Open Thread

by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 22, 2004 11:02 AM PST in News

Just a quick thought...there is a chance that Hudson, Mulder and Zito could all be opening day starters in 2005.

There goes the annual question on OaklandAthletics.com, who should be the A's opening day starter.

Then again, it could wind up being John Smoltz, Matt Morris and Rich Harden (unlikely given Zito's stature with the club as the elder statesman now, but who knows?).

I've attached a quick poll whether you think it will be Harden or Zito to throw out the first A's pitch in 2005. This is assuming everyone is healthy and the roster remains intact, which is by no means a certainty.

Click entry link below to vote.

Poll

Who should be the A's opening day starter in 2005?

Barry Zito

176 votes

Rich Harden

46 votes

222 votes | Poll has closed

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The A's are so careful with young startes...

...that you have to think they'll go with Barry, just to avoid the pressure on Harden.

But Harden's going to be the ace next year.

I hope.

by jrbh on Dec 22, 2004 11:05 AM PST reply actions

I agree on Z

We need veteran leadership from Zito now. He needs to step-up into that role.

"Fear leads to hate, and hate......leads to the Darkside."-Yoda

by Force on Dec 22, 2004 11:09 AM PST reply actions

Heh.

Veteran leadership from our 26 year-old hippie pitcher. :)

by Nate on Dec 22, 2004 11:36 AM PST up reply actions

He's not a hippie

He voted for Bush and describes himself as a "conservative Republican." That ain't no hippie in my book.

by AlamedaAphid on Dec 22, 2004 2:01 PM PST up reply actions

Zito a hippie?

you read too much in newspaper and media trying to sell stories. especially fox coverage

he is the most intense out of the former big 3. yeah, hudson is more intense because he grandstands more in the media. but zito is way more intense but he has the news media poking fun at his guitar playing skills, going to berkeley coffee houses, and having a pink pillow. ok, the former 2 describes college students, and the latter is the only thing that stands out in a goofy way, not hippie.

by suggy on Dec 22, 2004 3:19 PM PST up reply actions

You are right Suggy

I think Zito has pitched too long in the shadows of the other two, and it has effected him, no matter what he did, he was Hudson #1, Mulder #2.
I would not be surprised to find Zito relishing his role as the ace of the staff. I hold to my opinion that Zito will be signed long term in Oakland, always had that feeling. He is Beane's kind of guy, and much more intense and motivated than written in the papers. He is brushed aside by the press because of his guitar playing, but inside is a competitor.

by china bob on Dec 22, 2004 3:40 PM PST up reply actions

he voted for bush?!?!?!?!?!

I might burn my zito jersey.
Often I would just rather not know the politics of my favourite players.

by Athletics fan and runner on Dec 22, 2004 7:30 PM PST up reply actions

that brings back a memory ...

... Carney Lansford was always my mom's favorite player--I think she just liked saying his name, "Go Carney!!" Then she saw in the A's program we bought that day, with a little chart listing the players and their personal preferences, that the guy Carney most admired was Ronald Reagan. She never forgave him.

by rubin sierra on Dec 22, 2004 11:29 PM PST up reply actions

Zito Knows What's Up

He voted the same way most American's did. He didn't want some flip flopping war fraud in office.

God Bless Bush. Merry Christmas Joe Morgan.

He Hate Me

by Misfit on Dec 23, 2004 5:57 AM PST up reply actions

Oh Yeah - Without Question, Zito Starts

by Misfit on Dec 23, 2004 5:58 AM PST up reply actions

Greengrocer's English

And most "American's" punctuate the way you do, too, Misfit. Congratulations on your collective grammatical errors.

by monkeyball on Dec 23, 2004 7:34 AM PST up reply actions

I didn't know I was being graded

You're just pissed because you supported a war fraud. You'll be voting with your panties in your hand for Hilary next election. Remember to pull out your tampon first Monkeyball. If you had or have a son, you'd prolly teach them to piss sitting.

Go Go Joe Morgan Go

Merry Christmas MonkeyGuy - I bet you don't believe in Christmas either.

by Misfit on Dec 23, 2004 10:47 AM PST up reply actions

Ahhh...

The ever-effective "you're a girl" taunt. Classy.

by LD on Dec 23, 2004 11:18 AM PST up reply actions

Indeed

As I said on the Duchscherer thread, "conformity and machismo."

by monkeyball on Dec 23, 2004 6:06 PM PST up reply actions

War Fraud?

What about a guy who started a fradulent war?

Iraq had WMDs? Iraq had ties to Al Qaeda?

Those are fradulent statements that lead this country down the path to a quagmire. America has a legitimate enemy in Al Qaeda, how come there aren't a hundred thousand troops in Afghanistan?

My poltical rant of the day.

Have a Merry Christmas and just remember, Jesus was a hippie.

"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Spaceballs

by secret ASian man on Dec 23, 2004 6:18 PM PST up reply actions

Actually ...

I taught my son to pee while levitating three inches above the ground. Sitting or standing, it's really quite a trick.

We at Casa Monkeyball are devout Zoroastrians. We laugh at your puny man-god and his commercial ministrations.

And, of course, Monkeyball transcends gender. I am currently nearing completion of my great parthenogenetic project.

by monkeyball on Dec 23, 2004 6:18 PM PST up reply actions

"Don't believe in Christmas"

That is totally uncalled for, dude. Just remember the reason for the Season, Jesus.

Whatever happened to "Peace on Earth" or "Love thy neighbor"? We don't seem follow those Christian values anymore.

Misfit, you've complained that us liberals have lost without any class. It's seems that you won without class.

I'm scared of some of my fellow countrymen like you misfit. Look at yourself in the mirror and look at all that blind beliggerent rage. Always knee-jerk reactions without any though of the consequences. Always the "We're right because we're Americans, Fuck the rest." attitude.

That's why the world hates us. Why can't we be what we all claim to be, good Christians and turn the other cheek and love one another? That what Jesus and the Bible says. We won't because that's "gay."

One hundred years ago Great Britain was the world's dominant power. Through external conflicts around the world the lost alot of their power and now plays second fiddle to us, the current dominant power of the world. If we continue on this path, I wonder who we would play second fiddle to in a hundred years.

In the spirit of Christmas I forgive you and all of my other misguided countrymen, I can only hop you can do the same for me and the rest of my liberal countrymen.

I'm sorry for political rant #2 today, I try to limit myself to one rant a day. Switching my career choice to musician (as opposed to going to law school) has been one of my better choices I've made, I don't get pissed off talking about music.

"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Spaceballs

by secret ASian man on Dec 23, 2004 6:31 PM PST up reply actions

confused

what's with the "go go joe morgan go"?
sarcasm?

by xbhaskarx on Dec 29, 2004 10:06 AM PST up reply actions

How do you know this?

Where did you get this information?

by boatshoes on Dec 22, 2004 10:21 PM PST up reply actions

from Alyssa

Alyssa Milano described Barry Zito as "a conservative Republican" in an interview with Us magazine, after the two of them attended a Rock the Vote party together in October. It may be that she's exaggerating.

I'm not aware of any case when Barry himself has publicly expressed his own political views. Wikipedia puts him in the "labeled by others" category. Several other baseball players appear in the "expressed support" category. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republican_celebrities>

by iglew on Dec 23, 2004 10:12 AM PST up reply actions

From the comments he's made...

...I think he's ready and willing to be the leader. I hope it can only help him performance-wise too.

I expect a better Zito in '05.

Chicks dig Moneyball.

by Kelly on Dec 22, 2004 12:16 PM PST up reply actions

No Brainer

Zitron all the way.

Andrew

by migueltejada on Dec 22, 2004 11:43 AM PST reply actions

Absolut Zitron???

"Fear leads to hate, and hate......leads to the Darkside."-Yoda

by Force on Dec 22, 2004 11:51 AM PST up reply actions

Zito

I'm for the all-surfing battery of Zito - Kendall.

Obviously.

by Surfin in Santa Cruz on Dec 22, 2004 12:51 PM PST reply actions

distraction...

I think it will be Zito on Opening Day, and it should be. That being said, was there was any discussion in here during the season about whether Barry has tried to have "too many irons in the fire" (eg. bad music, bad acting), and maybe losing the focus on baseball? I wondered if that may have been a contributing factor to his inconsistency.

by Poppy on Dec 22, 2004 1:20 PM PST reply actions

I think

Zito wants to be John Mayer. Zito should just be Zito.

by BillybUcko on Dec 22, 2004 8:18 PM PST up reply actions

El Duque

Since this is an Open Thread, I thought I'd throw out someone we should grab - El Duque. I was never a big fan of his, but his numbers are pretty good. He may be 40 (rumor) years old, but he still had a 3.30 ERA last year. And if the A's can get him for 2/$4 like the White Sox are trying to do, I'm all for it. He would add stability to the rotation and if he's injured, we have a kid to step in. If not, he lets Blanton or Meyer spend another 2/3 a season in AAA getting seasoning and keeping their service clock from ticking.

If people are afraid of El Duque because of injuries, I'd suggest Jose Lima Time for the same role. Less likely to be injured, but probably will have a higher ERA.

by jubjub on Dec 22, 2004 1:26 PM PST reply actions

I think the White Sox just signed him

by OaklandSi on Dec 22, 2004 1:38 PM PST up reply actions

Jose Lima could be a spark

...of exactly the kind that A's were lacking at the end of this past season. I was at a Royals game in KC in 2003, and could not help but notice how he came out of the dugout after every inning to high-five the guys coming off the field. He's nuts, but mostly in a good way.

His record was solid last year: 13-5 with a 4.07 ERA, and he had a tremendous start in the post-season (a CG shutout, I believe). He'd be a nice 4th/5th starter and veteran presence, as long as they don't ask to do any STD counseling in the community.

by sarajune13 on Dec 22, 2004 3:19 PM PST up reply actions

It's HERPES time!

...believe it!!!

"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Spaceballs

by secret ASian man on Dec 22, 2004 5:41 PM PST up reply actions

how much

how much would lima cost in this market?

by Athletics fan and runner on Dec 22, 2004 7:31 PM PST up reply actions

Ha.

If we had Jose Lima... you realize we'd eventually see him and Mr. Zito doing a duet? Now THAT is scary!

by Kyli on Dec 22, 2004 7:56 PM PST up reply actions

Everyone loves Lima-Time

But if we're planning on somewhat rebuilding this year, I think BB is going to go with his 3 rookies and see if any/all of them have a future in this league.

That being said, Lima would be a perfect guy for our dugout

by TroyNeelorBust on Dec 22, 2004 9:32 PM PST up reply actions

And

And his wife would be perfect in the stands. :)

by OaktownTribesman on Dec 23, 2004 7:36 AM PST up reply actions

Rebuilding vs. Retooling

I don't think BB is "somewhat rebuilding". He's somewhat retooling. He will make this team better and keep things under budget...

Does anyone know how much money BB has left to spend?

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Dec 23, 2004 9:02 AM PST up reply actions

Harden

Why? Because he's a better pitcher than Zito is....Plus, I think Billy/Macha like a Righty, Lefty, Righty, Lefty, Righty Rotation:

Harden
Zito
Haren
Meyer
Blanton

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Dec 22, 2004 2:21 PM PST reply actions

Proof

The only member of the rotation who can throw 98 mph was Rich Harden, "our best pitcher last year," said Beane.

Beane doesn't care about what others think. Harden should start GAme 1.

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Dec 23, 2004 10:28 AM PST up reply actions

Zito all the way

opening day starts always = seniority. not skills, but tenure. This isn't opening day in baseball video game land, its real life. real life you have to massage egos and recognize loyalty and veterans.

besides, what insane manager would give the opening day start to Harden. Not to mention that you upset the psyche of a former Cy young winner, but you are also putting tremendous pressure on a kid who got hot at the second half. No way Billy Beane signs off on this.

And Hudson getting opening day start? yeah right. only if John Smoltz has a setback in spring training or declines.

Mulder in St. Louis? Matt Morris and his inflated contract is still there.

by suggy on Dec 22, 2004 3:16 PM PST reply actions

I say Zito

Huddy was the opening day pitcher on 2003 AFTER Zito just won the Cy Young. Such riches we had back then. Our Cy Young pitcher didn't start on opening day.

So give the ball to Zito in 2005.

by BillybUcko on Dec 22, 2004 8:21 PM PST up reply actions

huh?

"besides, what insane manager would give the opening day start to Harden."

huh?

by kat on Dec 22, 2004 10:50 PM PST up reply actions

ZZZito

I think Harden should be the opening day starter, however, I believe we need to let Zito start to show the veterans that we will need to lean on them more than ever this yr.

"Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the future." -JFK.

by sf drift king on Dec 22, 2004 3:18 PM PST reply actions

Zito

For god's sakes, he's banging Alyssa Milano. Sam Micelli wouldn't go around humping #2 pitchers would she?

Network Associates Stadium: Former home of the 'Fear Mecir' sign.

by dboysick on Dec 22, 2004 4:25 PM PST reply actions

wtf???

my jaw just dropped like five feet! you have written the very thing i have been trying not to think about!! ahh! Unhappy thoughts..... For goodness sake, man, watch what you say! But... hold on a second.... if Zito started in the two spot.... and your theory is correct about her being like Sam Micelli (who i don´t know who the hell she is) then that means Zito will be single!! woot woot!! But of course, that would be degrading Zito. He deserves #1 for at least a season. Next season, who knows?

As for me, I love Zito. Everyone on AN knows that. I love his quirkiness and his... i don´t know... out there personality. It´s... hmm... horrible that people critizize him for having a satin pillow, collecting stuffed animals and playing at bars. That´s damn sexy if you ask me. And it also shows he´s not some stupid jock. Perfect, godsent man right there.

p.s. Alyssa Milano is one lucky b*itch. I wonder if she sold her soul to the devil? Or maybe she left it with Carl Pavano. He probably took his and Alyssa´s at the same time when he signed with the Yankees. Alyssa Milano doesn´t deserve all that gorgeousness.

AM dumps Zito, moves on to Bartolo Colon, ERA booms to a 6.0,"Me amor, Alissa (I love you my sweet chicken puff) is muy bitchy. Donde esta me masseuse". -ohad

by GreenNGoldGirl on Dec 22, 2004 6:12 PM PST up reply actions

paaaaaaavano

's got a new wifey. . . she wanted him to go the yanks

by kotsbots on Dec 22, 2004 9:12 PM PST up reply actions

Zito

Zito's "quirky personality" is a facade. I remember reading that he picked up surfing and the guitar after he turned pro. His image is a marketing tool that he uses to separate himself from the pack. I have no problem with that, but I say he's still a jock. :)

by OaktownTribesman on Dec 23, 2004 7:42 AM PST up reply actions

Sam Micelli

sam micelli was milano's character on Who's the Boss.........

what we do in life, echoes an eternity......

by Utah on Dec 22, 2004 6:48 PM PST reply actions

ay.... you?re right.......

too much shock from last night I think... god.. what has the tequila done?? SHHH i´m not allowed to drink... Now that I think about it, I do have a head ache. I don´t expect to remember too much about she-who-must-not-be-named. Man, i can´t believe I didn´t remeber that.

AM dumps Zito, moves on to Bartolo Colon, ERA booms to a 6.0,"Me amor, Alissa (I love you my sweet chicken puff) is muy bitchy. Donde esta me masseuse". -ohad

by GreenNGoldGirl on Dec 22, 2004 6:58 PM PST up reply actions

Zito

I give it to Zito. Dude's a veteran, and to me, he's done his time to earn the Opening Day spot. Give him his shot to be the number 1 guy, put some faith in him on day one.

Besides, Harden's already going to be getting a huge promotion -- suddenly bumped up from 'that kid' to '#2'. The expectation and pressure on him will already be extreme, let's not put EVERYTHING on him.

by Kyli on Dec 22, 2004 8:03 PM PST reply actions

Zito/Politics

I SO agree with Athletics Fan and Runner's post of not wanting to know players' political views (especially given that the average MLB player is a wealthy white male, without a college degree, from the middle of the country).

Suffice it say that if Zito indeed voted for B***, then I must amend an earlier post of mine: the hanging changeup was not his biggest mistake last year.

Nico

by Nico on Dec 22, 2004 8:15 PM PST reply actions

Zito, Say It Ain't So!

Damn. I hope that it's not true that he's a friggin republican. It's well known that being a friggin republican costs you serious kharma (and ends up screwing all but the rich, rewards the preemptive war mongers, the perverse religious right, the tree haters, etc). the loss of good kharma results in long foul balls staying fair and costing you the lead, and it moves the thin line between success and failure in the wrong direction.

if he is republican, it sure explains alot of his recent results. one can only hope that he is open minded enough, smart enough, caring enough, to change his evil ways.

by danh on Dec 22, 2004 9:06 PM PST reply actions

Of course Zito's Rebpublican

He's from So Cal like the OC or San Diego, both bastions of Republicanism.

It's like of course a lot of us are Democrats, we're from the Bay Area, the bluest part of the bluest state.

"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Spaceballs

by secret ASian man on Dec 22, 2004 10:01 PM PST up reply actions

You're In the Most Liberal Area of the Country

Not Just the State. The rest of the country outside of the Bay Area voted for Bush. You Liberals are in the minority in your thinking. Had the media played fair, Bush would have won in a landslide.

by Misfit on Dec 23, 2004 6:04 AM PST up reply actions

Lay off the 'roids dude...

I'm trying to be impartial here. Don't sound off any of your "conservative rage" on me.

"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Spaceballs

by secret ASian man on Dec 23, 2004 6:34 PM PST up reply actions

I don't want to know.

Ignorance is bliss. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I don't want to know...

by kaweahkaweah on Dec 23, 2004 7:50 AM PST up reply actions

Byrnes

I heard that it was Byrnes who voted for Bush. Zito too? Yikes.

by boatshoes on Dec 22, 2004 10:26 PM PST reply actions

NOOOOOOOOOOO

I can't say that I am suprised but it still stings.
Are there any democrats or better yet any greens in baseball????
I must say, my experience in the world of sport is very conservative. All that time workiing on one's body and performance leaves little time for looking for an 'outside the box'understanding of the world.

by Athletics fan and runner on Dec 23, 2004 5:25 AM PST up reply actions

when it comes to baseball

I don't care who the players -- or the fans -- voted for.

(in the rest of my life of course I care)

by OaklandSi on Dec 23, 2004 6:54 AM PST up reply actions

Carlos Delgado

Last season, Delgado would sit in the dugout during Commissar Selig's Mandatory Loyalty Test of playing God Bless America at the 7th-inning stretch. He specifically stated, when questioned about it, that it was his means of protesting against the war in Iraq.

by monkeyball on Dec 23, 2004 7:29 AM PST up reply actions

God Bless Carlos Delgado

Delgado has serious political commitments, and I admire him tremendously for his activism. Protesting the militarization of the 7th inning stretch isn't the first thing he's done. Read this article to see what Delgado has to say about his God Bless America protest, and also about his work to stop the US Military's decades of bombing the Puerto Rican island of Vieques with live ammo for target practice.

Delgado and Adonal Foyle seem to be the 2 most clued-in athletes around. Are there any others?

by Nick on Dec 23, 2004 8:13 AM PST up reply actions

Imagine that...

Baseball players 'earning' all that money, and actually wanting to keep it for themselves. Novel thought.

Let's Go Oak-Land!

by Colorado Fan on Dec 23, 2004 9:13 AM PST up reply actions

Adonal rocks

I ran into Adonal Foyle a couple years ago at the gym near the Warriors' hq. We had a fascinating chat about Harry Belafonte and Paul Robeson.

by monkeyball on Dec 23, 2004 5:30 PM PST up reply actions

Why It's Best To Steer Clear of Politics...!

From Misfit's comments (or should I say, comment's), it seems that...

1. If people with a vested interest in electing your opponent make unsubstantiated claims, you are a "war fraud."

2. If you claim a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda, go to war on that premise, then change your tune when you're called on it, your opponent is a flip-flopper.

3. The media, largely owned by ClearChannel et. al., and totally disinterested in overwhelming statistical evidence that the election was fraudulently won, is liberal.

Gosh, I can't WAIT to hear any thoughts on the A's rotation--surely 'twill be a reasoned, fact-based analysis. Whoops, can't chat: someone's trying to die with dignity in Oregon, gotta go stop them!

Sorry; had to vent; won't do it again. God bless America, whenever we get it back. We need baseball like never before. Go A's!

Nico

by Nico on Dec 23, 2004 9:54 AM PST reply actions

Forging

Forging Purple Heart Applications to receive medals of Honor is fraudulant. Having 2 doctors kick your sorry ass out of their offices and laughing while they were doing it is fraudulant, because your reasoning for receiving a Purple Heart is fraudulant. Getting discharged from the Army 7 years after you served is fraudulant. Oh yeah, and making up stories about the war, about acts of horror, and leaving the POW's over their to be torchured even worse because of Kerry's comments is called being a Ratt Fucker.

You Liberals leave the Bush bashing alone. I'll leave the War Fraud alone. Face it, you lost. Lose with some dignity.

by Misfit on Dec 23, 2004 10:55 AM PST up reply actions

Dignity

went out the window long ago in this discussion. The great thing about this country, Misfit, is that people can intelligently disagree and debate without resorting to name-calling and belittling other's points of view.

Back to the point of this thread, I think you have to give Zito the start, if for no other reason than to establish him as the leader he's become. I'm pretty excited to see the new rotation in action....April seems so very far away....

by LD on Dec 23, 2004 11:23 AM PST up reply actions

Those Swift Boat ads were really good ...

"I wasn't there - but I didn't see what Kerry did to deserve his medals."

"I didn't examine him - but I didn't see any evidence of him having wounds to deserve a Purple Heart."

I know I'm sold.

Relax alright don't try to strike everyone out. Strikeouts are boring besides that they're fascist. Throw some ground balls it's more democratic.

by devo on Dec 23, 2004 11:41 AM PST up reply actions

Vote>>>>Howard Dean 2008

I have not yet found a better website

by paul75 on Dec 23, 2004 11:40 AM PST reply actions

Is he running again???!

by everythinguknowiswrong on Dec 23, 2004 11:42 AM PST up reply actions

Orange County...

...used to be Republican territory, but it isn't really anymore. Just for the record.

Baseball players are all male, mostly white, mostly suburban, mostly wealthy. That's not a demographic Democrats usually do too well in. So I try not to think of their politics too much.

And I count our blessings for someone like Carlos Delgado, who is, I think, a true American hero. Wouldn't it be great if Boros somehow prices him out of the market and we can get him here on the cheap for a year? Now that would get me excited about next year.

by jrbh on Dec 23, 2004 11:45 AM PST reply actions

Since this is an open thread...

I'd like to mention of all of my A's Bobbleheads, Zito is the only one I have that still plays with the A's.

"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." - Spaceballs

by secret ASian man on Dec 23, 2004 11:48 PM PST reply actions

My vote in 2008

Ill have just turned 18. Rudy Giuliani. I hope to god he runs in 08 and keeps this country sane. I bet a lot of people here probably hate Michael Savage, just cuz most democrats and radical liberals do. I like him though, and when i was in the US, i would listen to him all the time. Even most of the analysts admit that Kerry was just not a good candidate, and the democrats didn't have anything better. Bush has faith, and he has a belief and he's willing to stick by it. And after what happened to us on 9/11, he was couragenous to act and go to everywhere to stop these mother fucking psychos. we are in Iraq, because Bush finally decided to clean out those douches. I am personally familiar with the situation out here, because I'm Israeli. My country is full of terrorist dickfaces blowing themselves up for a "cause". Apparently their ause is to convert everyone to islam, as every ongoing conflict in the world has to do with muslims fighting with their neighbors. Bush realized that the world is a better place without these people, and it is fantastic that he still stands by that feeling. Those people do not deserve to be on the earth. While were at it, why all this stuff about being good christians? America is full of not only that but Jews and muslims (the non death loving ones). I guess there are only a few jews on this site....

Go a's 05
Go Rudy 08

Beanetown Baby

by ohad on Dec 24, 2004 2:49 PM PST reply actions

once again

I participate in this site because of my love for baseball in general and for the A's in particular. I reserve my politics for other places. I respectfully request that people refrain from sharing their political preferences here.

by OaklandSi on Dec 27, 2004 6:17 AM PST up reply actions

Rudy Giuliani...

...favors abortion rights, gay rights, and affirmative action. His probability of getting the Republican nomination: 0%.

Barry Zito is a straight, white male who makes $3 million a year. His probability of being a Republican: 95%.

Oh, and Zito should start on Opening Day, not because he's the A's best pitcher (Harden is), but because he needs to be seen as the leader of the staff, and Harden doesn't need the additional pressure.

by boilerdan on Dec 29, 2004 7:07 AM PST reply actions