation - A's Blog
- Sons of Sam Horn - Red Sox Forums
- ESPN Forums -
- Dodger Thoughts - Dodgers Blog
- 6-4-2 - Angels/Dodgers Blog
- SportSpot.Net - Mariners Forums
- Batter's Box - Blue Jays site
- Baseball Reference - MLB Stats site
- Lookout Landing - Mariners Blog
i guess we really are a bunch of stat nerds!
by xbhaskarx on Dec 14, 2005 7:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blez needs to turn that into cash:
I don't mean that he should be paid for it, BUT, I know that they will highlight every A's page for him with an AN invitation.
I have spoken to the guy who runs the site and I told him that I would link his site in all of my stuff because it is the best. He was willing to do something for me that would increase traffic.
Jump on it Blez!!!
by saint on Dec 15, 2005 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just saw this
"In Ethier, the Dodgers acquired one of the top hitting prospects in the Oakland system. A 2003 second-round pick out of Arizona State, Ethier is a career .312/.382/.455 hitter in 284 minor league games and had a breakout campaign in 2005, batting .318/.385/.497 in 131 games for Double-A Midland, earning Texas League player of the year honors. He had a solid season in the Arizona Fall League where he also earned the Dernell Stenson Award for sportsmanship. Ethier is a gifted hitter, but average speed and a below-average arm limit him to left field. With just average power at best, scouts are mixed as the Ethier having enough offense firepower to profile as an everyday corner outfielder in the big leagues. He's expected to begin the year at Triple-A Las Vegas."
So, the folks that are still wondering if we gave up too much for Bradley and Perez, there ya go.
by ChickenStanley on Dec 14, 2005 7:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he's profiling more and more like ...
I mean, I don't want to anti-bandwagon the guy, but ...
by monkeyball on Dec 14, 2005 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well put...
I too hope he does well with the Dodgers, but over the course of the last year, I have heard the same knocks on him. Either way, ANY time you can get two good major league players for a AA prospect, it is a good trade.
by ChickenStanley on Dec 14, 2005 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Barton or Buck?
by Nick on Dec 15, 2005 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well for what it's worth, AN's most talked about
by theblackpearl on Dec 14, 2005 8:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I almost forgot
I think its maybe because the bay area is so much more open minded than a lot of places but I have never heard a peep from anybody about the lack of "color" in the clubhouse before the trade. Its almost like we never noticed before and had to look it up to make sure it was true. I think its speaks to the character of our fans and our team that it is such a non-issue to us. We may not have many black players but we definitely have our share of eccentrics. Thinking about it that way makes me believe that Game Boy can fit in.
by haze on Dec 14, 2005 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in Beane we Trust!
I was skeptical about Payton. I was concerned about Kotsay. I had question marks about Rincon, and Hatteberg, and Witasick. But Beane has reassured me year after year, and although in LA (where I am right now) where they are loving this deal, I'm somehow confident that Beane can turn Bradley into an All-Star (of course, since he's in Oakland, he'll never get the press, so he won't be an all-star).
Only 4 months to go.
by BruceBochteBiyatches on Dec 14, 2005 9:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don't judge him until he explodes
by haren4prez on Dec 14, 2005 10:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Here's MY reaction ...
Beane is a "Geane-yus!"
We now have the best (and the deepest) outfield in the AL. Uncle Miltie will be a hero, you'll see. He's an AMERICAN Leaguer and his season will be closer to the .321 year he had in Cleveland,
Now bring on Mr. Thomas, and Frankly m'dear, we will win win win win win win win win win ...
by Edwinwinwin on Dec 14, 2005 10:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
re
by 31Boots on Dec 15, 2005 12:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fresh start for Bradley
by kent1 on Dec 15, 2005 2:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
A second Ratto column on Milton
http://cbs.sportsline.com/columns/story/9096422
Highlight: " ... this is going to be fun. Zany, unpredictable, unsettling, even disturbing fun. Milton Bradley has all the tools Beane likes in a player, but he also has lots more X-factor than Beane and the A's are accustomed to, lots more."
He's such a grouch it's hard to read it between the lines, but I think he likes the trade.
by rubin sierra on Dec 15, 2005 2:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
ps
by rubin sierra on Dec 15, 2005 3:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry
by secret ASian man on Dec 15, 2005 3:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is he using the royal "we"
by TheCatch on Dec 15, 2005 9:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blez interview with Bradley
by Joe Pye on Dec 15, 2005 5:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
At the end of 2006
by dougald1 on Dec 15, 2005 6:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers made their bed
by Sam Dracula on Dec 15, 2005 8:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
great stuff
by the stare on Dec 15, 2005 9:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You know what just makes me giddy?
Yanks:
Weak rotation
Poor defense
Who plays center? (might be solved with Damon)
Red Sox:
Terrible bullpen
Who plays short? Third? Center?
Twins:
Still no hitting
Angels:
Holes in rotation
Outside of Vlad, pitiful lineup
Rangers:
Still no pitching
Other teams aren't worth mentioning for obvious reasons. 2006 is looking pretty rosy right now isn't it?
by baseb3383 on Dec 15, 2005 11:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Going to have to strongly disagree with you
Their bullpen might be good as well. A healthy foulke, timlin, Craig Hansen, lenny dinardo, Guillermo Mota, bradford and arroyo. Rotation of Beckett, Schilling, Papelbon, Clement and Wakefield.
If they don't trade Manny, they'll probably be stacked next year.
by SuperDingus on Dec 15, 2005 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I totally agree...
I'd look for them to finish about where they were last year, in playoff contention, but not a serious World Series threat unless they get healthy and effective innings from Beckett and Schilling.
by baseb3383 on Dec 15, 2005 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Um...
Clement was the pitcher most screwed over by their bullpen in the majors, you can check www.baseballprospectus.com if you'd like.
Papelbon has a promising minor league record with stellar strike out rates and a couple successful major league starts. As well as his work out of the bullpen.
Beckett, well. Not sure about Beckett, if he doesn't progress or regress at all he's probably likely to put up an era around 4.00, probably a little less.
They still have Arroyo, who is probably a better spot starter and more durable than Saarloos. As well as Lester and DiNardo as the seventh and eighth starters. Their defense should be much better, since Millar, Bellhorn, Damon (hopefully), and Renteria are gone.
And um, why does it take a different type of team to win in the postseason, as opposed to the regular season?
by SuperDingus on Dec 15, 2005 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of your points are valid
First, on Papelbon, he's made some starts, he's had some bullpen work, and he's projected well at the minor league level. That's fine. What I'm saying is that he might not be great this season, he's still an unknown quantity without a full season's worth of starts. The sample size is too small to project him as a successful starter (under 4.00 ERA I'm assuming) until he's been put out there for 210 innings in a season. I would've said the same thing about Haren and Blanton last year; they both happened to work out, that's great. But there are things that would worry me about Papelbon; a WHIP of 1.47 is not good (17 walks in 34 innings? Yikes.)
Clement's stats were a marked decline from the NL no matter how you slice the bullpen problem; his WHIP increased from 1.28 to 1.36, and BAA went up to .260 from .229. K's also went down, not by much, but 25 less from two years ago and 54 less from last year is not really something you can ignore. I'd expect him to get a little better, but not much, he'll probably be around a 4.20 ERA.
Arroyo is a capable spot starter and certainly much better than Saarloos, but is he better than the top 5 of an Oakland staff that probably won't miss many starts?
I feel that the durability issue is the one we're really debating here; I'm arguing that Oakland's staff is much better given their likelihood to put up 220+ IP in a season (save Harden of course). Oakland's top 5 will start more games and pitch more innings than Boston's top 5. Boston's staff is worse by the numbers (most of the players you've projected will have anywhere from about a 3.60-4.70 ERA, that sounds about right, putting them towards the middle of the AL) but is capable of a decent season given their offense. I don't think many Boston fans like the idea of a Wakefield-Clement-Papelbon-Arroyo-Lester/DiNardo rotation, but that's what probably will happen for a good part of the season given Schilling's age and health concerns (okay, it was 15 months, but two years was a rough estimate) and Beckett's injuries.
Also, I never said anything about a different type of team needed to win in the postseason, I simply stated that if this team misses Schilling and Beckett for significant amounts of time (which, I think, is fairly likely), the pitching doesn't look great for obvious reasons.
Finally, maybe it would be best to put down likely WHIP numbers for both staffs so you can see what I mean about Oakland's staff being superior:
Oakland:
Zito - 1.21
Blanton - 1.25
Loaiza - 1.35
Haren - 1.23
Harden - 1.10
Saarloos - 1.42
Boston:
Papelbon - 1.30-1.40
Wakefield - 1.27
Clement - 1.33
Schilling - 1.20 (if healthy, possibly up to 1.30-1.40 if not)
Beckett - 1.21
Arroyo - 1.32
Note that this is also assuming no improvement for Haren, Blanton, or Harden based on their previous stats. This is my last post on this topic though, I'll stand by my beliefs.
by baseb3383 on Dec 16, 2005 1:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How Crazy is he?
http://www.dodgerblues.com/content/features_moments.html#bradley1
http://www.dodgerblues.com/content/players/milton_bradley.html
His middle name is Obelle...
by niallmack on Dec 15, 2005 2:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Bradley deal...
The questionable thing in my mind is the price! Come on, guys..... Ethier??
I have a tough time remembering a prospect with that kind of hype and expectation! Maybe our SS, and I assume that we can agree that he's worth more than Bradley...
Who else... Chavvy? Tejada? They've done pretty well for themselves....
Off course I agree that all prospect don't cut it when (or if) they get to the show(Piatt...), but it just seems to me like we could've got more for Ethier - and I believe that "the Rat" has a valid point with the "not so much looking at the future, but concentrating on the now"-remark!
by anAfromfaraway on Dec 16, 2005 1:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
low risk / high benefit deal
by johnspaz7 on Dec 19, 2005 6:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs


















