A's pitching. How good?
How do you measure pitching? There was some controversy when the Cy Young went to Colon. Some felt just because of his W-L record. since the pitcher has no control over the amount of runs his team scores, it makes sense to rate pitchers by what they can (to a degree) control. The runs the opposition scores. aka ERA.
I will just try to make the analysis simple. There are 14 AL teams. (I elimiated the NL teams because of the DH) It makes a fair argument to say that the top 14 pitchers in the AL according to ERA are indeed the top 14 pitchers. It stands to reason then that the next 14 pitchers are the second best.
The following is a listing of the AL starting pitchers (not just a reliever who got a few starts) ranked according to ERA, and separated into groups of 14.
Halladay Tor 2.41
Harden Oak 2.53
Hernandez Sea
Chacon NYY
Millwood Cle
Santana Minn
Buehrle CHW
Washburn LAA
Baker Minn
Silva Minn
Lackey LAA
Rodgers Tex
Colon LAA
Garland CHW
Blanton Oak 3.53
Contreras CHW
Towers Tor
Chacin Tor
Haren Oak 3.73
Byrd LAA
Kazmir TB
Lee Cle
Johnson NYY
Chen Bal
Zito Oak 3.86
Garcia CHW
Badard Bal
Wang NYY
Sabathia Cle
McCarthy CHW
Radke Minn
Wakefield Bos
Saarloos Oak 4.17
Lohse Minn
Young Tex
Moyer Sea
Mussina NYY
Wells Bos
Robertson Det
Westbrook Cle
Bush Tor
Arroyo Bos
Cabrera Bal
Johnson Det
Clement Bos
Bonderman Det
Elarton Cle
Santana LAA
Maroth Det
Pavano NYY
Carrasco KC
Lopez Bal
Fossum TB
Miller Bos
Meche Sea
Franklin Sea
Hernandez CHW
Leither NYY
Hernandez KC
Rodriquez Tex
Lilly Tor
Douglass Det
Waechter TB
Pinero Sea
Mays Minn
Park Tex
Sele Sea
Schilling Bos
Greinke KC
Hendrickson TB 5.90
Oakland ends up with the 4th best rotation.
In order:
Minn- three #1 (Santana, Baker, Silva), zero #2, two #3 (Radke, Lohse), zero #4, one #5 (Mays, but he is a FA now) How did this team miss the playoffs!?
LAA- three #1 (Washburn, Lackey, Colon), one #2 (Byrd), zero #3, one #4 (Santana), zero #5
CHW- two #1 (Buehrle, Garland), two #2 (Contreras, Garcia), one #3 (McCarthy), zero #4, one #5 (Hernandez)
Oak- one Ace (Harden), three #2 starters (Blanton, Haren and Zito) and one #3 (Saarloos)
Cle- One #1 (Millwood), one #2 (Lee), two #3 (Sabathia, Westbrook), one #4 (Elarton) zero #5
Tor- one #1 (Halladay), two #2 (Towers, Chacin), one #3 (Bush), zero #4, one #5 (Lilly)
NYY- One #1 (Chacon), two #2 (Johnson and Wang), one #3 (Mussina), one #4 (Pavano), one #5 (Leiter, now with FL, thats six starting pitchers under contract through 2006 when you include Wright.)
Bos- Zero Aces, Zero #2, three #3 (Wakefield, Wells, Arroyo) one #4 (Clement), one #5 (Schilling)
Sea- One #1 Hernandez, zero #2, one #3 (Moyer, but he is a FA now), two #4 (Meche, Franklin), two #5 (Pinero, Sele) Plus they have Foppert
Tex- one #1 (Rodgers), zero #2, one #3 (Young), zero #4, two #5 (Rodriquez, Park)
Det- zero #1, zero #2, one #3 (Robertson), three #4 (Johnson, Bonderman, Maroth), one #5 (Douglass)
TB- zero #1, one #2 (Kazmir), zero #3, one #4 (Fossum), two #5 (Waechter, Hendrickson)
Bal- zero #1, two #2 (Chen, Bedard), zero #3, two #4 (Cabrera, Lopez), plus Ponson 7.11 ERA
KC- zero #1, zero #2, zero #3, one #4 (Carrasco), two #5 (Hernandez, Greinke) Plus lots of AAA players.
So? Can we afford to trade the 25th best pitcher (per ERA) in the AL. If so, what is the 25th best pitcher worth? A bat and two prospects?
If not, can we afford to resign him? What is a 27 year old, former Cy Young winning, left handed SP worth? Three years/$30 million? Five years/$63 million?
0 recs |
6 comments
Comments
Trouble is,
P.S. The Twins missed the playoffs largely due to an anemic offense and, finally, fate-sealing injuries to Torii Hunter and Carlos Silva.
by Nico on Nov 27, 2005 8:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also
by salb918 on Nov 27, 2005 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the Minn question was slightly rhetorical
But what of the Zito question? What is the benchmark for a LH SP with a career ERA of 3.50 and have averaged 201 innings a year for 6 years?
Pitcher age ML service avg innings Career ERA salary 2005 2006
M Redman 31, 7 yrs, 140, 4.47 4.25 4.95
A Pettitte 33, 11 yrs, 190, 3.78 8.5 17.5
J Washburn 30, 8 yrs, 144, 3.93, 6.5 FA
R. Johnson 41, 18 yrs, 199, 3.11, 16 16
M. Buehrle 26, 6 yrs, 204, 3.78, 5.75 7.75
K. Rogers 40, 17 yrs, 168, 4.21, 3.5 FA
J. Moyer 42, 19 yrs, 165, 4.16, 8.0 FA
D. Wells 42, 19 yrs, 168, 4.06, 2.5 2.5
There is no benchmark. The closest might be Andy Pettitte. 17.5 million in 2006. Ouch!
by Hang Man on Nov 27, 2005 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another Method.
example.
Halladay = 1
Harden = 2
Santana = 6
and so on. Then to calculate the teams 'pitching' you would add up the SP's ranking...the team with the lowest number having the best pitching.
Oakland = 94
Anaheim = 100
See? My system is flawless! J/K
by FireballerHARDEN on Nov 27, 2005 8:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
isn't that the XC method...
by Jjjsixsix on Nov 27, 2005 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

by 


















