Josh Beckett Likely to the Red Sox
The Red Sox needed starting pitching and a third baseman. It appears they've found both. Beckett and Lowell join the Red Sox while Lucchino and company begin dismantling the farm system Theo built.
This could be the start of something big because if the Marlins could get this for Beckett and a guy who was just limp with his bat last year. The market could get very interesting if top prospects are going like this.
It will be interesting to see if Beckett can remain healthy for an entire season. Regardless, I think that the pilot light has finally been lit on the hot stove.
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by AlwaysSweatin on Nov 21, 2005 5:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
whats funny
by Alien on Nov 21, 2005 5:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant
by SeanR on Nov 21, 2005 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like it
by socal on Nov 21, 2005 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do they need to win in '06?
by AlamedaAphid on Nov 21, 2005 7:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because some random fan said so on a blog
by xbhaskarx on Nov 21, 2005 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at the trade deadline lots of teams
by OaklandSi on Nov 21, 2005 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Red Sox have a taker for Lowell
If they don't have a taker for Lowell, then they are basically agreeing to eat most of Lowell's contract and trade away two stellar prospects to get Beckett.
Still, if Beckett is healthy in '06, even if he only maintains last year's stats (29 starts, 180 IP, 15-8, 3.38 ERA)... having him in the rotation is huge, and might even be worth it if they get nothing out of Lowell.
by socal on Nov 21, 2005 5:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why do the Sox a 3rd baseman?
by pbruins92 on Nov 21, 2005 6:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They need a 1B, too
by jeepers on Nov 21, 2005 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy
by rightbackin on Nov 21, 2005 6:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Really?
by jeepers on Nov 21, 2005 6:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well 2003 Josh Beckett...
by rightbackin on Nov 22, 2005 2:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as an A's fan
by xbhaskarx on Nov 21, 2005 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Implications
Their rotation is playoff ready. Beckett could win 20 with that offense, but who cares? This gives them a 1-2 punch like the 2001 D-backs come playoff time. Every playoff series they play, the other team will have to take at least 1 from Schilling/Beckett and sweep Clement/Wells/Wakefield.
Finally (and most importantly), Zito's value is through the roof. He's more proven, more durable, and arguably as good a pitcher. The Marlins got 2 top prospects while still unloading Lowell's contract-Billy is licking his chops right now. If he could swing a deal for a young SP and a young power bat PLUS another prospect (which should be plausible, given this trade), I'd say go for it.
by Doug on Nov 21, 2005 6:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
rotation
by AlwaysSweatin on Nov 21, 2005 6:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Arroyo
by Doug on Nov 21, 2005 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention keith foulke
by SuperDingus on Nov 21, 2005 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
free agent?
by AlwaysSweatin on Nov 21, 2005 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think
by devo on Nov 21, 2005 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Prospects
For every Mark McGwire deal - nothing in return, there is a Doyle Alexander deal (Alexander for Smoltz for those of you too young to remember - Alexander won 7 games down the stretch and was largly responsible for the Tigers winning the East division pennant in '87).
Its just something to think about when you want to trade Zito for prospects. You're not guaranteed anything, while, Zito guarantees (or as close as you can get) you innings and a 1 or 2 starter.
Just food for thought.
by IndianaAsfan on Nov 21, 2005 8:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey Jeremy
by gatling on Nov 21, 2005 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tentative schedule
Everything subject to change, of course.
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/oak/schedule/tentative_2006_season_schedule.jsp
by NomAd on Nov 21, 2005 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a steal for Boston........
He will be a nice 2 years rental that will yield 2 draft picks himself if another team signs him away from Boston.
Also, Mike Lowell, will definately be a better hitter than he was last year and hit for more power at the hot corner than Youkilis ever would.
In addition, it allows the BloSox to cut loose with has-beens like Millar, Olerud, Wells, and Mueller.
What's not to like about this trade from Boston's point of view? They have plenty of money.
by GangGreen23 on Nov 21, 2005 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also good news for the A's
In exchange, they get an ace (if he stays healthy) for two years plus one of the best third basemen in baseball (whose value was down because of an off year).
I also like it because it puts the Rangers back at square one. Sure, Blalock is a better hitter than Lowell, but we have no idea what Lowell would do in a hitter-friendly paradise. More importantly, it keeps the Rangers searching for a new #1. The thought of Texas having one of the best pitchers in all of baseball makes me squirm.
Between this and all the talk about Millwood and Burnett, Billy must be jumping up and down. So maybe the A's should trade Zito for a couple of top outfield prospects, and then trade Ethier and Barton for Dontrelle Willis.
by richwol on Nov 21, 2005 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since when is lowell worth $8.5 mill a year?
by SuperDingus on Nov 21, 2005 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the Best Pitchers
As for Lowell: is he worth $8.5M a year? I think people at athleticsnation.com spend too much time figuring out if someone is "worth" the money they're getting. In the case of the Red Sox, Lowell is a much better third baseman than Mueller and hits for more power. His OPS in the two years prior to 2005 was .875, which is pretty much where Eric Chavez also has been in the few years prior to 2005 --- and they made the same salary in 2005.
Nobody in their right might would think the A's should spent $8.5M or more on a player coming off a season with a .658 OPS (unless he's a certain catcher). but for a team with a much larger budget like the Sox, a player like Lowell is definitely worth that kind of money. Particularly if he's part of a package with Beckett.
by richwol on Nov 21, 2005 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ERA
by Ryan Armbrust on Nov 21, 2005 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Take a look at his road splits
by devo on Nov 21, 2005 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you could put up a sub-4.00 era in that park
by xbhaskarx on Nov 21, 2005 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Case in Point...
by Ryan Armbrust on Nov 21, 2005 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fear mecir!!
by xbhaskarx on Nov 21, 2005 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fish pulled a fast one
by rickeytime on Nov 21, 2005 9:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A Fast One?
by richwol on Nov 21, 2005 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gonna have to disagree with you on Lowell
And its not like Beckett is an innings eater anyway. He topped out at 180 IP I believe one year? I don't see his blister problems going away.
(BTW did you see how I said 4.5 GPA instead of ERA? lol. too much school :( )
by rickeytime on Nov 21, 2005 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
If Lowell continues to suck, and Beckett winds up a bust, then my previous posts will be completely wrong.
I look at it this way: if Boston is out of the picture in '06, that's one less good team for the A's to beat. I'm okay with that.
by richwol on Nov 21, 2005 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lowell isn't a major upgrade though
by SuperDingus on Nov 22, 2005 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
An average pitcher?
by OaktownPower on Nov 21, 2005 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WS MVP
And Matt Young threw a no-hitter once. A single performance should never be the measuring stick of a player's ability.
by grover on Nov 21, 2005 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong again
by As89 on Nov 22, 2005 1:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in the 2003 world series
by Athletics fan and runner on Nov 22, 2005 3:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what i've done to offend
by grover on Nov 22, 2005 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Young?
by OaktownPower on Nov 22, 2005 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Young is a perfect example
Beckett had a great game but the rest of his career has not matched that performance. Young pitched a pretty good game (he did lose so ya can't say great) but the rest of his career did not match that performance. Clemens got rocked in the 2005 play-offs, a performance that did not match with the rest of his HOF career.
by grover on Nov 28, 2005 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hahah
by rickeytime on Nov 22, 2005 1:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1111
by Brian in 317 on Nov 22, 2005 6:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For me?
And take a look at Beckett's stats. The only negative is the blisters. If those are under control, he is elite.
He's freaing only 25! Not like they dealt for some aging SP.
Beckett will win a CY Young in Boston. Bank it.
by OaktownPower on Nov 22, 2005 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Complete List
- Roger Clemens
- Pedro Martinez
Beckett has always pitched in a fantastic pitchers' park in a major-league backwater. He obviously did great in his only postseason as a 21-year old. So did Jaret Wright. So far, Beckett has proven to be a hard-throwing, talented, injury-prone young pitcher. He has yet to throw as many as 180 innings in a single season. He has yet to have a single season as productive and successful as Joe Blanton's rookie year, which most of the baseball world felt comfortable ignoring.
Maybe he'll put it all together and win 25 games next year. Who knows? But he was probably the 3rd-best pitcher on a team that barely finished over .500 last year. And he's about to learn the pleasure of pitching to DHs all year and giving up 315-foot homers in front of a pissy crowd of self-styled baseball experts. Don't put him in the record books yet.
by Nick on Nov 22, 2005 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i just hope you've learned a lesson
"Beckett will win a CY Young in Boston. Bank it."
that's the kind of ridiculous statement that belongs on baseball tonight, not athletics nation...
by xbhaskarx on Nov 22, 2005 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Washburn for CY!
by Sharon on Nov 22, 2005 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love all these opinions!
by A'sfansince1970 on Nov 21, 2005 9:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What a deal for Boston...
by OaktownPower on Nov 21, 2005 10:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Beckett...
by As89 on Nov 22, 2005 1:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
this could be good
by Brian in 317 on Nov 22, 2005 6:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is sort of like the Mulder trade
But next season, and maybe 07 too, the Red Sox will likely reap the benefits.
by Alien on Nov 22, 2005 9:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
As someone who owned Josh twice in fantasy ball...
His pattern is that he's great for 4-5 starts, gets torched, and then, miracle of miracles, he's got a blister problem.
Personally, I think that he just timed one of his 40 inning hot streaks for the playoffs in 2003, and that his best value to a team would be as a dominant RP. But since he was the WS MVP, he won't get that opportunity until something else falls apart later.
He's also, of course, going to really enjoy watching those left-field outs in Miami turn into doubles and homers in Fenway.
Also, please note that Edgar Renteria murdered the Sox last year; didn't hit a lick, committed a ton of errors. And they just dealt the SS prospect that could have saved them from more of that.
This is not the new Clemens, coming to absolve Boston of all their sins. It's more like the new Pavano, so the Sox have an underperforming big name to match the Yanks in their own private war.
by DMtShooter on Nov 22, 2005 11:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hickup...I'll drink to that...Hickup!!!
by saint on Nov 22, 2005 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fascinating
My hope: Lowell tanks, the Beckett illusion is exposed, Boston prospects end up overrated. Nothing personal, but that would be best for the A's...
by Apricot on Nov 22, 2005 12:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
well, obviously
i think you're looking at this trade all wrong: it's not a question of which team got ripped off.
the red sox prospects most likely aren't that great, and beckett is overrated (road stats, injuries). really the big question is will lowell hit like 2004 lowell or like 2005 lowell. he's young enough at 31 where it could go either way, plus playing at fenway should help a bit.
by xbhaskarx on Nov 22, 2005 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
BTW it would be interesting to revisit that thread on minorleagueball.com comparing Beckett and Harden. My recollection is that the majority of comments favored Beckett, though most said it was close. I wonder what they would say after this year, given both pitcher's injury issues?
by Apricot on Nov 22, 2005 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
beckett and harden
i have been thinking of that old beckett v harden threat on minorleagueball ever since the beckett trade rumors started.
given beckett's road numbers and the fact that his injuries seem to be a more chronic thing than the ones harden has dealt with, i'd have to say harden in close to a landslide. or at least, that's what it should be. i mean, harden pretty much kicked beckett's ass this year in everything but innings pitched.
i'm just looking over that old thread. i wonder if this david cameron guy from u.s.s. mariner still stands by his comment:
"Beckett in a landslide
For me, this isn't even close. But I think Rich Harden is pretty overrated"
of course, beckett once pitched well in a game in new york a few years ago, in case you hadn't heard!
by xbhaskarx on Nov 23, 2005 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love it if...
by A'sfansince1970 on Nov 22, 2005 12:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lowell
by Larry E on Nov 22, 2005 3:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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