Thinking WAY outside the box
What if Beane is downsizing the rotation?
I'm really stunned by the Mulder trade. Not angry, not hurt, just completely surprised. When I logged on it was about the last thing I thought I'd read.
I fully admit now that I probably have no idea what Beane is cooking up. But given that the unbelievable has already taken place over the last few days, I'm going to float some irresponsible speculation, because it's more likely to be true than anything reasonable.
We've all been discussing the new Moneyball market inefficiency scheme. And it's obvious that the market for starting pitching is just exploding. I think Beane realizes that it's virtually impossible for the A's to compete in the open market for even decent starters in today's environment.
So here's the speculation: what if trading 2 of the Big 3, acquiring a bullpen full of relievers, and talking up Street and Garcia means that the A's are planning on converting to a 4-man rotation next year? Here would be the justifications:
- As Earl Weaver said, it's easier to find 4 good pitchers than to find 5. It's also a hell of a lot cheaper. You cut the cost of your rotation by probably 12-15% of the starters' payroll in one fell swoop.
- The A's now have a lot of talented relievers: Cruz, Calero, Dotel (for now), Street and Garcia waiting in the wings, Duke for long relief. There's speculation that they'll move Byrnes and Bradford to SD for Payton and Otsuka. That's a hell of a lot of potential quality bullpen innings.
- The 5th starter is useless in the postseason. It's very hard for a limited budget team to invest precious resources in a player who plays an important role during the regular season and then becomes totally irrelevant in the postseason.
- The 4-man requires healthy starters -- and guess what Beane has done: he's traded the two guys who've been hurt every year and kept the one guy, Zito, who's been healthy. One way to keep the starters healthy, of course, is to give them somewhat shorter outings. Last year's bullpen was completely incapable of giving that kind of support to the starters. The 2005 and 2006 bullpen is shaping up to be a different story.
- Now, I'm really reaching here, but Beane might also be seeing the BALCO revelations as a watershed in how baseball is played. If you assume that (a) a pretty significant number of hitters are bulking up with steroids, and (b) a new testing regime will significantly reduce the number of players who use steroids, then (c) we might be on the verge of an end to the Dinger Era. And the more we return to lighter hitting lineups, the less stress a starter faces in each start. One of the reasons that pitchers used to be able to throw 300 innings a season was that hitters weren't as good (and ballparks were bigger, and bats were heavier, but I'll leave that for a different discussion). Even when you were facing, say, the 1983 AL West Champion White Sox, who won the division by 20 games, you got to face the Jerry Dybzinski-Vance Law-Mike Squires-Julio Cruz part of the order (I checked, those guys were starters at their positions), and that didn't exactly make your starter work his hardest. And the White Sox led the Major Leagues in runs scored that year. These days, everyone hits homers and pitchers always have to bear down. Beane might see this beginning to change, thus lightening the burden on the starters and making the 4-man a realistic plan again. It also might explain our suspicious lack of a 40-HR guy in the lineup...
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yeah that works!!!
by everythinguknowiswrong on Dec 18, 2004 6:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
clever thinking
i'm just haunted by all the blown saves of last season, and it's scary to think of the bullpen pitching so many innings...
however, considering that Billy Beane has converted to a younger rotation, it's quite possible that your theory will pan out...
by high street on Dec 18, 2004 6:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting
Just off the top of my head, my first reaction (aside from the identical just-logged-on-and-WTF?!? initial reaction you had) is that one of the stronger theories about impact of innings/pitches thrown is that high-stress pitches (i.e., those pitches that are thrown in high-stress situations, especially late in a ballgame after the pitcher has already thrown 75 or so pitches) are more damaging in the medium and long-term.
Obviously, I don't have the numbers to run, but I would hazard a guess that the no. 1 guy on the A's the last two years in such high-stress pitches would be ... Zito. Lots of pitches thrown. Lots of baserunners, especially the second and third time through the batting order.
Not necessarily the guy you'd build a 4-man rotation around, I would think.
Now, I do think that (and this is presuming we even hang onto Zito; at this point, who knows) that if there was one of the Three to hang onto long-term, it's Zito. He's healthier than Mulder and Huddy, he's probably a better natural athlete, he's got a much smoother and lower-impact delivery, and he's (all "head case" talk aside) more even-keeled and psychologically prepared to take care of himself over a longer career.
But that's for another thread. Meanwhile, I gotta think about your idea some more.
by monkeyball on Dec 18, 2004 6:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zito stays
Of course, the day's not done yet.
by grover on Dec 18, 2004 6:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
100% agree on 4-man rotation
by SA on Dec 18, 2004 7:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My one question is...
by Trocmagic on Dec 18, 2004 7:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was just thinking about that
On the other hand, I'm not sure there's evidence that the 4 man, per se, is more dangerous than the 5 man. The key is bullpen support, which was completely absent last year and looks like it'll be a strength this year. Macha and Young could say to Meyer and Blanton and Haren, "Look, just give me 105 pitches, 6 good innings, and the pen will take it from there." I don't think that's too much pressure to put on young pitchers.
by Nick on Dec 18, 2004 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4-man rotation was an AN topic in early November
thanks for bringing it up again, it's particularly interesting after losing two of our big 3 in just a couple of days.
by OaklandSi on Dec 18, 2004 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember Billy Ball?
Very interesting post. I remember the comments twenty years ago when Billy Martin overlaoded some young arms to gain big success for the A's, and evryone harped on how it hurt their careers.
Shoot! If they're only going to be with you 4-5 years, why not use them up? Even if they start to show signs of wear and tear, they still have significant value -- that's been shown clearly in the past few days.
Just a thought.....
by dingerpower on Dec 18, 2004 11:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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