AN! Do not give up on the 2005 season!
(Lately Peter Gammons has been saying, more or less, that Billy Beane is going to tank 2005 as a rebuilding year and shoot for 2006. I don't buy it. I think too many in AN are getting caught up in the negative feeling: trade Zito, trade Hudson, trade Durazo, get prospects, maybe we can be good again some day. I was writing the following as a comment on ohad's diary about Gammons' remarks on ESPN, agreeing with monkeyball's observation that every year is a retooling year for the A's, but my comment metastasized to where it needed its own diary entry.)

The A's "re-tool" every year. It's important to understand that "re-tool" does not necessarily mean "dismantle" (although sometimes it does). Some teams, like the Indians a few years ago, or the Mariners in 2004, hit the wall because too many people got old and/or expensive at the same time, and have no rational choice but to tear down the mess and start over. Beane, on the other hand, has been remarkably good at retooling on the fly, balancing outgoing talent with incoming talent without any "collapse" seasons. Damn difficult, especially given the onerous budgetary constraints, but he's done it very well. There is no reason to expect either the intentions or the results to be very different in 2005.
I saw the Gammons bit on Sportscenter, too, and not only does does seem insistent in recent weeks that the A's are going to have a down year in 2005, but he implies further that they are going to almost deliberately scrap the 2005 season as a necessary sacrifice on the road to better things in 2006 and beyond. A lot of ANers seem to be endorsing this defeatist notion. Bullshit!
Mychael Urban quotes Beane as saying, "We expect to contend for a division championship in 2005 no matter what happens this winter. That is, and will always be, the goal here." That's pretty damned emphatic, isn't it? Believe him! If 2005 is a bad year, it won't be by design, it won't be a deliberate write-off. Beane may not always give away his innermost thoughts, but there's no evidence that he flat-out lies about his intentions. And EVERYTHING in his record indicates that he is as loath to write off the present in favor of the future as he is to sacrifice the future to the present.
Beane famously said of his first playoff team (in 2000) that it would be the worst team the A's would field in the next several years. Sure enough, in 2001 and 2002 the A's fielded great teams that gave Oakland an outstanding chance of grabbing a championship, although that unfortunately did not happen. In 2003 it was still a very good team, and in 2004 a somewhat less good team, but still good enough to have a reasonable shot at the whole shebang with good health and a few breaks. In 2005 we should have another good team, one that could win it all if things break right (or, admittedly, win 80 games if all the breaks are bad ones).
Now the kernel of truth in what Gammons says is that 2004-2005 may in fact represent a low point in the A's talent cycle, with 2006 and 2007 having the possibility of a surge back to 2001-2002 levels. But it isn't necessary to accept Gammons' conclusion that the bottom of the cycle (if 2005 is the bottom) must be the kind of ugly year usually associated with the term "rebuilding year." Beane's balancing act means that even the transition year offers the team and the fans a shot at all the marbles if things go well.
And another thing: after 2003 the A's lost both Tejada and Foulke, two superior performers, high-level All-Stars. They still won 91 games. After this season the best player they are losing is Jermaine Dye, whom age and injuries have reduced to a merely average player. A bunch of pitchers had subpar years and can expect some rebound. And over 2004-2005, the influx of talent (Swisher, Johnson, Street, Garcia, Blanton) for once outweighs the outflow.
So buck up, AN! It's more than 3 months till the start of spring training--a little early to be giving up on 2005, don't you think? Forget Peter Gammons. The A's have both the intention and the ability to be competitive in 2005. They won't have as good a shot at grabbing the brass ring as the Red Sox will, or the Yankees, or as good a shot as the 2001 A's had, and maybe not as good a shot as the 2007 A's will have, but they'll have a respectable shot. More than most teams, by far, and better than some teams (e.g. the 2002 Angels, the 2003 Marlins) that have actually gone all the way. How much more can you ask for?
And you know what? Even if they do have an off year, they'll still have a shot--probably a better shot--in 2006, and again in 2007. There's enough talent coming up, and the management is in good enough hands (Schott notwithstanding), that the A's could remain competitive if they lost all three of the big three, painful as that would be (and I'm sure they'll hang onto at least two of them for next year and I hope to retain at least one long-term). We have a small-market team, but we're lucky: we have the most special of such teams. Hope is not irrational. Do not be overly influenced by yammerers on ESPN or the sour ending of the recent season. Sure, it's an uphill battle for the small-market, disrespected Oakland A's, but victory, when it comes, is sweeter for David than for Goliath, don't you think?
Keep the faith.
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hehe
by GreenNGoldGirl on Nov 13, 2004 8:10 PM PST 0 recs
speaking of 05
by GreenNGoldGirl on Nov 13, 2004 8:20 PM PST 0 recs
wait.....
by GreenNGoldGirl on Nov 13, 2004 8:21 PM PST 0 recs
finally
by ucla kid on Nov 13, 2004 9:31 PM PST 0 recs
Totally agree! Beane's methodology ...
Beane's 5-year plan must be impressive, I got the impression by the things Chavez said after his signing that he got a peek.
by A s Eh on Nov 13, 2004 10:11 PM PST 0 recs
are the winless Warriors
by rook on
Nov 14, 2004 9:33 AM PST
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Well Said
Beane's statement that they expect to contend doesn't mean a whole lot by itself - every GM says something like that every offseason. But if you look at the position the team is in, it simply wouldn't make sense to try to "rebuild" this year. They are in good position to contend for at least two more years with just the players currently under their control. In the longer term, the 2004 draft was rated highly even by those who don't normally like the "moneyball" approach. The main uncertainty is starting pitching; I don't know of anyone in the organization after Blanton who is considered a hot pitching prospect. But getting good young starters for 2007 isn't a problem that they are likely to solve right now - especially not by trading Hudson.
by andeux on Nov 13, 2004 10:21 PM PST 0 recs
You're right about the re-tooling...
To sum it up, I think that the 2005 team will not be bad, but it will be the worst A's tema of the NEXT five years.
by jmoney on Nov 14, 2004 12:01 AM PST 0 recs
Thank You Faust!
Don't count on Blanton to adequately replace any of the Big 3 in 2005. The A's will keep all three for 2005 because they need them to contend.
by OaklandSi on Nov 14, 2004 4:58 AM PST 0 recs
Channelling jrbh
However, I myself (and I suspect jrbh may agree) am studiously ignoring any and all off-season pronouncements by Beane. He's either mouthing boilerplate platitudes or sowing disinformation to "game" other GMs. (Not that there's anything wrong with either of those practices.)
I do think that if Anaheim and/or Texas make serious pitching upgrades for '06, we will have a very difficult time making the playoffs. We will still be competitive, but it's gonna be an uphill slog.
This is where the "Evil Empire West" scenario starts to really hurt us. The Yankees-Sox spending nexus hasn't really affected us (aside from putting a bit of extra pressure on the wild-card race), since the obvious weaknesses of the other teams in the West gave us clear opportunities to compete for the division title. With Anaheim ratcheting up their spending, and Texas digging themselves out from their A-Rod-and-Chan-Ho-hole, the bar is being raised.
by monkeyball on Nov 14, 2004 8:01 AM PST 0 recs
Which is why at all costs
The only positive is that guillen is going, and jeff davanon can't make up all those RBI's and that defense. And we really need Dallas McPherson to be a bust, along with jeff mathis next year. But we can't count on that. What we need to do is try and make ourselves better, instead of making the angels worse (with the exception of getting Randy somewhere else). We are gonna have to start trading some of our best prospects in order to keep up with the angels. Not strip our farm bear, we can still field agriculture, but we need to be able to acquire those big guys sometimes. And we need to start doing that. Starting this offseason.
by ohad on Nov 14, 2004 9:51 AM PST 0 recs
Naked ursine agriculturalists?
by monkeyball on
Nov 14, 2004 10:38 AM PST
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I hope that
by Faust on
Nov 14, 2004 11:36 AM PST
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Actually
by monkeyball on
Nov 14, 2004 11:40 AM PST
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Thanks for the kind words, everyone
by Faust on Nov 14, 2004 10:09 AM PST 0 recs
Well put
The other thing to keep in mind is that as Anaheim is apparently about to enter the realm of the win-at-all-costs crowd, by overpaying for top-tier talent they may (a) miss other cheaper and more productive alternatives and (b) create a valuation imbalance in the market which Beane can exploit.
And, as great as Johnson is and most likely will be in '05, he becomes riskier and riskier every year. Anaheim is potentially building itself up for a massive collapse in '06 and beyond. (And I have a sneaking suspicion that we may see a Yankees collapse in '05.)
by monkeyball on
Nov 14, 2004 10:45 AM PST
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I'd LOVE to see those collapses, but...
As for the Yankees, they had a ton of things go wrong last year and still finished first. It's almost impossible to spend $200 million and suck outright. Even if everyone underperforms, it just means they win 95 games instead of 112. George has almost eliminated the element of chance from the regular season; fortunately he can't do the same for the postseason.
by Faust on
Nov 14, 2004 12:00 PM PST
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Yes, but ...
The Angels do indeed have some ugly commitments coming off the books. But they've got still got some big ones that by '06 will start to smell: Colon, Vlad, Anderson, Erstad. (I still think Vlad is going to at some point mid-season explode into his component parts. He's a great athlete, but he doesn't move like one.) And if they do get Pedro and/or Der Grosse Unit and/or The Guy The A's Didn't Get In A Trade Last Year (aka Beltran) and/or Mr. Mia Hamm then they're committing huge amounts of cash with significant catastrophe potential.
As for the Yankees, I don't want to minimize your point (because it's a very good one) but I can honestly see the Yankees missing the playoffs next year. And that, to Steinbrenner and the fans (and the media), would be a disastrous collapse. In fact, following your argument that Steinbrenner/Cashman is trying to minimize the role of chance in the regular season, if the Yankees were to miss the playoffs, it might be as great a "real" collapse as it would be perceived by their fan-base.
by monkeyball on
Nov 14, 2004 12:39 PM PST
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We can also hope
And if the Yanks do as you hope and miss the playoffs, it will be sweet for the A's, as it will probably take two teams kicking butt in the West to keep the Yanks out the the wild card.
by Faust on
Nov 14, 2004 1:01 PM PST
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On second thought ...
So, in addition to the Yankees collapsing, we need Toronto to keep developing, Baltimore to improve incrementally, and for Seattle to still suck and/or Texas to fall back.
by monkeyball on
Nov 14, 2004 1:09 PM PST
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You know monkeyball
by ohad on Nov 14, 2004 10:57 AM PST 0 recs
Farm Bear
As everyone knows, they went through a very long fallow period before the "Torre Era," during which time they developed their current aging nucleus of Williams, Jeter, Posada, and Rivera.
Then Big Stein decided that he wanted to get back into meddling in the baseball operations side. (I think that also coincided with Steinbrenner's coming off a couple of MLB suspensions. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
My point is: let this be a lesson to anyone who wants a rich, crazy, megalomaniacal control freak like Larry Ellison to be associated in any way with the A's ownership group.
by monkeyball on
Nov 14, 2004 11:15 AM PST
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lol
by ohad on
Nov 14, 2004 11:27 AM PST
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Thank you!
It's all about unleashing one's Inner Monkey.
Or Inner Farm Bear, if you prefer!
by monkeyball on
Nov 14, 2004 11:37 AM PST
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JK about everything but the.....
by ohad on Nov 14, 2004 10:57 AM PST 0 recs
How do we keep going when
by animal on Nov 14, 2004 11:51 AM PST 0 recs
We keep going because...
As for the Rangers, it appears a lot the same as when they spent all that money on Chan Ho-- none of the pitchers available clearly give off that dominant air, and I can see them easily giving another 10 million to a Pavano, Lowe or Ortiz that turns out to burn them for the next four years. Maybe not as severely as the Chan Ho case, but no pitcher on the market this year really deserves the amount of money they'll likely get for being, well, the best available.
Meanwhile, we have a good team that's one game away from making the playoffs last year, returning much the same core, our farm system has some decent talent coming out, and if we can land a smart FA signing, we'll be set to be right up there with them.
by Trocmagic on Nov 14, 2004 2:39 PM PST 0 recs
imagine
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