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Josh Beckett Likely to the Red Sox

The Red Sox needed starting pitching and a third baseman.  It appears they've found both.  Beckett and Lowell join the Red Sox while Lucchino and company begin dismantling the farm system Theo built.

This could be the start of something big because if the Marlins could get this for Beckett and a guy who was just limp with his bat last year.  The market could get very interesting if top prospects are going like this.

It will be interesting to see if Beckett can remain healthy for an entire season.  Regardless, I think that the pilot light has finally been lit on the hot stove.

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If limp bats are fetching returns like that, just imagine what we could get for Kendall, the most flacid bat this side of the Mississip.
What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? If your numbers go up, you're having more fun.

by AlwaysSweatin on Nov 21, 2005 5:23 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

whats funny
At the trade deadline everyone refused to give up ANY decent prospects. Everyone talked about how the game was changing so much with everyone wanting to build from within. Maybe that was just a little bit premature.

by Alien on Nov 21, 2005 5:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant
Package Kendall with Zito, get top prospects.  I like it.

by SeanR on Nov 21, 2005 5:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like it
Prospects are not enough.  The A's need to win in '06, not build for '09 and miss the playoffs 'til then.

by socal on Nov 21, 2005 5:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do they need to win in '06?
If they're gearing up for a new stadium and/or a new city, they don't want to peak before the move...
"You can throw your cocks if I don't care!" - Iggy Pop

by AlamedaAphid on Nov 21, 2005 7:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

because some random fan said so on a blog
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 21, 2005 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

at the trade deadline lots of teams
had (or thought they had) a shot at the postseason. That no doubt was a big part of the reason that so little happened then.

by OaklandSi on Nov 21, 2005 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If the Red Sox have a taker for Lowell
... this might look a lot better for them.

If they don't have a taker for Lowell, then they are basically agreeing to eat most of Lowell's contract and trade away two stellar prospects to get Beckett.

Still, if Beckett is healthy in '06, even if he only maintains last year's stats (29 starts, 180 IP, 15-8, 3.38 ERA)... having him in the rotation is huge, and might even be worth it if they get nothing out of Lowell.

by socal on Nov 21, 2005 5:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Lowell
"might even be worth it if they get nothing out of Lowell."

especially since they are rich and can afford to pick up a bad contract

Joe Blanton is phat

by gojohn10 on Nov 21, 2005 6:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do the Sox a 3rd baseman?
They have Kevin Youkilus
I <3 Macha. I trust Beane. Blanton isn't fat. Go A's.

by pbruins92 on Nov 21, 2005 6:00 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

exactly

by SuperDingus on Nov 21, 2005 6:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They need a 1B, too
So they could play either Youk or Lowell at that corner.
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Nov 21, 2005 6:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy
Seeing Beckett as one of the best pitchers in the game, I don't know if I would trade him for A-Rod or Manny straight up.  I know that those prospects are highly touted, but wow.  

by rightbackin on Nov 21, 2005 6:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Really?
I'd drive Josh Beckett to the airport if it got me Manny or A-Rod.
A Beane in the hand is worth $60M in payroll

by jeepers on Nov 21, 2005 6:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well 2003 Josh Beckett...
And I would still rate the 2005 somewhere in the top 10 considering his upside at 25.  Actually that was a pretty bold statement, maybe I'm still in shock that the Red Sox have the biggest trade right now...

by rightbackin on Nov 22, 2005 2:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

as an A's fan
all i have to say is: if only the red sox would interview you for their GM job.....
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 21, 2005 6:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Implications
    BoSox are the team to beat in 2006 at this point.  Neither of those guys were going to crack the lineup before 2007 (if ever), and adding Lowell (1 year removed from an 870 OPS) will make that lineup frightening, especially if Manny stays put. They have a hole in CF, but will find a solution by either resigning Damon or via trade.
   Their rotation is playoff ready.  Beckett could win 20 with that offense, but who cares?  This gives them a 1-2 punch like the 2001 D-backs come playoff time.  Every playoff series they play, the other team will have to take at least 1 from Schilling/Beckett and sweep Clement/Wells/Wakefield.  
   Finally (and most importantly), Zito's value is through the roof.  He's more proven, more durable, and arguably as good a pitcher.  The Marlins got 2 top prospects while still unloading Lowell's contract-Billy is licking his chops right now. If he could swing a deal for a young SP and a young power bat PLUS another prospect (which should be plausible, given this trade), I'd say go for it.

by Doug on Nov 21, 2005 6:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

rotation
rotation is old and suspect, Clement was never the same after getting drilled in the face, and wells is outta there. They have rotation issues. Arroyo is prolly gone too.
What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? If your numbers go up, you're having more fun.

by AlwaysSweatin on Nov 21, 2005 6:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Arroyo
I know Wells wants out (whether it will happen or not remains to be seen), why won't Arroyo be back?  Clement doesn't need to be anything more than back of the rotation cannon fodder to get his 12-15 wins for the year, and Schilling will finally be recovered from surgery. It could blow-up given their injury history, but they have Wakefield in the bullpen and Papelbon et al. ready to step in if needed.

by Doug on Nov 21, 2005 7:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention keith foulke
and craig hansen

by SuperDingus on Nov 21, 2005 7:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

free agent?
What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do? If your numbers go up, you're having more fun.

by AlwaysSweatin on Nov 21, 2005 7:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Arby
pretty sure he's going into his last year or two of salary arbitration

by Doug on Nov 21, 2005 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Prospects
are prospects for a reason.  They haven't proven anything yet.  This may turn out to be a good trade for Boston, and it may turn out to be a steal for Florida.  We won't know for a year or more down the road.
For every Mark McGwire deal - nothing in return, there is a Doyle Alexander deal (Alexander for Smoltz for those of you too young to remember - Alexander won 7 games down the stretch and was largly responsible for the Tigers winning the East division pennant in '87).
Its just something to think about when you want to trade Zito for prospects.  You're not guaranteed anything, while, Zito guarantees (or as close as you can get) you innings and a 1 or 2 starter.  
Just food for thought.

by IndianaAsfan on Nov 21, 2005 8:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hey Jeremy
Once the schedule comes out, we need to work out a road trip or two.  Maybe Cleveland, Detroit, or Chicago.  Keep in touch, we need to make a Kane County run next year also.  Take care and happy holidays.
...it's like an angry mob confronting a deaf-mute who is signing curse words at them.-Monkeyball

by gatling on Nov 21, 2005 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tentative schedule
is on the A's website. Dates, but not times.
Everything subject to change, of course.

http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/oak/schedule/tentative_2006_season_schedule.jsp

Thank You Bill... Go A's

by NomAd on Nov 21, 2005 11:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a steal for Boston........
this trade is thievery by the Red Sox.  Who cares about the 2 or 3 prospects they are giving up to the Marlins?  Those can be replaced in next years' draft or the one after.  Meanwhile, they get an ace in Beckett, who has pitched beautifully in the playoffs, IN Yankee stadium.

He will be a nice 2 years rental that will yield 2 draft picks himself if another team signs him away from Boston.  

Also, Mike Lowell, will definately be a better hitter than he was last year and hit for more power at the hot corner than Youkilis ever would.

In addition, it allows the BloSox to cut loose with has-beens like Millar, Olerud, Wells, and Mueller.

What's not to like about this trade from Boston's point of view?  They have plenty of money.

GangGreen23

by GangGreen23 on Nov 21, 2005 8:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Also good news for the A's
I agree this was a steal for Boston. Lester and Papelbon, the Sox' two top-tier starting prospects, stay with the club, and as for Hanley Ramirez, he was very expendable. Renteria is only 30 years old and will almost certainly revert to form in 2006.  
In exchange, they get an ace (if he stays healthy) for two years plus one of the best third basemen in baseball (whose value was down because of an off year).

I also like it because it puts the Rangers back at square one. Sure, Blalock is a better hitter than Lowell, but we have no idea what Lowell would do in a hitter-friendly paradise. More importantly, it keeps the Rangers searching for a new #1. The thought of Texas having one of the best pitchers in all of baseball makes me squirm.

Between this and all the talk about Millwood and Burnett, Billy must be jumping up and down. So maybe the A's should trade Zito for a couple of top outfield prospects, and then trade Ethier and Barton for Dontrelle Willis.

by richwol on Nov 21, 2005 8:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Since when is lowell worth $8.5 mill a year?
And since when does a 117 career era+ qualify you as being one of the best pitchers in baseball?

by SuperDingus on Nov 21, 2005 9:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

One of the Best Pitchers
After getting his feet wet in his rookie season, Beckett has put up ERAs of 3.04. 3.79 and 3.38 It's also obvious he has the stuff to dominate. I'd call that one of the best pitchers in baseball.

As for Lowell: is he worth $8.5M a year? I think people at athleticsnation.com spend too much time figuring out if someone is "worth" the money they're getting. In the case of the Red Sox, Lowell is a much better third baseman than Mueller and hits for more power. His OPS in the two years prior to 2005 was .875, which is pretty much where Eric Chavez also has been in the few years prior to 2005 --- and they made the same salary in 2005.

Nobody in their right might would think the A's should spent $8.5M or more on a player coming off a season with a .658 OPS (unless he's a certain catcher). but for a team with a much larger budget like the Sox, a player like Lowell is definitely worth that kind of money. Particularly if he's part of a package with Beckett.

by richwol on Nov 21, 2005 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ERA
Beckett has never finished in the top 10 in the NL in ERA. Partly because in the NL, a mid 3 ERA is only above average, not great at all. Also, because he has never pitched more than 180 Innings in a season. He's only once pitched enough to qualify, in fact. He has a 3.46 career ERA, and as previously mentioned, a career ERA+ of 117, which is not enough to put him in the "best pitchers in baseball" category. In his career, he's only twice finished in the top 10 in any meaningful pitching category. #7 in H/9 in 2005, and #9 in K/9 in 2005.
Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Nov 21, 2005 9:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you could put up a sub-4.00 era in that park
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 21, 2005 11:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Case in Point...
Jim Mecir put up a 3.12 ERA there this year...
Go A's -- Nebraska

by Ryan Armbrust on Nov 21, 2005 11:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

fear mecir!!
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 21, 2005 11:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fish pulled a fast one
Beckett is probably the most overrated pitcher in the game today. If you look at his splits, he has had like a 4.5 road GPA last year. Take him out of Pro Player stadium and all you have is a average pitcher with a great fastball and a bunch of blisters. Trading Beckett with so many years and while still in the afterglow of the 2003 world series was a brilliant move IMO. And they dumped Lowell at the same time! Now, of course this hurts the fish for next year, but man. If you're gonna slash payroll that is the way to do it.

by rickeytime on Nov 21, 2005 9:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

A Fast One?
How could you even say the Fish pulled a fast one? Even if you're right about Beckett being overrated, Lowell is still a major upgrade from Meuller, and the Red Sox --- in getting a starting 3B and at worst a mid-rotation starter and at best an ace --- gave up their #3 minor league starter and a shortstop whose way was blocked by Edgar Renteria. Both these guys were going to be trade bait, no matter what. So they got two top tier players and gave up --- well, what they were going to give up at some point anyway.

by richwol on Nov 21, 2005 9:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gonna have to disagree with you on Lowell
The guy is gone. A little less than 10 mil for a .200 hitter signed for several years. Excellent. Now they will have trouble signing Damon.

And its not like Beckett is an innings eater anyway. He topped out at 180 IP I believe one year? I don't see his blister problems going away.

(BTW did you see how I said 4.5 GPA instead of ERA? lol. too much school :( )

by rickeytime on Nov 21, 2005 9:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever
Lowell's had a single bad season. Good players tend to bounce back.

If Lowell continues to suck, and Beckett winds up a bust, then my previous posts will be completely wrong.

I look at it this way: if Boston is out of the picture in '06, that's one less good team for the A's to beat. I'm okay with that.

by richwol on Nov 21, 2005 10:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lowell isn't a major upgrade though
Mueller played really solid defense last year, not to mention he posted an ops of .938, .811 and .799 with boston.

by SuperDingus on Nov 22, 2005 9:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

An average pitcher?
Average pitchers dont shut out the Yankees to win the World Series....IN Yankee Stadium.  He's nowhere near average, no matter what his road "GPA" was last year.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Nov 21, 2005 10:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WS MVP
And he missed half the season before he pitched his gem vs. the Yanks. I'm not sure what percent of the game is just showing up, but I bet it's an important amount.

And Matt Young threw a no-hitter once. A single performance should never be the measuring stick of a player's ability.

by grover on Nov 21, 2005 10:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong again
it was 3 or 4 games not a single performance. The kid has shown the ability to dominate under pressure.

by As89 on Nov 22, 2005 1:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

in the 2003 world series
Beckett pitched in two games, one in yankee stadium.  1 win and 1 loss.  
Kendall Haiku by FormerHuntsvilleStar, " Ball in hand, a leap,--- a veteran catcher blocks--- and secures a win"

by Athletics fan and runner on Nov 22, 2005 3:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure what i've done to offend
you in the past, but OP was referring to one specific game. It would help everyone if you read the comments preceeding the responses, then you might fully understand the conversation.

by grover on Nov 22, 2005 7:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Young?
Cmon now....a random regular season game vs Cleveland in April is not comparable to a game 6 of the World Series in Yankee Stadium.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Nov 22, 2005 11:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt Young is a perfect example
of not making a judgement on a player based on one performance. He's also a pitcher that most of the older A's fans will know already so I don't need to put up stats and stuff. Would you have preferred I used Ken Cloud's play-off performance vs Cleveland?

Beckett had a great game but the rest of his career has not matched that performance. Young pitched a pretty good game (he did lose so ya can't say great) but the rest of his career did not match that performance. Clemens got rocked in the 2005 play-offs, a performance that did not match with the rest of his HOF career.

by grover on Nov 28, 2005 9:39 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hahah
I love how a whole year of crappy play by Lowell is too small a sample size for you but OMG Beckett's WS  in 2003 means that he is the next coming of Clemens!!1111eleventy LOLLOL

by rickeytime on Nov 22, 2005 1:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

1111
isn't that number actually eleventyeleven?  comes right before eleventytwelve?

by Brian in 317 on Nov 22, 2005 6:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For me?
Lowell sucks..Did I say he was good?

And take a look at Beckett's stats.  The only negative is the blisters.  If those are under control, he is elite.

He's freaing only 25!  Not like they dealt for some aging SP.

Beckett will win a CY Young in Boston.  Bank it.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Nov 22, 2005 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well
it's certainly possible that Beckett could win the CY instead of a more deserving pitcher.

<cough>Colon</cough>

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Nov 22, 2005 11:53 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Complete List
of pitchers who've won the Cy Young while pitching for the Red Sox:
  1. Roger Clemens
  2. Pedro Martinez
Even if Fenway isn't the hitters' paradise it once was, it's still a hitters' park and it is virtually impossible for anyone to win the Cy Young there.  The only 2 guys ever to do it are two legitimate candidates for the title of greatest pitcher of all time.  You don't get LaMarr Hoyt or John Denny or Pete Vuckovich or Bartolo Colon winning the Cy Young in Boston.

Beckett has always pitched in a fantastic pitchers' park in a major-league backwater.  He obviously did great in his only postseason as a 21-year old.  So did Jaret Wright.  So far, Beckett has proven to be a hard-throwing, talented, injury-prone young pitcher.  He has yet to throw as many as 180 innings in a single season.  He has yet to have a single season as productive and successful as Joe Blanton's rookie year, which most of the baseball world felt comfortable ignoring.

Maybe he'll put it all together and win 25 games next year.  Who knows?  But he was probably the 3rd-best pitcher on a team that barely finished over .500 last year.  And he's about to learn the pleasure of pitching to DHs all year and giving up 315-foot homers in front of a pissy crowd of self-styled baseball experts.  Don't put him in the record books yet.

"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s

by Nick on Nov 22, 2005 12:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i just hope you've learned a lesson
and don't bet five ANers that this will happen, because it almost certianly never will.

"Beckett will win a CY Young in Boston.  Bank it."

that's the kind of ridiculous statement that belongs on baseball tonight, not athletics nation...

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 22, 2005 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i meant
learned a lesson from foolshgame22
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 22, 2005 1:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Washburn for CY!
"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Nov 22, 2005 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love all these opinions!
Only time will tell, right? I say keep Zito unless we get frontline players for him, not prospects! He's much better than Beckett!

by A'sfansince1970 on Nov 21, 2005 9:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

What a deal for Boston...
Elite level SP's arent easy to find.  Yanks should be worried.
Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Nov 21, 2005 10:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't Beckett...
the kid who completely dominated the Yankees in the World Series? I know that according to some around here the World Series and playoffs in general are all based on luck but he seems pretty good to me. Or pretty lucky, which is even better.

by As89 on Nov 22, 2005 1:08 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

this could be good
for both teams.  Fish unload, gain future health.  Boston addresses starting pitching problem; so what they got an expensive redundancy too? Also, so what they lost future talent? They've got plenty of money to buy FA replacements.

by Brian in 317 on Nov 22, 2005 6:47 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This is sort of like the Mulder trade
In the long run, its probably going to look like the Marlins won big.

But next season, and maybe 07 too, the Red Sox will likely reap the benefits.

by Alien on Nov 22, 2005 9:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

As someone who owned Josh twice in fantasy ball...
I can tell you he's not nearly as satisfying as he should be.

His pattern is that he's great for 4-5 starts, gets torched, and then, miracle of miracles, he's got a blister problem.

Personally, I think that he just timed one of his 40 inning hot streaks for the playoffs in 2003, and that his best value to a team would be as a dominant RP. But since he was the WS MVP, he won't get that opportunity until something else falls apart later.

He's also, of course, going to really enjoy watching those left-field outs in Miami turn into doubles and homers in Fenway.

Also, please note that Edgar Renteria murdered the Sox last year; didn't hit a lick, committed a ton of errors. And they just dealt the SS prospect that could have saved them from more of that.

This is not the new Clemens, coming to absolve Boston of all their sins. It's more like the new Pavano, so the Sox have an underperforming big name to match the Yanks in their own private war.

by DMtShooter on Nov 22, 2005 11:03 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hickup...I'll drink to that...Hickup!!!
"Carlos Pena, Staring Into the Sun Looked Like He Was Stoned On Acid" - Bill King

by saint on Nov 22, 2005 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

fascinating
I don't think I've seen this polarized an analysis of a trade ever. That is, people on both sides making convincing, passionate arguments that one team got completely ripped off.

My hope: Lowell tanks, the Beckett illusion is exposed,  Boston prospects end up overrated.  Nothing personal, but that would be best for the A's...

by Apricot on Nov 22, 2005 12:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

well, obviously
it would be best if ALL players not on the a's sucked.

i think you're looking at this trade all wrong: it's not a question of which team got ripped off.  
the red sox prospects most likely aren't that great, and beckett is overrated (road stats, injuries).  really the big question is will lowell hit like 2004 lowell or like 2005 lowell.  he's young enough at 31 where it could go either way, plus playing at fenway should help a bit.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 22, 2005 1:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ok
I'm just saying there are a lot of people arguing that one side or the other got ripped off. I don't have an opinion about that... it seems like there are so many what-ifs involved that I could easily see this trade working out well or badly for either side.

BTW it would be interesting to revisit that thread on minorleagueball.com comparing Beckett and Harden. My recollection is that the majority of comments favored Beckett, though most said it was close. I wonder what they would say after this year, given both pitcher's injury issues?

by Apricot on Nov 22, 2005 2:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

beckett and harden
everyone else is arguing over which side got ripped off, but we expect more from you around here!

i have been thinking of that old beckett v harden threat on minorleagueball ever since the beckett trade rumors started.  

given beckett's road numbers and the fact that his injuries seem to be a more chronic thing than the ones harden has dealt with, i'd have to say harden in close to a landslide.  or at least, that's what it should be.  i mean, harden pretty much kicked beckett's ass this year in everything but innings pitched.

i'm just looking over that old thread.  i wonder if this david cameron guy from u.s.s. mariner still stands by his comment:
"Beckett in a landslide
For me, this isn't even close.  But I think Rich Harden is pretty overrated"

of course, beckett once pitched well in a game in new york a few years ago, in case you hadn't heard!

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Nov 23, 2005 12:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would love it if...
The trade totally tanks for the Sox and the Yanks also blow and the Blue Jays make the playoffs. The tide is turning, I can just feel it. The Marlins are building toward the future and I can't say I blame them with the '05 just above .500 season they had with lots of expensive talent. This trade makes me look forward more to '06 (he says optimistically as always!)

by A'sfansince1970 on Nov 22, 2005 12:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Lowell
He is also very good defensively.

by Larry E on Nov 22, 2005 3:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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