Hudson Will Be Traded
The Chronicle's John Shea says it may happen.
I'm going to go on record right now and say that it will happen. Tim Hudson will be traded prior to the 2005 season.
Hudson didn't help his cause by setting a deadline of March 1 for a new deal to be in place.
But the biggest telling sign isn't the speculation by Shea or anyone else, but this:
Beane hasn't said word one to Hudson, either way. That tells me that Billy is going to move Huddy. I don't want to lose Hudson, but as I've mentioned before, he's way too valuable to lose for draft picks after the season.
But above all the myriad of reasons why this may be true, one is key to remember more than any other. I think that the A's believe Rich Harden is going to be better than Hudson. Maybe not immediately, but Harden is on the edge of greatness and his ascension to that level is what makes it even possible to consider trading a talent like Hudson.
So, I'm on record saying that Tim Hudson will not be wearing an A's uniform in 2005. It'll be tragic to lose Huddy, but if Billy gets young, cheap talent in return which vastly improves our offense and a starting pitcher, it improves the long-term outlook for the green and gold (since it sounds like the A's cannot afford to keep Hudson after the next season). Beane may back out at the last second because trading a talent like Hudson can come back to haunt you, but I don't think so. Billy is going to do what's right for the long-term health of the franchise. And with the budget restrictions Oakland has, spending the majority of your payroll on three players (Chavez, Kendall and possibly Hudson) doesn't make much sense.
Or maybe Billy trades Hudson to upgrade the offense, then signs one of the free agent starters out there like Millwood (coming off a down year - possible undervalued talent, but the concerns about his health are great) as stop-gap to some of younger pitchers in the organization like Windsor, Knox or someone else.
Regardless, it'll be a sad day when Hudson leaves.
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I cry often.
So don't laugh at me if I cry when this happens, okay?
Someone give me something to dull this pain.
by Sharon on Dec 6, 2004 9:55 AM PST 0 recs
Here...
Does that make you feel better? :-)
by Blez on
Dec 6, 2004 10:00 AM PST
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I wish I felt better...
My sadness has little to do with how I think the team will perform without him. It comes from realizing that once he's gone, rooting for him wil never be the same. I was always proud when he took the mound. Of course...I don't know him, and he isn't mine. Yet in some ways I do. And it certainly feels like he is.
He's "Huddy" to his teammates, and he's "Huddy" to me.
by Sharon on
Dec 6, 2004 10:21 AM PST
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DAMN!
This hurts. I'll FedEx you a care package full of drugs and heavy booze, Sharon.
by Jennifer on
Dec 6, 2004 10:25 AM PST
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Don't start offering to Fex-Ex
by Blez on
Dec 6, 2004 10:33 AM PST
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Not to mention...
I, too, have a feeling Huddy is being dealt away this year, and it stings me too. The only trade deal that I've heard bandied about here that eases the pain somewhat is the idea of netting Marcus Giles and seeing Huddy go to a NL team.
I was so happy about the Kendall trade, and now this...
Let's hope there's a silver lining in this raincloud.
by LD on
Dec 6, 2004 10:37 AM PST
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There is never a shortage when...
And nothing will ever take away my pain if Huddy leaves (unless someone wants to get me Rich Harden for my birthday. I think that might work)! Huddy was the reason I started following the A's and it won't be the same without him.
by Jennifer on
Dec 6, 2004 10:44 AM PST
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Numbing the Pain
by ArakSOT on
Dec 6, 2004 1:54 PM PST
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No,
by Jennifer on
Dec 6, 2004 2:04 PM PST
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I guess I could...
by Jennifer on
Dec 6, 2004 10:39 AM PST
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We need an AN therapist.
I feel a "kumbaya" coming on...
by Sharon on
Dec 6, 2004 10:40 AM PST
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Stole some of my thunder pal
As one of the biggest opponents to the Kendall trade, I'd like to make it clear that the two moves (assuming Hudson gets traded) are not directly related. There are only two ways to view the situation:
1)Beane knew that he was going to trade Hudson before he went after Kendall
2)Beane seriously fucked up
Of the two I think option 1 is most likely. With Hudson on the block I think the Atlanta rumors just got more credible. If so than please let me reiterate that Jose Capellan should not be sought after. He's a shoulder injury waiting to happen, and it's going to happen soon.
by grover on Dec 6, 2004 10:00 AM PST 0 recs
The one thing I do hope
Just not any powerful AL team. I don't care what they offer.
by Blez on Dec 6, 2004 10:03 AM PST 0 recs
Reds?
by grover on
Dec 6, 2004 10:32 AM PST
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Kearns hasn't been injury free in four years
I know you've made the comparison between Durazo and Kearns in regards to their injury history vs their potential, but Durazo didn't cost nearly so much.
by grover on
Dec 6, 2004 11:01 AM PST
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I dunno
by nothinlikethetown on
Dec 6, 2004 11:10 AM PST
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Claussen
by grover on
Dec 6, 2004 11:37 AM PST
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Trade Bait
by jumperjh on
Dec 6, 2004 2:12 PM PST
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Claussen
by grover on
Dec 6, 2004 2:17 PM PST
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Just a dose of perspective
The only other thing I'll say is that we've also taken advantage of the small-market-suffers system, too. The only reason we got Damon and Dye was that the Royals knew they had to get rid of them before they left as FAs. If everyone could keep all their young players, the Royals outfield would be Damon, Beltran, and Dye.
by Nick on Dec 6, 2004 10:05 AM PST 0 recs
as I've said before
Unless Beane can come up with a trade for Hudson that would bring a proven starter and a big bat, trading Hudson will weaken the A's, and possibly doom the chance to win the division this year.
by OaklandSi on Dec 6, 2004 10:05 AM PST 0 recs
If money is not the issue...
by grover on
Dec 6, 2004 10:16 AM PST
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if money is THE issue
by bigelephant on
Dec 6, 2004 10:21 AM PST
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i offered...
never mind can the a's afford to pay him in '06- '10. i think they can't afford him in '05!!!
personally, if this does come to pass, i think it's a sad day. not because "i love huddy" but because i think he gives us a chance to win EVERYTIME he pitches.
hope i'm wrong but.....
by bigelephant on Dec 6, 2004 10:13 AM PST 0 recs
BillyBoss Always Has A Plan
by Murph21 on Dec 6, 2004 10:14 AM PST 0 recs
Ditto
by Pepper on
Dec 6, 2004 10:33 AM PST
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Beane a master of surprises
I still think a Hudson trade is 50-50, even with hudson's public comments and the A's predictably 'not pleased' reaction (I actually don't think Beane lets such stuff affect his calculations, and of course he knows what the A's payroll limit for 2005 will be).
by OaklandSi on Dec 6, 2004 10:18 AM PST 0 recs
Huddy
On a side note, I had a dream a couple of nights ago where BB traded Hudson. I was really mad and I checked the newspaper as soon as I woke up just to make sure. I really hope it doesn't happen.
by kent on Dec 6, 2004 10:22 AM PST 0 recs
The long view
- Good young players - most of these are with their first team, but others could have been traded after limited time with their first organization. It's hard not to like these guys, and the A's lean heavily in this category.
- Good established players still with first team - this is a small group league wide, and the A's will never have more than 1 or maybe 2. Even the Yankees only have a few (Jeter/Williams/Rivera), so that tells you something.
- Mercenaries - good players who needed to leave their first team to make their deserved dollars. The A's will never have too many of these, because they're drastically overpriced.
- Has beens, never weres and never will bes - roster filler for the 4/5ths of MLB that's at least in part financially challenged. The trick is to squeeze anything you can out of this group, catch lightning in a bottle, or otherwise get lucky.
I guess what I'm saying is that good young players will keep being fed into the A's major league roster, so long as Billy keeps the machine churning. Part of keeping that machine churning is to feed the machine with established players who are about to jump into a markedly higher salary class. So, while it may hurt to lose a guy like Hudson in the near term, another gifted, likable, competitive player is coming down the pike, and the A's need that pipeline to keep pumping indefinitely. It's their lifeblood, and their reason for being.
Feed the machine. The machine is good. The machine is perpetual contention.
by DickWilliams on Dec 6, 2004 10:52 AM PST 0 recs
Blez
Still, the fact that BB hasn't even spoken to him is a bad sign. I guess we'll find out this weekend. In the meantime, I'm going to go throw myself under a bus.
by jmoney on Dec 6, 2004 10:59 AM PST 0 recs
Forget RH vs LH
by grover on
Dec 6, 2004 11:04 AM PST
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We can argue it...
by jmoney on
Dec 6, 2004 11:11 AM PST
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Then it's time to get your eyes checked
by grover on
Dec 6, 2004 11:32 AM PST
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My Eyes Checked?
by jmoney on
Dec 6, 2004 11:51 AM PST
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Calm down
I originally thought Oakland could sign two of their pitchers but Beane went out and got Kendall. Even with Kendall and Chavez on the books I still think the A's can sign one of their Big 3. They could still sign two if they make some other moves in 2006. You think I'm not thinking things through? I don't want Dotel and Durazo signed to multi-year deals because I think it prevents Oakland from signing Hudson for 2006. If Beane can find a way to move Kendall in 2007 it would free up money to sign Mulder or Zito when their contracts are through. And all this would only take a $5-10 million increase in payroll over the next two years.
by grover on
Dec 6, 2004 12:10 PM PST
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Because...
That's it plain and simple.
It gives Billy an extra year to work with the budget. And we were pretty successful with Hudson, Zito, Mulder, Lilly and Halama. Harden, Zito, Mulder, Blanton and Duke or another free agent could be comparable if we significantly upgrade the offense.
It's not an ideal situation, but we'd still have a Big Three (assuming Mulder and Zito perform up to their standards - which is a big assumption). Duke can be a solid number four starter and the fifth starter is important, but you don't need an ace there. I just think they think Harden is just going to be just as good as Hudson.
by Blez on
Dec 6, 2004 12:10 PM PST
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Two years vs. One year
In 2003 Jermaine Dye was locked up for 2 more years, while Miggy was locked up for one more. Were people arguing that Dye was more valuable just because he was locked up for longer? No- because he wasn't worth what we were paying him. The same could happen to Zito and, to a lesser extent IMO, Mulder next year and beyond.
I'd rather trade Zito to make room for Hudson in 2006 and beyond.
by OaktownTribesman on
Dec 6, 2004 1:33 PM PST
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actually
by OaklandSi on
Dec 6, 2004 1:43 PM PST
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Zito
As for his ability to pitch in big games, I clearly remember him giving up a three-run jack in the biggest game of his life a year ago or so. I guess the sample size is just too small to say either way. And of course you need to get to the playoffs first of all.
My preference is to keep all three for one final run in 2005. If Beane thinks it's too risky to invest that much money in Hudson past 2005, so be it. However, I don't think it's wise to bank on the assumption that Zito is going to be worth what he is paid from here on out. Hudson at 12 million might be more cost effective than Zito at 8 million.
by OaktownTribesman on
Dec 6, 2004 3:13 PM PST
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that three run homer
Sort of proves my point...
by OaklandSi on
Dec 7, 2004 6:16 AM PST
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Zito/Hudson/Mulder
by grover on
Dec 6, 2004 1:47 PM PST
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OaktownTribesman
by jmoney on
Dec 6, 2004 1:49 PM PST
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I still say he gets traded mid season.
In that case, you may be right Blez. One thing for sure is that the A's realized some time ago that Hudson's probably not signable. I also think that Mulder's always been the one they try and keep. Look at how Billy stood by him during his September collapse?
As for Barry, he and Alyssa are headed for NY unless our financial situation gets better. Getting to the World Series could do that.
At least the A's don't have to play in the Holiday Bowl!
by Rob on Dec 6, 2004 11:16 AM PST 0 recs
Ouch!
Oh, the pain, the pain . . .
by Pepper on
Dec 6, 2004 11:29 AM PST
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hey, it could be worse....
okay, back to hardball...i will reserve judgment until after the owners' meetings and (I think it's) tomorrow's deadline regarding compensation for free agents. my gut tells me this is different from the Tejada negotiations....i think the A's will make a legitimate run at resigning Huddy. Just too good to let go.
by bakedzito on
Dec 6, 2004 4:14 PM PST
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...In the darkness the Gambler he broke even
But in his final words I found an ace that I could keep
You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away and know when to run.
You never count your money when you're sitting at the table
There'll be time enough for counting when the dealing's done
by ConcordFanSince1968 on Dec 6, 2004 11:56 AM PST 0 recs
HUDSON WON'T be traded
Hudson has got to be concerned about Zito and Mulders less than stellar 04's and as such no trade.
by novaoakland on Dec 6, 2004 11:57 AM PST 0 recs
Second that
We talk about financial realities, and one fo them is that we have a Johnson-esque effect, for a Kris Benson contract. Actually, less than that. That is a True Oakland player-better than the money would indicate.
by mikedaviswhereareyou on
Dec 6, 2004 12:14 PM PST
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I agreee with you
by OaklandSi on
Dec 6, 2004 1:46 PM PST
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i dunno about huddy being traded
by guy incognito on Dec 6, 2004 12:25 PM PST 0 recs
You guys
Mulder. Take away last year, and you have Mulder, when healthy one of the best pitchers in the game. he goes into stretches of total domination. Aside from last year he had never had any of these breakdowns, and understandably. I mean when one of your Partners is pitching bad, trying to find himself, and the other is injured, its all on you. Never had that before. Expect him to fully bounce back too. He has had injuries, but a good sign was that he did not have anything last year, a full year. He is a special pitcher, and definitley a "gamble" worth keeping when you have him for 2 more years under his true value.
Than Hudson. One year left, give the impression he doesn't want to say. Is gonna make much more than we can provide, has more value. Most logical choice to trade. Plus he has a special case of Obliquenitis.
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by ohad on Dec 6, 2004 12:27 PM PST 0 recs
Trading 2 yr vs 1 yr contracts
But the guy signed for two years is also worth more to a potential trading partner. In other words, he will bring a lot more in return. The only question is will some other GM offer a deal which Beane thinks is a net improvement for the team. That could happen with any player.
So there is no way you can just say it's better to trade one or the other. Except in one case: if you know you're only going to be competitive in one of the two upcoming years and don't care about the other year. If the A's decided to compete in 2004 and rebuild in 2005, they'd trade Mulder or Zito to get some superstars for one year. If they decided to rebuild in 2004 and compete in 2005, they'd trade Hudson for young prospects.
But that's not the A's style. Their stated goal is to be competitive every season. That means players with short or long term contracts are equally tradeable.
by matthias on Dec 6, 2004 12:32 PM PST 0 recs
But you...
But this is just an opinion. Only Billy truly knows what is available out there for these pitchers.
by Blez on
Dec 6, 2004 12:39 PM PST
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Zito
by ohad on
Dec 6, 2004 10:13 PM PST
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No one's untouchable
by grover on
Dec 6, 2004 12:45 PM PST
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And if he's traded?
by mitche82865 on Dec 6, 2004 12:48 PM PST 0 recs
Marcus Giles is not enough
Man, I didn't realize Hudson was such a ladies' man! This little rumor created quite an uproar! I would miss Huddy myself, but it wouldn't trouble me as much as this whole BALCO thing has. And the pain would be eased if they got a ton of major-league talent in return. Huddy has done less than Zito to hurt his value, and so while Giles + some minor leaguers would be a fair trade for Zito, the A's should demand more for Hudson, because he's worth more.
by rubin sierra on Dec 6, 2004 12:54 PM PST 0 recs
Enough
by grover on
Dec 6, 2004 1:00 PM PST
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Good point
by novaoakland on
Dec 6, 2004 1:38 PM PST
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Huddy
by DC in WC on Dec 6, 2004 1:07 PM PST 0 recs
you ask for the moon in return ...
by iceplant on Dec 6, 2004 1:10 PM PST 0 recs
No way
P.S. By the way, I know you didn't say that this trade was likely to happen, you were just throwing it out there. This wasn't a critique of your trade proposal as it was just a comment. It has been mentioned on this site before and I felt like offering my two cents.
by nothinlikethetown on
Dec 6, 2004 1:28 PM PST
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Production vs. Potential
by jumperjh on
Dec 6, 2004 2:18 PM PST
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Pujols
by nothinlikethetown on
Dec 6, 2004 2:20 PM PST
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bulk
by rubin sierra on
Dec 6, 2004 4:01 PM PST
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Could we not start this please
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is it the big three or the system?
Are the big 3 really that special, or is it the A's system that is special?
Is it a better investment to keep pitchers only for their first 6-7 years?
Would it be better to trade Hudson and make a surprise run at Pedro Martinez or Randy Johnson?
My gut feeling is that the A's will offer Hudson to a 4 year extension for 44 million If he won't take that, they'll trade him in a deal for Randy Johnson plus cash plus prospects.
by dylan on Dec 6, 2004 1:41 PM PST 0 recs
i read the article again
i think beane sold the farm by trading for kendall and the offensive potential and by doing so put hudson on the block. kendall's contract will approx. take up about 15-20 % of the payroll and now beane has to make the cut.
beane does not directly come out and state this because that of course puts him in a negative bargainning position.
i believe hudson wants to stay and would sign a "hometown discount". but the die is cast. i don't think the a's could afford hudson this year at 7.5 m. personally, i'd much rather trade zito.
beane is a gambler and he is rolling the dice kendall-for-hudson. redman and rhodes their contracts were just side players in the drama- basically mistakes beane was able to discard.
i'm not expecting much more than blue chip prospects and maybe a serviable major leaguer.
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