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Link Dump 10/30

No one posted it yet, so I guess I will.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?id=2206624

One of the worst articles I've ever read about anything. Rivals Joe Morgan in stupidity. Its about hockey and how GAA and S% should be ignored, since the league is more offense oriented.

Prospectus Notebook Oakland:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4574

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wow
whoever wrote the NHL thing is an idiot. He has a point in that some variables related to GAA and Save  Percentage aren't taken into account, but it's the same with all stats. As i remember a few years ago when Jarrod Washburn had 7 wins early in the season but his ERA was over 5.5, John Kruk was arguing on Baseball Tonight that he was the front runner for cy young/all star starter (can't remember which) because of his 7 wins. "It shows that he keeps his team in the game" he argued. Well, if he's consistently giving up 4/5 runs in 6/7 innings, this is not the case. He's not giving his team the best chance to win the game. THeir  are exceptions, like if Kruk could show that in 6 of those wins, 85%plus came in the first two innings,  showing that he kept his team in the game (or some stat like that). This wouldn't make him Cy Young, but would mean something. Same with Hockey. If the Goalie stops 45 out of 50 shots, his save percentage is 900, decent i guess. But it's a heroic effort that he could stop so many and his team wins the game. The writer makes this point. But this isn't the case very often. Most of the time it's like 36-40 or something like that.

P.S. I want more FJM material! Nothing new in like four days.

RIP Bill King "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 30, 2005 6:01 AM PDT reply actions  

More Ozzie
ballwashing.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=2204842

Can't find nothing but crap today.

I <3 Macha. I trust Beane. Blanton isn't fat. Go A's.

by pbruins92 on Oct 30, 2005 8:04 AM PDT reply actions  

someone sent this to me a few days ago...
oaktown embassadors bubb rubb and lil sis:

http://www.shelbygroup.com/media/wowo.wmv

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 30, 2005 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

Bubbs?
... TimeLine? Time is not made out of Lines! It is made out of Circles. That is why Clocks are Round!!!...

by Zonis on Oct 30, 2005 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

HAHA. BEST POST.
Street is a friggin physical marvel... -Mychael Urban

by rookieoftheyear on Oct 30, 2005 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Slow link day
but at least it's freakin' gorgeous outside.

by ArakSOT on Oct 30, 2005 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

seriously
lets get somethin goin over here.

So, in any NBA fantasy leagues?

RIP Bill King "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 30, 2005 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

i guess AN needs
some ex-lax to get this dump going.
I <3 Macha. I trust Beane. Blanton isn't fat. Go A's.

by pbruins92 on Oct 30, 2005 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

computer wiz's
Need help- I got a laptop. Every time i shut the screen, and then i open it it starts at the welcome screen (where you sign in the username). How do i change it to just stay on the desktop?
RIP Bill King "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 30, 2005 10:41 AM PST reply actions  

Its probably under your Power Managment
there will be an option to Log Out when screen is closed, and you need to undo that.

Just go to Control Pannels and tinker

... TimeLine? Time is not made out of Lines! It is made out of Circles. That is why Clocks are Round!!!...

by Zonis on Oct 30, 2005 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Or
when you're about to shut down, just on that "turn-off" dialogue box, scroll mouse over to standby, hit shift key, then click hibernate.

by arch on Oct 30, 2005 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

When you close the lid
does the computer go into standby?  If so, you can change it to do nothing in Control Panel -> Power Options, under the Advanced tab.  Otherwise, you can change it so that it does not prompt for a password when returning from standby (same location).

If the computer does not go into standby, it could be that your screen saver has turned on and it is set up to go to the welcome screen on return.  To change this, go to Control Panel -> Display, then the Screen Saver tab.

by calgbear on Oct 30, 2005 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

So you want a link?
Bill Plaschke is dusgusting.
"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Oct 30, 2005 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

my hatred for Plascke is blinding...
that should be disgusting.
"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Oct 30, 2005 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I quit.
"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Oct 30, 2005 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

That just pisses me off.
Remind me to boo L.A. hard.  Those bastards and their fans have a 12-second memory.  DePo brought them their first season that mattered in over a decade, and they can him after an injury-laden season.

I know we have all been ranting about this the past few days, but that columnist is an ass personifying that mindset.  I couldn't even finish reading it.

"Put a Milo on him." -Billy Beane

by kaweahkaweah on Oct 30, 2005 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I call for a mass spam e-mailing
Sign him up at those spam e-mail sites too!
... TimeLine? Time is not made out of Lines! It is made out of Circles. That is why Clocks are Round!!!...

by Zonis on Oct 30, 2005 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

a present for monkeyball
based extremely loosely on a monkeyball screenplay (basically, I was too lazy to do the original script)... I present to you:

Advertisment for Nacho Runs

Hope the link works.

by Apricot on Oct 30, 2005 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

Nice
You have too much time on your hands.
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2005 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

good work
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 30, 2005 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Bill Plaschke
Should burn in hell.

I mean it.

RIP Bill King "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 30, 2005 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

More on the Dodgers.
McCourt jesters strike again
"You look at the Dodgers, and they've had five GMs in six years. Before that they had three GMs in 40 years," McCourt said. "That stability was a big part of their success over the years."

Actually, McCourt said that on Feb. 16, 2004, the day before he introduced DePodesta as the first employee of the rest of his life.

McCourt was the only Dodger person who spoke in front of a microphone Saturday, and he essentially said nothing. The Dodgers didn't win, I want to win, therefore I fired DePodesta, even though McCourt praised his intellect and his work ethic and even had the brass to say he liked him.


"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Oct 30, 2005 11:04 AM PST reply actions  

The sad part is that
Rosenthal's piece is the least ridiculous of the pieces of I've read re: DePo.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5036306
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2005 11:29 AM PST reply actions  

wow! reasoning and making sense!
though not exactly, but hey, better than the loser who writes for the LA times.
Don't tell the Raiders, either. Just leave Mt Davis at the site, with a note: "We believe this is yours, Al. Enjoy! - AN" - calgbear

by Jjjsixsix on Oct 30, 2005 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd like a little help
I'm working on an A's art project and would like to know some of AN's favorite Moneyball quotes or quotes from A's articles.

Any information you have on the URL, article date, page number, chapter, etc., would be appreciated.

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2005 11:32 AM PST reply actions  

Moneyball Ch. 7 Giambi's Hole
page 158

"The pleasure of rooting for Goliath is that you can expect to win. The pleasure of rooting for David is that, while you don't know what to expect, you stand at least a chance of being inspired."

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Oct 30, 2005 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Moneyball Ch.8 Scott Hatteberg, Pickin' Machine
page 170

"These are the kind of guys you go to war with. The Scott Hattebergs."
-Ron Washington

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Oct 30, 2005 11:52 AM PST up reply actions  

That was going to be mine!
I am using that for my scrapbook page for Hatty! I love that quote!
"If I'm not having fun, then I am not playing well" ~Bobby Crosby

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Oct 30, 2005 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I really need to reread Moneyball.
I have it sitting on my "bookshelf" (actually in a crate) right now, but I just don't have time to read it. Maybe over Thanksgiving.

What's your art project? Something extra-special super-duper cool?

"A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings." -Earl Wilson

by whiteshoes40 on Oct 30, 2005 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really. :(
More decoupaging. It's just something to keep me busy.

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2005 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Moneyball Ch. 12 The Speed of the Idea
page 280

"He'd been the perfect vessel for an oddly shaped idea, and that idea was on the move, like an Oakland A's baserunner, station to station. The idea had led Billy Beane to take action, and his actions had consequences. He had changed the lives of ballplayers whose hidden virtues otherwise might never have been seen. And those players who had been  on the receving end of the idea were now busy returning the favor."

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Oct 30, 2005 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Moneyball p 280
"The Speed of an Idea"

"And he was left with his single greatest fear: that no one would really know.  That he and Paul...

...for a brief moment, he was right and the world was wrong."

You can fill in the rest from your copy of MB, I just don't feel like retyping a whole paragraph.

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2005 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Moneyball Ch.5 The Jeremy Brown Blue Plate Special
page 107

"The draft room, at the moment, has an all-or-nothing feel to it. If the Oakland A's land Nick Swisher, nothing could mar the lovliness of the day. If they don't, nothing that happens afterward can make life worth living."

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Oct 30, 2005 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't have to type
the entire quote if you don't want to. You can give me just the first part of it if it's too long.

Thanks again!

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2005 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

okay :)
Moneyball Ch. 2 How to find a ballplayer
pages 41-42

"When asked which player, on the Oakland A's draft board, most resembled the young Billy Beane...

...Bogie just smiled, shrugged, and said no more."

"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Oct 30, 2005 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

From more recent times
"Baseball is riven, just now, between the Old School Neanderthals and the Stat Wonk Futurists."

From a column that is no longer available online:
http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2005/10/12/91411/313

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2005 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Does anyone remember
the article from last year about Mark Kotsay playing on winning team for the first time in his MLB career? I can't seem to find it now. :(

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2005 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Quote...
oldie but goodie. Dug this out from the ESPN archives: http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2002/s/2002/0930/1439307.html
It's from 2002, why Eric Neel says everyone should root for the A's. But reading it again made me kind of depressed. :( I miss Miggy. And Huddy. And Mulder. And... yeah.

My favorite line: "Drama, baby, drama -- root for the A's and feel the adrenaline rush." (Bad part: he misspelled Hatteberg a sentence earlier.)

"A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings." -Earl Wilson

by whiteshoes40 on Oct 30, 2005 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

The epilogue
The triple of Jeremy Brown's imagination was, in fact, a home run. Swish and everybody laughing at him.

by ArakSOT on Oct 30, 2005 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, I have a few.
I don't know some of the sources. I just kinda grabbed them and wrote them down on sticky notes when I saw them. So I am sorry if I am qouting something that someone here on AN said and I am not giving them credit.
  • Baseball is the most important thing in the world that doesn't matter
  • Give me the long shot and a snowball's chance and I will always be happy!
  • I'm so Green and Gold, I hang on every pitch, not just every game! -Lew Wolf
  • If you didn't love that game, you don't love baseball! -Nick Swisher after the Anaheim game.
"If I'm not having fun, then I am not playing well" ~Bobby Crosby

by BobbyCrosbysGirl on Oct 30, 2005 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The first two are mine.
I was quoting someone for the first one.  I don't remember who said it, but it's one of the best things I've ever heard.  If anyone knows, I would love to give credit.
Barry and the "Intangibles"

by Duke of left field on Oct 30, 2005 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

If you'll allow me
to indulge myself, I think you might find something to pick out of the last paragraph of this post, along with the subsequent replies.
Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2005 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That was one of the first ones I printed out.
:)

Love it.

I think I have more than enough now. Big thanks to everyone for the help!

by Jennifer on Oct 30, 2005 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Mine.
When he's finally certain that the ball is gone for good, Scott Hatteberg raises both his hands over his head, less in triumph than disbelief. Rounding first, he looks into the Oakland dugout. But there's no one left inside--the players are all rushing onto the field. Elation transforms him. He shouts at his teammates. He's not saying: Look what I just did. He's saying: Look what we just did! We won! As he runs, he sheds the years at the rate of about one every twenty feet. By the time he touches home plate, he's less man than boy.(p262).

"It isn't that she wants baseball fans to know who her husband is. She wants him to know that they know who he is. And so, from the end of December to the start of spring training, in the drizzling rain, with her daughters wailing that they want to go home, she whacks big league ground balls at her husband." (p 165)

"Denise," says Billy, "Billy Beane, Vice President and General Manager of the Oakland Athletics. Denise, who is the best-looking GM in the game?" Pause. "Exactly right, Denise. Is Steve there?" (p196)

From Aces:
But not more than five minutes later, after the reporters have dispersed, Hudson comes clean. "I was kinda tellin' the truth," he says. "It wasn't 'Welcome to the AL West.' It was more like, 'Welcome to me, motherfucker.'" (p59)

Random quotes from the year:
 "I know the trainers are telling the guys to drink a lot," Macha said. "Water that is. They told me the same thing back in May, and it wasn't water."

"While I was there, it didn't always seem perfect, but when I look back on it I just might think it was perfect." --Eric Byrnes

"I was part of the youth movement, then I wasn't part of any movement, unless you count getting traded."
--pitcher Joe Kennedy, on being traded from the Rockies to the A's (Denver Post)

"We were talking about it earlier, [and agreed] this is the funnest team we've ever been on -- Little League, high school, whatever. This is great."  --Mark Ellis

"I speak fluent clown, it's not easy." --Crosby

"Baseball fans are junkies, and their heroin is the statistic." -Robert S. Wieder

by Kyli on Oct 31, 2005 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Ooh, I love all of those quotes!
One of my favorites is the "Who's the best looking GM in the game?"
That one is awesome!  :D
"I like Band Camp. He hits things." ~ Kyli (9/24/05)

by AsGirl on Oct 31, 2005 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

The latests "Sport's Guy"
Via page 2:
Peyton has Hall of Fame stats; Eli has All-Pro stats and an extra something that can't really be defined. You just know it when you see it. Jeter has it. Brady and Big Papi have it. Favre still has it from time to time. I think David Wright has it in him. So does Ginobili. Certain guys just seem to stand out in big spots. They have that extra something.

Gonorrhea, maybe?

Copernicus felt the same way about the geocentric crew.

by salb918 on Oct 30, 2005 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

NHL article
Pretty ridiculous to state wins as the most important stat for goalies.  Its the same thing in baseball with pitching, goals scored = run support.  

I do agree though that goaltending is less important in the new NHL.  You just cant expect a goalie to shut down an offense anymore, theres just too many scoring chances.  

Look at the Sharks, they have won their past 3 games with their 3rd string goalie.  I dont think Schaefer is very good, but they beat some excellent goaltenders in Turco, and Kiprusoff.  It was all about scoring clutch goals late.

by pickinmachine on Oct 30, 2005 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

hmm.
sounds like modern-era baseball to me...

except, pitching still does matter. i want to believe that goaltenders still matter, but seeing belfour suck in toronto is not helping me on that.

especially after heatley and the sens dumped 5 on him in 15 shots, or something like that.

disclaimer: i am NOT a leafs fan.

Don't tell the Raiders, either. Just leave Mt Davis at the site, with a note: "We believe this is yours, Al. Enjoy! - AN" - calgbear

by Jjjsixsix on Oct 30, 2005 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Belfour
is 41 years old, with a bad back, unable/unwilling to adjust to new rules, and is playing behind a not very defensive aware team.
But then again, I hate Eddie.
I <3 Macha. I trust Beane. Blanton isn't fat. Go A's.

by pbruins92 on Oct 30, 2005 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

zito
"The A's will listen to offers for Barry Zito: Not this again. Few expected general manager Billy Beane to trade Tim Hudson and, especially, Mark Mulder, but Beane doesn't turn away from the unexpected -- didn't he take back Ken Macha? -- and that might be truer than ever now that he's associated with owner Lewis Wolff, an out-of-the-box guy himself.

Zito is entering the final year of his contract (Hudson was dealt to Atlanta entering the final year of his contract) and could fetch what the A's need most, a big-time right-handed hitter to complement Eric Chavez. With Rich Harden, Dan Haren and Joe Blanton in the fold, the rotation would be solid with or without Zito."

"you know it's way cooler to be an A's fan" - billy beane to larry krueger

by gotgreen on Oct 30, 2005 1:39 PM PST reply actions  

I got something perfect for tomarrows Link Dump
but I need help. How do you embed a video clip?
... TimeLine? Time is not made out of Lines! It is made out of Circles. That is why Clocks are Round!!!...

by Zonis on Oct 30, 2005 5:20 PM PST reply actions  

doesn't appear to work
... TimeLine? Time is not made out of Lines! It is made out of Circles. That is why Clocks are Round!!!...

by Zonis on Oct 30, 2005 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Favorite Moneyball quotes
Sorry, I don't know the page numbers, but I copied them down way back when:

<< Throughout his career, Chad had responded to trouble not by looking inside himself to see what was there, but by dropping his point of release lower to the ground. His knuckles now scrape the dirt when he throws. "He's got nowhere to go," said Peterson, "unless he throws upside down." >>

Surprised no one mentioned this next one.  I'll give you the whole paragraph, but the last sentence is the real kicker:

<< But the wonderful thing about this little lecture was what happened right under Joe Morgan's nose, as he was giving it. Ray Durham led off the game for Oakland with a walk. He didn't attempt to steal, as Morgan would have him do. Scott Hatteberg followed Durham and he didn't bunt, as Morgan would have him do. He smashed a double. A few moments later, Eric Chavez hit a three-run homer. And Joe Morgan's lecture on the need to avoid playing for the three-run homer just rolled right along, as if the play on the field had not dramatically contradicted every word that had just come out of his mouth. >>

I remember watching that game on TV and thinking the exact same thing.

by iglew on Oct 30, 2005 11:29 PM PST reply actions  

Favorite non-Moneyball quote
We're like Menudo. You reach a certain age and you can't play here anymore.

-- Billy Beane

by iglew on Oct 30, 2005 11:30 PM PST reply actions  

I love that one.
A few years ago, I made the same comment to my brother...
"How much room do I have to cover out here?" -- Kotsay

by Sharon on Oct 31, 2005 3:28 AM PST up reply actions  

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