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Blez sold out, nothing else to it.

I am sure all those people that were nice enough to give Blez and interview knew that he would try and parlay that into a money making scheme they might have said no.

Billy, Paul, and all the rest gave Blez the interview thinking how great it is a fan sight is doing this.

Noe Blez tried to make money of their kindness?

I know what you're think that its only a design and he wont help.

The thats a bad buisiness move because who would want just a design unless Blez was spending time to maintain that which will take away from his A's page

Blez did nothing but sell out. Now everyteam will have a An type blog which hurts the feel of it plus makes it no better than MLB.com

Blez you had something really special but you had to give into money

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worthless
dude, if you don't like this blog, there are plenty of other A's blogs out there.  in fact, there are links to them on the main page.

second, you can start your own A's blog.  for free.  

if the people that blez has interviewed are upset, they probably wouldn't allow themselves to be interviewed by him again.  maybe if you created an alternative non-sellout blog they'd give you the interview instead.  

you've done nothing on this site except attack blez, which is getting a little suspicious.  
instead of being jealous, go do something worthwhile...

by xbhaskarx on Jan 24, 2005 12:23 AM PST reply actions  

I hope this is...
A joke by some idiotic giants fan...

by JCase on Jan 24, 2005 12:25 AM PST reply actions  

i was going to guess
that he's an economics professor at the university of chicago.

by xbhaskarx on Jan 24, 2005 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

or
a grammar prof from Harvard

by faninphilly on Jan 24, 2005 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked this blog
That was the point it was the best. But Blez is not selling out just for money, and its sad

What is sad is JCase thinkiing that if you dont like whats going on or if you disagree with Blez you are a giants fan or something

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 12:33 AM PST reply actions  

ok
so you liked this blog, it was the best.  
if that's the case, how come you only started posting today, and every single post has been you attacking blez?

by xbhaskarx on Jan 24, 2005 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

New screen name
I post more on the MLB.com A's board more

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 12:48 AM PST up reply actions  

this dude...
is really making a stand here.  Brave dissenting voice on AN.  I'm with you...I feel a bit betrayed.  Does a free transcript of the Billy Beane interviews come with the starter package, or do they have to upgrade to deluxe?  Looks like the atmosphere is changing from cultish to commercial.
"When I went to church that same Sunday, I picked up a 2x4. I went up to the pulpit and clubbed the preacher in the head..."--Wesley Willis

by Cutthemullet on Jan 24, 2005 12:35 AM PST reply actions  

Thank you for being bold
I like Blez, I do, and its foolish to think A's fans made this sight because it was Blez's out of the box thinking that made the old (pre-diary) AN great.

But AN has always been special like having the newest coolest shoes on the block. Soon everyone will have those shoes so whats special anymore.

I think all true A's fans know how much joy the A's give them seeing them win and do well. AN waqs a part of that but now it will be filled ina sea of clones and It isnt unique and special anymore.

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 12:39 AM PST reply actions  

xbhaskarx
i always like your understated posts, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here.  Blez is parlaying the success of the AN community for his own personal gain...I don't care how small-scale the plan is, it's heartless.  The green-colored glasses referred to in the Manifesto proved to be some prophecy.
"When I went to church that same Sunday, I picked up a 2x4. I went up to the pulpit and clubbed the preacher in the head..."--Wesley Willis

by Cutthemullet on Jan 24, 2005 12:44 AM PST reply actions  

i appreciate it
and notice i'm not attacking you, although i may disagree with you.  that's because you've been posting here for a while, and it's obvious you're an a's fan with opinions that are worth reading.  so you have reservations about blez's business venture, that's a valid opinion for one to have, i guess.  but take a look at this other guy's posting history.  this guy is obviously just a troll.  

but to respond to you:  if blez is trying to start a business to make some money, what's the big deal?  notice he's not charging you to read this site, be a member, post messages, etc.  if he did, that would still be a legitimate enterprise, but at least your opposition would make sense then since it would have an effect on you.  

by xbhaskarx on Jan 24, 2005 12:54 AM PST up reply actions  

You are a fool
I am a troll? I have A's season tickets.

Learn to accept the opinions of people yyou disagree with.

Blez has not inproved AN in a year. Aside from the interviews its the same old sight. Sell the design fine, but he better give A's fans a whole lot more

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 12:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Bingo
I second that.  All I'm saying is who cares that a bunch of Giants fans have their own little AN.  It's not affecting my experience here.  AN is still a place to exchange ideas and thoughts about the A's, well execpt for right now because we're discussing on whether or not Blez sold out.

I have my own blog on blogger and my template is just a generic blogger template of which I put some A's logos on.  So what makes my blog different from all the others of the same template.  Two things, A's logos and my opinions.  My posts is what makes my blog unique.  What happens here is what makes AN unique.  Grant and Redsfan and Cubbieguy can do all they want with the AN/Daily Kos template and it will not be the same.

"I love Scotch, Scotchy, Scotch, Scotch, here goes down, down into my belly, mm, mm, mm..." - Anchorman

by secret ASian man on Jan 24, 2005 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok
Your blog would look and feel the same as other startup blogs. Blez had something special with the look, the feel, and the interviews.

I hope Blez has some ways to make An special again because this is turninginto when MLB.copm had teams run their own sites and they switched over to all team site clones

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 1:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude
That look and feel was MINE, not Blez's. But I decided to bring it over to AN because it worked so well for my site. And hey, now I've decided that other sports fans should also benefit from my efforts, and so I'm building out similar sites for other teams.

And I asked Tyler to help me out, since he's obviously good at what he does.

You don't like it, it's a big blogosphere out there. Go somewhere else. But your whining is getting old.

by kos on Jan 24, 2005 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Hmm
Your not a very good blogger if you cant take someones opinions

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

No One Knows...
or cares what you're talking about, buddy.  For one thing, your post was so poorly written and edited that making sense of a single sentence is a challenge.  Also, however, you seem to be of the mistaken opinion that the rest of us know (or care) how Blez and Kos make their money.

I come to this site because I enjoy Blez's writing, the interest he has drawn from Beane, Schlusser, Urban, and others...and I enjoy the comraderie and banter of most of the people who post here.

Who cares about anything else?  I'm sorry you're offended by whatever it is you're talking about, but your recourse is simple - you don't have to read or participate in this blog if you don't want to.

by LD on Jan 24, 2005 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

ok
just voicing an opinion thats all, deal with it

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Good enough
to have the second largest blog on the web (behind Slashdot).

What I'm seeing here is that you can't handle anybody else's opinion, hence your Chicken Little act.

If anyone dare disagree with you or respond to you, you cry censorship.

Your opinion is duly noted. And it's been rejected by most. Now you have the choice of either accepting it, or moving on to another site.

by kos on Jan 24, 2005 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Its ok
What Ill just do is make a site too and use the same HTML on your site, make it look the same an call it Athletics World

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

All Talk, No Action.
Go for it - the code is obviously available for your use, and if you've got the content to back it up (which I seriously doubt), you'll have readers.

I for one won't be browsing your way..I'm quite content right here.

by LD on Jan 24, 2005 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Copyrights
"What Ill just do is make a site too and use the same HTML on your site, make it look the same an call it Athletics World."

There's a term for that. Its called copyright infringement and is usually the province of lazy, dull, and unimaginative people.

I might even consider representing Kos/Blez pro bono.

Marc

by Zepp on Jan 24, 2005 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

the problem is...
when a large part of the enjoyment people derive from this site is that no other team has something like this (which fits perfectly with the Moneyball A's image in the first place).  I think, at the very least, Blez should have consulted AN before proceeding with the plan.  
"When I went to church that same Sunday, I picked up a 2x4. I went up to the pulpit and clubbed the preacher in the head..."--Wesley Willis

by Cutthemullet on Jan 24, 2005 1:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Bwa?
No other team has a blog that doubles as a message board?

Are you joking?

Aside from that obvious mistake, I have no idea what the heck you people are talking about. Whoever owns the code can do what they want with it.  The idea that my enjoyment of AN might somehow suffer because someone in Maryland is enjoying Camden Camp, or someone in Chicago is liking the Clark Street Cubhouse is ludicrous.

If AN is fun, it's fun because of the people there.  The code and layout of the website facilitates what's naturally enjoyable, a discussion of Oakland A's baseball.

Reconnect with reality people.  By the looks of things, McCovey Chronicles has been up about two weeks.  Did anything here actually change for you in the last two weeks? Of course not.

by Nate on Jan 24, 2005 1:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Blez kept it from us
I love Blez's responce to us finding out.

-Opps It was a surprise, I guess you found me out.-

Blez has always alluded to new things but this he never did, why? because he knew if he asked us we wouldnt like it

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 1:42 AM PST up reply actions  

The thing Blez was alluding to...
Was the Billy Beane Interview, Parts I, II and III.
"I love Scotch, Scotchy, Scotch, Scotch, here goes down, down into my belly, mm, mm, mm..." - Anchorman

by secret ASian man on Jan 24, 2005 1:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I know
I ment whenever he had an interview or anything he wanted to surprises the ANers with he always alluded to it.

This buisness venture he never did which seems shady

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 1:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Well you don't like it.
I don't see why I should give a damn.

Message boards for all thirty teams exist.  There are blogs-slash-boards for probably most of those. That the guy who did ours is gonna try to expand his thing to other boards and make some money offer it doesn't affect me in the slightest.

This place is still here, and it's still not costing me a cent to read or post to this site.

As always, the only downside of AN continues to be that it's as easy for complete knuckleheads to do the same.

by Nate on Jan 24, 2005 1:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok
Well thats your opinion. I respect that

But its hypocritical of you to judge me on my opinion

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 1:58 AM PST up reply actions  

no other team had one...
as good as this.  Maintaining that status quo should be priority #1.  If other people want to imitate, let them, but don't facilitate such attempts.
earlier in another diary I compared it to an indie rock band selling out and signing with a major label (another thing I'm philosophically opposed to...I will be even if everyone else is against me and even if my allies were frauds), but it might be more comparable to Doyle Brunson's decision to publish the Super System, his poker bible, in the seventies, a decision he has regretted ever since (because it allowed others to catch up at his expense) but is so inextricably tied to that he will release the sequel in February.  Now I have indirectly benefited from his decision, because of the chain reaction popularizing poker that continues to this day, but if I were him I would have never thought about threatening the intimate secret-society atmosphere of his day that became extinct the second the book was published.  In hindsight, that's pretty much how he feels.  
as we see, sometimes people are too myopic to consider all the ramifications of their decisions, and they regret them later...
Call me naive, but for me it's about more than just, "well, as long as I don't have to pay, I don't give a damn".  
that's all I'm going to post on this topic, I've made my case
"When I went to church that same Sunday, I picked up a 2x4. I went up to the pulpit and clubbed the preacher in the head..."--Wesley Willis

by Cutthemullet on Jan 24, 2005 6:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Does everyone forget
that 'moneyball' is a book--available to anyone  (FOR MONEY); and, therefore, available for anyone (including other GM's)to use its ideas. Tell me how AN is different.  It's a better mouse trap.  It's someone(s') creative idea; and, he/they can make a commercial venture of it if they care to.  
The possessiveness ofthose claiming cyber savy amazes me.

by PhillyAs on Jan 24, 2005 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

did i miss something?
someone explain how we were screwed over apparently?
love, mike in canada

by oakland ehs on Jan 24, 2005 12:46 AM PST reply actions  

check out...
the mccovey chronicles diary
"When I went to church that same Sunday, I picked up a 2x4. I went up to the pulpit and clubbed the preacher in the head..."--Wesley Willis

by Cutthemullet on Jan 24, 2005 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Every other team will have their own AN
With a team liek the A's that get no media press, no props, and no more than 20,000 fans out there, I feel An was a great equalizer.

Sounds odd but I could always say to a Giants fan "hey look at AN and see what quality of fans we have, look at the interviews and insight"

I see the book Moneyball as incredibly special, other teams have books but no one has the inside view and a book that changed the game liek Moneyball did.

AN seemed special too me to a team that is underappriciated it showed how the people liek Beane knew we existed.

It just will show Sabean, Cashman and others will do the same thing and AN loses what was special about it

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 12:52 AM PST up reply actions  

cashman
<It just will show Sabean, Cashman and others will do the same thing and AN loses what was special about it> uhhh, if steinbrenner found out that cashman was giving interviews to an AN type site, i don't know if it would fly (cashman might fly when george chucked him out a 20 story window).

by mcbronsh on Jan 24, 2005 1:23 AM PST up reply actions  

To these4thingsiknowaretru (and anyone who agrees)
  What made you read AN in the first place?  Was it the format?  The font?  The page layout?  If it was, then Blez selling all of this as a business venture might be offensive to you.  But I think we all know that what makes AN so great is Blez and the community, not web log technology.
  Unless, Blez sells grover and ohad, there can be no reason to think anybody sold out.  Are you saying that he's not allowed to profit from AN?  If AN was unique to you because of the layout, then I'm sorry but you were never a real part of the AN community in the first place.
  I thought you were a troll at first.  Maybe you're a giants fan laughing your ass off now.  If you are, more power to you.  You've succeeding in irritating the hell out of AN.  But if you are an A's fan, the content here is not going to change.  There's no way any other baseball blogger can get the access to their favorite GM like Blez can regardless of what blog software they use.
  You seriously don't make any sense man.  Even if you are a troll, there may be other people who might feel betrayed like you claim you.  Think about why you come to this site.  If the uniqueness of the blog layout was that important to you, then feel betrayed.  Say that Blez sold out.  Find another blog site to post your opinions.  And leave.  You won't be missed.
"We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me." Jack Handey

by davebenfremont on Jan 24, 2005 1:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok
Yea you tell me to go away just causeI disagree with you, classy.

And yes I started reading AN from the start in HUGE part to the design. Many other fan blogs are cluttered and hard to navigate. This one was clean, crisp, interesting, thats why I read it.

" There's no way any other baseball blogger can get the access to their favorite GM like Blez can"

Why not? What makes you think billy is the only GM that will interview with fans? Billy didnt do these interviews till a legitimate web blog came to place. Once other teams come up other Gms will speak out too. Plus Curt Schilling posts on the "Son of Sam" fanpage. If you have a few Boston fans that can do what Blez does imagine Curt, Foulke, Mueller and people giving interviews. If the players in places like Boston and NY have a great fan page they can talk in and know they will not have the media pull sounbytes from they will be huge

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 2:10 AM PST up reply actions  

AN is good
If he is able to get interviews w/BB, that's a good thing.  if it comes in installments, so what, i check the site like every fifteen minutes.  although, blez has a daughter now, so i think it is admissable for him to take a step back.  AN is a well developed community and it seems like there is enough people posting on it to keep it interesting.  i agree that  most of the headlines are dominated by the yankees, red sox and mets and it is sooo tired.

by mcbronsh on Jan 24, 2005 1:19 AM PST reply actions  

i'm going to go out on a limb here...
and assume that you're neither blez's parents nor his boss.  perhaps that's why he doesn't consult with you.  but all isn't lost, if you're not tied to your chair like the guy in "a clockwork orange," you can always go elsewhere, the internet is a very big place.  no one is telling you to go away, but why would you want to post on a site that "sold out" when you never bothered to post here before it did so...

by xbhaskarx on Jan 24, 2005 2:34 AM PST reply actions  

Shut yo mouth
Just cause Im not his boss or parents Im not allowed to have an opinion? If you dont agree say that but you need nothing to follow that.

This is a new screen name since I have a new e-mail. But its funny that a person has to have his name registered for his opinion to be validated by the all mighty god who is you.

Im an A's fan and thats all I need to be to have an opinion on A's related items

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 2:52 AM PST up reply actions  

A's related items ...
"Im an A's fan and thats all I need to be to have an opinion on A's related items"

What does this have to do with anything?
Blez is not the A's - Blez is an A's fan, like most people here.
What Blez does in his free time, or to make money, is up to him and has NOTHING to do with you, me, or anybody else ('cept said boss, parents, wife and daughter) and is definately not A's related.

Blez gives us a totally free ride on here, sharing his interviews with us, putting alot of free time in it - he can take it all away and there is nothing we can do about it, so let's be grateful for what we have.

As an aside, did you know that this blog was 'created' by Kos? Who used his own blog as a basis? Should the users of Kos' site be up in arms because AN ripped him off? Or maybe they should mind their own business.

Best Regards,

TK

by Tom @ Athletics Nation on Jan 24, 2005 4:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Blez sold out
Im allowed to have an opinion on what I want and whether you think that concernes me or not why do YOU CARE?

An started long before the format you see before you, but I bet you didnt know that.

Kos is a political site and AN is baseball related.

And I find it hypocritical you tell me I shouldnt care what he does yet you care what I think and try to dictate how I should think and care.

Blez is taking the interviews, and such that fans thought were great and tries to parlay that into money. He is giving away a special part of what makes the A's and that is fan understanding.

Blez says his dream is to write about the A's but he becomes a site designer and says he if going for his dream? BS

The A's have very few special thinks while we live in the shadow of the Giants, Moneyball and AN.

If you think I shouldnt care think that but I do care, I do

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 4:31 AM PST reply actions  

Can you explain to me
How Blez took his interviews and parlayed that into money?

Blez is taking his site design, and selling it to other people since he is so succesful. I guess we should all go tell Bill Gates to go fuck himself because he made this program called Windows and he sold it to everybody else, and now he's a billionare sellout. Your ideas are flawed man Blez isn't selling AN, hes selling a site design. Oh by the way why does it matter if it Giants? There are 29 other ones, even the Devil Rays will have one, but you aren't mad about that.

Peace up, A-Town Down (A town being Albany California, not Atlanta)

by ohad on Jan 24, 2005 4:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Foolish
Yes I am, I mentioned the Red Sox, Yankees, Giants, I also dont like the Reds, Royals and Devil Rays having an AN

Any idiot can make a site look like this, why would anyone buy this when I can make it in 5 minutes. He is sellign support, format, ideas, and help.

The interviews and such made this sight popular and in turn makes people want to have a site like this. If you take away all the interviews all you have is design and diaryies, and everyone has that.

Its the interviews which show that he has a product to sell. But of course blez doesnt care about keeping An special to the A's he cause only about money

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 4:52 AM PST reply actions  

Another Reason I think he sold out
I donated a little money to Blez during the old AN days. It wasnt much but it was something. Do i regret it NO!.

My point is I donated because Blez was doing soemthing for A's fans that no other team had. Blez had costs, webspace, time he spent on this site. All that cost dollars from his pocket.
I wanted to keep what he had going ( I doubt any of you thinking im a troll donated)

But I didnt donate so Blez could turn this site into a money making venture, I donated so Blez would continue doing what he did and have a special place for A's fans above what everyone else had.

Blez is a talented guy, and I am sure when the other sites start and he gives hius advice they will do well. But I wanted Blez to focus on what was special for the A's and not sell out and give away the site I really like for free.

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 5:06 AM PST reply actions  

exactly
you donate to non-profits, not upstart corporations.  
"When I went to church that same Sunday, I picked up a 2x4. I went up to the pulpit and clubbed the preacher in the head..."--Wesley Willis

by Cutthemullet on Jan 24, 2005 5:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Sounds to me
like you want a financial return on your investment. Which would be fine if this was a stock or something.

So what's your price? How much does Blez owe you?

by grover on Jan 24, 2005 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

This post makes no sense
Where is the materialistic gain for Blez? Is he raking in the dough here? Are we paying for the content?

There is a logic gap. Can you expound a bit here?

WTF?

by jayho on Jan 24, 2005 5:10 AM PST reply actions  

ok
He built this site through A's fans and the interviews people were nice enough to give.

Soon he will be selling his services like he already has for a Giants blog, and soon a Reds blog.

You all say "we dont pay for material"(because none of you were nice enough to donate)but it is backstabbing to create something great and special and unique to the A's then to sell it for money.

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 5:17 AM PST reply actions  

Selling his services?
What fucking services is he selling? He's not getting interviews of Brian Sabean and Jim Hendry and then selling them to the other Blogs! What is so hard to understand?! You act as if he is selling himself to do their whole blog for them. He's selling his way of blogging, since it is so succesful. He's selling this succesful design, the outline of the site! He isn't selling the way he writes his articles, or the ability to get top of the line interviews. What makes AN special is not the fact that we can make our own diaries, not the fact that we have a manifesto. What makes AN special is the person who runs it, and our ultimate love for the Oakland Athletics. What makes AN special is how we come together about our favorite team. You need to realize this. In a sense Blez is reporting for his favorite team. He's getting interviews, writing columns, and then mixing it up with the message board aspect of it too. And now hes getting paid for how well he does it, and how well he structured this site so that all of us check back here 5 times a day at least. The best atmosphere in the world. You should be happy for him instead of bitching about Blez becoming a business man.

I would like to take this time to fully support Blez in his pursuit of a business and also to thank him for making this the best site on earth.

Peace up, A-Town Down (A town being Albany California, not Atlanta)

by ohad on Jan 24, 2005 5:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Foolish
Your are foolish for thinking he is just selling the "look"  

Anyone who wants to start a website can look at the source code and see how he did it for free, so why pay him?

You act if Blez is the only person alive that can run a good website.

You dont think there are Reds, or Red Sox or Yankees fans who could do just as good a job, just you wait.

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 6:37 AM PST up reply actions  

So fuckign explain!
What is he sellling that is making you think he's a sellout?! !!!!!!
Peace up, A-Town Down (A town being Albany California, not Atlanta)

by ohad on Jan 24, 2005 7:06 AM PST up reply actions  

ok
Why make my own, I can just buy a copy of Blez's since they are for sale.

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 5:24 AM PST reply actions  

Then
do it and stop complaining.

by kat on Jan 24, 2005 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

ok
I only respond when people talk to me, like you did, for no reason

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

not true
no asked for your opinion in the first place.

by kat on Jan 24, 2005 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

You know...
Replying to a troll after they've been banned from the site is kinda redundant.

Just trying to be helpful.

"I love Scotch, Scotchy, Scotch, Scotch, here goes down, down into my belly, mm, mm, mm..." - Anchorman

by secret ASian man on Jan 24, 2005 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you....
making fun of him? Or was that an actual error? JW....

P.S. Thx for defending me. That was awesome. :)

My best friend- "I can't wait to go to A's games again! then i can be like...look at Crosby's buns... i mean... look at crosby run!"

by GreenNGoldGirl on Jan 24, 2005 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Anything for you Green
I was being serious. Banning him probably gave him some sort of validation... he'll think he was right and the only way Blez or Kos could counter him was by denying him access to this forum.

by grover on Jan 24, 2005 5:22 PM PST up reply actions  

you're right.....
He's probably going to be waiting for the money Ohad told him he'd give him if he went away. He'll be waiting by his PayPal account.... I hope he doesn't try to make a new blog name... He really got me upset. How rude. hehe lol
My best friend- "I can't wait to go to A's games again! then i can be like...look at Crosby's buns... i mean... look at crosby run!"

by GreenNGoldGirl on Jan 24, 2005 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

The code is free
You can download Scoop and use it for free anytime you're ready.

by scoop @ Athletics Nation on Jan 24, 2005 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Good for Blez
I'm happy for Blez because he has found a way to do what he loves and get paid for it.  My biggest hopes are Blez makes a few 100 million, pays back the 10 bucks (or whatever you donated) and with whatever money is left over he buys the A's.
"What I'm trying to do is set our pitching up for five years," said Beane

by Satchmo22 on Jan 24, 2005 5:30 AM PST reply actions  

ok
Well whatever I donated I am sure was more than you. But I dont care about the money.

He said his dream was to get paid for writing about the A's aka Mychael Urban. But how does he do that buy selling his website design?

And if you anything about website design is those companies do not make 100 million dollars

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 5:34 AM PST reply actions  

How are we screwed over?
If other team sites become similar and are able to get interviews with GMs then fantastic--their fans will be better off.  If Blez is making any money off this, then good for him!  It's still a free site, the quality is very good, and Blez works very hard to make it happen.  Who are we to deprive him of a buck or two?

by kaweahkaweah on Jan 24, 2005 6:51 AM PST reply actions  

Your right Blez only cares bout money
The A's fans had something sepcial with AN and because Blez wanted to make a buck its gone

An will soon no longer be unique or special.

Good job Blez

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 6:53 AM PST reply actions  

Please tell me specifically what is lost
Great interviews?  Check.
Knowledgeable, passionate A's fans posting?  Check.
Free access?  Check.

How are we being screwed?

by kaweahkaweah on Jan 24, 2005 6:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Because it will no longer be Unique
But I think honestly (Im not trying to be mean) it wont work out.

It might be at the start but do fans want to buy a pre packaged look? NO. Fans of the Giants, and NY will want a unique feel and look.

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't read this because it is unique
I read it because it is good.  I hope other fans can enjoy blogs as good as this one for their own teams (except Red Sox Fans, but that is another story).  If you were an Indians fan, wouldn't it be great to read an interview with the GM?

Sellout, to me, means compromising the quality for monetary gain.  There is no sign of that happening, or that happening in the foreseable future.  Besides, it's just the format that is spreading.  

by kaweahkaweah on Jan 24, 2005 7:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I could care less ...
whether or not every MLB team had a blog that looked just like the AN...
     -check that! ... make that every professional sports team!

I don't come here because its "unique"

I come here beacuse I want to see and share talk and ideas about the A's!

 ... and after thinking about it some ...
     I hope EVERY team does get as good a blog site going ...
       -that-a-ways whenever I want to check into something that is going on with another
        team I would be able to get into what their true fans are thinking and
        talking about ...

by Bleed Green on Jan 24, 2005 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

What?
"wouldn't it be great to read an interview with the GM?"

And Blez needs to sell the A's fans favorite sight so a Clevland fan can get an interview?

Why do they need this format for an interview to happen

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 7:06 AM PST reply actions  

They don't
need the format. He is sellingt his format because it is succesful. He's not selling the ability to get an interview! What exactly is he selling here that is making you shit your pants?! When you say "site" what do you mean? He's selling the format!
Peace up, A-Town Down (A town being Albany California, not Atlanta)

by ohad on Jan 24, 2005 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

ok
Answer me this? Why is the look succussful? Ive seen a million sites that look like this one.

What makes me mad is in a month you will have 29 other An clones so what will be so great about AN? He used the interviews people game him because he ran a free fan site and parlayed that into a money making scheme

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 7:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok
I'll answer. It's succesful because Blez has great articles, gets great interviews. It's succesful because we have a great fan base. It's succesful because we love the A's.

"He used the interviews people gave him because he ran a free fan site and parlayed that into a money making scheme"

What the hell does that mean?

"What makes me mad is in a month you will have 29 other AN clones so what will be so great about AN?"

The format is not what makes the site! What makes this site unique is Blez, and what he contributes. Not that Blez isn't funny, but some other guy running the Astros blog might be the funniest guy in the world, and that will make that site all the better. On the contrary, he might not get interviews with Tim Purpura and so on. ONE MORE TIME, THIS SITE IS NOT UNIQUE FOR THE FORMAT!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace up, A-Town Down (A town being Albany California, not Atlanta)

by ohad on Jan 24, 2005 7:21 AM PST up reply actions  

no
If it asnt the format why would people buy something Blez says he has nothing to do with in the first place if Ans success is all Blez? Why would they just buy the format which anyone can make?

And no offense Blez doesnt di that great of interviews. What makes them good is who he interviews

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 7:24 AM PST up reply actions  

ehh
I think Blez covers everything with the interviews he conducts, so I'd say he does he a great job with them
"When I went to church that same Sunday, I picked up a 2x4. I went up to the pulpit and clubbed the preacher in the head..."--Wesley Willis

by Cutthemullet on Jan 24, 2005 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Disagree
He does Ok i think.

Like the Riccardi interview, I wish he asked more questions about him, his life, and how be runs the Blue Jays. Instead almost every question was about what he thinks the A's are doing or what it liek to work with Billy Beane

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Riccardi interview
Blez didn't do the Riccardi interview, it was an AN reader that interviewed JP.

by kent @ Athletics Nation on Jan 24, 2005 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

So
Yes but if you remember Blez asked for imput on questions to ask so I am sure many of them were written by Blez

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

"Blez asked for imput"
Idk what imput is, but i know what imput is. Spell check your posts. Every post has like three mis-spelled words, and is also missing words right in the middle. It's really annoying to have to guess what your saying.

Blez asked for questions, the other guy is the one who cose what was actually asked. He took like two of the questions that we suggested here. You were almost right though.

Peace up, A-Town Down (A town being Albany California, not Atlanta)

by ohad on Jan 24, 2005 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Spell Check
Sorry buddy but you're also guilty mispelling some words too, of course not to the extent that this jackass does, but if you're going to tell people to spell check you ought to do the same.
I'm not trying to defend him in any way, but it just seemed way too hypocritical.

by Furious George on Jan 24, 2005 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It's Blez's baby
I hear that some people feel betrayed by Blez's ventures, but I can't get my mind mind around it. Say you like a bar; it's got a good ambiance, you've been going there for years, everyone knows your name. The owner makes some changes, and it doesn't ring your bell anymore. So go to a different bar. I guess I can sympathize that the good ol' days are gone, but I can't sympathize with attacks on Blez.
The triple of Jeremy Brown's imagination was, in reality, a home run.

by ArakSOT on Jan 24, 2005 7:13 AM PST reply actions  

Clones
Well see its more this way than a bar.

The A's get no respect for all they have done. AN was a great example of a way the A's fan can go to ANY other team and say look we do this better.

But because Blez wanted a buck he is allowing, no encouraging clones

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 7:18 AM PST reply actions  

i second that
keep up the fight
"When I went to church that same Sunday, I picked up a 2x4. I went up to the pulpit and clubbed the preacher in the head..."--Wesley Willis

by Cutthemullet on Jan 24, 2005 7:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Go For It Blez
I don't come to AN because of the page layout. I read AN for two main reasons:
  1. Great Diaries and discussion with intelligent A's fans
  2. Interviews, posts, etc. by Blez
None of that is changing. Just because there will now be 29 other blogs that LOOK like ours does not meen that AN is ruined. Blez isn't selling content and great fans to the other blogs. It's just the look of a webpage; the world will not end, and this blog will still be great. Just because there are other blogs out there that look like AN, AN is still way better and unique.
"I seen some shit." -Ron Washington, when asked about being the infield coach for the A's, a team that will start a blind man if he can get on base.

by Roscoe Parrish on Jan 24, 2005 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't sympathize with attacks on Blez
I don't know Blez, I'm a newbie to AN. I looked around at several A's blogs before finding AN, but I rarely go elsewhere now. AN had something no other site seemed to have, which was a real sense of community, and I quickly felt like I belonged.

I developed a loyalty to AN, not entirely unlike the loyalty I've had for the A's since the early 70s. And when people diss the A's, I get upset. And now, when people diss Billy Beane, the guy who runs the A's, I get upset. From your comments, I believe we have that much in common.

Similarily, when I hear people diss Blez, the guy who runs AN, I get upset.

What's the point of the diary? Are you hoping to persuade all of AN to see Blez as a sellout? To boycott the site? To send Blez nasty emails?

Reading over and over again that Blez is a sellout who only cares about money makes me want to revisit Bambi's notion about voting on diaries.

The triple of Jeremy Brown's imagination was, in reality, a home run.

by ArakSOT on Jan 24, 2005 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I wrote this diary
To express my opinion

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 7:54 AM PST reply actions  

I hate feeding trolls...
but I have to say, if you're so disappointed in the direction of the site, why don't you demand a refund for all the money you paid to read it?

Oh, wait...

See that "X" in the top right-hand corner? Give it a click, and all of your woes will disappear.

by Vic @ Athletics Nation on Jan 24, 2005 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

Huh?
You dont get it do you?
  1. Just cause someone has a diffrent opinion doesnt make them a troll.
  2. I have donated money but Im sure have not.
3)I am disapointed not in this site but the fact Blez took away something special to A's fans and now there wil be 29 clones out there

But if you spent the time to read the thread you would know that

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Your entire posting history on AN...
consists of posts attacking Blez for "selling out."

This is the definition of trolling.

Get a life.

by Vic @ Athletics Nation on Jan 24, 2005 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

q
And you have been posting for only a month so you are one to talk

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Click the "next page" button...
smart guy. You'll see that my first post was on the first day AN 2.0 existed.

Subsequent posts have been related to something called "baseball," a game played with a ball, bat, and gloves -- perhaps you've heard of it.

by Vic @ Athletics Nation on Jan 24, 2005 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Your entire posting history on AN...
consists of posts attacking Blez for "selling out."

This is the definition of trolling.

"I don't know what the facts are.." - Rummy

by Parklife on Jan 24, 2005 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

You're right
With this name I havent posted very long. Before I had another one and changed e-mails.

But I have been a viewer of AN from the first month Blez started it

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

The Winters Getting to You All!!!
I think the cold and wet winter is seaping into your heads. You have all gone nuts!!! Settle down folks, pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks. Then we will have more to discuss. Relax and have a coke and a smile.

by Murph21 on Jan 24, 2005 8:06 AM PST reply actions  

my 2 cents
Blez should be rewarded for his efforts and foresight that has made AN what it is today.  The fact that this controversial diary has 64 threads in less than 8 hrs speaks to the success of AN.  If Blez is able to capitalize on the popularity of AN, good for him.  He deserves it.  He's never asked for a penny from any AN members and, if you've ever had tech problems, you know that Blez responds to your problems asap.  I'm sure keeping AN alive takes a considerable amount of Blez's time.  He deserves what's coming to him.
In the rare case an erection lasts more than 4 hours, seek immediate medical attention.

by HMH Ron on Jan 24, 2005 8:12 AM PST reply actions  

ok
Well it just ruins it that 29 other pages just like it will soon pop up, its no longer unique.

But Blez hs asked for money just through donations.

And Thank You for all who donated to the AN site in the "pre-clone" days

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 8:16 AM PST reply actions  

You
said it yourself, there are millions of other sites out there just like this one.

what makes it unique is the people and Blez, not the  damn layout.

by kat on Jan 24, 2005 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Who Gives a Shit?
Again, why should I care?  I only care what happens to AN--not other sites--and AN is a quality site.  What happens on other sites is totally irrelevant.

Start your own website if you dislike this so much.  Seriously.

by kaweahkaweah on Jan 24, 2005 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

Ok
If you dont care, then why respond, let the people who care talk

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 8:23 AM PST reply actions  

What really bothers me about your post is...
That you come onto Blez's site and accuse/attack him of selling out. You wouldn't even have the opportunity to post such a thing had he not started and maintained this blog. So you're complaining about the exact medium you are taking advantage of. That makes no sense to me at all. If you really did not like what was going on here, you wouldn't be here. Regardless of what Blez does relating to any other sites, he has already done more than enough for us, bringing together a community of true A's fans, and providing extras that few of us would even come close to accessing (i.e. interviews with Billy Beane). So I guess my main point is if you don't like it, leave, but let us enjoy it.

by JCase on Jan 24, 2005 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Change is good...
Change is good, for the A's and for this Blog.  Just ask yourself why you come into this place everyday like I do.  It is because of the other posters... Oaktoon, Ohad, Grover?, and the lovely greenandgold girl.  It is also Blez and the way he initiates conversations when all of us get a little out of hand. (Cameron discussions)  He gets the interviews that we want and furnishes us with a place to express, vent, and laugh.  

I first checked this sight out because it was an A's sight.  Yes, it is easy and smooth.  I credit Blez for his techno abilities for that.  But, I keep returning because of the rest of you and your opinions.  In that respect everyone has their right to an opinion.  Is the one about Blez selling out going to make me stop being here on a daily basis...NO...  

So, thanks for your opinion and lets move on, shall we...

by Andy907 on Jan 24, 2005 8:32 AM PST reply actions  

Gay marriage
Sound OT?  Not really.  these4things argument that AN is ruined if someone else has something as good sounds a lot to me like the right wing arguing that same-sex marriages somehow hurt the "institution" of marriage, or male-female marriages.  And in each case, there's no real explanation of how the "injured" party is harmed.  Who cares what format Royals fan have on their blog?  Unless you base your life on jealousy and envy, how can this possibly matter to you?

Now, if you found out that Blez was going to personally work on 15 other web sites, and would be abandoning AN to go deal with other projects, then that would be a different matter.  But you haven't argued that and you've presented no evidence for that.  And Blez has a new daughter, so I doubt he'll be doing very much blogging anywhere for a while.  So here's the question: how do sites with similar formats make AN a worse experience?  Not, how does it impede your ability to taunt Mariners fans by saying, "Neener neener, our blog is better than yours."  How does any of this make AN worse?  Who the hell are you, Nelson?

As for your rights to speak, yes, you have a right to your opinion.  But you might have noticed that there's only room for 10 diaries at a time on the home screen.  That makes diary space a limited, shared resource.  So we have to use that resource responsibly.  If you actually have been lurking here for as long as you claim, I'm sure you're familiar with the "stop the Byrnes/Cameron diary" movement.  You're not the first person to be told to think twice before posting the kind of diary they put up.  I have the right to post 10 diaries in quick succession listing each of the opening day/night games I went to, and asking for comments.  But if I did that, the whole diary listing would be my little reminiscences.  I'm entitles to the memories, but not to suck up all the diary listing space to indulge my sense of their significance.

by Nick on Jan 24, 2005 8:34 AM PST reply actions  

ok
See all of you people read the first and last post and read nothing else. I NEVER said that 29 other ANs hurts the original. I said i liked An because it was one of a kind and unique and soon it wont be.

As for the Gay marrage thing. On reason the right feels that way is because a lot of liberals feel that if it doesnt hurt us and out lives let them do it (Its a valid feeling we are entitled to our own) But we live in one huge community and I will use Eminem for example (personaly I like Eminem) If one parent feels that Eminem is not right for their child(which is ok they are the parents) we live in a nation where that kids 3 or 4 friends might expose that person to Eminem without the parents concent.

What does that have to do with Gay Marrige? Just my feeling that even though some people have an attitude that if it doesnt affect me who cares, what you do might affect people who do care.

But I can dicuss the whole gay marrage issue if anyone wants to IM me

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 8:40 AM PST reply actions  

I wish Blez would sell out more
This is a funny thread. It took me reading almost thirty posts to figure out what the author was complaining about.

I'm glad he 'sold out'. The guy gets the best interviews with Beane and put together a great site (though the whole diaries scrolling off thing does need to be fixed). He should sell out more.

A site isn't about the look, it's about the people it attracts. A team isn't about the uniform, it's about the players and community.  And the other 29 teams aren't going to have the 'same' site because their teams are way less interesting and lovable than the A's.

By the way these4things, if you don't want to be called a troll, don't act like one. Keep the personal attacks down.  People have offered lots of good comments on yours and your response is always "it's my opinion that if other teams have our layout, then AN will suck". Is this a conversation?

This post might be a good test. If I get flamed and personally attacked, then these4things is a troll. If I get a reasonable response, maybe s/he is trying to have a conversation and is still getting the hang of it.

by Apricot on Jan 24, 2005 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

huh
I dont need to flame you, you seemed to flame yourself.

" because their teams are way less interesting and lovable than the A's"

What a wierd thing to say

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

double huh?
Do you not find the A's interesting, or do you not love them in your own way?

Is this mike on?

Having known many Giants fans, I think of them as generally good people with bad taste, not someone to maim in gangland warfare. And I'm glad they have a decent blog. As long as Blez doesn't stop getting us the exclusive interviews...  I mean, who else would spend time begging Beane to stay? Reporters are too "objective" for that...

by Apricot on Jan 24, 2005 9:02 AM PST reply actions  

Sorry
Im still laughing at ur last post, ill get to this one in a minute

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Another 2 cents
IMHO the old AN layout was much better than the new one. But that's just me. As others have said, I don't come here for the layout. I come here because a) The great material Blez puts up like the interviews, the photos from ST, from AN day, etc. and b) Most news regarding to the A's gets posted here before any other A's-related board or site.

Blez has every right to sell his "unique" layout to other people, but I frankly don't think it'll make their blogs anything like AN.

by OaktownTribesman on Jan 24, 2005 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

CALM DOWN EVERYBODY!
these4thingsiknowaretru,

I don't have an issue with your opinions.  Everybody has the right to express their opinions.  That being said, I have an issue of how you EXPRESS your opinions.  

Slow down, and take a good look at your posts.

When you're done, loot at cutthemullet's posts.  You two guys are saying the same thing, but the result is totally different.

Discussions with cutthemullet stay as civilized discussion and we remin to agree to disagree while you manage to rile up alot of AN in the wee hours of the morning, PST.  I was asleep for 6 hours and I saw like 50 posts added between the hours of 3 AM to 9 AM.

Look at the vocabulary of your posts.  You start out the gate attacking Blez almost personally.  That is not cool, how would you like if if some guy in the middle of the night emailed you and said your dad was a piece of shit?  You wouldn't.  And neither would I.

Look the format of AN is not unique.  Look at Sons of Sam Horn, a Red Sox Blog.  The the blog the Shilling posted on to "talk" with the fans before signing with Boston.  That's the same blog of which SI cut and posted pages of when they did a story of "drama of breaking the curse."

Blogs about baseball teams are not unique. The AN site was not unique to begin with because of help from Kos.  However the AN community is unique, you, me , Blez and everbody who posts here is what makes this site special.

Now, I'm done.

Blez please say something, anything to rectify this.  

"I love Scotch, Scotchy, Scotch, Scotch, here goes down, down into my belly, mm, mm, mm..." - Anchorman

by secret ASian man on Jan 24, 2005 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

Wrong
The fans aside from the ones visiting are not the ones who made this site special.

If anyone was here back during the 2003-04 offseason this was a much diffrent page.

One that really only had Blez writing with no diaries.

That was that site that became popular so to say the diaries were it is dumb

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

What you just said was dumb
When only Blez was posting, it was just like every other Blog. Then he added the diaries, so we could all express our opinions, and talk about what was on our mind. That was part of the uniquness. He made a mix of Blog and Message Board. That is unique. Get a clue.
Peace up, A-Town Down (A town being Albany California, not Atlanta)

by ohad on Jan 24, 2005 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Newbie
Yea like Blez is the first one with a message board say like MLB.com

I want to hear from someone who remembers the old AN not you newbies.

Anyone that say the page back then knew it was Blez and only Blez who made the site great

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I didnt say first one with a message board
I said what was unique about this was we had not only a message board, but we also had like the head blogger to provide us with his own articles, up to date news, and great interviews. Im tired of you. Im tired of this. Im tired of your grammatical errors and misreading posts like your king of the earth. Get the Fuck out of here. Please. I'll pay you to get out of here just go.
Peace up, A-Town Down (A town being Albany California, not Atlanta)

by ohad on Jan 24, 2005 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok
You are tired of me yet you respond.

Ill go away, send the money paypal to

Ohlone63@sbcglobal.net

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

These4thingsIknoware...
Bullshit!

I know a couple of things though:

You keep referring to the fact that if there are 29 clones, this site is no longer unique. This would mean that every community of fans from every team is exactly like ours, every one of us (even you) has a clone who is exactly like us. What don't you understand?! The format is not what makes this unique! Thats why other people having it doesnt matter. I have a question. What do you think makes this site unique? From all your arguing, whats unique to you is the format.

I know that you are smoking from a bong 4 times a day.

I know you need to edit your posts.

I know that you will eventually understand what makes AN unique.

Peace up, A-Town Down (A town being Albany California, not Atlanta)

by ohad on Jan 24, 2005 9:48 AM PST reply actions  

Admit it
I love the A's but if the A's fans are sooo great why do we have attendance probs.

Yea the A's fans are so great all 200 of them.

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

What
Did i say that made you come out with that answer? Are you saying we won't be unique anymore because we have attendance problems?
Peace up, A-Town Down (A town being Albany California, not Atlanta)

by ohad on Jan 24, 2005 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Nothing is wrong...
nothing is changing. In my opinion, don't worry about it, and skip to the Mike Sweeney thread.

by nathan. on Jan 24, 2005 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

wow.....
Umm.... I'm left speechless. I mean.... I'm really, really upset that some people would diss Blez like that after all he's given to us. This site for me is like a safe haven. I can discuss anything and it's like my extended family. We all got involved with Blez's baby and we've all been friends (except for a few bloggers here and there) thanks to Blez. I think this is getting ridiculous. People have a right to voice their opinions because of the first commandment. No one is saying you can't voice your opinion. Once it gets to the point of attacking people, though, then it gets personal.

Look, when I first saw the site layout of the Giants blog, I was surprised. I didn't feel betrayed; I didn't feel bitter. I just felt- surprised. I knew Blez had an explanation for what happened and I accept it. I really think it's no big deal. Like a lot of people are saying, if you don't like it then don't continue being a part of this site. I'm sure lopayroll really didn't like this site. No one told him to get out.

Blez really deserves more for what he's given to all of us. He spends his own time on this website. He takes time after work to give us incredible interviews and a place to interqact with A's fans. I have learned so much from this website in the six or so months I've been here that it's awesome. I wouldn't have known half the stuff I know now if it wasn't for this site.

these4things- I know you're upset. I think all of AN knows you're upset. It's no reason to go trashing on Blez. Yeah, the layout was AN's design at first, but it's Blez's design. He can do with it whatever the hell he wants. You aren't going to stop him from selling his design. I say, power to Blez. It's crazy cool that you are making a profit out of doing something as enjoyable as making us loyal ANers happy. Thanks for the awesome blog (with the exception of trolls here and there which isn't your fault.)

Look at it this way. Other people, other fans now have something AN does. If they didn't totally love it, they wouldn't have bought it. It's incredibly hard not to love it. I love the layout. It attracted me to this website too. And like someone said earlier, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

My best friend- "I can't wait to go to A's games again! then i can be like...look at Crosby's buns... i mean... look at crosby run!"

by GreenNGoldGirl on Jan 24, 2005 9:51 AM PST reply actions  

Hey,
Aren't you supposed to be in School?
"I love Scotch, Scotchy, Scotch, Scotch, here goes down, down into my belly, mm, mm, mm..." - Anchorman

by secret ASian man on Jan 24, 2005 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

umm......
not exactly.... :)

It's a teacher workday because of finals last week. They get to grade them hahahah!

But I'm a little dissapointed to what i stayed home from school to. This diary is upsetting me.

Aren't you supposed to be at school?

My best friend- "I can't wait to go to A's games again! then i can be like...look at Crosby's buns... i mean... look at crosby run!"

by GreenNGoldGirl on Jan 24, 2005 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't start class for another 40 minutes.
I can stroll in fashionably late...I'm in college.
"I love Scotch, Scotchy, Scotch, Scotch, here goes down, down into my belly, mm, mm, mm..." - Anchorman

by secret ASian man on Jan 24, 2005 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

ahh...
I can stroll in fashionably late too.... after the tardy sweeps and after getting lunch detention. Sound like fun?
My best friend- "I can't wait to go to A's games again! then i can be like...look at Crosby's buns... i mean... look at crosby run!"

by GreenNGoldGirl on Jan 24, 2005 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

He is right below
You need school

"have a right to voice their opinions because of the first commandment."

Dont you mean amendment not commandment

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

haha lol
that shows I need more sleep... I should go back to bed and just ignore this, but my loyalty to Blez and AN doesn't let me.
My best friend- "I can't wait to go to A's games again! then i can be like...look at Crosby's buns... i mean... look at crosby run!"

by GreenNGoldGirl on Jan 24, 2005 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't pick on her
Most of your posts have more grammatical errors and jumbled sentences than this teenage girl. If anyone needs more school it's you.

by grover on Jan 24, 2005 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

this whole string of dialogue:
is a fuckin' riot! keep it up boys!

man invites his "friends" over to his house. man says "i've got a way to make a few bucks, what do you think?" "friends" start raggin' on him with philosophical arguements about how and why he shouldn't make a few extra bucks. man tells "friends" to "screw off and get out of MY house".

this is blez's site, he invites us in, if you don't like it, weeeeeell...read the above again.

My wife says i'm "obsessed" with AN and colleagues worry i'm "fixated". I say "ya, OK.....so?" Wish me luck, therapy starts Monday.

by bigelephant on Jan 24, 2005 9:51 AM PST reply actions  

hilarious
Blez posts more of his interview with BB, and this is the happenin' thread.

But, hey, it's definitely funny.

by Sharon on Jan 24, 2005 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

The Irony...
of it, its like licking a skillet.

by BootyBall05 on Jan 24, 2005 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

ouch....
...but i agree wholeheartedly.
My wife says i'm "obsessed" with AN and colleagues worry i'm "fixated". I say "ya, OK.....so?" Wish me luck, therapy starts Monday.

by bigelephant on Jan 24, 2005 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree...
...I liked the old site better. But I didn't stop coming here, or complain about it other than a remark or two.

Blez owns this site. He can do whatever he wants with it. If you don't like it, tough shit.

You can:

1)Stop coming here.

2)Continue to come here and enjoy it.

3)Continue to come here and complain.

Once or twice I understand, but you're complaining ad nauseum.

What do you hope to accomplish?

We all get it, you think he's a sellout.

So select from choice #1 or #2, because #3 is making you seem like a whiner.

P.M.:It must be nice to always believe you know better, to always think you're the smartest person in the room. J.C.: No. It's awful.

by McFood on Jan 24, 2005 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

Jesus H
I don't log on for 5 hours and this thing has blown up! I agree w/ some of what these4things is saying....I do feel as though when AN 2.0 debuted we lost a little bit of that unique feel from the old AN, but there's no way I'll ever call Blez a sellout. He gave us something great, but he did create it, and he can do with it whatever he wants. I've been saying since the 1st day that I couldn't believe he wasn't making $ yet.

I mean, we're all A's fans and Blez is probably one of the best out there, and I for one would rather support anything he does then tear him down.

these4things: I do understand your frustration to some degree. I felt it when 2.0 came out....but you gotta know that posting 150 posts saying the same thing just isn't going to get anything done, you know?

Good luck Blez....wish I would've thought of it.

by Tony on Jan 24, 2005 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You're not a troll, just a moron
I respect your ability to have an opinion, I just don't respect you.

...Because you don't understand a simple concept: AN does not belong to you.  It belongs to Blez.  It's his venture, his time, and his money.  He's not beholden to you or to me or to Billy Beane.  He can do whatever the f*ck he wants with this site, and while we can grouse all we want about it, we can NOT exepct him to answer to us in any way.

Does Blez make you pay to be a part of this site?  No.  So you gave him a few bucks back in the OG AN days?  Big deal.  He already made good on your desire for him to maintain and improve the best A's fan site on the Internet.

Blez owes you nothing.

by nickolai on Jan 24, 2005 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

Read again
See fools liek you need to read.

I never said he owes me anything, I never said I run the site.

Ill put this in bold

I WAS JUST SAYING HOW I DONT LIEK WHAT BLEZ IS DOING

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

If you don't like what blez is doing
Can you please leave the site? Go out just like lowpayrow, call us faggs, asholls, and other mis-spelled cuss words. Just go.
Peace up, A-Town Down (A town being Albany California, not Atlanta)

by ohad on Jan 24, 2005 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

But
How can I leave, I am spending most of my time responding to people irratated with me yet they write to me

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Ignore it
That's one way.
My best friend- "I can't wait to go to A's games again! then i can be like...look at Crosby's buns... i mean... look at crosby run!"

by GreenNGoldGirl on Jan 24, 2005 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

can you help Blez?
provide links for all these news sites?

That would be very helpful!

   -that-a-ways when I want to check into what the fans are up to with any team it would be easy!

by Bleed Green on Jan 24, 2005 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

L - I - K - E
The triple of Jeremy Brown's imagination was, in reality, a home run.

by ArakSOT on Jan 24, 2005 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

From an idiot's post above...
"Blez has not inproved AN in a year. Aside from the interviews its the same old sight. Sell the design fine, but he better give A's fans a whole lot more"

These4things, now you've wasted too much of my time.  Good luck with the English.

by nickolai on Jan 24, 2005 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

New rule
If you have 10,000 spelling, typing and grammatical errors compiled in 10 posts, or less, you can no longer post on AN.  

These4things, how old are you?  Have you entered school yet?  Blez' baby girl can write better than you.  She was born a few days ago.

Andrew

by migueltejada on Jan 24, 2005 9:54 AM PST reply actions  

concept of "selling out" is lame
I hate people who say "I used to like X movie/band/song/website but now its popular so I don't like it anymore.  I only like indie/unpopular/obscure stuff - that makes me feel like I'm special and unique."

Whatever.  I believe in evaluating things on their merits - and not care about what other people think or like.

by dude on Jan 24, 2005 9:56 AM PST reply actions  

My two cents is:
I hope you can recover the hurt.

The reason this blog works is because of the content.  And, its got a nice design and makes it easy for people to post -- but that's not unique.

Blez redesigned this with the help of DailyKOS, I believe, so he was upgrading the quality of the site immeasureably.

If selling the design helps him, more power to him for his creativity and hard work.  Why shouldn't he benefit?  Better that than I have to pay him for the content.  Which I will not do.

If you tour the blogs, every team has savvy fans; every team has Moneyball devotees.  Every team has fans who have a special feeling for the A's because they are so unique.

None of that will change just because one of their bloggers has access to a better design for a blog.  

Its the beauty of the internet -- and, incidentally, was Blez the first to add the word "Nation" to describe a team's fan base?  I don't think so.  Its what happens.  The cream rises to the top.

Good luck, Blez.

by dingerpower on Jan 24, 2005 9:56 AM PST reply actions  

Hmm...
Raider...Nation
Red Sox...Nation

Good Post.

"I love Scotch, Scotchy, Scotch, Scotch, here goes down, down into my belly, mm, mm, mm..." - Anchorman

by secret ASian man on Jan 24, 2005 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

congrats, blez

well, this is the first i've heard of blez selling anything related to this site.  so, i'll just say congrats to him.  from what i've heard, he's not selling the content (our words, his words, the words of his interviewees, etc), so i say kudos to you, blez.  i LOVE this site, and if he found a way to get something more in return and not reduce the amount of content you and others put in, it doesn't affect me at all, and i'm happy for him.

to these4things, like others have said, it sounds to me like you are really bent out of shape about the wrong thing.  the look of AN may now not be unique, but that is all he is selling.  if it not LOOKING unique bothers you, you might consider hating all web sites.

by Eric in Atlanta on Jan 24, 2005 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

Was worried there for a second...
Damn. I had to go back to the McCovey Chronicles thinking blez was starting to charge a membership fee or something. Unless there is something else I missed he is settign up a bunch of blogs for other teams maintained by a blogger for other teams, and maybe will make some extra money from having a whole bunch of sites with ads instead of just one.

Sounds ok to me.  What is the big deal?

by Donner on Jan 24, 2005 10:17 AM PST reply actions  

here
Here is a quick breakdown why I am against it.

Blez is starting a group that will create designs, set up and manage diffrent teams sports blogs.

I dislike it because I liked AN because I think it as a one in a million site and soon other ones will pop as clones.

Could they be there anyway? Sure I just thought it was a sellout of Blez to do it for other teams for money

by these4thingsiknowaretru on Jan 24, 2005 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Reality check
Sorry to break it to ya and no offense to Blez or Kos, but AN is not "one in a million". FYI there are already thousands of sports teams blogs out there and I seriously doubt it that simply providing them with the AN look and style is going to bring them instant popularity to match AN's.

by OaktownTribesman on Jan 24, 2005 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Congrats Blez!!!!
Dude, great interviews.  Even better website.  Unbelievable dedication to the A's (although, I will still argue I can compete with you on that level : ) and I am especially happy that you have turned a personal interest, and a passion, into a form of income.  Remarkable.  

As long as your interest and passion does not wane from this site, I wish you all the best.  

Andrew

by migueltejada on Jan 24, 2005 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

I second ..
that yawn.

Sold out? Who cares?

"I don't know what the facts are.." - Rummy

by Parklife on Jan 24, 2005 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

re: Special Blogs
I read a lot of baseball blogs to get a feel for how different fans are and whats going on with their teams.  I think the best blog out there is the BoSux Son of Sam Horn.  They have thousands of people on a waiting list to attempt to get in.  Actual players post at their website.  And a book is going to be published of a thread of theirs from the World Series run.  It is probably the closest any "online bar" is going to be to being special.  And it has the shittiest, most basic setup ever.  It looks like a boring message board.

It is the people and not the outline that makes a place so nice.  I like AN, I'm not really going anywhere.  Maybe to Barry Zito Forever, I really like BaZito!

Best Barry In The Bay Area.

by TwistNHook on Jan 24, 2005 11:25 AM PST reply actions  

me too.....
If I ever had to go anywhere else, it would be there. The name would attract me. :)
My best friend- "I can't wait to go to A's games again! then i can be like...look at Crosby's buns... i mean... look at crosby run!"

by GreenNGoldGirl on Jan 24, 2005 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

no clue
I haven't yet looked at the McCovey diary entry yet, so, perhaps I have no idea what's happening, but, at the tail end of this here thread, I'll just add my 2 cents...

I have absolutely no problem with Blez benefitting financially from this (um, does anyone understand that the links to things like carpet cleaning and such are the same thing; by that I mean, there is probably some sort of financial benefit to Blez from there...whatever it is, and in whatever form it takes (wampum? beads for breats? dubloons?...doesn't matter)

I love the site; I love being able to skip something at work to read info about the A's...or, even re-read it, like i watch the same History Channel doc. several times..

if someone doesn't like it, they're free to express their opinions, and so, here's mine.

AN makes Blez money = fantastic
AN makes me happy = fantastic

Time=Money, and this site certainly takes time to put together; I'm all for it.
*just go eazy on me if it becomes a subscription site! :+)

Catfish

by catfish hunter on Jan 24, 2005 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

ditto
"AN makes Blez money = fantastic
AN makes me happy = fantastic"

If 29 other teams' fans can now also use the design to make themselves happy, more power to 'em!  Unless there's some inherent evil about people having something to be happy about...

by Poppy on Jan 24, 2005 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I think what Blez has done is great
I wish I could turn my hobbies into money-making projects. I certainly won't begrudge Blez for managing to pull it off. I don't care if some other website uses the same design, I come to AN because of the topic and the people.

by grover on Jan 24, 2005 11:59 AM PST reply actions  

agreed
I lean a bit to the left but in the grand scheme....this is a complete non-issue.  If folks are coming here for the graphics...well...I will partially refrain from intellectual arrogance.  We aren't building a 'new society' on this site...just talkin' sports.  Ha.  There are far larger socio-economic issues related to 'cosa nostra' than a seemingly all-around nice chap working on a plan to work for himself.  C'mon.  

Of couse my opinion will change if efforts are made to open my wallet up....

by Patrick on Jan 24, 2005 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Blez isn't exactly making a killing here
Given the vast amount of time Blez has poured into creating this site, his returns have to amount to pennies an hour.  If Blez were really "all about the Benjamins," he could have found a better way to invest his time.

My only complaint is that Blez has created a site so attractive that it feeds my addiction and sucks up large amounts of my time, such that I'll probably lose my job and be found dead some day, emaciated and impoverished, slumped in front of a glowing green and gold screen.

by Faust on Jan 25, 2005 5:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Blez
After reading all of this anger and animosity I'm feeling a little drained, so to perk myself up, I'd just like to add a little positivity to Blez.  I love this site.  I tell all my friends about it.  I love visiting it many times a day.  What makes it special is that I really feel like there is a community here and when I'm weaving my way through the threads, I feel like I'm with "my people."  I couldn't care less if every other team has a site just like this, because they won't have a community just like this.  And who knows, they my come up with a community that is just as good and maybe they'll be lucky enough to have a site owner that can nab great interviews with players, managers, and GMs from their team of choice (why in hell would I begrudge them that great perk.)  Why would that matter to me?  The fact that they have a great community does not diminish THIS community.  What Blez is selling is just the bones, in my opinion.  What they do with those bones will have to come from the people who put them to use.  

In a way, this whole thing is like baseball itself.  Just like this site(and all the other future 29 or whatever), each baseball team has a set format (# of players, same positions, etc.) but it is what the teams do with that format that makes them unique.  That is why no other team is just like the A's and why no other blog will ever be just like Athetics Nation.  Thanks Blez--love the site, keep it up.  Now I feel better.  Gads, Mondays suck enough as it is....

by batgirl on Jan 24, 2005 1:12 PM PST reply actions  

the way i see it
we're being given something outstanding for free.

we are not blez's wife. we are not his newborn daughter. most of us are not his personal friends. we are not his boss, coworkers, or family members.

if he benefits off this site, so what? are you saying the thousands of sites with ads on them that aren't businesses are selling you out too?

let it go, it's the fucking internet.

love, mike in canada

by oakland ehs on Jan 24, 2005 1:13 PM PST reply actions  

CAn anyone explain the sell out comments?>
Valid or not I want to know why people feel this way

by novaoakland on Jan 24, 2005 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

goddanm
at first when i read about the giants blog, i was pissed cuz i thought it was a jack move of AN.  but now, i know it's a business venture/fan-site venture.  it's like a car, man.  if some dude you know comes up to you asking where you got your rims, spoiler, and hood scoop, you'd tell him where to get it.  If he can't get it and offers to buy all that sh-t from you, and you sell it, are you selling your car?????  see if blez sold the car, that means he's a sell out.  otherwise, it's all business.

-all this drama over a penny.

by ucla kid on Jan 24, 2005 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

before I logged in...
I was guessing 160 posts on this diary.  Pretty fucking close.
"When I went to church that same Sunday, I picked up a 2x4. I went up to the pulpit and clubbed the preacher in the head..."--Wesley Willis

by Cutthemullet on Jan 24, 2005 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

Hahaha
I don't know about you all, but I'm here for the banging fonts. I still don't completely understand this "base ball" I keep reading about.

How in god's name could all of you people let one trolls thread grow this insanely large? This will be my one and only post in this stupid thread.

I'm sure Blez can handle a diss from some random troll. No need for everyone to freak out about it.

by RichardP on Jan 24, 2005 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

Screw Blez
Well, not really (love ya Blez and congrats to you and Mrs. B on the birth of your lovely baby girl!)...  my participation had nothing to do with backing Blez up and everything to do with the fact that, like many others, this wee little troll under the bridge irritated me.  Yes, yes, don't feed the trolls and all, but sometimes they just ask for it :)

Thank you Kos, for ridding me of my own personal Monday menace and helping me to restore my sanity.

by LD on Jan 24, 2005 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

El Blez
Go for it. These sites will have the same layout, but not the same awesome content (BB interviews, etc..) or the great disscussion and fans. They will not have the same atmosphere I feel here. Sorry for going crazy for a little while, I need to think it through before I post. Can we please move on? Please?
"I seen some shit." -Ron Washington, when asked about being the infield coach for the A's, a team that will start a blind man if he can get on base.

by Roscoe Parrish on Jan 24, 2005 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Glad you think that
Hey, do you have a screen name? JW.... I don't know if it's against the rules to ask...
My best friend- "I can't wait to go to A's games again! then i can be like...look at Crosby's buns... i mean... look at crosby run!"

by GreenNGoldGirl on Jan 24, 2005 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Me?
I'm not sure if you mean me since when you reply, it can put your post in weird places. But for me, YankeesSuck0213@aol.com.
"I seen some shit." -Ron Washington, when asked about being the infield coach for the A's, a team that will start a blind man if he can get on base.

by Roscoe Parrish on Jan 25, 2005 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Congrats Blez
Find a need and fill it. If it supports the new family, right on!

by bayfrank on Jan 24, 2005 5:52 PM PST reply actions  

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