Ginter sent to Sacramento

by Dr Pez on Oct 20, 2005 4:13 PM PDT Comment 28 comments

The A's have sent Keith Ginter to Sacramento, which says to me, that they have no future plans for him. If they can trade him for a six pack and some beef jerky that'd be great, if not, maybe another team will draft him via Rule V (is that even possible?)

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-athletics-ginter&prov=ap&type=lgns

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rule V is not possible

He doesn't fit the rule V billing. This probabloy means they don't want him anymore though...

RIP Bill King "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 20, 2005 4:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Ginter & Rule 5

Ginter can be drafted in the Rule 5 draft, but the team that drafts him would also have to take his contract at over $1 million next year.

In fairness to Ginter, he was buried after getting off to a poor start. No one can hit playing as infrequently as he did in the second half of the season.

by rsquared on Oct 20, 2005 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rule V

Don't you have to hvae under 1 year of MLB experience or something of that nature?

RIP Bill King "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 20, 2005 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

Chris Gomez was selected by the Phils in the Rule V draft last year, and he's been in the big leagues for over 10 years.

by OaktownTribesman on Oct 20, 2005 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

ok, sorry. my bad folks.

RIP Bill King "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 20, 2005 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rule V

Does anybody know what Rules I-IV are? You never hear about a "Rule III draft".

by ArakSOT on Oct 21, 2005 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rule 5

The Rule 4 draft is actually the June draft of amateur players. I don't know if Rules 1-3 have anything to do with player drafts.

by rsquared on Oct 21, 2005 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rule 6

... is the midwinter draft of players with really hot asses. This has been Beane's greatest achievement: protecting the A's "assets" from other teams.

Bill loved butter.

by monkeyball on Oct 21, 2005 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you mean ...

Ruhle V, longtime pitcher for the Pirates.

Bill loved butter.

by monkeyball on Oct 21, 2005 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

<police sirens wailing>

RIP Bill King "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 20, 2005 4:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Tried to edit

I actually tried to delete this diary, because the other one showed up seconds before mine - but I failed.

by Dr Pez on Oct 20, 2005 4:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

do you know how?

Just go to the edit diary button, and then there is a delete option.

RIP Bill King "By the Beard of Zeus!" "I don't know if you heard me counting. I did over a thousand"

by ohad on Oct 20, 2005 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe Ginter needs a groove

He did well during his short time in Sacramento, didn't he? Could this be a way to get him a few months of regular playing time so he can work himself back up to the level of tradebait again before July?

I felt bad for him this year (yes, there I go FEELING about players again, almost as if they're people and not commodities... LOL). I didn't think it was right for someone who is only middle-aged (in baseball years) to have to waste so much time on the bench, instead of being given a chance to play (in AAA, not in Ellis' place) and try to work himself out of his funk.

Bill King "was a genius. Off the charts. The rest of us are just pretenders." ~ Ken Korach

by Poppy on Oct 20, 2005 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Here's a Groove

"The 29-year old Ginter's batting average was third lowest in Oakland history among players with at least 150 plate appearances"

He didn't DESERVE to be on the 40-Man Roster, let alone the 25-Man Roster.

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Oct 20, 2005 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

what does it mean to be sent to

Sacramento in October when neither the AAA nor big league club is playing?

is there something in particular that he would be doing there at this time that he couldn't do in Phoenix -- or winter league?

I'm just curious as to his status, given that he is under contract at over $1 million next year. Any information would be appreciated.

by OaklandSi on Oct 20, 2005 5:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Ginter's Status

It means that Ginter could be drafted in the Rule 5 draft and that he doesn't have to be in spring training with the major leaguers.

He is still owed his 2006 salary by whatever team "owns" his contract. The A's would have to pay Ginter if he is still with the organization, but technically, he wouldn't count as 40-man roster compensation.

by rsquared on Oct 20, 2005 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

that's one expensive Rule 5'er...I wonder if anyone will pick him up, or if the A's are stuck with him

by OaklandSi on Oct 20, 2005 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

roster moves

Being outrighted means he was removed from the 40-man roster. This clears a spot for other players who will need to be added next month to protect them from the Rule 5 draft - this was discussed in another thread recently and Ethier, Komine, and Kohn are some of the likely candidates for this.

When a player is removed from the 40-man roster he has to clear waivers, but any team claiming him would have to assume the remainder of his contract. Assuming he clears waivers, Ginter will most likely be back in spring training as a non-roster invite, with the A's hoping that he hits well enough either in spring training or in Sacramento for another team to trade for him.

"They're like sheep...Baaaaaah" - Bill King

by andeux on Oct 20, 2005 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

good riddance

something that came up last week: if clemens has a better OBP than you and you're not a pitcher, you really shouldn't be on the a's.

clemens .281 obp, 58 ab, 31 g

thomas .255 obp, 46 ab, 30 g
ginter .234 obp, 137 ab, 51 g
melhuse .284 obp, 97 ab, 39 g

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Oct 20, 2005 7:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

another reason

adding Ginter, or Thomas for that matter (not so much Milhouse b/c there's alway's a need for a catcher) wouldn't be nearly as enticing to other teams. Wow, looking at that really puts a damper on the Ginter plus Jairo/other B prospect to Pit. for C. Wilson thread for me.

This same logic may be applied to any and all trade banter... but then we couldn't get J. Rollins (to play 2b) for Payton and Melhuse, huh? Damn, I was looking forward to that one. ; )

by StewFan on Oct 20, 2005 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ginter is so yesterday

We moved on to Brian Stavisky for Craig Wilson.

By the way, I would not be shocked to have someone grab Ginter, even at $1.4 mil for the year.

by Hang Man on Oct 20, 2005 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would be

happy, but shocked. I'm not saying he is a bad player (okay, I may have given that impression), but his value is at rock bottom, and that price is prohibitive. That much $ on a chance...?

by StewFan on Oct 20, 2005 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs